September 9, 2002
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No link here. Just wondering...the 9/11 anniversary...I am not ready for it. The wound is still too raw. I am still not comfortable looking at those images, but everywhere I turn television and magazines are plastered with them. There's no escape. I think it's too soon to be faced with this barrage. Am I alone? My first post...be gentle.
This post was deleted for the following reason:
It seems that the country is quite divided in its feelings on this topic. I know that I feel very separated from it living on the west coast. (And therefore am tired of the coverage of it all.) And it seems as though most of the people who were near the event would rather not think about it.
So a more curious question for me is... who really *wants* to be seeing all of these images? I mean, the media wouldn't plaster them if *someone* wanted to... so who is it?
posted by woil at 2:23 AM on September 9, 2002
So a more curious question for me is... who really *wants* to be seeing all of these images? I mean, the media wouldn't plaster them if *someone* wanted to... so who is it?
posted by woil at 2:23 AM on September 9, 2002
crunchburger - I think his point was made by *not* posting a link. The massive coverage is what he's avoiding. But here, something for you.
posted by woil at 2:27 AM on September 9, 2002
posted by woil at 2:27 AM on September 9, 2002
Thanks, crunch. You are right. I'll do better next time.
posted by wsg at 2:27 AM on September 9, 2002
posted by wsg at 2:27 AM on September 9, 2002
You could always follow the First Lady's advice and turn off your TV. Call me masochistic, but I want to see what the mainstream media is serving up for us. Then return to the blogosphere to see how real people are dealing with it. I think I've been grieving a little every day this past week... not saving it all up for "Patriot Day".
posted by Dok Millennium at 2:32 AM on September 9, 2002
posted by Dok Millennium at 2:32 AM on September 9, 2002
crunchburger, I'm sorry, but in this case I simply cannot agree.
wsg, I think you were on fair ground in posting what you did.
For what it's worth (a phrase I use more and more, seemingly), I feel the same way.
posted by adamgreenfield at 2:34 AM on September 9, 2002
wsg, I think you were on fair ground in posting what you did.
For what it's worth (a phrase I use more and more, seemingly), I feel the same way.
posted by adamgreenfield at 2:34 AM on September 9, 2002
It's far too soon to be naming the day already that's for sure.
That said, this post should have been a comment to an ongoing thread. But who am I to say.
posted by crasspastor at 2:47 AM on September 9, 2002
That said, this post should have been a comment to an ongoing thread. But who am I to say.
posted by crasspastor at 2:47 AM on September 9, 2002
i'm sick to death, no pun intended, of the whole thing. the media have morphed it into something brassy, supersized, fake and terrible. it was bad enough dealing with the original REAL and terrible event. now it's the usual whorepundits spinning it like rumpelstiltskins.
posted by donkeyschlong at 2:50 AM on September 9, 2002
posted by donkeyschlong at 2:50 AM on September 9, 2002
Yes wsg. From my East Village rooftop I saw the second plane curve around and crash into the South tower, felt my gut wrench when I knew it was war not accident, watched the cancerous growth of the smoking black holes, and the final silent collapse of the buildings into dust. Then I lived through months of numb fear in the police state Manhattan became, breathing the acrid, metallic, smoky air from the burning that never seemed to end. I'm somewhat fortunate in that I know no one who died there. I still avoid that immediate area. My television reception is so full of ghosts, since the antenna on the WTC is gone, that it is mostly unwatchable. But when they dredge up those images again I just turn it off, it just seems a drumbeat for more war.
posted by gametone at 2:52 AM on September 9, 2002
posted by gametone at 2:52 AM on September 9, 2002
There may be overkill in the amount of images being shown and the whole "The Day The World Changed" Hollywood style theming of the coverage but equally would people be happy if the press ignored the anniversary altogether?
posted by jontyjago at 2:56 AM on September 9, 2002
posted by jontyjago at 2:56 AM on September 9, 2002
I happen to agree with the First Lady -- there really is a first time for everything, isn't there? -- Wednesday's TV will be bad for children and bad for me. People who want to watch programs about the attacks will surely get something out of them, but I will not partake.
posted by Bixby23 at 2:56 AM on September 9, 2002
posted by Bixby23 at 2:56 AM on September 9, 2002
wsg, I think you were on fair ground in posting what you did.
There are a million and one places for this type of post, but not here.
This has nothing to do with being 'fair', and this post isn't even questionable. It in no way has anything to do with what metafilter is.
posted by Dennis Murphy at 3:13 AM on September 9, 2002
There are a million and one places for this type of post, but not here.
