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August 26, 2022 10:38 AM   Subscribe

 
Jazz, the OG CRT.

It was illegal to teach jazz in the state of Louisiana until, 2021 or 2022, I forget

The Jazz programs at state schools such as NOCCA have continued regardless, producing such graduates as John Batiste.

Freedom indeed.
posted by eustatic at 10:46 AM on August 26, 2022 [10 favorites]


Hmm. It's almost like, I don't know, things created by Black people are looked down on. Or something like that.
posted by medusa at 10:51 AM on August 26, 2022 [25 favorites]


As a young one in sixties I heard in a church that dancing leads to teen pregnancy.

Jazz?
posted by aiq at 10:54 AM on August 26, 2022 [1 favorite]


(Note that we're talking about jazz, the American musical style, not Jazz, the AAVE-speaking Porsche that turns into a robot.)
posted by box at 10:56 AM on August 26, 2022 [7 favorites]


It was illegal to teach jazz in the state of Louisiana until, 2021 or 2022, I forget

For those of you who had square-dancing portions of your PE classes, you have white supremacist Henry Ford to thank for that -- it was part of his anti-jazz crusade.
posted by Etrigan at 10:58 AM on August 26, 2022 [38 favorites]


"No man or woman is normal after he has danced to the music of a jazz orchestra for more than half an hour"

A lot of these 'warnings' probably sounded pretty inviting to the youth of that era.

The automobile is also mentioned several times:
"promiscuous automobile riding"
"automobile riding at night...among the evils breaking up the home"
posted by eye of newt at 11:00 AM on August 26, 2022 [5 favorites]


To create a circular reference, this post fits nicely with the next post about bans on LGBTQ+ books. Sometimes old anti-jazz rhetoric and modern anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric look suspiciously similar.
posted by clawsoon at 11:07 AM on August 26, 2022 [9 favorites]


BIG EARS
posted by clawsoon at 11:08 AM on August 26, 2022 [1 favorite]


As a young one in sixties I heard in a church that dancing leads to teen pregnancy.

Jazz?


Jizz.
posted by chavenet at 11:09 AM on August 26, 2022 [5 favorites]


For those of you who had square-dancing portions of your PE classes, you have white supremacist Henry Ford to thank for that

gonna have to dig that man up and doh-see-doh him into the sun.

then I'm gonna listen to some JAZZ.
posted by supermedusa at 11:09 AM on August 26, 2022 [5 favorites]




I blame happiness on jazz.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 11:29 AM on August 26, 2022 [7 favorites]




Let's go to some places:

Roy Ayers - Everybody Loves the Sunshine

Aretha Franklin & King Curtis - Them Changes

Herbie Hancock - Rain Dance

Bobbi Humphrey - Harlem River Drive

Archie Shepp - Attica Blues
posted by box at 11:42 AM on August 26, 2022 [8 favorites]


Not a lot of Hep cats back then.
posted by JohnnyGunn at 11:45 AM on August 26, 2022


So Jazz is OG D&D?
posted by WaterAndPixels at 11:54 AM on August 26, 2022 [2 favorites]


Avellana Sea Green

Thundercat A Fan's Mail

Chris Potter, James Francies, Eric Harland Hold It

Tom Misch & Yussef Dayes Storm Before the Calm

This is fun!!! (a little sample from my current fav playlists)
posted by supermedusa at 12:09 PM on August 26, 2022 [3 favorites]


"Jazz Blamed for Girls Leaving Home" Well, that much is true.
posted by hypnogogue at 12:13 PM on August 26, 2022 [1 favorite]


The square dance situation is complicated, see Metafilter previously. It's a long thread and there's a lot in it, but this link still works, and has more info on Ford's pro-square dance actions (and on his white supremacy, and whether/how much that informed his promotion of square dance).

