Daily Duotrigordle

May 15, 2022 2:43 PM

Put your skills to the test and solve thirty-two Wordles at once! You have 37 guesses to solve all 32 words.
posted by geoff. (78 comments total)

I thought this was just a joke, and sent it to my partner as such, and they solved it in 36.

The falcon cannot hear the falconer.
posted by rustybullrake at 3:03 PM on May 15, 2022 [24 favorites]

Argh, so close. Needed one more guess.

(Where I went wrong was in trying repeatedly to guess the words where I was missing two letters, rather than guessing a completely different word sharing no letters whatsoever, to eliminate some of the options.)
posted by johnofjack at 3:05 PM on May 15, 2022 [7 favorites]

I love it
posted by Going To Maine at 3:06 PM on May 15, 2022 [3 favorites]

I've been doing this for about a month, daily. I almost always get it, and it's not all that hard to get it in 34 guesses. One of the most fun things about it is the way that towards the end you're basically getting a word somewhere every turn, and often it's kind of obvious. You also get a good sense for five letter words. Also the user interface is fun, the way a board is shaded away when you complete it and you can see the yellows and greens from all the boards at a glance. My first word is usually SCARY because although Y is a rare vowel, when it appears it's often at the end of a word, so I get a lot of greens lighting up. Then I guess THIEF because it's a good complement of common letters.
posted by Schmucko at 3:07 PM on May 15, 2022 [12 favorites]

OK, I solved it in 36. After my usual four opening Quordle guesses it was mostly a matter of finding very sure bets one by one -- each additional solution made all the remaining ones easier.

That was fun to do once!
posted by confluency at 3:09 PM on May 15, 2022 [1 favorite]

Took all 37 guesses but my spouse and I team solved it. This is fun! Thanks for sharing.
posted by potrzebie at 3:12 PM on May 15, 2022

I was ready to hate this but nope, it fucking rules
posted by saladin at 3:14 PM on May 15, 2022 [10 favorites]

I got to 28/32 before running out of guesses. Even after I knew I wouldn't win, the endgame was still really satisfying.

If I play it again, and who am I kidding, I probably will, I think I'll try to hit as much of ETAOIN SHRDLU as I can in the first few guesses, look for a board with three green letters, rinse and repeat.

We have a shared bookmarks folder at my job that's nothing but daily puzzles, and I'm totally adding this one--thanks for posting.
posted by box at 3:16 PM on May 15, 2022 [2 favorites]

I was sloppy, but I got it in 37.
posted by Faint of Butt at 3:21 PM on May 15, 2022 [1 favorite]

Got them in 11/32!
Thanks for sharing this—into the daily rotation it goes!
posted by bookmammal at 3:21 PM on May 15, 2022 [1 favorite]

I started by thinking, okay, this is ridiculous and stupid, then thought, okay, this is more interesting than I thought, then "Oh, I'm getting the hang of it!" then "OH NO I GOT THE HANG OF IT TOO LATE" and now I've lost and have to wait for the next one.
posted by mittens at 3:22 PM on May 15, 2022 [10 favorites]

Oops….no….not done yet. Still very fun, though!
Back to it….
posted by bookmammal at 3:23 PM on May 15, 2022 [1 favorite]

Yup, another 34 day for me...
posted by Schmucko at 3:31 PM on May 15, 2022

This did the rounds for a couple of days at work, swiftly followed by the 64-in-70 guesses variant. It sounds impossible, but after a slightly harder than wordle initial few guesses, it rapidly becomes a rote exercise, although I did enjoy scanning through the pages of grids - almost more like a jigsaw puzzle than anything. You could probably scale it up to kilowordle before people just flat out refused to do it, I suspect.
posted by Jon Mitchell at 3:46 PM on May 15, 2022 [2 favorites]

Ok…now that I actually know what I’m doing…got 27/32.
Really fun and I’ll have a better strategy next time.
Thanks for sharing!
posted by bookmammal at 3:47 PM on May 15, 2022

bookmammal--I think you need to get the first number to be 32... Scroll around to find 5 uncompleted boards! You have 37 turns to do it in, so you have 5 more turns, and to win you need to guess a word correctly each turn!
posted by Schmucko at 3:49 PM on May 15, 2022

I want a 2,315 word version of this. 2315 guesses would be sufficient..
posted by joeyh at 3:53 PM on May 15, 2022 [4 favorites]

Thanks! I don't hate it.
posted by hydra77 at 4:09 PM on May 15, 2022

Got it in 36.
posted by kyrademon at 4:18 PM on May 15, 2022

done in 37 - still think squardle is better
posted by mbo at 4:18 PM on May 15, 2022 [1 favorite]

If that's too short for you, there's 64ordle (my best is 66, I usually do 68).
posted by jeather at 4:25 PM on May 15, 2022 [4 favorites]

No.

