wordle but math
February 8, 2022 9:44 AM   Subscribe

behold.... MATHLER!!! You may find yourself googling the order of operations.

see also: evil wordle
posted by wowenthusiast (54 comments total) 14 users marked this as a favorite
 
First turn: I hate this a lot.
Second turn, in which I solve the puzzle: You know, I wasn't fair in my initial assessment. This game is great.
posted by BuddhaInABucket at 9:50 AM on February 8 [16 favorites]


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bam.
posted by flabdablet at 9:53 AM on February 8 [1 favorite]


oh no
posted by Horkus at 9:56 AM on February 8 [2 favorites]


See also: Nerdle
posted by nangua at 10:01 AM on February 8 [2 favorites]


Oh this is nice
posted by one for the books at 10:05 AM on February 8


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Fuck you, commutativity.
posted by The Bellman at 10:07 AM on February 8 [17 favorites]


Yeah, I had the same experience as The Bellman and I’m mad about it
posted by obfuscation at 10:12 AM on February 8 [1 favorite]


There is also Nerdle.

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https://nerdlegame.com #nerdle
posted by COD at 10:14 AM on February 8 [2 favorites]


This really doesn't work for me, with the two block numbers. All single digit would have been better.
posted by tavella at 10:23 AM on February 8 [1 favorite]


I think Nerdle is maybe more fun but also maybe more frustrating than this. I did get this one, though:
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posted by jacquilynne at 10:26 AM on February 8


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OK today, but could be very very bad.
posted by The Bellman at 10:28 AM on February 8


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I still don't understand why some of my first four rows were deemed incorrect, so I guess I've got some maths revision coming up.
posted by Paul Slade at 10:29 AM on February 8


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posted by Glinn at 10:31 AM on February 8


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posted by COD at 10:32 AM on February 8


Re: β€œwrong” answers.

I haven’t tested it to see if it allows answers are mathematically incorrect, but it’s not looking for just a correct equation, but the exact specific equation they used today, in the exact order. And if you had B x A when it wanted A x B (as at least a few of us did), that’s β€œwrong.”
posted by obfuscation at 10:39 AM on February 8 [3 favorites]


shazam!

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posted by kokaku at 10:40 AM on February 8


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posted by mrgoldenbrown at 10:43 AM on February 8


(no, it does not accept answers that do not equal the total.) (you be quiet, I can do maths.)
posted by Glinn at 10:44 AM on February 8 [2 favorites]


Nerdle is just too specific about operand order for my taste. 10x20 is equivalent to 20x10, yet the creator maintains that it is somehow not (see FAQ). Makes it seem like some sort of Mensa gotcha superiority quiz where the purpose is humiliation.
posted by JustSayNoDawg at 10:44 AM on February 8 [1 favorite]


Mather in 3 guesses. Honestly I was about to give up. Then I remembered this is Unix - I know this. Wait - no that’s not right. Fuck, which puzzle am I playing again?

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posted by inflatablekiwi at 10:56 AM on February 8 [1 favorite]


This is cool. Thanks!

I instinctively got angry about the idea of treating a 2 digit number as 2 entries, e.g. 13 isn't a 1 and a 3 except in a specific base that is arbitrary. But, on reflection, that's also true of dipthongs and THs and SHs and such in English words in the original, so maybe that's not actually a fair complaint.
posted by eotvos at 10:59 AM on February 8 [2 favorites]


O.M.G.
THANK YOU!

I don't like word puzzles.
Math, on the other hand, makes my dynamo humm (giggle).
posted by Goofyy at 11:18 AM on February 8


omg
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I couldn't stop laughing
and then I thought, this was easy, and solved it, and got yellow grey yellow grey yellow, because of course I didn't.
And there were actual tears running down my face laughing.
OMG guys I am so bad at math and I did it and I feel like a fucking superhero
I will probably send this to all the mathheads in my family (by whom I am overwhelmingly outnumbered) and then retire. A hero.

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posted by Mchelly at 11:23 AM on February 8 [6 favorites]


You may find yourself googling the order of operations.

Yeah, David Byrne's first draft of the lyrics definitely benefited from a couple more passes.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 11:25 AM on February 8 [17 favorites]


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Luck? Or smooth, smooth arithmetic skills?
posted by rouftop at 12:03 PM on February 8 [1 favorite]


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Pretty satisfying to work out, I think.
posted by wanderingmind at 12:22 PM on February 8


I'm gonna write "guess my string of SK combinators that reduces to SKK" and it's gonna be the absolute worst.
posted by away for regrooving at 12:27 PM on February 8 [2 favorites]


10x20 is equivalent to 20x10, yet the creator maintains that it is somehow not (see FAQ).

The FAQ explicitly recognizes commutativity but then goes on to say that for the purposes of the game, they're ignoring it, because the point of the game is to get the digits to match the target, not to come up with an equation that happens to balance and also contain the same digits as the target. It's not some kind of deeply mysterious gotcha, it's the point.

If they went in the other direction, how would the colouring system even work?
10x20+4=204
20x10+4=204
4+10x20=204
4+20x10=204 are all the same equation, just in slightly different order.
"Well, there's a four here, which might be in the right place, except there are three other equally mathematically valid solutions using exactly the same numbers, and in two of those, the four is in the wrong place, so we made it sorta chartreusy, so you could see it wasn't green, but it also wasn't yellow."
posted by jacquilynne at 12:39 PM on February 8 [1 favorite]


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posted by bz at 12:42 PM on February 8


I would have had it in 2 but yeah it wanted the numbers in a different order. It's looking for a specific equation so it's fair I guess. I'd be more upset if it was the difference between solving on the last try or not being able to solve at all.
posted by any portmanteau in a storm at 12:48 PM on February 8 [1 favorite]


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And if you had B x A when it wanted A x B (as at least a few of us did), that’s β€œwrong.”