Modern square dance can be done to a variety of music, but I don't know if anyone's tried doing it to jazz, specifically.
posted by nat at 12:16 PM on August 26, 2022 [3 favorites]


I mean, probably, there is after all square dance rap.
posted by box at 12:20 PM on August 26, 2022 [1 favorite]




My wife was quick to point out they said the same things about ragtime. (The meaning of "jelly roll" in Jelly Roll Morton may surprise you.)
A wave of vulgar, filthy and suggestive music has inundated the land. Nothing but ragtime prevails, and the cakewalk with its obscene posturings, its lewd gestures...Our children, our young men and women are continually exposed to the contiguity, to the monotonous attrition of this vulgarizing music. It is artistically and morally depressing, and should be suppressed by press and pulpit.
posted by kirkaracha at 12:36 PM on August 26, 2022 [6 favorites]


As a young one in sixties I heard in a church that dancing leads to teen pregnancy.

Jazz?


Jizz.
Inexplicably, "Jizz" is the name for Jazz in Star Wars.
posted by one for the books at 12:43 PM on August 26, 2022 [4 favorites]


Oooh, I see a playlist in my future.

Cannonball Adderly Quintet - Mercy, Mercy, Mercy
Donald Byrd - (Fallin' Like) Dominoes
Sonny Rollins - St. Thomas
posted by thecaddy at 12:47 PM on August 26, 2022 [2 favorites]


And one more always in the heavy rotation:

Dexter Gordon - Three O'Clock In The Morning
posted by thecaddy at 12:49 PM on August 26, 2022 [2 favorites]


Jack Chick tracts will tell you that rock and roll came out of rhythms created by African demons, which is remarkably similar to some of the arguments put forth by the Irish clips in that thread. (De Valera's Ireland: not a great place for jazz clubs, I am going to guess.)

Ragtime: the arms of the jungle! Animal instinct!
(This line has been excised from the current production, which I think pulls one of the few teeth the show still has.)
posted by Countess Elena at 1:01 PM on August 26, 2022 [1 favorite]


Jizz

Interestingly enough, the word "jazz" (which long predates the musical style) likely descended from "jism". "Jism" is attested to in sources in the mid-19th century as a word meaning "spirit; energy; spunk" and, through the slightly later 19th century variant spelling "jasm", likely became "jazz" in the early 20th century, ultimately being applied to the newly-emerging musical style in the mid-1910s. Meanwhile, "jism" also became slang for semen and was shortened to "jizz" by the 1940s (and, of course, "spunk" itself also became a slang term for semen).
posted by star gentle uterus at 1:03 PM on August 26, 2022 [6 favorites]


Do you think George Lucas knew about that, or is it just his talent for naming things
posted by Countess Elena at 1:05 PM on August 26, 2022


Things the Empire blames Jizz for:
Rebellion sympathizers
Spice smuggling
Swoop racing
Podrace crashes
Swoopbike gangs
Lowered morale and discipline in the Navy
Ewoks
Hutts, the entire species
Jedi
Parliamentary gridlock and inefficiency
The Clone Wars
posted by Jacen at 1:07 PM on August 26, 2022 [19 favorites]


That is amusing, especially the warts. Thank you for posting. I stole the idea, looked in the UK newspaper archive and found jazz blamed for:

