He's Just a Tired Dad, Trying To Make It Home For Christmas
September 13, 2021 10:45 AM   Subscribe

 
Bro.
posted by feckless at 10:52 AM on September 13 [20 favorites]


ROGERS: THE MUSICAL is all we really care about.

And Pizza Dog.
posted by emjaybee at 10:54 AM on September 13 [26 favorites]


I am HERE for a Marvel Christmas movie.
posted by cooker girl at 10:55 AM on September 13 [2 favorites]


And finally Hawkeye get a solid space at MCU. Hope it will be a good show as Loki.
posted by Vigourguide at 11:00 AM on September 13 [4 favorites]


Given how little I cared about Wanda prior to WandaVision and how much I care about her now, I'm willing to allow for the possibility that lightning could strike twice. He's got the Matt Fraction hearing aids, so that's already a step in the right direction.

Also ROGERS: THE MUSICAL, holy shit.
posted by merriment at 11:04 AM on September 13 [11 favorites]


Kate Kate Katie-Kate omg
posted by dinty_moore at 11:10 AM on September 13 [4 favorites]


If we don't get a full episode of Lucky the Pizza Dog told from his/her perspective then this whole series was a waste of time.
posted by KingEdRa at 11:13 AM on September 13 [27 favorites]


So basically we're getting Hawkeye Alone 2: Lost in New York
posted by oulipian at 11:17 AM on September 13 [5 favorites]


this looks weird but I'm OK with that because comics are weird but I doubt it'll be truly weird enough
posted by alex_skazat at 11:28 AM on September 13 [4 favorites]


Tracksuit Draculas.
posted by kaiseki at 11:37 AM on September 13 [11 favorites]


Probably this is just preaching to the choir, but this show will be influenced by the Matt Fraction run of Hawkeye, which is super good, even if you're not into superheroes (maybe especially if you're not into superheroes.) Really good, funny writing, super good visuals. I highly recommend it, along with basically everything Fraction writes. (Maybe I should do a post on Fraction, because he's consistently one of the most fun writers in comics today. His books remind me of what it was like to read comics as a kid. It was fun.)
posted by nushustu at 11:46 AM on September 13 [27 favorites]


I'm so excited. I love the Fraction run (and have heard good things about the Iron Fist run he did, which may go a ways towards making me forget about the tv show.) But ALSO I do like the MCU Hawkeye, so woohoo on two fronts.
posted by PussKillian at 11:54 AM on September 13 [4 favorites]


I swear to god, every time I see Renner pop-up as Hawkeye, my mind immediately goes "OMG, Nathan Fillion has a new gig!"
posted by Thorzdad at 11:57 AM on September 13 [6 favorites]


That's such a banger of a Christmas song, I'm surprised it took this long for it to be used in an action movie (er... series) trailer.
posted by AlonzoMosleyFBI at 11:58 AM on September 13 [1 favorite]


I wish they'd recast Renner after it came out that he pulled a gun on his wife, but I guess Marvel couldn't find another actor who fits the requirements of being a basic white man with no particular personality to speak of.

Still, Kate looks awesome and I can't wait to see Echo kick some ass.
posted by fight or flight at 12:03 PM on September 13 [18 favorites]


Well, that sold me and I am not even into Hawkeye. Looks like wacky holiday fun!
posted by jenfullmoon at 12:07 PM on September 13 [1 favorite]


I have long held that you could take Renner in most films, replace him with a ficus, and you'd have much the same performance. But damned if I didn't like him in this brief trailer.

Feels like a Shane Black influence, as well.

Was also incredibly tempted to leave work today and just read Hawkguy. And my other favorite Fraction title The Annotated Mantooth about a gorilla superspy who pilots a giant robot named "World's Greatest Grandpa."
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 12:23 PM on September 13 [6 favorites]


I don't like Jeremy Renner (in anything), and certainly thought Hawkeye in the Avengers movies was more than useless, they killed Black Widow for that dude?

