The rent is too damn low
September 26, 2022 3:34 AM Subscribe
Hello, gadders-about; welcome to Monday, where this poster will be living rent-free in your thread.
Please join me to mosey around, enjoy the luxe facilities, and chat freely — all utilities paid.
Please join me to mosey around, enjoy the luxe facilities, and chat freely — all utilities paid.
I'm just going to drop this here so I don't ruin the interesting particle physics FPP.
posted by mmoncur at 3:36 AM on September 26, 2022 [10 favorites]
hm. Sounds like a man who, in some sense, is not bound by an external force, or equivalently not in a region where his potential energy varies.
posted by taz at 3:40 AM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by taz at 3:40 AM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
Every sufficiently advanced particle man is indistinguishable from magic.
posted by flamewise at 3:54 AM on September 26, 2022 [4 favorites]
posted by flamewise at 3:54 AM on September 26, 2022 [4 favorites]
“What's he like? It's not important.”
I love it when songs make me laugh and that line lands perfectly. LOL
posted by whatevernot at 4:06 AM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
I love it when songs make me laugh and that line lands perfectly. LOL
posted by whatevernot at 4:06 AM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
>The rent is too damn low
Five dollars, same as in town.
posted by bitslayer at 4:14 AM on September 26, 2022 [2 favorites]
Five dollars, same as in town.
posted by bitslayer at 4:14 AM on September 26, 2022 [2 favorites]
The current "defining science fiction and fantasy" discourse on Twitter is winding down to shitposts, sensible takes, and pointing out how prejudice shows up in both (top posts search), but it reminded me of a fun old post on Making Light:
Say your book features a strange and powerful device, the Transnistrian Infundibulator;
"If the storyline is about the inception, interim difficulties, and eventual happy resolution of the relationship between the inventor of the Transnistrian Infundibulator and some nice young woman, it’s a romance.
If he’s a scholar studying the Transnistrian Infundibulator, she’s a governess, and his best fossil specimen of T. infundibulator falls out of his pocket during a reception at Almack’s, it’s a regency."
More definitions and a great comments thread (feat. mefi's own cstross) at the link.
Also, directions to knit an infundibulum.
posted by Shark Hat at 4:22 AM on September 26, 2022 [4 favorites]
Say your book features a strange and powerful device, the Transnistrian Infundibulator;
"If the storyline is about the inception, interim difficulties, and eventual happy resolution of the relationship between the inventor of the Transnistrian Infundibulator and some nice young woman, it’s a romance.
If he’s a scholar studying the Transnistrian Infundibulator, she’s a governess, and his best fossil specimen of T. infundibulator falls out of his pocket during a reception at Almack’s, it’s a regency."
More definitions and a great comments thread (feat. mefi's own cstross) at the link.
Also, directions to knit an infundibulum.
posted by Shark Hat at 4:22 AM on September 26, 2022 [4 favorites]
If the Transnistrian Infundibulator is used to restrain the nice young woman, it's erotica.
posted by taz at 4:28 AM on September 26, 2022 [2 favorites]
posted by taz at 4:28 AM on September 26, 2022 [2 favorites]
MetaFilter: but it's written by a literary author instead of a fantasy author
posted by Foosnark at 4:33 AM on September 26, 2022 [4 favorites]
posted by Foosnark at 4:33 AM on September 26, 2022 [4 favorites]
If the Transnistrian Infundibulator has a mesospectral quaternion flenser to efficiently bowdlerize the Markov chainsmoker, it's an encabulator video.
posted by Foosnark at 4:58 AM on September 26, 2022 [5 favorites]
posted by Foosnark at 4:58 AM on September 26, 2022 [5 favorites]
I fell out of bed this morning.
This thread is currently making me wonder if I am still unconscious and lying on the floor, dreaming it.
posted by mephron at 5:06 AM on September 26, 2022 [11 favorites]
This thread is currently making me wonder if I am still unconscious and lying on the floor, dreaming it.
posted by mephron at 5:06 AM on September 26, 2022 [11 favorites]
One of the great wonders of the modern world is people who exist, who retain catalogues of parts for obscure and specific machines, who accept orders, and will post you the parts across the world, promptly and reliably, for a really small amount of money. We don’t realise it but it’s true.
posted by Fiasco da Gama at 5:09 AM on September 26, 2022 [30 favorites]
posted by Fiasco da Gama at 5:09 AM on September 26, 2022 [30 favorites]
They Might Be Giants finally completed the local stop on their repeatedly rescheduled Flood 30th Anniversary Tour (COVID, then John F was in a car accident), so I got to hear Particle Man live recently. It was nice.
posted by zamboni at 5:13 AM on September 26, 2022 [15 favorites]
posted by zamboni at 5:13 AM on September 26, 2022 [15 favorites]
Just another day struggling with “incommensurable exclusivity.” Which is sort of the point. Not like, here, though, I think.
posted by rudster at 5:33 AM on September 26, 2022
posted by rudster at 5:33 AM on September 26, 2022
I can't quite get it together to put a Fanfare post up, and I think Fanfare posts ideally start kind of value-neutral to give commenters space to discuss without jumping in with a value judgment off the bat, but we watched the 1958 Dracula (Horror of Dracula in the 'States) last night and were amazed at how kind of... bad?... it was. Nothing remotely resembling suspense or horror, characters acting in baffling ways, tremendously leaden acting.
And it's not a "well, horror movies were different back then" thing -- the 1931 Dracula was wayyyy better; more atmospheric, more suspenseful, better-written, better-directed. Not scary by today's standards, but a legit work of spooky cinema.
This started me wondering when "well, when did we stop having 'horror movies were different then'" as an excuse for scary movies not to be scary? I think Hallowe'en was the demarcation point, for me at least, of the "modern" horror movie. It'd stand up if it was released today as a first-rate horror-thriller without needing any "back then" excuses to justify its existence.
Horror movie ruminations as I settle in for a Monday at work!
posted by Shepherd at 5:50 AM on September 26, 2022 [2 favorites]
And it's not a "well, horror movies were different back then" thing -- the 1931 Dracula was wayyyy better; more atmospheric, more suspenseful, better-written, better-directed. Not scary by today's standards, but a legit work of spooky cinema.
This started me wondering when "well, when did we stop having 'horror movies were different then'" as an excuse for scary movies not to be scary? I think Hallowe'en was the demarcation point, for me at least, of the "modern" horror movie. It'd stand up if it was released today as a first-rate horror-thriller without needing any "back then" excuses to justify its existence.
Horror movie ruminations as I settle in for a Monday at work!
posted by Shepherd at 5:50 AM on September 26, 2022 [2 favorites]
On Saturday I volunteered at my town's community farm harvest festival. I sold tickets for hay rides and pony rides. I thought this job would be better than the three previous years, when I worked in the parking lot.
Apparently ponies, like child actors, work very limited shifts, so we had to stop selling pony ride tickets very early. Delivering this news made parents grumpy and children literally cry. But then they said we could sell more tickets -- hurray! But almost immediately, as word got out and the line grew again, we ran out.
Jesus, the tears: I can't wait to work the parking lot again next year, or maybe clean out the porta-johns.
In other news, the next day I got to watch my two sons play ultimate frisbee against each others' college. My older son is more competitive, and he happily set up a three-school tournament in order to have a chance to beat his younger brother. But there wasn't much rough stuff, and they posed for a photo with their mom, and it was worth the drive & the rain. (For the record, the third school beat them both handily, which kept a lid on the gloating.)
posted by wenestvedt at 5:52 AM on September 26, 2022 [6 favorites]
Apparently ponies, like child actors, work very limited shifts, so we had to stop selling pony ride tickets very early. Delivering this news made parents grumpy and children literally cry. But then they said we could sell more tickets -- hurray! But almost immediately, as word got out and the line grew again, we ran out.