This has nothing to do with being 'fair', and this post isn't even questionable. It in no way has anything to do with what metafilter is.
posted by Dennis Murphy at 3:13 AM on September 9, 2002
wsg: Can you share which part of the posting guidelines were not clear to you so that perhaps we can make a recommendation to have them changed. You said yourself that it was your first post so I am sure you read them prior to posting.
posted by Odi et Amo at 3:14 AM on September 9, 2002
posted by Odi et Amo at 3:14 AM on September 9, 2002
No, I will not be gentle. No link, no post. Get your own goddamn weblog if you want to vent feelings like this. I know it seems important, and I'm sure other people are inclined to agree with your doing this, but this isn't the place for that. Just because you can post something like this here does not mean you should. Don't piss on Matt's rug.
posted by mcwetboy at 3:18 AM on September 9, 2002
posted by mcwetboy at 3:18 AM on September 9, 2002
I was thinking the other day - how many years before we see the 9/11 blockbuster? We had the Pearl Harbour 'event' after sixty years. Who'll be the Ben Affleck and Kate Beckinsale of the WTC movie? And how far in the future will Hollywood feel safe in producing it? How distasteful would it make you feel - would anyone here go and watch such a thing?
posted by humuhumu at 3:18 AM on September 9, 2002
posted by humuhumu at 3:18 AM on September 9, 2002
wsg, I think you were on fair ground in posting what you did.
The blind leading the blind. Read the fucking guidelines.
Everybody please bear in mind that this post will very likely be deleted five minutes after Matt wakes up.
posted by mcwetboy at 3:21 AM on September 9, 2002
The blind leading the blind. Read the fucking guidelines.
Everybody please bear in mind that this post will very likely be deleted five minutes after Matt wakes up.
posted by mcwetboy at 3:21 AM on September 9, 2002
Why not just stop the agonizing?
Yes it was a terrible incident.
Yes many lives were lost.
Yes many families were broken.
Must we relive the past? There is nothing you can do to change it. Look toward the future, as that is the only certainty you may mold, the past is set in stone.
In my opinion(which I will probably get hated on for.. but so be it), those that have lived through it, accepted it for what it is, and moved on, have made a wiser choice than those that keep looking back...
posted by spidre at 3:21 AM on September 9, 2002
Yes it was a terrible incident.
Yes many lives were lost.
Yes many families were broken.
Must we relive the past? There is nothing you can do to change it. Look toward the future, as that is the only certainty you may mold, the past is set in stone.
In my opinion(which I will probably get hated on for.. but so be it), those that have lived through it, accepted it for what it is, and moved on, have made a wiser choice than those that keep looking back...
posted by spidre at 3:21 AM on September 9, 2002
As a person on the West Coast, I don't think it's a case of the wound being too raw at all, but I can understand the feelings of those near NYC who are still wounded over the WTC disaster.
Of course some people are still raw -- the media and politicians won't let you forget that it happened, after all. You couldn't have any large public event this year without it turning into a memorial of some sort.
I'm not saying that those who died should be forgotten by history, but it's not just time that heals the wounds of the grieving, but distance too. The media should be ashamed of how excessively they have blown this issue out of proportion.
It's hard to believe they're contemplating making 9/11 a holiday... what about a holiday for the burning of the White House? Why not one for the attack on Pearl Harbor, which was, after all, far more significant? Maybe we need one for the Great San Francisco Earthquake or the sinking of the Titanic?
Really, it's time to suck it up, get a sense of historical perspective, and let people get on with their lives. Otherwise, the terrorists win...
posted by insomnia_lj at 3:22 AM on September 9, 2002
Of course some people are still raw -- the media and politicians won't let you forget that it happened, after all. You couldn't have any large public event this year without it turning into a memorial of some sort.
I'm not saying that those who died should be forgotten by history, but it's not just time that heals the wounds of the grieving, but distance too. The media should be ashamed of how excessively they have blown this issue out of proportion.
It's hard to believe they're contemplating making 9/11 a holiday... what about a holiday for the burning of the White House? Why not one for the attack on Pearl Harbor, which was, after all, far more significant? Maybe we need one for the Great San Francisco Earthquake or the sinking of the Titanic?
Really, it's time to suck it up, get a sense of historical perspective, and let people get on with their lives. Otherwise, the terrorists win...
posted by insomnia_lj at 3:22 AM on September 9, 2002
Worst. Post. Ever.
*lowers head in shame for all those 14000+*
When I wake up in the morning this thread will be gone and once again all will be right in my world.
posted by reagin at 3:24 AM on September 9, 2002
*lowers head in shame for all those 14000+*
When I wake up in the morning this thread will be gone and once again all will be right in my world.
posted by reagin at 3:24 AM on September 9, 2002
Why not one for the attack on Pearl Harbor, which was, after all, far more significant?
A little too early to make such a statement, unless you can predict the future.
posted by justgary at 3:29 AM on September 9, 2002
A little too early to make such a statement, unless you can predict the future.
posted by justgary at 3:29 AM on September 9, 2002
Hopefully Matt is an early riser today...
Metatalk *sigh*
But I would like to point out that there is a split in the 14K+ers...
As someone who signed up a couple of months before the gates were re-opened I'll draw the distinction with the 14.2K+ers ;-)
posted by i_cola at 3:33 AM on September 9, 2002
Metatalk *sigh*
But I would like to point out that there is a split in the 14K+ers...