Yeah, no.
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 4:39 PM on May 15, 2022 [1 favorite]

You could probably scale it up to kilowordle

It’s been done

It auto solves any where you have green in all five columns, so it’s more manageable than it seems. It’s fun once or twice as a novelty but it doesn’t really have the replayability of Duotrigordle.
posted by theclaw at 4:46 PM on May 15, 2022 [2 favorites]

11/37. I just focused on one at a time.
posted by zardoz at 4:49 PM on May 15, 2022

zardoz, if your score is 11/37, you have not completed the game yet... You need to get 32 boards... You might not have scrolled around enough to see all of them?
posted by Schmucko at 4:55 PM on May 15, 2022 [2 favorites]

if your score is 11/37, you have not completed the game yet...

Ah, welcome to the story of my life!

Also, you just lost The Game.
posted by hippybear at 5:03 PM on May 15, 2022 [2 favorites]

31/32 before running out of goes. I made 2 mistakes. it is possible

CINES
ABORT
PUDGY
WHELM or WHELK

then proceed.
posted by lalochezia at 5:06 PM on May 15, 2022 [1 favorite]

Got it in 8 :)
posted by doctor_negative at 5:09 PM on May 15, 2022

I've been doing dordle, quordle, and the 16 grid sedecordle daily for weeks now so I'm delighted to see things are getting stupider.

I have three sets of opening three that I like to rotate through and they're generally enough to get through the rest of them without any false moves.

FRAME/BLIND/GHOST
TRIAD/SHONE/CLUMP
TEMPO/LYRIC/BANGS

Figuring out effective sets of opening three is as gratifying as solving the puzzle itself.
posted by phunniemee at 5:11 PM on May 15, 2022 [10 favorites]

MetaFilter: I'm delighted to see things are getting stupider.
posted by hippybear at 5:13 PM on May 15, 2022 [10 favorites]

I completely misunderstood this at first and didn't realize there were so many boards, leading me to give up at 11 moves when I realized it was now hopeless.

A second attempt got it in 36. Very interesting, and much more like a crossword in feel.
posted by solarion at 5:29 PM on May 15, 2022 [1 favorite]

I just did my first 64ordle and got it in 66
posted by Schmucko at 5:36 PM on May 15, 2022 [1 favorite]

phunniemee, I never get to a 3rd opening word, as after my first two I always go directly to solve a word. Though in solving words I look not only to ones I think I can solve uniquely, but ones that will use a new common letter.
posted by Schmucko at 5:50 PM on May 15, 2022 [2 favorites]

I have been doing these regularly. I have decided that the best one should hope for is a +3, the first two guesses getting whatever 10 letters you like and every guess thereafter achieving one of the words. I'm about 50% successful with this strategy, and it makes for some very tense deduction when nothing is obvious. Since you only get 10 free letters, this strategy sometimes runs up against an unavoidable situation where the last board could be one of two words, distinguished by two letters, neither of which occurs in any of the other words and which you also did not choose for your first ten. These are the disappointing +2 days.

This has led to me to continually refine my intitial two guesses, but I don't think there's a combination that can a) avoid the situation reliably while b) still ensuring that at least one board will be uniquely determined afterward. For instance, I recently was thwarted when I was forced to guess between JIFFY and FIZZY. If anybody is curious, my current standard pair is the very plain YRNFG TEBVA (rot13 for obfuscation). I have tried less common letters too but those 10 free choices are so crucial. I would love to hear others' theories about this.