Jesus, the tears: I can't wait to work the parking lot again next year, or maybe clean out the porta-johns.
In other news, the next day I got to watch my two sons play ultimate frisbee against each others' college. My older son is more competitive, and he happily set up a three-school tournament in order to have a chance to beat his younger brother. But there wasn't much rough stuff, and they posed for a photo with their mom, and it was worth the drive & the rain. (For the record, the third school beat them both handily, which kept a lid on the gloating.)
posted by wenestvedt at 5:52 AM on September 26, 2022 [6 favorites]
The phrase "Zone of Uncertainty" is back in the local news, always struck me as a Cannon Films-esque set up.
posted by djseafood at 6:35 AM on September 26, 2022
posted by djseafood at 6:35 AM on September 26, 2022
and I think Fanfare posts ideally start kind of value-neutral to give commenters space to discuss without jumping in with a value judgment off the bat
Maybe, but.. I'm really bummed about how many Fanfare movie posts are just the IMDB blurb and that's.. it. IMDB and Wikipedia already exist if I want to look up random movies. I wish more people would post SOMETHING to go along with the movie post, about why they care or think it's interesting; else why bother to post at all?
So: I'm wayyyy more interested in this bad movie you watched because you told me it was bad, and encourage this!
I'd love it if there was no news this week. Just, like, a quiet chill week. Maybe?
posted by curious nu at 6:38 AM on September 26, 2022
Maybe, but.. I'm really bummed about how many Fanfare movie posts are just the IMDB blurb and that's.. it. IMDB and Wikipedia already exist if I want to look up random movies. I wish more people would post SOMETHING to go along with the movie post, about why they care or think it's interesting; else why bother to post at all?
So: I'm wayyyy more interested in this bad movie you watched because you told me it was bad, and encourage this!
I'd love it if there was no news this week. Just, like, a quiet chill week. Maybe?
posted by curious nu at 6:38 AM on September 26, 2022
Snort, from the twitter link Shark Hat posted:
@neilkleid
Science fiction is when I get a laser burn on a finger. Fantasy is when you fall into an open orc pit and die.
posted by Orange Dinosaur Slide at 6:50 AM on September 26, 2022 [4 favorites]
@neilkleid
Science fiction is when I get a laser burn on a finger. Fantasy is when you fall into an open orc pit and die.
posted by Orange Dinosaur Slide at 6:50 AM on September 26, 2022 [4 favorites]
I have a new nightmare: flock of sheep lose their shepherd and follow bemused trail runner through the woods instead.
posted by TheophileEscargot at 7:08 AM on September 26, 2022 [14 favorites]
posted by TheophileEscargot at 7:08 AM on September 26, 2022 [14 favorites]
This started me wondering when "well, when did we stop having 'horror movies were different then'" as an excuse for scary movies not to be scary?
Way back when Fanfare was new, dirtyoldtown ran a horror movie club where we watched a bunch of these like atmospheric proto-horror movies. It was several years ago so I don't remember well now, but it was definitely interesting.
I'm really bummed about how many Fanfare movie posts are just the IMDB blurb and that's.. it.
I, and I think others, kind of split the difference and make a value neutral post but then immediately comment on it with our ideas. I, personally, kind of like that method.
posted by Literaryhero at 7:14 AM on September 26, 2022 [4 favorites]
Way back when Fanfare was new, dirtyoldtown ran a horror movie club where we watched a bunch of these like atmospheric proto-horror movies. It was several years ago so I don't remember well now, but it was definitely interesting.
I'm really bummed about how many Fanfare movie posts are just the IMDB blurb and that's.. it.
I, and I think others, kind of split the difference and make a value neutral post but then immediately comment on it with our ideas. I, personally, kind of like that method.
posted by Literaryhero at 7:14 AM on September 26, 2022 [4 favorites]
My daughter has been into sewing and embroidery for a few years. When I saw this post, I thought, "Free thread? She wishes!"
posted by Ickster at 7:23 AM on September 26, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by Ickster at 7:23 AM on September 26, 2022 [3 favorites]
Apparently ponies, like child actors, work very limited shifts
It wasn't always so: pit ponies. Don't begrudge them a break now.
posted by SPrintF at 7:47 AM on September 26, 2022 [3 favorites]
It wasn't always so: pit ponies. Don't begrudge them a break now.
posted by SPrintF at 7:47 AM on September 26, 2022 [3 favorites]
Shepherd: reading Dracula Daily really brings to the fore how much the adaptations of Dracula differ from the novel. Characterizations and names were shuffled all around, and they left a whole-ass cowboy on the table! Of all the things for dramaturges to do. All this seems mostly for the worse to us now, but it must have been effective at the time.
posted by Countess Elena at 8:29 AM on September 26, 2022 [2 favorites]
posted by Countess Elena at 8:29 AM on September 26, 2022 [2 favorites]
One of the Dracula movies was filmed in English and Spanish at the same time, with different casts and crews. I'm told that the Spanish version's far superior, except for Dracula himself. Maybe that's the 1958 version?
I read a horror discussion elsewhere, and someone recommended "Terrortory 2," even though it wasn't that scary. I watched it, and it's sort of a dark fantasy anthology. It's not that scary, but it's still really cool.
Meanwhile, the cost of my blood sugar sensors went from free to $75. After talking to the insurance folks, it'll go back down, if the doctor's office will call them. Getting the office to make that call's taken over a week now.
posted by Spike Glee at 9:16 AM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
I read a horror discussion elsewhere, and someone recommended "Terrortory 2," even though it wasn't that scary. I watched it, and it's sort of a dark fantasy anthology. It's not that scary, but it's still really cool.
Meanwhile, the cost of my blood sugar sensors went from free to $75. After talking to the insurance folks, it'll go back down, if the doctor's office will call them. Getting the office to make that call's taken over a week now.
posted by Spike Glee at 9:16 AM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
are there any trivia players out there? because I had some questions handed to me about a week ago for a community trivia night and one of the questions was "In what country was dance invented" and among the four possible answers, the correct answer is Greece.
I don't know what to do with that, it's possibly the worst trivia question I've seen in memory
posted by elkevelvet at 9:30 AM on September 26, 2022 [8 favorites]
I don't know what to do with that, it's possibly the worst trivia question I've seen in memory
posted by elkevelvet at 9:30 AM on September 26, 2022 [8 favorites]
It was the 1931 Bela Lugosi "Dracula" (aka the Dracula movie that everyone should think of) that was shot simultaneously in English and Spanish. The spanish version Drácula was shot at night and was far racier and explicit.
And everything was invented in greece and windex will cure anything.
posted by drewbage1847 at 9:32 AM on September 26, 2022 [3 favorites]
And everything was invented in greece and windex will cure anything.
posted by drewbage1847 at 9:32 AM on September 26, 2022 [3 favorites]
I just saw a couple walking their 3 dogs. All 3 the dogs were missing one of their legs. The dogs were all over the moon happy and excited, running to retrieve balls the owners threw for them.
Nice to see.
posted by Zumbador at 9:46 AM on September 26, 2022 [12 favorites]
Nice to see.
posted by Zumbador at 9:46 AM on September 26, 2022 [12 favorites]
Any recommendations for higher-end, quality walking shoes?