Trailer didn't fix this, pass.
posted by WaterAndPixels at 12:26 PM on September 13 [4 favorites]


I do like Jeremy Renner in quite a bit. But not convinced about his comedy chops.
posted by biffa at 12:47 PM on September 13 [1 favorite]


I really don't care for his Hawkeye, not just because of Renner but he was conceptualized for the MCU during the Whedon years and unfortunately since i don't care for AoU especially...

But gdi, a soft reboot with the Matt Fraction run's sensibilities... I'm cautiously excited. Can't believe i watched the trailer twice not only for Kate but also to spot the hearing aids.
posted by cendawanita at 1:01 PM on September 13 [3 favorites]


I actually first encountered Renner in the very good and very short-lived show The Unusuals, which was in the dramedy strain of things. (Well actually I probably saw him on Angel first, but that was a bit part.) It looks like it may be on Youtube so I might do a rewatch.

I think he's a pretty good actor, anyway.
posted by PussKillian at 1:45 PM on September 13 [4 favorites]


the very good and very short-lived show The Unusuals

Man, I'd forgotten about that. It was a good show.

That said, I'm kind of over Renner bcz he's shown himself to be a jerk. And in the MCU Hawkeye is pretty much a villain who they gave a pass because he has a family (?!). (Yes I'm still angry about Natasha, who didn't even get a fucking funeral.)

But I dunno: I love Hailee Steinfeld, and it even has Pizza Dog! ARGH. So indecisive.
posted by suelac at 1:50 PM on September 13 [5 favorites]


feckless: "Bro."

What you say, bro?
posted by signal at 2:01 PM on September 13 [5 favorites]


A big part of the Fraction Hawkguy us that he's kind of a crap superhero, so it makes sense that he's portrayed as kind of crap here, as well. Many of us speak of Kate as 'the good Hawkeye', or just 'Hawkeye' (like Laura is just 'Wolverine').
posted by signal at 2:04 PM on September 13 [2 favorites]


Looking forward to next year when all the politics posts will have Rogers The Musical references.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 2:05 PM on September 13 [2 favorites]


So it's very Shane Black but doesn't seem to have Shane Black?
posted by GCU Sweet and Full of Grace at 2:06 PM on September 13 [1 favorite]


Yeah, and I also object to the Iron Man III generalized erasure! That was a good movie.
posted by PussKillian at 2:16 PM on September 13 [4 favorites]


Ah, yes, the family holiday season. I'll be home soon, hon, just gonna spend two hours with this hot young woman first. For the family!
posted by zardoz at 2:16 PM on September 13 [3 favorites]


He's got the Matt Fraction hearing aids

Matt Fraction's Hawkeye series is very well-crafted, but I wanted to note that Hawkeye's hearing aids first appeared in Mark Gruenwald's 1983 miniseries. He loses his hearing after hiding a sonic arrowhead in his mouth to jam a mind-control signal; his hearing aids were given to him by his romantic partner, Mockingbird.

I really also enjoyed Hawkeye's roles in Kurt Busiek's Avengers, Avengers Forever and as the second leader of the Thunderbolts.

Looking forward to watching the show!
posted by JDC8 at 3:04 PM on September 13 [9 favorites]


just gonna spend two hours with this hot young woman first.

My biggest fear is that they try to up the create some sexual tension b/t Clint and Kate.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 3:36 PM on September 13 [6 favorites]


feckless: "Bro."

What you say, bro?


Seriously, bro.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 4:15 PM on September 13 [3 favorites]


I really don't envy any writer who tries to reconcile family-down-on-the-farm MCU Clint with urban comics Clint. That's one of those mash-ups that doesn't seem to really work in my head. The MCU family guy version always felt wrong to me. Plus, I missed Bobbi. Hunter always seemed like a weak stand-in for Clint on SHIELD.
posted by sardonyx at 4:33 PM on September 13 [6 favorites]


sardonyx: "Hunter always seemed like a weak stand-in for Clint on SHIELD."