* 1926, Blackpool: "since the introduction of jazz, dancing has gone to the dogs. The only old dance left now is the waltz, and that is nothing like what it used to be, for it is now too slow and easy".
* 1926, Pontypridd: straying horses.
* 1926: "the poisoning of our musical palates"; however the writer disagreed and said that the popularity of jazz is because of the "inability of the general public to obtain anything else with equal ease and cheapness".
* In the same year, "Mr. Paul Whiteman, the American jazz king ... laughed uproariously when I asked if, as has been stated, jazz is bad for the morals, and sends men over forty insane".
* 1927, The Derry Journal: "the jazz craze is one of the greatest obstacles to the Irish-Ireland forward march ... Jazz caters for the transient and ephemeral emotions of man, and intellectual appeal, good taste, or anything lacking physical attraction goes to the wall".
* 1930, Dublin: a girl's thefts blamed on love of jazz halls and dancing.
* 1930, the Sheffield Independent reporting the proceedings of the League of Nations: a speaker blamed "the moral degradation of the young, and especially the children, of the United States", on jazz, prohibition, divorce, lack of religion and lack of home life.
* 1933: Bournemouth: poorly-done homework blamed on listening to jazz or vaudeville on the wireless.
* 1935, letter to the editor, Daily News: jazz blamed for "road accidents, domestic disturbances and suicides".
* 1944, Leamington Spa: "jazz and crooning" blamed for the lack of "thrilling marching songs" like those of the First World War.
* 1956, Marylebone: a musician's thefts of tape recordings and record covers blamed on his obsession with jazz.
posted by paduasoy at 1:12 PM on August 26, 2022 [12 favorites]


As a child of a noted jazz obsessive, I can confirm that jazz can cause stacks of records to accumulate on study furniture so you cannot sit on it, lengthy lectures to your small daughters about the quality of Nat Hentoff's liner notes, lengthier reminiscences to your teenage daughters' boyfriends about that time your saw Miles Davis on the Jack Johnson tour, and repeatedly, over the course of your daughter's life, calling her in the middle of the work day, saying "Bud, check out this bass line" and then leaving a phone in front of a speaker for 3-18 minutes.

Total danger zone, jazz.

(I kid. Love you, dad)
posted by thivaia at 1:24 PM on August 26, 2022 [44 favorites]


Some early waltz composers - a Strauss? Wittgenstein’s father? - were accused of being part-African because how else could you explain the sexy sexy music?

Tbf public partner embrace truly was shocking to a majority of pre-polka cultures.

Oh also, and I probably said this in the previous thread - don’t accept Henry Ford’s lies about square dance. It is an egalitarian and African American development, a minuet everyone can do, invented by the working class. Vivian Williams found the contemporaneous letters about it.
posted by clew at 1:38 PM on August 26, 2022 [3 favorites]


Oh it's funny now, but if Squirrel Nut Zippers become popular again, I'm going to want some answers from y'all.
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 1:39 PM on August 26, 2022 [1 favorite]


Jelly Roll Morton and Gustavo Fring are clearly doppelgangers
posted by TwoToneRow at 1:53 PM on August 26, 2022 [2 favorites]


I went to Chronicling America where you can search old newspapers with select terms. Inserting jazz and blame as two words within ten words of each other, I came up with all sorts of entertaining articles. "BLAME JAZZ VAMPS FOR POOR TELEPHONE SERVICE" or an editorial that begins "To someone who is not cultured in music, jazz seems the reproduction of a sick barnyard."
PASTOR'S SON HELD FOR BAD CHECKS. Admits He's a Chump, but puts Blame on Jazz, Girls, and Gin.
Another one blames jazz for 24 deaths of alpine mountaineers.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 1:58 PM on August 26, 2022 [7 favorites]


thivaia I'm pretty sure I love your dad too!
posted by supermedusa at 2:01 PM on August 26, 2022 [2 favorites]


To be fair, I'm pretty sure they were right about the drugs.
posted by clawsoon at 2:06 PM on August 26, 2022


Jazz is responsible for many moral failings, although bicycles are to blame for almost everything. For instance in just a few years, "the bicycle is, therefore, responsible for the prevelance of brunette types in women" (1897), as well as decline in book sales (1895), reduced laundry services (1895), fewer horse sales (1896), less street car service (1895), extinction of canines (1896), failing theaters (1896), conditions called "bicycle heart" (1901) and "spread foot" (1899), as well as so many other things.
posted by autopilot at 2:12 PM on August 26, 2022 [10 favorites]


I also came across this news article, the misspellings intact.