No On Clouds or Allbirds, thank you very much [makes annoying inhale-with-lower-lip-touching-upper-teeth sound].
posted by coolxcool=rad at 10:01 AM on September 26, 2022
No On Clouds or Allbirds, thank you very much [makes annoying inhale-with-lower-lip-touching-upper-teeth sound].
posted by coolxcool=rad at 10:01 AM on September 26, 2022
I was this many days old when I learned that Mehran Karimi Nasseri, the guy who famously lived in Charles de Gaulle airport for a little shy of eighteen years, only holds the bronze medal in the rankings.
Why, yes, there is a Wikipedia page titled, "List of people who have lived in airports."
posted by ricochet biscuit at 10:28 AM on September 26, 2022 [6 favorites]
Why, yes, there is a Wikipedia page titled, "List of people who have lived in airports."
posted by ricochet biscuit at 10:28 AM on September 26, 2022 [6 favorites]
So nice to come home from a very long and complicated day to a free thread. (Waves)
Normally, I start the day with breakfast, the news, and wordle (in English and Danish) to test the day's form. But today someone called me at 8AM, and I neither read the news or solved the puzzles. Not good for my mental health.
Then I had the first meeting with a new therapist. Probably long term good for mental health, but absolutely not short term.
And then to work. I wish I could have taken the day off.
But then there is this (embraces this room) Hi y'all. You are good.
posted by mumimor at 10:32 AM on September 26, 2022 [8 favorites]
Normally, I start the day with breakfast, the news, and wordle (in English and Danish) to test the day's form. But today someone called me at 8AM, and I neither read the news or solved the puzzles. Not good for my mental health.
Then I had the first meeting with a new therapist. Probably long term good for mental health, but absolutely not short term.
And then to work. I wish I could have taken the day off.
But then there is this (embraces this room) Hi y'all. You are good.
posted by mumimor at 10:32 AM on September 26, 2022 [8 favorites]
Hi mumimor!
Hi, other MeFites! 👋☺️
posted by Too-Ticky at 10:42 AM on September 26, 2022 [7 favorites]
Hi, other MeFites! 👋☺️
posted by Too-Ticky at 10:42 AM on September 26, 2022 [7 favorites]
Came home from a very stressful weekend that included odd family dynamics on one side and an appendectomy on another to Wilco’s Yankee Hotel Foxtrot 20th anniversary vinyl collection I splurged on and ordered months ago. It’s been a very good way to decompress today.
posted by glaucon at 11:10 AM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by glaucon at 11:10 AM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
It seemed to potentially present pitfalls as a dedicated post, nonetheless I wanted to share some news that made me smile, about Jeremy Corbyn supporting charitable work whilst combatting the legacy of Margaret Thatcher.
posted by protorp at 12:19 PM on September 26, 2022
posted by protorp at 12:19 PM on September 26, 2022
If the Transnistrian Infundibulator is used to restrain the nice young woman, it's erotica.
Lol. Totally came across my desk as complaint to university. Girl all bound and trussed up hanging from the ceiling, nice B/W shot. Pass, free speech, art school, portfolio material, fuck off it is fine and it stays. Next breath ban hammering student trying to sell Pokemon cards or something, misappropriation of university computing resources for personal gain, get your own ISP for that stuff. Oh, it's a class project is it? We have paperwork for your teacher to fill out. No you can't plug in your own switch/wifi, PLONK! Oh, robotics lab and you know what you're doing... exemption and file a case, we have paperwork for that.
I only ever lost once, went all the way up to the President's Office, big donor's special snowflake got special treatment with kid gloves, daddy's buying a new building. They got that top-tier reserved for things like the 24/7 streaming radio station or the hospital. Damn entitled helicopter parents special snowflakes.
posted by zengargoyle at 1:31 PM on September 26, 2022 [2 favorites]
Lol. Totally came across my desk as complaint to university. Girl all bound and trussed up hanging from the ceiling, nice B/W shot. Pass, free speech, art school, portfolio material, fuck off it is fine and it stays. Next breath ban hammering student trying to sell Pokemon cards or something, misappropriation of university computing resources for personal gain, get your own ISP for that stuff. Oh, it's a class project is it? We have paperwork for your teacher to fill out. No you can't plug in your own switch/wifi, PLONK! Oh, robotics lab and you know what you're doing... exemption and file a case, we have paperwork for that.
I only ever lost once, went all the way up to the President's Office, big donor's special snowflake got special treatment with kid gloves, daddy's buying a new building. They got that top-tier reserved for things like the 24/7 streaming radio station or the hospital. Damn entitled helicopter parents special snowflakes.
posted by zengargoyle at 1:31 PM on September 26, 2022 [2 favorites]
I woke up to a super awful, racist rant about my neighborhood on my alderman's social media and it just put the whole day on the back foot. He made a point of noting that he doesn't even live here, he just rode his expensive bike through it on his way back to his million dollar house one ward over, and had his day all ruined by people's insistence on being poor and non-English speaking in public.
It got to me because the city as a whole is currently a punching bag for the right wing nationwide, and I'm really fuckin' sick of hearing people from, like, Nebraska Village Population 625 who've never even visited here talk about what a shithole it is. And also because my dudes, this neighborhood is fucking DOPE. The people here are kind and friendly, they are raising their families in these old-ass buildings, they are owners of small businesses that have been around since I was a tiny baby. I'm going broke eating all of the amazing food on offer. We're flush with trains and buses at a density a lot of the rest of the city lacks. (They don't run, because a lot of mostly-white voters refuse to fund them, but still.)
Ironically I've only lived in this neighborhood for a few months -- I fled Captain Fuckcycle's fancypants neighborhood because I was sick of living around people who resented my very existence as a mere middle-class renter without a car.
Anyway, I'm trying to just feel pity that Captain Fuckcycle will never know the joy of truly the best kebab in the city because he's too stupid and racist to find it. But it is slow in coming, today.
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 1:37 PM on September 26, 2022 [11 favorites]
It got to me because the city as a whole is currently a punching bag for the right wing nationwide, and I'm really fuckin' sick of hearing people from, like, Nebraska Village Population 625 who've never even visited here talk about what a shithole it is. And also because my dudes, this neighborhood is fucking DOPE. The people here are kind and friendly, they are raising their families in these old-ass buildings, they are owners of small businesses that have been around since I was a tiny baby. I'm going broke eating all of the amazing food on offer. We're flush with trains and buses at a density a lot of the rest of the city lacks. (They don't run, because a lot of mostly-white voters refuse to fund them, but still.)
Ironically I've only lived in this neighborhood for a few months -- I fled Captain Fuckcycle's fancypants neighborhood because I was sick of living around people who resented my very existence as a mere middle-class renter without a car.
Anyway, I'm trying to just feel pity that Captain Fuckcycle will never know the joy of truly the best kebab in the city because he's too stupid and racist to find it. But it is slow in coming, today.
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 1:37 PM on September 26, 2022 [11 favorites]
(also how is it that Frank Zappa never made an album called Captain Fuckcycle's Fancypants Neighborhood)
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 1:37 PM on September 26, 2022 [6 favorites]
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 1:37 PM on September 26, 2022 [6 favorites]
Before I go to bed, food for thought from the Guardian: Claudia Roden: 20 of her best recipes from a 50-year career
posted by mumimor at 1:43 PM on September 26, 2022
posted by mumimor at 1:43 PM on September 26, 2022
Note to self, when your TPMS warning light is lit up, don't pull over at the gas station on your way home from work and top of the three tires that look like they maybe could be flat. Do all four. Because that light is just going to turn on again before you get home, and sure enough, #4 looks like it might be a little low.
posted by Foosnark at 2:24 PM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by Foosnark at 2:24 PM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
And grand story deleted. Metafilter can be so fickle.
posted by zengargoyle at 2:26 PM on September 26, 2022
posted by zengargoyle at 2:26 PM on September 26, 2022
Somehow even my true lived experience stories get flagged or piss off the mods and get nuked. It's strange to me that even in the free-ist of threads I can't even just tell the truth. Seems like everybody else does. I pretty much never lie, it's too much hassle. Four noble truths and eight fold path. It should be obvious when I'm just goofing off. The rest is just true. I just have a mind/brain that connects things together like that.