By far it is more interesting and engaging than plain wordle. It's also worth mentioning that it seems to use a British word list. Wordle is careful to use words that players should be familiar with; the Duo not so much.
posted by dbx at 6:16 PM on May 15, 2022 [2 favorites]

Ah! You have to scroll down. Got it.
posted by zardoz at 7:21 PM on May 15, 2022 [5 favorites]

I also needed just one more guess...kind of interesting when the game tells you after 10 guesses that you'll finish +1 at best. At least I didn't fall further behind from there.
posted by subdee at 7:39 PM on May 15, 2022

I wasn’t sure what the + number was. I got it in 36 and I actually feel like this is easier than quardle.
posted by jeoc at 8:48 PM on May 15, 2022 [1 favorite]

What am I doing wrong - the page loads weirdly and the words pop up on top of each other so they're unreadable. Help? NEVER MIND I loaded it in Chrome and it works.
posted by BlahLaLa at 8:49 PM on May 15, 2022 [1 favorite]

I liked this! I cheated so bad. I had a go on my phone, ran out of guesses, opened an incognito tab, failed there too and then moved to my laptop and putting in the words I remembered, managed to finish it 35/37.

But I had fun!
posted by freethefeet at 8:51 PM on May 15, 2022 [1 favorite]

Got it on 37/37. Weirdly, I didn't find it much more engaging than a normal Wordle? Once your initial guesses are in, it's just a matter of finding whichever board has enough info to deduce the word for that board.
posted by NMcCoy at 9:00 PM on May 15, 2022 [2 favorites]

Fun! Thanks for posting it.
posted by Tell Me No Lies at 10:14 PM on May 15, 2022

Kilordle is interesting. It took 75 guesses. I spent some time trying to make sure any new word I guessed would cover at least a few of the top visible grids, but I don’t know how much it mattered; I eventually needed words with eg an x in every position, and it was too hard to come up with ones that weren’t the word on the grid I was looking at. Yeah, I’d play it again. I wonder what a good score is?
posted by nat at 11:03 PM on May 15, 2022 [2 favorites]

Oh I don’t understand why it’s not 1024 though. It’s the natural generalization anyhow.
posted by nat at 11:04 PM on May 15, 2022 [1 favorite]

Finally got the hang of it!!
This is quite fun
posted by calgirl at 12:25 AM on May 16, 2022

Hmm, optimization for kilordle is very different. You *will* need to hit all the annoying letters in every spot, more or less. So it’s better to concentrate on them and ignore the common letters. Just got it in 48, with that strategy. There must be a minimum set of words to cover every letter in five spaces, but that’s a job for a programmer.
posted by nat at 12:31 AM on May 16, 2022 [1 favorite]

I use wordles to make myself fall asleep and duotrigordle is the most reliable. 2 to 10 guesses and I'm out like a light.
posted by polytope subirb enby-of-piano-dice at 12:39 AM on May 16, 2022 [2 favorites]

36/37 phew!
posted by lock robster at 12:50 AM on May 16, 2022

I never even got close. Obviously I need a better strategy, being to suck less ;-)
posted by dg at 12:52 AM on May 16, 2022

MetaFilter: Ah! You have to scroll down. Got it.
posted by chavenet at 2:41 AM on May 16, 2022 [2 favorites]

This is a lot of fun but I have found that sedecordle hits the sweet spot for me: 16 words, 21 guesses. I played it so much I actually managed to get a 16 once! And another challenging variant is that you have to get them in order - e.g. if block #2 is the first word you successfully guess, then you have to get #3 next, and so forth.

Why yes indeed I have spent too much time on these games but they are super fun for me.
posted by contrapositive at 4:54 AM on May 16, 2022

Got it in 35. I don't think I've tried this particular variant but I have done the 16-word and 64-word ones.

The problem I have is that there's too much scanning. If it surfaced the columns that, say, had a lot of green in them already it wouldn't feel like an exercise in scrolling back and forth.