She laid much of the blame on club women for countenancing jazz. "On their library tables are work of Shapesspeare and eKats," she said, "but on their pianos you will often find music on a par with Diamond Dick stories."
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 2:15 PM on August 26, 2022


Prudes gonna prude; thus it ever was.

You can go back to England in the 1590s and read hundreds of pages about how the theater promotes prostitution, sodomy, witchcraft, rebellion, Catholicism, regicide, and atheism; how it turns housewives into whores, upright men into perverted beasts, and young boys into their sexually deformed playthings. It spreads the plague, undermines economic productivity, and threatens the safety of the English nation itself.
posted by Saxon Kane at 2:15 PM on August 26, 2022 [6 favorites]


The “Jazz Blamed for Warts on Feet” story is from chiropractors, so I’m pretty skeptical about it.
posted by TedW at 2:15 PM on August 26, 2022 [6 favorites]


You can go back to England in the 1590s and read hundreds of pages

I guess some people are always looking for someone to scare them about sexual threats to their children, and some other people are always willing to sell the preferred scare to the first group.
posted by clawsoon at 2:26 PM on August 26, 2022


"Lisa, stay away from that Jazz man."

-Marge Simpson.
posted by clavdivs at 2:33 PM on August 26, 2022 [3 favorites]


Apparently Joe Queenan took this sentiment to heart in his classic Spy Magazine column.
posted by TedW at 2:34 PM on August 26, 2022 [1 favorite]


Things the Empire blames Jizz for:
AT-ST accidents rose 53% while the quickly-banned hypernet series "So You Think Your AT-ST Can Dance?" was airing.

(New Republic investigators later determined that the Emperor's fave crony capitalists had cheaped out on leg bearings for an entire AT-ST production run, passing the savings onto themselves. when the Navy complained, the oligarchs followed the standard Imperial "blame jizz" playbook)
posted by Sauce Trough at 2:51 PM on August 26, 2022 [2 favorites]


The meaning of "jelly roll" in Jelly Roll Morton may surprise you.

He experienced a sudden rise in popularity after toiling for years as HooHa LaMothe.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 3:28 PM on August 26, 2022 [3 favorites]


1913, the Year of the Great Tango Controversy
Germany’s Kaiser banned the dance. And England’s Queen Mary also ordered it kept out of any palace functions.

In the United States, ministers, priests and rabbis began speaking out against the immoral dance. The more strident labeled it “unwholesome degeneracy.” They were especially angry at the hordes of adults who tangoed, making it seem acceptable to children. The more moderate clergy saw it as a passing fad; an evil, but a temporary one.
...
Opponents also expanded their battleground. “Medical authorities have lately expressed the opinion that these objectionable dances are nerve-wracking, and if persisted in must undermine both health and morals,” they told the newspapers.
In November 1913, Pope Pius X declared tango as immoral and off-limits to Catholics. He mocked the tango and tried to renew people’s interest in the “Furiana” [sic], which had gone out of fashion by 1750.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:04 PM on August 26, 2022 [5 favorites]




Sayyid Qutb, anEgyptian author and Islamic scholar, spent 1948 to 1950 in the United States and also highly disapproved of jazz.
The American is primitive in his artistic taste, both in what he enjoys as art and in his own artistic works. "Jazz" music is his music of choice. This is that music that the Negroes invented to satisfy their primitive inclinations, as well as their desire to be noisy on the one hand and to excite bestial tendencies on the other.

...the American girl is well acquainted with her body's seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face, and in expressive eyes, and thirsty lips. She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs – and she shows all this and does not hide it.
His teachings were very influential for many militant Islamists, including Al Qaeda.

If this jagoff had managed to get laid in the States, the last 20-30 years might've been different.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:13 PM on August 26, 2022 [4 favorites]


If this jagoff had managed to get laid in the States, the last 20-30 years might've been different.