Hope that those that saw the story enjoyed it. It it was true.
posted by zengargoyle at 2:45 PM on September 26, 2022 [3 favorites]
Hope that those that saw the story enjoyed it. It it was true.
posted by zengargoyle at 2:45 PM on September 26, 2022 [3 favorites]
I saw your story, zengargoyle, and enjoyed it muchly. And its deletion is a harm to the discourse here.
posted by hippybear at 2:50 PM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by hippybear at 2:50 PM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
No worries hippybear, I just flagged responses that should also be deleted if the story was deleted out of a tiny bit of rage! But for reasons much varied, "leave it in the lap of the mods".
But thanks, I do appreciate your opinions from long learned mutual appreciation.
posted by zengargoyle at 2:57 PM on September 26, 2022
But thanks, I do appreciate your opinions from long learned mutual appreciation.
posted by zengargoyle at 2:57 PM on September 26, 2022
Ah well, starting yet another period of unemployment. The company that bought my employer didn't understand how to make it profitable.
posted by scruss at 3:32 PM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by scruss at 3:32 PM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
Getting on toward time to read in bed now. Daughter is almost back from school and mrs. kingless is resting easy. Take it easy, everyone.
posted by kingless at 5:08 PM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by kingless at 5:08 PM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
I missed the inclusion of the confetti cannon during James K. Polk, but we got Particle Man, a rousing rendition of Istanbul (Not Constantinople) and a lively Dr. Worm to close out the Sept 23 show.
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 5:13 PM on September 26, 2022 [2 favorites]
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 5:13 PM on September 26, 2022 [2 favorites]
Oh yeah, and kiddo convinced us to watch the DART mission this evening. It was WAY cool.
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 5:16 PM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 5:16 PM on September 26, 2022 [1 favorite]
I took a mental health day off from work to sleep the hell in. I only get about an hour for meals a day and then otherwise I'm busy AF with a show on weekends and another rehearsing, so this was about my only time to get some sleep and get stuff done, like cleaning up the closet and doing some writeups. God, that helped.
I just saw a couple walking their 3 dogs. All 3 the dogs were missing one of their legs.
Did they answer to the names of Lucky, Luckier, and Luckiest? (I can't resist.)
I'd love it if there was no news this week. Just, like, a quiet chill week. Maybe?
It's the 2020's, man. I don't know what to tell you.
posted by jenfullmoon at 5:45 PM on September 26, 2022 [5 favorites]
I just saw a couple walking their 3 dogs. All 3 the dogs were missing one of their legs.
Did they answer to the names of Lucky, Luckier, and Luckiest? (I can't resist.)
I'd love it if there was no news this week. Just, like, a quiet chill week. Maybe?
It's the 2020's, man. I don't know what to tell you.
posted by jenfullmoon at 5:45 PM on September 26, 2022 [5 favorites]
the inclusion of the confetti cannon during James K. Polk
I was at a TMBG show early in a tour run where they were still working out the kinks with the confetti cannons. Shooting confetti high into the air is fine, but true entertainment is watching confetti feebly clear the edge of the stage, covering the first couple of rows with drifts of shredded paper.
posted by zamboni at 6:29 PM on September 26, 2022 [4 favorites]
I was at a TMBG show early in a tour run where they were still working out the kinks with the confetti cannons. Shooting confetti high into the air is fine, but true entertainment is watching confetti feebly clear the edge of the stage, covering the first couple of rows with drifts of shredded paper.
posted by zamboni at 6:29 PM on September 26, 2022 [4 favorites]
Long time TMBG fans might be interested in the fact that the person singing "Dr. Sex" in this song (sorry, Spotify link, starting around 8 mins or so) is their somewhat long time drummer Marty Beller.
posted by mollweide at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2022
posted by mollweide at 7:37 PM on September 26, 2022
posted by 4 ¾ hours ago.
is, or rather has ¾ always been there?
posted by clavdivs at 7:43 PM on September 26, 2022
is, or rather has ¾ always been there?
posted by clavdivs at 7:43 PM on September 26, 2022
hehe....
posted by zengargoyle at 11:41 PM on September 26, 2022
$ raku -e 'say 3 * ½' 1.5 $ raku -e 'say (3 * ½).nude' (3 2) $ raku -e 'say 1/3 + 2/3' 1 $ raku -e 'say (1/3 + 2/3).nude' (1 1) $ raku -e 'say ¾+¾' 1.5 $ raku -e 'say (¾+¾).nude' (3 2)Suck it Python. Raku has nethack like everything down to kicking the sink! Surely you don't think they spent that much time Duke Nukem to put out crap. Raku can be BASIC, or LISP, or APL, or Haskell. It's terribly nice once you get used to it.
posted by zengargoyle at 11:41 PM on September 26, 2022
There’s a very good Spotify playlist called Going to Brooklyn that pairs They Might Be Giants songs with equivalent Mountain Goats songs (Particle Man : The Legend of Chavo Guerrero)
posted by slightlybewildered at 12:38 AM on September 27, 2022
posted by slightlybewildered at 12:38 AM on September 27, 2022
I woke up to a super awful, racist rant about my neighborhood on my alderman's social media and it just put the whole day on the back foot. He made a point of noting that he doesn't even live here, he just rode his expensive bike through it on his way back to his million dollar house one ward over, and had his day all ruined by people's insistence on being poor and non-English speaking in public.
I saw this yesterday and it made me chuckle.
@BadBoyCroy Sep 25
"The funniest alpha white male trait in America right now is being proudly afraid of all American cities."
posted by srboisvert at 4:10 AM on September 27, 2022 [7 favorites]
I saw this yesterday and it made me chuckle.
@BadBoyCroy Sep 25
"The funniest alpha white male trait in America right now is being proudly afraid of all American cities."
posted by srboisvert at 4:10 AM on September 27, 2022 [7 favorites]
Is someone going to make a Giorgia Meloni post? An open fascist being elected PM of Italy is pretty horrifying.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:09 AM on September 27, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:09 AM on September 27, 2022 [3 favorites]
If anyone else is making an effort to drink less/not at all, I came across a brand of non-alcoholic beer that is shockingly decent, and comes in varieties like IPA, Oktoberfest, Gose, and Blonde. They're only 10-30 calories each and a few carbs. Binny's here in Chicagoland has them and they're $8 for a six pack. The brand is Partake.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:55 AM on September 27, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 6:55 AM on September 27, 2022 [3 favorites]
I just collected my new little female rat from the small animal rescue group. She's so pretty! She's also still scared of me, she let out a tiny little squeak when I picked her up.
I'm keeping her seperate from the rest of my gang until she settles down a bit.
I was planning to call her Tonks but now that I've met her, I'm not sure it fits. She's very curious and active, but very gentle and delicate as well.
posted by Zumbador at 6:57 AM on September 27, 2022 [3 favorites]
I'm keeping her seperate from the rest of my gang until she settles down a bit.