Especially since SHIELD Bobby was very well cast.
posted by signal at 4:57 PM on September 13 [6 favorites]


MOAR GRIMDARK LESS JEBUSCONSUMERMASS PLZ
posted by lalochezia at 5:16 PM on September 13 [1 favorite]


I'm going into this assuming this is Renner's last dance (for various reasons mentioned in this thread), and they are setting up Steinfeld as the Hawkeye to follow.
(At least one of the promo bits on Disney+ has Renner saying, 'My part here is to show her the ropes in the MCU.')
And I am fine with that.
(Steinfeld and Pugh team up..... it's not impossible, as Florence Pugh is in the imdb cast list for this.)
I did like the molotov-cocktail catch.
posted by Mutant Lobsters from Riverhead at 5:23 PM on September 13 [2 favorites]


they are setting up Steinfeld as the Hawkeye to follow

I misread this and momentarily imagined Jerry Seinfeld shooting supervillains full of arrows while cracking jokes about how you're better off being the one in the casket than the one giving the eulogy anyway
posted by oulipian at 6:27 PM on September 13 [2 favorites]


Steinfeld: So what's the deal with Thanos's Snap anyway? Did you ever notice how half the people you know disappeared, but it wasn't the half you wanted to disappear.

<bass riff>
posted by logicpunk at 7:57 PM on September 13 [16 favorites]


feckless: "Bro."

What you say, bro?

Seriously, bro.


bro, seriously?
posted by MrBadExample at 9:45 PM on September 13 [4 favorites]


Steinfeld: So what's the deal with Thanos's Snap anyway? Did you ever notice how half the people you know disappeared, but it wasn't the half you wanted to disappear.

It would explain where Lomez, Jerry’s cousin Jeffrey, and Bob Sacamano are.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 10:08 PM on September 13 [1 favorite]


At one point Jeremy Renner was poised to take over both the Mission: Impossible and Bourne series, but that didn't pan out.
posted by kirkaracha at 10:38 PM on September 13 [1 favorite]


feckless: "Bro."

What you say, bro?

Seriously, bro.

bro, seriously?


bro, bring it, bro
posted by alchemist at 6:31 AM on September 14 [2 favorites]


Okay, I have no idea what the significance of the dog is. And I didn't hear anybody say "bro," so I'm assuming there's some other obscure clue that indicates to those in the know that there are people who talk like the hockey players from Letterkenny. But this looks like good fun, so I'll give it a shot at getting the sour taste of (most of) What If...? out of my mouth.
posted by Naberius at 6:43 AM on September 14 [1 favorite]


At one point Jeremy Renner was poised to take over both the Mission: Impossible and Bourne series, but that didn't pan out.

From the linked article:
Renner did reprise Brandt in 2015's Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation, but he was still very much in a supporting role as Cruise wowed audiences by hanging on to airplanes and speeding along on a motorcycle.
Maybe I live a life that would wow audiences if put onscreen, but let me just say I have done one of these two death-defying stunts many times. Sorry if this is humblebragging.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 6:48 AM on September 14 [2 favorites]


Naberius: "And I didn't hear anybody say "bro,""

Blink and you'll miss it, bro.
posted by chavenet at 6:51 AM on September 14 [3 favorites]


The movie looks like it's a lot of fun. I just wish anyone but Disney had made it.

Anything Disney turns me off. I can't be alone in feeling that?
posted by james33 at 9:00 AM on September 14 [1 favorite]


What's up with the terrible 90s Photoshop style Hawkeye font/logo? Wow that's bad.
posted by Liquidwolf at 9:01 AM on September 14 [1 favorite]


That's right from the comic book.
posted by PussKillian at 9:06 AM on September 14 [4 favorites]


Anything Disney turns me off. I can't be alone in feeling that?

Not alone, certainly, but quite possibly in a minority. I grew up in the seventies and eighties when “Disney” signified anodyne children’s entertainment. Bedknobs and Broomsticks, Herbie Goes Bananas, and The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes. As well, there was the animation side of it, which even as a kid I paid no heed to: Mickey Mouse was about 12% as interesting a protagonist as Bugs Bunny. I honestly cannot recall much of they were doing in animation at that time, and I associated it mostly with periodic theatrical rereleases (in the pre-home video age) of things like Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. (Actually, now that I think of it, even into the era of home video: I saw the aforementioned Snow White in a cinema in Yorkton, Saskatchewan in the summer of 1993.)