Well... British and American imperialism in the Middle East might've had to be erased for that jagoff to not simply be replaced by a different one with the same effect...
posted by clawsoon at 4:22 PM on August 26, 2022 [3 favorites]




In a documentary about jazz dance, one of the academics declares "Bebop killed jazz dance" which just seems so totally on point. No one can dance to a wild asymmetric bebop riff. Well maybe a modern dance company. The docu is totally worth a watch.
posted by sammyo at 5:20 PM on August 26, 2022 [1 favorite]


Just to note, I'm utterly sent by some bebop -- but just can't dance to it.
posted by sammyo at 5:22 PM on August 26, 2022 [2 favorites]


And thinking about it I can actually see how some intense bebop could trigger indigestion...
posted by sammyo at 5:26 PM on August 26, 2022


MetaFilter: tried to renew people’s interest in the “Furiana” [sic], which had gone out of fashion by 1750.
posted by ricochet biscuit at 6:49 PM on August 26, 2022


Total danger zone, jazz.

(I kid. Love you, dad)
posted by thivaia at 1:24 PM on August 26


He nicknamed his daughter "Bud." Case close.

Some early waltz composers - a Strauss? Wittgenstein’s father? - were accused of being part-African because how else could you explain the sexy sexy music?

The Blue Danube is chock full of fuck-beats. That's why it was in 2001: A Space Odyssey, the floating pen in the Pan Am transporter is the anchor of the entire dick subplot.
posted by rhizome at 10:48 PM on August 26, 2022 [3 favorites]


there is after all square dance rap

Surely you mean this?
posted by sjswitzer at 12:51 AM on August 27, 2022


Adorno, for all his other virtues, was famously not a fan.

Olé is one of my favourite.
posted by juv3nal at 12:56 AM on August 27, 2022


Thank goodness we learned from this and never again blamed social problems on a musical genre popularized by African Americans.
posted by AlSweigart at 5:21 AM on August 27, 2022 [5 favorites]


The automobile is also mentioned several times:

And before that, the bicycle led to the corruption of the fairer sex by allowing them to travel unchaperoned and potentially encounter the wrong kinds of men or something.

Though now, it seems that we are discovering that automobiles are actually harmful. Not to mention that, as shown in the events of the past six years, exposure to TV can rot one's brain.
posted by acb at 5:32 AM on August 27, 2022 [2 favorites]


...the American girl is well acquainted with her body's seductive capacity. She knows it lies in the face, and in expressive eyes, and thirsty lips. She knows seductiveness lies in the round breasts, the full buttocks, and in the shapely thighs, sleek legs – and she shows all this and does not hide it.

You can see the saliva building up on his lips as you read this.
posted by acb at 5:35 AM on August 27, 2022 [1 favorite]


there is after all square dance rap

Surely you mean this?


Here's Malc's contribution to the genre.
posted by gtrwolf at 9:41 AM on August 27, 2022


That explains the warts! Damn you, Mingus!!
posted by hoodrich at 11:21 AM on August 27, 2022 [2 favorites]


Adorno, for all his other virtues, was famously not a fan.

Probably one of the few areas where he and Ayn Rand were on the same page.
posted by Saxon Kane at 11:22 AM on August 27, 2022 [2 favorites]


A list of things people blamed on bicycles

Saw this one earlier this week. They went from hilarious to clearly impossible. We sure do love a scapegoat.
posted by tommasz at 1:04 PM on August 27, 2022




A few folks Showin' Em How It's Done, picked at random from my many many favorites:

Pat Metheny, Herbie Hancock, Dave Holland, and Jack DeJohnette live - Solar
Stellar.

Mingus Big Band with Ronnie Cuber - Moanin'
That glorious low-A bari - Uhh!