I was planning to call her Tonks but now that I've met her, I'm not sure it fits. She's very curious and active, but very gentle and delicate as well.
posted by Zumbador at 6:57 AM on September 27, 2022 [3 favorites]
Thank you, DirtyOldTown. Great timing. I’ve been getting horrendous anxiety and negative self-talk after going out and am focusing on drinking reduction for better mental health. I’ll check those out!
posted by glaucon at 7:35 AM on September 27, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by glaucon at 7:35 AM on September 27, 2022 [1 favorite]
Housemate down with Covid today. I'm still negative, let's see how well that holds up. I mean, she tested negative yesterday, after all.
posted by notoriety public at 8:45 AM on September 27, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by notoriety public at 8:45 AM on September 27, 2022 [1 favorite]
I had one of my Organizing Dreams last night, which is never conducive to a tranquil night's sleep. In these dreams I'm going through a huge chaotic mess and trying to sort/pack/categorize the important items, sometimes while also being required to do another task. Last night it was separating out my + my son's belongings from mounds of random stuff filling multiple large rooms, while also helping to prep food for a big holiday dinner.
My subconscious dreaming brain is, of course, terrible at all of those things, so I end up just randomly wandering back and forth ineffectually picking at piles. This results in a sense of frustration and anxiety throughout the dream. Waking up, dragging myself out of bed and going to work seems like a restful prospect in comparison.
posted by Greg_Ace at 8:54 AM on September 27, 2022 [2 favorites]
My subconscious dreaming brain is, of course, terrible at all of those things, so I end up just randomly wandering back and forth ineffectually picking at piles. This results in a sense of frustration and anxiety throughout the dream. Waking up, dragging myself out of bed and going to work seems like a restful prospect in comparison.
posted by Greg_Ace at 8:54 AM on September 27, 2022 [2 favorites]
DirtyOldTown - I would also heavily recommend the NA beers from Athletic. They've been growing fast with a brewery on both coasts. They just jumped into the #27 spot of the BrewersAssociations Top 50 Craft Breweries. But my favorite NA drink has been the Lagunitas HOP Refresher.
I'm starting to be worried that my old man, the 18 year old Time Traveling Assassin Chihuahua, is reaching his last. He took a tumble off the bed the other day and is stiffer than normal and seems to be a bit more "slower/vague" in terms of being present. He's still my lovable pain in the butt and my wife is the apple of his eye. My hope is that he bounces back and keeps chugging along. We adopted him when he was 5 from a shelter that was really worried he'd bite my wife when she went in to give him a kiss, instead he licked her nose. (that's when I knew I was getting my first Chihuahua, even though I wanted Maurice the very chatty cat)
posted by drewbage1847 at 9:10 AM on September 27, 2022 [4 favorites]
I'm starting to be worried that my old man, the 18 year old Time Traveling Assassin Chihuahua, is reaching his last. He took a tumble off the bed the other day and is stiffer than normal and seems to be a bit more "slower/vague" in terms of being present. He's still my lovable pain in the butt and my wife is the apple of his eye. My hope is that he bounces back and keeps chugging along. We adopted him when he was 5 from a shelter that was really worried he'd bite my wife when she went in to give him a kiss, instead he licked her nose. (that's when I knew I was getting my first Chihuahua, even though I wanted Maurice the very chatty cat)
posted by drewbage1847 at 9:10 AM on September 27, 2022 [4 favorites]
I am sending out anti-COVID, pro-pet health energy to all of you and all of yourn.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:18 AM on September 27, 2022 [5 favorites]
posted by DirtyOldTown at 9:18 AM on September 27, 2022 [5 favorites]
Thanks DOT!
Also, I forgot to pay the dog tax - Hugo on the left, Old man Sam on the right
posted by drewbage1847 at 9:34 AM on September 27, 2022 [3 favorites]
Also, I forgot to pay the dog tax - Hugo on the left, Old man Sam on the right
posted by drewbage1847 at 9:34 AM on September 27, 2022 [3 favorites]
Okay, I just crossed that line in my head that divides "maybe contemplate looking for a new job" to "that's it, I'm done and checked out. Time to update the resume."
What caused this sudden shift, you may ask? Let me tell you.
My boss can't give a straight answer if their life depends on it. If my boss decides to answer a question at all, which doesn't happen very often, the response is usually some cryptic reply that is impossible to decipher. This is evident both in person and in electronic communication (email and instant messaging). It's frustrating, but I've learned to deal with it.
I have a question about our current project. Normally, I'd go to the person one rung below them because said person a) answers questions and b) is actually in charge of the day-to-day aspect of the situation. Sadly, that person is out of the office, which means my boss is the only one who could answer it.
Instead of messaging our entire group and asking my question, I messaged my boss directly, and the response. I just got my hand slapped for making it a one-on-one approach. No answer to the question, just a rebuke about how I use our messaging platform.
I suspect my boss thinks I'm trying to weasel some extra privilege for my part of the project, which, to be fair, I kind of am, but it's to the benefit of the project as a whole, and it's not a decision I can make by myself. I was just trying to scope out the parameters of whether my request is in any way physically feasible before I officially made it. I'm not doing it on the sly. I'd be happy to discuss the situation with the whole group. I just wanted to know where we stand first to know if there is any room for movement.
Either way, I feel my boss' response was really uncalled for, and it's just the last straw on the camel's back. Crap. I hate writing resumes and cover letters.
posted by sardonyx at 10:02 AM on September 27, 2022 [5 favorites]
What caused this sudden shift, you may ask? Let me tell you.
My boss can't give a straight answer if their life depends on it. If my boss decides to answer a question at all, which doesn't happen very often, the response is usually some cryptic reply that is impossible to decipher. This is evident both in person and in electronic communication (email and instant messaging). It's frustrating, but I've learned to deal with it.
I have a question about our current project. Normally, I'd go to the person one rung below them because said person a) answers questions and b) is actually in charge of the day-to-day aspect of the situation. Sadly, that person is out of the office, which means my boss is the only one who could answer it.
Instead of messaging our entire group and asking my question, I messaged my boss directly, and the response. I just got my hand slapped for making it a one-on-one approach. No answer to the question, just a rebuke about how I use our messaging platform.
I suspect my boss thinks I'm trying to weasel some extra privilege for my part of the project, which, to be fair, I kind of am, but it's to the benefit of the project as a whole, and it's not a decision I can make by myself. I was just trying to scope out the parameters of whether my request is in any way physically feasible before I officially made it. I'm not doing it on the sly. I'd be happy to discuss the situation with the whole group. I just wanted to know where we stand first to know if there is any room for movement.
Either way, I feel my boss' response was really uncalled for, and it's just the last straw on the camel's back. Crap. I hate writing resumes and cover letters.
posted by sardonyx at 10:02 AM on September 27, 2022 [5 favorites]
Another long day. But then minestrone. I wish I could send it to all of you, 'cause it warms everything, including the heart.
posted by mumimor at 11:08 AM on September 27, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by mumimor at 11:08 AM on September 27, 2022 [3 favorites]
So, ever do one of those Choose Your Own Adventure games online (or something like that, it's not a book where you can just find the page and read it already, is what I am saying) and you are trying to find EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE OPTION and on your second time doing it you managed to find The Darkest Timeline and you could only pick one option and you really want to know what happens if you pick the other option? And then you click through it SIX BILLION FUCKING TIMES OVER AND OVER AGAIN ALL DAY LONG AND IT WILL NOT PUT YOU BACK TO THE DARKEST TIMELINE OPTION? All it gives me is "happy ending!" over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Which would be great IRL, I suppose (except given the subject matter I am severely doubtful that "happy ending!" is legitimate, which is another thing giving me the heebie-jeebies about this as is), but there's no way for me to just see ALL the ending options to find out what happens if I pick the other selection and DAMMIT ALL I GET IS HAPPY ENDING OVER AND OVER AGAIN THIS JUST DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT.