(Although I realize at some point I'm just saying that I would like it to solve the puzzle for me.)
posted by madcaptenor at 8:21 AM on May 16, 2022

It seems like kilordle has the "find the ones you have a chance of getting" feature. Got it in 116 and I have no idea if that's good.
posted by madcaptenor at 8:43 AM on May 16, 2022

You could probably scale it up to kilowordle
It’s been done

I solved kilordle in 108 guesses. I was really hoping to do it in under 100. I wonder what the fastest possible is.
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 9:00 AM on May 16, 2022

(On the fastest kilordle): If you could guess ABCDE -- BCDEF -- CDEFG -- -- -- ZABCD, you would have guessed every letter in every spot, and it would auto-complete every puzzle. So 26 guesses is the theoretical minimum to guarantee a win of every board. Of course, none of those are viable guesses, so the actual number will most likely be higher.
posted by miguelcervantes at 9:15 AM on May 16, 2022

Re: kilordle, playing random words at the beginning seems to help, up to a point, because it gets coverage. I gave it a few tries:

Play like a normal person playing normal Wordle (i. e., play a few starting words to cover a lot of letters, then play where there's a lot of green and/or yellow): 117
Play ten random words, then play normally: 96
Play twenty random words, then play normally: 83
Play thirty random words, then play normally: 88

The list of possible solutions is here.

Some people at Reddit (here, here, here) are claiming kilordle is beatable in 30-32 words.
posted by madcaptenor at 9:36 AM on May 16, 2022 [2 favorites]

Finally got it on my 4th puzzle (with no spares left)
I think I overestimated how many free guesses I had.
I think I prefer Squardle, but adding this to my list.
The thing I like about Squardle is that you can get some (all?) of the words without actually entering them.
posted by MtDewd at 10:00 AM on May 16, 2022

Just won today's Squardle without entering any of the target words, so that answers that.
posted by MtDewd at 10:17 AM on May 16, 2022 [1 favorite]

I like it. I missed by one guess the first time, just jumping right in with wild abandon, but got it in 34 the second. I agree that it's very satisfying to see the columns go dark. Nice and relaxing!
posted by taz at 10:32 AM on May 16, 2022

36/37 today, I think it's more mechanical than the original wordle
posted by subdee at 10:37 AM on May 16, 2022

31/32 before running out of goes. I made 2 mistakes. it is possible

Pick x words from the list of 5 words below (where x is 4 or less). These are your first x guesses, then proceed.

FUNKY
GLITZ
JAMBS
PERCH
VOWED

(This is a set of 5 words that contain the most of the letters of the alphabet, except for Q and X.)
posted by otherchaz at 11:55 AM on May 16, 2022 [1 favorite]

Both days finished it in 37 guesses. There's definitely an element of "nothing to spare, time to focus a bit more" in those scores once I ran out of extra guesses. (Also a bit of luck for not running into a last guess with multiple legal possibilities.)

It reminds me a bit more of solving a medium-difficulty crossword than True Wordle does. You concentrate more for longer but you can basically slog through if you're careful at some point.
posted by mark k at 12:32 PM on May 16, 2022

Not to yuck anyone's yum, because I still play these (Sedecordle is probably my favorite; Duotrigordle takes too long) but my friends and I have been sharing these as they get more and more words, and quite frankly, more words is boring. It's too easy. The first time you play it, it's tricky because you have to keep track of things, but after playing once or twice, it feels almost trivially easy to win. Plain old Wordle is still the hardest for me, because I can't do a list of guesses to start. I get one word, and go from there. But if someone makes a 128 word version, I'll totally play it anyway and then complain.

IDEA! Wordle + 2048. Two single Wordles, and you get a double Wordle. Two doubles, and you get a Quordle. Two Quordles for an Octordle, and so on until you get a 2048-ordle. I don't have the skill to do this myself, but I bet it wouldn't be hard.
posted by kevinbelt at 12:32 PM on May 16, 2022 [2 favorites]

I used my first 3 guesses for just getting letters in and should have gone from there but I was sloppy with my first "real" guess so ended up using all 37 guesses. I've been playing sedecordle so am used to looking around for the gimme words and if you're doing that then there's no reason not to get it within the 37 guesses because with 32 words there's almost guaranteed to be something with either all of the letters green or enough of them to make it obvious what the word is. The main thing is to avoid guessing on 50-50 words and just keep filling out the gimmes and the 50-50s will resolve themselves. Aiming for 34 sounds like a good way to keep it challenging.
posted by any portmanteau in a storm at 2:06 PM on May 16, 2022

36/37 today, I think it's more mechanical than the original wordle

my friends and I have been sharing these as they get more and more words, and quite frankly, more words is boring. It's too easy.