The modern era is shifting away from that to some degree. The acquisition of things like Star Wars and Marvel and the Fox catalogue has changed what they can offer. They still play it safer than many of us would prefer, but as someone pointed out, while the MCU has a middling ceiling for quality it has a pretty high floor too. The Disney+ series — of which Hawkeye is one — have mostly been pretty solid. I gather that What If...? stands there lowest in general enthusiasm among viewers, but this seems to me more that it is very uneven and still in early days. I am willing to give it a chance.

Anyway, while Hawkeye is not the most-anticipated entertainment of the year for me (or even the most-anticipated MCU release of 2021), I’m happy to have a look at it when it arrives. It focusses on a character long underserved in the setting and seems to be setting up a passing of a torch to a better character with a more charismatic and less problematic performer. What’s not to like?
posted by ricochet biscuit at 9:39 AM on September 14 [3 favorites]


Sorry, Dwarfs. “Dwarves” is Tolkien. (Missed the edit window.)
posted by ricochet biscuit at 9:45 AM on September 14 [1 favorite]


Okay, I have no idea what the significance of the dog is. And I didn't hear anybody say "bro," so I'm assuming there's some other obscure clue that indicates to those in the know that there are people who talk like the hockey players from Letterkenny. But this looks like good fun, so I'll give it a shot at getting the sour taste of (most of) What If...? out of my mouth.

The beloved Matt Fraction run on Hawkeye (mentioned above) featured as bad guy cannon fodder a bunch of vaguely Russian mob enforcer types who wore tracksuits and said 'bro' about every third word. It also featured a stray dog who liked pizza, Pizza Dog, who adopted Hawkeye; one of the landmark issues was told entirely from the perspective of Pizza Dog (including, for instance, bubbles showing that Pizza Dog identifies everybody by their smells). This is clearly a take on this run, all the way to the lowercase arrow-in-the-h target-in-the-a logo.
posted by Superilla at 9:51 AM on September 14 [4 favorites]


I really, really hope Matt Fraction and Aja and the rest of that creative crew got paid for this.

Given the track record, I'm sure it's probably a pittance and I'd be real mad if I knew the details and had all the right perspective. But for the moment, I hope.
posted by scaryblackdeath at 10:13 AM on September 14 [2 favorites]


I have read that Ed Brubaker was paid less by Disney for the use of the Winter Soldier character (which he created) than for his onscreen non-speaking appearance for a few seconds in Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 11:04 AM on September 14 [2 favorites]




“The best gifts come with a bow”

Little known fact: the entire concept for the series originated with this tag line.

(Kidding…..I think)
posted by rbellon at 12:15 PM on September 14 [1 favorite]


Thats SO Hawkeye is what I'm here for.
posted by Nanukthedog at 12:28 PM on September 14 [1 favorite]


I really, really hope Matt Fraction and Aja and the rest of that creative crew got paid for this.

Very doubtful. As Chris Claremont once said, when you're writing for Marvel you have to content yourself with knowing you're taking someone else's toys off of the shelf and playing with them for a while, then you have to put them back. They're not your characters, they're Marvel's, all the way down.

They might get something if they use Pizza Dog, but they didn't create any of these characters. At most I expect it'll be a credit at some point, but I'd be surprised if they even get that.
posted by fight or flight at 12:59 PM on September 14 [1 favorite]


I just hope they get the archery right. Is that too much to ask? (Yes. It is.)
posted by The corpse in the library at 4:16 PM on September 14 [1 favorite]


One thing that annoys me about the MCU hawkguy (amongst many others) is that his whole happy family shtick precludes there ever being a scene of him being dumped on by Natasha, Jessica and Bobbie simultaneously.
posted by signal at 7:44 AM on September 15


Are we complaining that for once a character was retconned to not be a total misogynist pig and is instead a wholesome happy middle aged man trying to rebuild his life and escape a murderous history? Is it pure coincidence that the return of Dexter is November 7 and Hawkeye is November 24th?
posted by Nanukthedog at 7:56 AM on September 15




If anyone is still reading this thread who mentioned the Fraction run of Hawkeye, just want to say “thanks bros!”. :) Just read a bunch of it via my local library.
posted by bitterkitten at 3:29 PM on September 18 [7 favorites]


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