posted by jenfullmoon at 4:01 PM on September 27, 2022
Which would be great IRL, I suppose (except given the subject matter I am severely doubtful that "happy ending!" is legitimate, which is another thing giving me the heebie-jeebies about this as is), but there's no way for me to just see ALL the ending options to find out what happens if I pick the other selection and DAMMIT ALL I GET IS HAPPY ENDING OVER AND OVER AGAIN THIS JUST DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT.
posted by jenfullmoon at 4:01 PM on September 27, 2022
So sorry to hear that, sardonyx! May your next place appreciate you more.
jenfullmoon, maybe the thing is setup so that a person only gets the darkest timeline once. Maybe it thought it was doing you a favor! Sounds frustrating though. Maybe you could get someone else to try to get there from a different login?
posted by Glinn at 4:08 PM on September 27, 2022 [1 favorite]
jenfullmoon, maybe the thing is setup so that a person only gets the darkest timeline once. Maybe it thought it was doing you a favor! Sounds frustrating though. Maybe you could get someone else to try to get there from a different login?
posted by Glinn at 4:08 PM on September 27, 2022 [1 favorite]
DAMMIT ALL I GET IS HAPPY ENDING OVER AND OVER AGAIN THIS JUST DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT.
I'd check your bank account. It might have been charged $20 every time.
posted by hippybear at 4:15 PM on September 27, 2022 [3 favorites]
I'd check your bank account. It might have been charged $20 every time.
posted by hippybear at 4:15 PM on September 27, 2022 [3 favorites]
LOLOLOLOL, hippybear.
posted by jenfullmoon at 4:17 PM on September 27, 2022
posted by jenfullmoon at 4:17 PM on September 27, 2022
Actually, restarting the "game" entirely DID help and put me back on the darkest timeline, so I finally saw what happens at the end of that. I have now copied/saved the entire text from this thing if anyone else wants to be a completist and read it.
For those wondering, it's this NYT "here's what it's like to treat depression as a doctor" walk through. Spoiler alert: therapy isn't really an option on your insurance and what you can get doesn't do much, your only option is to take pills, and almost all of the time you get "the medication helps!" either on the first or second try. Unless you get the darkest timeline option, in which nothing you try works, everything you try makes it worse, and the patient either moves on to a more extensive treatment farther away and you never know what happens to them, or is depressed AND pissed off, realizes nothing is going to work, and gives up trying to get any medical help.
...I know, a lot of people take the pills and it works even if nobody has any idea why they work, but I've always had the sneaking suspicion that I'd be the darkest timeline person and that this is not a roller coaster/game I want to hop on when it could make things worse, especially when I am high functioning, just hate being me and living my life as not being what anybody wants out of me. (Which, is that really depression, or just not fitting with the world?) I note that I did get evaluated by a so-called medical professional this year and they did not consider me diagnosable with anything, so "take the pills" wasn't even given as an option, and I admit I'm relieved at that after some of the stories I've heard (someone I know was literally bedridden for months on the wrong psychiatric medication) or read lately. "Pig in a poke" and "just try it and see!" continues to give me the absolute willies no matter how many times people try to convince me otherwise. I may have gotten, "The medication helped! He's able to leave his bed and do his hobbies again!" on this game a literal million times today, but there sure are a lot of messages about relapsing as well.
Mental health care in the 2020's still just doesn't seem to be very good and I continue to just not be sold on the very few options out there.
posted by jenfullmoon at 4:55 PM on September 27, 2022 [3 favorites]
For those wondering, it's this NYT "here's what it's like to treat depression as a doctor" walk through. Spoiler alert: therapy isn't really an option on your insurance and what you can get doesn't do much, your only option is to take pills, and almost all of the time you get "the medication helps!" either on the first or second try. Unless you get the darkest timeline option, in which nothing you try works, everything you try makes it worse, and the patient either moves on to a more extensive treatment farther away and you never know what happens to them, or is depressed AND pissed off, realizes nothing is going to work, and gives up trying to get any medical help.
...I know, a lot of people take the pills and it works even if nobody has any idea why they work, but I've always had the sneaking suspicion that I'd be the darkest timeline person and that this is not a roller coaster/game I want to hop on when it could make things worse, especially when I am high functioning, just hate being me and living my life as not being what anybody wants out of me. (Which, is that really depression, or just not fitting with the world?) I note that I did get evaluated by a so-called medical professional this year and they did not consider me diagnosable with anything, so "take the pills" wasn't even given as an option, and I admit I'm relieved at that after some of the stories I've heard (someone I know was literally bedridden for months on the wrong psychiatric medication) or read lately. "Pig in a poke" and "just try it and see!" continues to give me the absolute willies no matter how many times people try to convince me otherwise. I may have gotten, "The medication helped! He's able to leave his bed and do his hobbies again!" on this game a literal million times today, but there sure are a lot of messages about relapsing as well.
Mental health care in the 2020's still just doesn't seem to be very good and I continue to just not be sold on the very few options out there.
posted by jenfullmoon at 4:55 PM on September 27, 2022 [3 favorites]
Despite the job loss, I did make this, which has made a lot of people on mltshp (and at least one person in Philly) happy: Western Union Telephone Co access hatch clock by scruss
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Is it still desperately slow? I tried it for a bit when it was still called Perl 6, and it was unusably slow and confusingly unlike Perl. It seems to be a stunt language with little practical application
posted by scruss at 5:42 PM on September 27, 2022 [2 favorites]
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Raku ... terribly nice once you get used to it.
Is it still desperately slow? I tried it for a bit when it was still called Perl 6, and it was unusably slow and confusingly unlike Perl. It seems to be a stunt language with little practical application
posted by scruss at 5:42 PM on September 27, 2022 [2 favorites]
orange blossom special on hee haw with roy clark and a very young jimmy henley
posted by pyramid termite at 6:15 PM on September 27, 2022 [4 favorites]
posted by pyramid termite at 6:15 PM on September 27, 2022 [4 favorites]
jenfullmoon:Big hugs to you. You're wonderful like you are, and screw the world if it can't figure that out!
Glinn: Thanks. I suspect I'll be at the job for a while yet. I kind of missed the big hiring boom that was going on in my industry (and more importantly, at my level) eight to twelve months ago. I kept looking at postings but I thought I needed to put in a bit more time at my current job, just to have a recent, longer-term one on paper. As per usual when it comes to me making decisions about my career, I suspect that was a mistake.
posted by sardonyx at 6:29 PM on September 27, 2022 [2 favorites]
Glinn: Thanks. I suspect I'll be at the job for a while yet. I kind of missed the big hiring boom that was going on in my industry (and more importantly, at my level) eight to twelve months ago. I kept looking at postings but I thought I needed to put in a bit more time at my current job, just to have a recent, longer-term one on paper. As per usual when it comes to me making decisions about my career, I suspect that was a mistake.
posted by sardonyx at 6:29 PM on September 27, 2022 [2 favorites]
pyramid termite: nothing like the Orange Blossom Spatial (as the accent has it) to remind me where I am truly from
posted by Countess Elena at 8:12 AM on September 28, 2022
posted by Countess Elena at 8:12 AM on September 28, 2022
→ "Raku ... terribly nice once you get used to it."