Dizzy Gillespie, Sonny Stitt, and Sonny Rollins - Sunny Side of the Street
Fine as mmm, wine

Bill Evans - My Foolish Heart
Just...chills

McCoy Tyner featuring Michael Brecker - Impressions
Channeling Coltrane as only Brecker can

Wynton Marsalis - Bright Mississippi
Uh-huh, right there...like that

Chick Corea Akoustic Band (with some lovely audience participation) - Spain Part1 / Part 2
posted by Greg_Ace at 5:27 PM on August 27, 2022


Throwing That Ass Back 1920's style, like great-great-grandma Ernestine (that slut).
posted by bartleby at 5:40 PM on August 27, 2022




my grandmother, a lot of our grandmothers, grew up in the Jazz age. my grandmother was in college at the height of the Jazz age and she was a music Major. she had a car in college this would have been 1925 and she drove her and her friends to a scheduled event and when she went home for the weekend, my great-grandfather called her outside and pointed up to the barn with some numbers on it in chalk and it was the odometer reading from the car and he asked her if she's gone anywhere and the usual story is that they went for a drive in which he probably did not believe but accepted in silence and of course we can just blame this all on one thing.
jazz.
posted by clavdivs at 7:42 PM on August 27, 2022 [3 favorites]


Damn you, Mingus!!


Just pitched this to dad as a memoir title.

Dad: "Yours or mine?"

Me: "Dad, are you on Metafilter?"
posted by thivaia at 8:42 PM on August 27, 2022 [5 favorites]


This Joint is Jumping.
posted by brookeb at 10:25 PM on August 27, 2022 [1 favorite]


One fine night
They leave the pool hall headin' for the dance at the Armory
Libertine men and scarlet women and RAGTIME!
posted by kyrademon at 7:55 AM on August 28, 2022 [2 favorites]


best part about this thread is everyone posting compositions/artists they enjoy

my life changed when I was introduced to Pharoah Sanders and "Karma." "Tauhid" is also pretty great.
posted by elkevelvet at 10:00 AM on August 28, 2022 [1 favorite]


'September in the Rain', Dinah Washington.
posted by clavdivs at 2:29 PM on August 28, 2022


But is thivaia's dad on Metafilter and if so is it because of jazz?

Or BICYCLES?
posted by clew at 2:45 PM on August 28, 2022


I'm not sure the undoubtedly lamentable legacy of Qutb's ideas can be blamed on his lack of a sexual experience or on jazz. If The Power of Nightmares tells us anything (and I think it might), it's that the increasing brutality of Islamism is related to Islamist leaders spending time in Egyptian torture chambers.

Progressive Rock largely came about because musicians who were enthusiastic jazz fans and players (Bill Bruford, Steve Howe, all of Soft Machine, parts of Van der Graaf Generator, swathes of 1969 King Crimson, many others) were Jazz fans who wanted to play rock music inspired by their heroes. So you can blame prog on jazz, too, if you feel like it. Personally, I don't think any blame is necessary.
posted by Grangousier at 2:55 PM on August 28, 2022 [1 favorite]


"Blame" or "credit" is in the ears that hear.
posted by Greg_Ace at 4:15 PM on August 28, 2022


But is thivaia's dad on Metafilter and if so is it because of jazz?

Or BICYCLES?


Honestly, it would be both.
posted by thivaia at 8:22 PM on August 28, 2022 [1 favorite]


Not your Dad, Thivaia. :-)
posted by hoodrich at 2:08 PM on August 29, 2022 [1 favorite]


because of jazz? Or BICYCLES?
From the porque no los dos file:
If consuming cannabis is smokin them 'jazz cigarettes'...what would a 'jazz bicycle' be?
posted by bartleby at 4:57 PM on August 29, 2022


E-fatbike with a Bluetooth speaker on the handlebars.
posted by box at 5:26 PM on August 29, 2022


If consuming cannabis is smokin them 'jazz cigarettes'...what would a 'jazz bicycle' be?

Reminds me of calling CBD "jazz aspirin."
posted by rhizome at 10:52 PM on August 29, 2022 [4 favorites]


what would a 'jazz bicycle' be?

any bicycle with Dexter Gordon riding it?
posted by elkevelvet at 7:01 AM on August 30, 2022 [1 favorite]


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