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wanna hear my Braveheart rant re Isabella's depiction in that stupid movie? wanna???? huh huh?
posted by supermedusa at 9:59 AM on June 25, 2022 [9 favorites]
posted by supermedusa at 9:59 AM on June 25, 2022 [9 favorites]
I've never seen the movie because it looked stupid and also Mel Gibson, but, yeah, let's do this!
posted by box at 10:54 AM on June 25, 2022 [2 favorites]
posted by box at 10:54 AM on June 25, 2022 [2 favorites]
Ditto, box. I didn't even watch Braveheart, and I wanna!
posted by taz at 10:58 AM on June 25, 2022 [2 favorites]
posted by taz at 10:58 AM on June 25, 2022 [2 favorites]
Relevant, and recent: Dark Queens: The Bloody Rivalry that Forged The Medieval World. Generally, Late Antique and Early Medieval history is chock-a-block with interesting and criminally under-studied strong women.
posted by eclectist at 6:25 AM on June 26, 2022 [2 favorites]
posted by eclectist at 6:25 AM on June 26, 2022 [2 favorites]
sorry for the delay, I had a crazy day yesterday that included rescuing an injured juvenile o'possum.
[SPOILERS BELOW LOL]
Supermedusa's Braveheart Rant re Isabella (the She-Wolf of FranceTM)
so EdI is still alive in the movie, so it does not take place later than 1307. we know that EdII and Izzie married in 1308, and we believe she was 12. so! the person depicted in the movie was a child, 11 at oldest. I think it's safe to say that if she had been in England, she would have had no freedom, autonomy, access to money, or probably any knowledge of what was going on in Scotland. and really, would she have cared? so we have this child somehow managing to traipse off into the night and have an affair with William Wallace. as if a pampered Valois princess would have deigned to be in the same room with a smelly Scottish rebel, much less fuck him. ok...
also, I feel strongly confident that EdI did not wantonly murder his own citizens. he was perhaps ruthless, but also deeply pragmatic. he learned a lot of hard lessons during his father's very long and unstable reign. the idea that he might have cared who his son was (maybe) dallying with is rooted in modern notions of homophobia.
so yeah its such a stupid movie, you take this incredibly dramatic and interesting moment in history and add all of this unnecessary false Hollywood fluff. grumble grumble.
that said, I thought the write up on Izzie (TSWoF) was well done, and an enjoyable read.
posted by supermedusa at 1:09 PM on June 26, 2022 [4 favorites]
[SPOILERS BELOW LOL]
Supermedusa's Braveheart Rant re Isabella (the She-Wolf of FranceTM)
so EdI is still alive in the movie, so it does not take place later than 1307. we know that EdII and Izzie married in 1308, and we believe she was 12. so! the person depicted in the movie was a child, 11 at oldest. I think it's safe to say that if she had been in England, she would have had no freedom, autonomy, access to money, or probably any knowledge of what was going on in Scotland. and really, would she have cared? so we have this child somehow managing to traipse off into the night and have an affair with William Wallace. as if a pampered Valois princess would have deigned to be in the same room with a smelly Scottish rebel, much less fuck him. ok...
also, I feel strongly confident that EdI did not wantonly murder his own citizens. he was perhaps ruthless, but also deeply pragmatic. he learned a lot of hard lessons during his father's very long and unstable reign. the idea that he might have cared who his son was (maybe) dallying with is rooted in modern notions of homophobia.
so yeah its such a stupid movie, you take this incredibly dramatic and interesting moment in history and add all of this unnecessary false Hollywood fluff. grumble grumble.
that said, I thought the write up on Izzie (TSWoF) was well done, and an enjoyable read.
posted by supermedusa at 1:09 PM on June 26, 2022 [4 favorites]
This was glorious and I need more! So much more.
posted by liminal_shadows at 10:29 PM on June 27, 2022
posted by liminal_shadows at 10:29 PM on June 27, 2022
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