Is it still desperately slow? I tried it for a bit when it was still called Perl 6, and it was unusably slow and confusingly unlike Perl. It seems to be a stunt language with little practical application
Depends on how long ago it was and your definition of slow. Raku consists of parts, the main bit of Raku is written in Raku, the low level is written in this thing called Not Quite Perl (NQP) (they may have changed the name, probably not. It's a stripped down of 'magic' version of Perl that is very explicit in everything and it's the bit that generates...), everything gets turned into an Abstract Syntax Tree (AST). That goes to the VM. Originally the VM was called Parrot and it was too ambitious and dog slow. Parrot was intended to be a VM suitable for all dynamic type languages (Python, Ruby, TCL, etc.), That sorta crashed and burned.
Then someone did a skunks work project and wrote a VM that only ran Raku, MoarVM. It has gotten faster and faster. It does runtime profiling and removes stuff and JITs stuff (on x86_64), handles threads and processors, it keeps getting faster and faster. All in all it's like Java going from slow to having HotSpot compilation.
The other thing is that the Raku bit of Raku was originally written in the most simple straightforward correct code that would work. Raku is defined by passing the extensive test suite. As long as it passed the tests, good to go. Now what happens is people go back and change those functions to more complex but faster while still correct versions as needed. That's easy because it's Raku. With all of the smarts in the AST processing and VM, they even went back and un-optimized some functions that were written in NQP to be Raku because that provides more information to the VM so it can do a better job of optimizing.
Basically, the speed just keeps going up, there are some things that it's faster than Perl/Python/Ruby. And a few that if those other languages loaded up and used the features that Raku always has, they would be slower.
Raku is not that weird, you can still basically write it just like Perl if you like. Larry Wall calls this something like "being friendly to 12 year olds". Or you can go fancy. It's also strange in like I don't think anybody has bothered to write a graphics module.... we just import Python and use matplotlib (you can transparently pass things back and forth). You can also use Perl modules the same way. You can use multiple versions of modules in the same program.
It's still a bit slow when developing, it compiles to bytecode like stuff which is cached, but everything is checksummed and stored like a git repository of a link to exact versions. So changes in your script and its modules require a bit of recomilation to keep the chain in order and such. The second time you run it without changing the code... much faster, basically the VM just cranks up.
It's worth a second try if it's been a while, especially if it was far enough back to still be called Perl 6. Probably faster.
Still a good video: "The Shoulders Of Giants: 400 Years Of Perl 6" - Damian Conway - YouTube.
posted by zengargoyle at 1:01 PM on September 28, 2022
Is it still desperately slow? I tried it for a bit when it was still called Perl 6, and it was unusably slow and confusingly unlike Perl. It seems to be a stunt language with little practical application
Depends on how long ago it was and your definition of slow. Raku consists of parts, the main bit of Raku is written in Raku, the low level is written in this thing called Not Quite Perl (NQP) (they may have changed the name, probably not. It's a stripped down of 'magic' version of Perl that is very explicit in everything and it's the bit that generates...), everything gets turned into an Abstract Syntax Tree (AST). That goes to the VM. Originally the VM was called Parrot and it was too ambitious and dog slow. Parrot was intended to be a VM suitable for all dynamic type languages (Python, Ruby, TCL, etc.), That sorta crashed and burned.
Then someone did a skunks work project and wrote a VM that only ran Raku, MoarVM. It has gotten faster and faster. It does runtime profiling and removes stuff and JITs stuff (on x86_64), handles threads and processors, it keeps getting faster and faster. All in all it's like Java going from slow to having HotSpot compilation.
The other thing is that the Raku bit of Raku was originally written in the most simple straightforward correct code that would work. Raku is defined by passing the extensive test suite. As long as it passed the tests, good to go. Now what happens is people go back and change those functions to more complex but faster while still correct versions as needed. That's easy because it's Raku. With all of the smarts in the AST processing and VM, they even went back and un-optimized some functions that were written in NQP to be Raku because that provides more information to the VM so it can do a better job of optimizing.
Basically, the speed just keeps going up, there are some things that it's faster than Perl/Python/Ruby. And a few that if those other languages loaded up and used the features that Raku always has, they would be slower.
Raku is not that weird, you can still basically write it just like Perl if you like. Larry Wall calls this something like "being friendly to 12 year olds". Or you can go fancy. It's also strange in like I don't think anybody has bothered to write a graphics module.... we just import Python and use matplotlib (you can transparently pass things back and forth). You can also use Perl modules the same way. You can use multiple versions of modules in the same program.
It's still a bit slow when developing, it compiles to bytecode like stuff which is cached, but everything is checksummed and stored like a git repository of a link to exact versions. So changes in your script and its modules require a bit of recomilation to keep the chain in order and such. The second time you run it without changing the code... much faster, basically the VM just cranks up.
It's worth a second try if it's been a while, especially if it was far enough back to still be called Perl 6. Probably faster.
Still a good video: "The Shoulders Of Giants: 400 Years Of Perl 6" - Damian Conway - YouTube.
posted by zengargoyle at 1:01 PM on September 28, 2022
sardonyx: Thanks. I wish that was the case. I had yet another hourlong lecture and writeup about how bad I am today. You know what I did bad last week? Interrupted people (fair, no objection to this) and asked my boss a question about something where apparently she thought I should have figured it out myself and/or left it alone (this was...not so clear)? So less bad than usual, but still the usual. This is why I hate Click: you can make your point and move on, but they keep hammering it into the ground for over an hour.
posted by jenfullmoon at 2:18 PM on September 28, 2022
posted by jenfullmoon at 2:18 PM on September 28, 2022
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ehh, some work needed: this takes 7 s to run in Perl5, while the Raku version (below it) is happy to run for over five minutes and eat more than 10 GB of memory before I kill it. Some of the changes (to this old Web1.0 Perl programmer) seem needlessly obtuse: no foreach, ternary operator the illogical ?? … !! construct and wildly non-standard operators ('+>' for right shift? What other language does that?). It's also caught the giant exception message bug from Python: if a program error causes more output than would fit on a VT100 screen, ur doin it rong. And to hear that it creates an internal git repo for every script makes me think that nobody on the standards team considered simplicity and elegance.
I'm very sad that I used to think in Perl (I even had an “In case of Python attack: s/^\s+//” poster in my office), but I had to learn Python to get stuff done while Perl6 was on its quest to find itself. Now I look at Raku and I suspect I'll never be high enough to understand why it exists, let alone want to use it.
posted by scruss at 5:24 PM on September 28, 2022
It's worth a second try if it's been a while, especially if it was far enough back to still be called Perl 6. Probably faster.
ehh, some work needed: this takes 7 s to run in Perl5, while the Raku version (below it) is happy to run for over five minutes and eat more than 10 GB of memory before I kill it. Some of the changes (to this old Web1.0 Perl programmer) seem needlessly obtuse: no foreach, ternary operator the illogical ?? … !! construct and wildly non-standard operators ('+>' for right shift? What other language does that?). It's also caught the giant exception message bug from Python: if a program error causes more output than would fit on a VT100 screen, ur doin it rong. And to hear that it creates an internal git repo for every script makes me think that nobody on the standards team considered simplicity and elegance.