Yeah; for 32-dle, the minimum score is 32/37 (if no words are duplicated), but you could easily have all 26 letters on the board early, so it gets a little mechanical at the end. Though still fun.

An interesting feature would be auto-solve: if you've hit a green in all 5 positions for a word (even split among different guesses), then automatically consider that word solved. However, also give the player fewer guesses to start with. There may be a strategy where a certain guess could solve multiple words at once.
posted by kurumi at 2:11 PM on May 16, 2022 [1 favorite]

Aight, I got sucked in. Not sure it’ll be a daily thing, but it was interesting!

Daily Duotrigordle #75
Guesses: 36/37
1️⃣8️⃣ 1️⃣9️⃣ 2️⃣0️⃣ 2️⃣1️⃣
0️⃣8️⃣ 1️⃣3️⃣ 1️⃣0️⃣ 2️⃣9️⃣
1️⃣2️⃣ 1️⃣4️⃣ 0️⃣5️⃣ 0️⃣4️⃣
2️⃣2️⃣ 1️⃣5️⃣ 3️⃣6️⃣ 3️⃣0️⃣
0️⃣6️⃣ 3️⃣5️⃣ 3️⃣1️⃣ 1️⃣6️⃣
2️⃣3️⃣ 3️⃣4️⃣ 3️⃣2️⃣ 0️⃣7️⃣
2️⃣8️⃣ 1️⃣7️⃣ 2️⃣4️⃣ 3️⃣3️⃣
2️⃣7️⃣ 2️⃣5️⃣ 2️⃣6️⃣ 0️⃣9️⃣
https://duotrigordle.com/
posted by obfuscation at 3:06 PM on May 16, 2022 [1 favorite]

Well, I sucked a little less today but I need to be more careful at the start because, once you're in the negative, there's no way to complete even though, for a couple of words, I had green boxes for each letter somewhere but not enough guesses and no way to solve more than one word at a time.
Daily Duotrigordle #76
Guesses: X/37
1️⃣2️⃣ 2️⃣3️⃣ 2️⃣2️⃣ 2️⃣1️⃣
2️⃣4️⃣ 2️⃣7️⃣ 1️⃣7️⃣ 1️⃣0️⃣
3️⃣1️⃣ 0️⃣5️⃣ 3️⃣0️⃣ 1️⃣3️⃣
3️⃣2️⃣ 🟥🟥 3️⃣6️⃣ 3️⃣7️⃣
🟥🟥 0️⃣9️⃣ 2️⃣8️⃣ 1️⃣4️⃣
1️⃣8️⃣ 2️⃣5️⃣ 0️⃣6️⃣ 1️⃣1️⃣
3️⃣5️⃣ 2️⃣6️⃣ 🟥🟥 2️⃣9️⃣
1️⃣9️⃣ 2️⃣0️⃣ 3️⃣3️⃣ 3️⃣4️⃣
https://duotrigordle.com/
posted by dg at 6:50 PM on May 16, 2022

At this point, someone please implement a generalized game where the user types in the number of word-boards (and also the word length) and then they can play 6-letter Cinqordle or whatever.

And then we can be done with these variations. The day after bookmarking this and playing it once, I have lost interest in playing the ones I did every morning. Over-satiation. Blowout. There's a term! I think I'm going to quit the wordleverse but stick with Redactle, which is very satisfying at times.
posted by sylvanshine at 5:30 AM on May 17, 2022

I got today's in exactly 37, having spent most of that time with zero extra guesses, and getting the last word with a letter that I hadn't guessed before. Pretty satisfying, but still not something I can see myself doing every day.
posted by box at 6:48 AM on May 17, 2022

This was really fun! After the first 3, I managed to get one every guess so I got it in 35. It felt less challenging than regular wordle, though I might have just been lucky today.
posted by randomnity at 7:32 AM on May 17, 2022

I just did the kilordle in 58. Yesterday I realized that instead of EVER playing as a regular Wordle. Never guess the word you think it is. I realized doing it as a regular Wordle I would have four of the letters in the correct place and would place one more letter and thus solve all the words that were missing that one letter-place. I figured if I guessed ANOTHER word with the missing letter-place, then I would get all THOSE words and as a bonus many other words.