Yeah, that would be a bummer on the last guess.

What's the best first guess ... ? Maybe 3-digit number subtracted or divided by 2-digit number to get 5 numerals in?

How many possible answers exist ...? If the numbers can't duplicate, there's only 5 at XXX / XX that work... 437 / 19, 483 / 21, 598 / 26, 782 / 34, and 851 / 37.

Likewise for XXX - XX, there's 6: 120 - 97, 107 - 84, 106 - 83, 105 - 82, 104 - 81, and 102 - 79.

You can't add or subtract two double-digit numbers or three single-digit numbers ever...

It seems like the vast majority of answers will be a two-digit number plus or minus the product of two single-digit numbers, or vice versa.

I'm curious if someone smarter than me can quickly figure out the number of possible solutions. I can't imagine it's very many, but maybe I'm missing something.
posted by mrgrimm at 1:09 PM on February 8


(Now I'm thinking that the numbers must have to be able to be duplicated. That opens up a lot.)

NVM ME!
posted by mrgrimm at 1:11 PM on February 8


Oh, you like guessing games, huh? Here, let me fucking ruin your day forever.(Warning: brilliant and impossible.)
posted by phooky at 1:14 PM on February 8 [10 favorites]


outlandishly pleased with myself that I got today's word in 36 tries.
posted by phooky at 1:18 PM on February 8 [1 favorite]


Yeah annoyed by commutative property. Otherwise fun.

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posted by supercres at 1:21 PM on February 8


I'm not able to copy my score (it pastes as "null") and it's bumming me out. :(
posted by subdee at 1:23 PM on February 8


Wow, that Semantle is interesting. Took me a while to figure out what I was supposed to do but I ended up giving up. There was no way I'd be able to get from my closest word (which was pretty close) to the actual one. I was thinking one way and it was going the other.
posted by any portmanteau in a storm at 1:50 PM on February 8


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posted by dopeypanda at 2:04 PM on February 8


I gave up too, and it's a good thing I did because I was guessing based on spelling/word structure and it turns out the similarity score is based (at least partly) on meaning.
posted by Holy Zarquon's Singing Fish at 2:05 PM on February 8 [1 favorite]


I've been playing a couple of days. Generally I'll give up, leave the tab open, look at it three hours later and suddenly figure it out in like three more guesses. It's a game that leverages the hell out your brain's propensity to get in a rut against you.
posted by phooky at 2:06 PM on February 8


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posted by tzikeh at 2:52 PM on February 8


I’m starting a rumor that if you get the following design in wordle on you unlock the second secret flower level of wordle.

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posted by interogative mood at 2:56 PM on February 8


argh it took me awhile to figure out the particularities and I lost site of the green=correct position and to forget the whole "but I'm right!"

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posted by mephisjo at 4:45 PM on February 8


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As if we needed one more thing to do before bedtime.
posted by of strange foe at 6:27 PM on February 8


Semantle was fun once you pick up some information! But I could do with a "random guess" button to spam a dozen or so times at the beginning, because that's all I'm doing.

(We'll see if this is typical, but I took 37 guesses, of which 33 were "cold", 3 in the scored range, and then the correct answer.)
posted by away for regrooving at 7:29 PM on February 8


Surely that should be 'MATHOCIST'?
posted by jamjam at 7:46 PM on February 8


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posted by Reverend John at 6:28 AM on February 9


REDEEMED

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posted by obfuscation at 9:01 AM on February 9


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posted by any portmanteau in a storm at 12:42 PM on February 9


things are coming together

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posted by mephisjo at 9:22 PM on February 9


I finally managed to get a semantle, though I don't think I really understand the closeness measurement and how it relates words to each other.
posted by jacquilynne at 6:54 AM on February 10


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I am not a math person. Plus I think the tiny part of my brain that was allocated toward math processing is the part that was sucked out of me during baby-gestation when my son was born.

I hated every second of playing this but I am now 3 for 3 and feel like a god right now.
posted by Mchelly at 7:05 AM on February 10


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Of the 3 arithmetic wordles I've tried (ooodle, nerdle, mathler), I like nerdle best because it strikes a good balance between size of solution/guess sets and information per guess. Also it tracks stats and doesn't have a timer (looking at you ooodle).

For those actually bothered by commutativity:

We get it. 1+2 and 2+1 are effectively the same in maths because of a principle called "commutativity". In the same way, 3*4 = 4*3.
In Nerdle, the "correct" answer will have one specified order and that's how we decide which of your guesses turn green, purple or black.
However, for the maths purists who would like 1+2 and 2+1 to be as correct as each other, we're testing a new solution where we accept either. We then rearrange your guess to our "correct" answer if required, so you know what we were looking for. If this feature is available to you already (it isn't yet available to everyone) you can turn "allow commutative answers" on/off in the settings menu.

posted by polytope subirb enby-of-piano-dice at 5:00 PM on February 10


There are three other math wordles I’ve seen:
Mathle
Primle
Primel
posted by nat at 11:44 AM on February 11


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