I'm very sad that I used to think in Perl (I even had an “In case of Python attack: s/^\s+//” poster in my office), but I had to learn Python to get stuff done while Perl6 was on its quest to find itself. Now I look at Raku and I suspect I'll never be high enough to understand why it exists, let alone want to use it.
posted by scruss at 5:24 PM on September 28, 2022
Perl lost the war. Which would be fine, if Python had learned anything from winning it. That does not much seem to be the case. Seems to be the human condition more generally, when I think about it.
posted by notoriety public at 5:48 PM on September 28, 2022
posted by notoriety public at 5:48 PM on September 28, 2022
$ time ./raku.p6 max: 8400511 steps: 685 real 1m2.090s user 1m1.760s sys 0m0.412sUsing rational numbers. One could turn them into ints of floats should one want. probably faster. Your Raku was faulty.
my ( $maxsteps, $maxval) = qw/0 0/;
my @s;
@s[1] = 0;
# Perl 5 used
# foreach $x ( 1 .. 10000000 ) {
for 1 ..^ 10_000_000 -> $x {
my $steps = 0;
my $n = $x;
while ( ( $n > 1 ) && ( $n >= $x ) ) {
$n = ( $n +& 1 ) ?? 3 * $n + 1 !! $n +> 1;
$steps++;
}
$steps += @s[$n];
@s[$x] = $steps;
( $maxsteps, $maxval ) = ( $steps, $x ) if ( $steps > $maxsteps );
}
say 'max: ', $maxval, ' steps: ', $maxsteps;
exit;
Throw some types in there if you want native 64bit ints instead of the default rational arithmetic.posted by zengargoyle at 6:24 PM on September 28, 2022
Oh, BTW, '&' is the 'and' junction operator.... ($a & $b and $c) is 'all are True. Similarly '|' is ($a | $b | $c) is 'any are True. That's why there's that '+' on the numerical operators. Those '&|' thing with auto-thread (probably, at least on the roadmap) to could be complicated things running on different threads on different cores. Planning for the future.
posted by zengargoyle at 6:28 PM on September 28, 2022
posted by zengargoyle at 6:28 PM on September 28, 2022
$ time ./scruss.raku max: 8400511 steps: 685 real 0m11.447s user 0m11.453s sys 0m0.068sTyping a few things as native ints.
posted by zengargoyle at 6:53 PM on September 28, 2022
If zengargoyle starts forcing us to spend money on this product, would that be considered Raku-teering?
posted by Greg_Ace at 1:51 PM on September 29, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by Greg_Ace at 1:51 PM on September 29, 2022 [1 favorite]
Are enthusiasts of the Raku programming language referred to as Raku-ns?
posted by Greg_Ace at 1:53 PM on September 29, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by Greg_Ace at 1:53 PM on September 29, 2022 [1 favorite]
OMG, I think there are more dyslexic people who don't know it. For the third times I have packages from Amazon that are my apartment, my street, but the street address is just wrong, way way off because of switched digits. When it's USPS I sharpie the "wrong address" on it and leave it with the hope that the postal worker takes care of it. Not quite sure what to do about random Amazon deliveries left on my doorstep. Feels like DVD's, should I open and look for a phone number? Try and contact Amazon? I doubt they will know that it's here that their things get miss-delivered, I doubt Amazon delivery driver would see or care and deliver correctly like USPS would. What to do?
It's starting to annoy me. People can get the apartment right but not the frigging street address.
posted by zengargoyle at 7:06 PM on September 30, 2022
It's starting to annoy me. People can get the apartment right but not the frigging street address.
posted by zengargoyle at 7:06 PM on September 30, 2022
Nevermind.... I found the Amazon chat thingy. They told me to keep it and donate or give away. Profuse thanks and they'll make it right. It was IPhone accessories and not DVDs, but at least one of them came in a nice little wooden box. Tracking numbers were exchanged and assurances were made and assumptions verified. They at least seemed happy that I told them about it.
Does anybody) need IPhone 11 Pro screen protectors or a case? I''m totally keeping that nice wooden box. :)
posted by zengargoyle at 7:58 PM on September 30, 2022
Does anybody) need IPhone 11 Pro screen protectors or a case? I''m totally keeping that nice wooden box. :)
posted by zengargoyle at 7:58 PM on September 30, 2022
Bouncing through old threads and found this:
I was reading about epistemic closure and extremism in 2009 because it seemed like it might be relevant down the line and no-one was talking about it!
Anyway I'm looking into collective bargaining and unions so let's hope that gets big in 5 years
posted by Merus at 8:09 AM on August 30, 2017
Dang. Merus? What are you reading now?
posted by clew at 10:26 AM on October 1, 2022 [4 favorites]
I was reading about epistemic closure and extremism in 2009 because it seemed like it might be relevant down the line and no-one was talking about it!
Anyway I'm looking into collective bargaining and unions so let's hope that gets big in 5 years
posted by Merus at 8:09 AM on August 30, 2017
Dang. Merus? What are you reading now?
posted by clew at 10:26 AM on October 1, 2022 [4 favorites]
So there were a couple of organic, free range pork chops on the save the food shelf at our local supermarket, and I thought now is the time to try fish-fragrant pork from my favorite cookbook.
Wow. Just wow. Every recipe from that book I have tried so far is amazing. But this is such a lovely mix of comforting and spicy and complex and obviously delicious. It is also a great example of how 200 grams of meat can be fine for four if the recipe is right. We had rice, and a beetroot salad to go with it. I had planned for a slaw with an Asian flavor, but suddenly my daughter has discovered beets and I'm not going to stop her after decades of trying to persuade her to eat them.
The online recipe is not exactly the same as the one in the book, and I recommend the book, but it will probably do.
posted by mumimor at 12:28 PM on October 1, 2022 [2 favorites]
Wow. Just wow. Every recipe from that book I have tried so far is amazing. But this is such a lovely mix of comforting and spicy and complex and obviously delicious. It is also a great example of how 200 grams of meat can be fine for four if the recipe is right. We had rice, and a beetroot salad to go with it. I had planned for a slaw with an Asian flavor, but suddenly my daughter has discovered beets and I'm not going to stop her after decades of trying to persuade her to eat them.
The online recipe is not exactly the same as the one in the book, and I recommend the book, but it will probably do.
posted by mumimor at 12:28 PM on October 1, 2022 [2 favorites]
I don't usually watch movies but I watched two last night. I at random, picked this Stephen Greer aliens piece, where he waves around a lot of papers and discusses how even our Presidents are not privy to ufo info. Having read Gordon Cooper's "Leap Of Faith," it ties right in with the Greer disclosures. I have spent time up where the UFOs in Cooper's book were seen by an engineer, who duplicated their propulsion system, and according to Cooper, made a couple of small craft, he tethered in a barn in Tremonton, Utah. Cooper flew them, he was an expert pilot.
Anyway, I am open to thinking about things, but not a believer. But it made me think about that huge land sculpture, City, out in Nevada, and it made me think, it is an atonement, monument to those ETs we have harmed. All in all, very stimulating.
Then I watched Vickie, Christina, Barcelona; so bright and human! Utterly delightful, it made for an elixir of emotions. I typically hide from romcoms, and proxy emotions, but this film was great, and there were some of Gaudi's buildings thrown in, the actors were superb, a lot of close face work. Scarlett Johannson, Javier Bardem, Penélope Cruz, Rebecca Hall, Chris Messina, Patricia Clarkson, written and directed by Woody Allen.
I am still grinning and disturbed, so, all in all a good balance.
posted by Oyéah at 3:37 PM on October 1, 2022
Anyway, I am open to thinking about things, but not a believer. But it made me think about that huge land sculpture, City, out in Nevada, and it made me think, it is an atonement, monument to those ETs we have harmed. All in all, very stimulating.
Then I watched Vickie, Christina, Barcelona; so bright and human! Utterly delightful, it made for an elixir of emotions. I typically hide from romcoms, and proxy emotions, but this film was great, and there were some of Gaudi's buildings thrown in, the actors were superb, a lot of close face work. Scarlett Johannson, Javier Bardem, Penélope Cruz, Rebecca Hall, Chris Messina, Patricia Clarkson, written and directed by Woody Allen.
I am still grinning and disturbed, so, all in all a good balance.
posted by Oyéah at 3:37 PM on October 1, 2022
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