After a while, I realized I could do even better. Instead of finding one word and adding that letter-place, I could pick TWO words and find words that had BOTH the missing letter-places and all the words associated with those (and whatever bonus words came with that).
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 8:11 AM on May 17, 2022

Never let it be said I didn't ruin a game in the quest to beat it.

With the help of AskMe, I made a spreadsheet to optimize my kilordle word choice. I found a list of "all" the five letter words. Only about 5000k, so probably not all, but I figured that was enough. Then I inventoried how often each letter was in each spot in the word (e.g. how often is A in first, second, third, fourth, fifth; how often is B in first, second, third, fourth, fifth).

I assigned each word a score by adding it's letter total. Like the word "Waxes", which was the highest scoring word was 222+930+67+1228+1762 because W appears first in 222 words, A appears second in 930 words, X appears third in 67 words, E appears fourth in 1228 words, and S appears fifth in 1762 words. Then I would enter that word and all the scores would shift so letter-places already covered would no longer give points to words. So a W in the first letter would now count for 0 points, A in second now counts for 0 points, etc. Then I entered the second-highest scoring word. Again, all the scores re-jigger so you don't points for letter placements already covered.

It worked pretty well. I win Kilordle in 48 turns. Two turns were duds (i just misread which word I was supposed to enter and entered an adjacent word by accident) and the last 4 or 5 turns I actually solved them like a wordle. At that point I could see in my excel sheet that ANY remaining word was only going to add one letter-placement anyway.

This is obviously not necessarily the optimal solution, even for today's puzzle because since the optimal solution might be that even if one specific word is higher scoring, there is some combination of 3 words that would have been more efficient than four of the words actually used. I'm going to think about whether there's a way to solve that problem (without the programming skill or super computer to brute force it).

On thought....how is waxes higher-scoring than taxes...will need to check my word list..
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 1:35 PM on May 17, 2022 [2 favorites]

And TALES should be higher-scoring than both...I'm starting to doubt this word list I found.
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 1:37 PM on May 17, 2022

If ETAOIN SHRDLU is still the beginning of the English letter frequency tables, NOTES might be even better than TALES
posted by box at 1:43 PM on May 17, 2022

OK, it looks like there was a problem with the sort that led me to enter Waxes first. The top ten words now show as:

sores
sales
soles
sates
sires
cares
bares
cores
bores

Though obviously one would only enter one of those first, since they have a lot of redundancy between them. I will try again and report back as I'm sure you're all eager to hear.
posted by If only I had a penguin... at 2:10 PM on May 17, 2022

Aargh, missed out by one today. Given my competitive nature, it's fortunate it's only available once a day. Why, yes, I am ignoring the use of multiple devices and incognito windows for the sake of my sanity.
posted by dg at 6:37 PM on May 17, 2022

got this one, but I will say that kilordle broke me, in that a certain point the letters ceased to have meaning and i was just tossing words into the void to make the wordles stop.
posted by corb at 6:40 PM on May 17, 2022 [2 favorites]

Last night, Mr. nat to me: If you keep talking about this kilordle thing you know I'm going to start programming it.
me: that might indeed be my goal

Today, an email from Mr. nat5:
subject: 36
contents: abbot, affix, askew.... (etc: a list of 36 words)

Me, once I noticed the email: Oh that's funny. How'd you do that?
Mr. nat: ***explanation of linear programming trick***

Part of the omitted explanation here was a proof that at least with his word list, the smallest possible number of words is 35. So, 36 seems pretty good.
posted by nat at 3:03 PM on May 18, 2022 [1 favorite]

Got to 32/32 in 35 guesses on today's daily and the practice one. This iteration of Wordle, with this many boards at once, feels more like sudoku than any other I've played. With every new guess, I'm checking all the boards to see what new clues have cropped up, and what letters are left untried. What really makes this sudoku-like is that, after the first few words, every word entered has to be correct (because you only get 5 wrong guesses out of 37), which is much like how one doesn't bother to write in a number in a sudoku grid unless one is fairly certain that it belongs there. This makes the Duotrigordle experience feel quite a bit like one of those fill-in-the-blanks logic puzzles I used to do as a kid.
posted by skoosh at 5:34 PM on May 19, 2022 [1 favorite]