As someone who signed up a couple of months before the gates were re-opened I'll draw the distinction with the 14.2K+ers ;-)
posted by i_cola at 3:33 AM on September 9, 2002
*lowers head in shame for all those 14000+*
Please don't. Some of us actually know this sort of thing doesn't go over well on the front page.
posted by gummi at 3:35 AM on September 9, 2002
Please don't. Some of us actually know this sort of thing doesn't go over well on the front page.
posted by gummi at 3:35 AM on September 9, 2002
what you have thus learned as a firsat-time poster is that just anything you post or say will find a batch of people who will shift into attack mode. Fret not.
posted by Postroad at 3:35 AM on September 9, 2002
posted by Postroad at 3:35 AM on September 9, 2002
There was a post? Hmm, I missed it. I just saw a comment.
Never the less, I'm not sure this needed to be taken to metatalk. Not much here to discuss.
posted by justgary at 3:39 AM on September 9, 2002
Never the less, I'm not sure this needed to be taken to metatalk. Not much here to discuss.
posted by justgary at 3:39 AM on September 9, 2002
One letter writer in todays Australian Citizens dead 11Sept .... 2700 ??
Children who died from starvation in that 24hrs .... 35,000?
Mass media reaction to the latter,nothing in particular.This is a crap thread.
posted by johnny7 at 3:41 AM on September 9, 2002
Children who died from starvation in that 24hrs .... 35,000?
Mass media reaction to the latter,nothing in particular.This is a crap thread.
posted by johnny7 at 3:41 AM on September 9, 2002
Akin to an immune system, a thread is killed while the host snoozes.
Metafilter sure is interesting.
Night.
posted by crasspastor at 3:46 AM on September 9, 2002
Metafilter sure is interesting.
Night.
posted by crasspastor at 3:46 AM on September 9, 2002
What a bunch of mean-spirited cranky folks we have here this morning. I was touched by your post, wsg, even if it did not follow the letter of the posting guidelines. Read them, and don't let this keep you from contributing in the future.
posted by gametone at 3:51 AM on September 9, 2002
posted by gametone at 3:51 AM on September 9, 2002
I dunno, gametone; it's about the clearest thing in the guidelines:
"Make sure you're linking to something on the web. If you're posting a generalized question to the audience, or posting a comment as a main thread, either find an appropriate mailing list, or use MetaTalk."
posted by mediareport at 4:00 AM on September 9, 2002
"Make sure you're linking to something on the web. If you're posting a generalized question to the audience, or posting a comment as a main thread, either find an appropriate mailing list, or use MetaTalk."
posted by mediareport at 4:00 AM on September 9, 2002
Or get your own darn weblog, sparky.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:03 AM on September 9, 2002
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:03 AM on September 9, 2002
either find an appropriate mailing list, or..."
or a support group. or a newsgroup. stuff like that
posted by matteo at 4:05 AM on September 9, 2002
or a support group. or a newsgroup. stuff like that
posted by matteo at 4:05 AM on September 9, 2002
I concur that there shouldn't be a post without a link...but do you really have to piss and whine in this post? Can't the people who feel this thread is inappropriate debate it in the Metatalk thread?
posted by jennak at 4:06 AM on September 9, 2002
posted by jennak at 4:06 AM on September 9, 2002
"don't let this keep you from contributing in the future."
I agree, just next time contribute a link.
Can't the people who feel this thread is inappropriate debate it in the Metatalk thread?
I fail to see anything to debate.
posted by justgary at 4:26 AM on September 9, 2002
I agree, just next time contribute a link.
Can't the people who feel this thread is inappropriate debate it in the Metatalk thread?
I fail to see anything to debate.
posted by justgary at 4:26 AM on September 9, 2002
Ditto, justgary. I'd love to talk about the fact that this is the 2nd night in the last four that I haven't been able to sleep at all, but I'm sure not going to do it in a thread started with a linkless post. Somebody, please find a good link to spark a discussion about the intense verklemptness washing over a lot of us in the USA right now.
posted by mediareport at 4:32 AM on September 9, 2002
posted by mediareport at 4:32 AM on September 9, 2002
I have a really sad premonition: Sadly, on Wednesday 11th September 2002, roughly 24,000 people will needlessly die.
posted by SpaceCadet at 4:51 AM on September 9, 2002
posted by SpaceCadet at 4:51 AM on September 9, 2002
I was thinking the other day - how many years before we see the 9/11 blockbuster? We had the Pearl Harbour 'event' after sixty years. Who'll be the Ben Affleck and Kate Beckinsale of the WTC movie? And how far in the future will Hollywood feel safe in producing it? How distasteful would it make you feel - would anyone here go and watch such a thing?
Sometime after the second plane crashed and before the towers fell, when the whole thing was obviously an attack but we were still in invincible mode, I joked that the summer blockbuster of 2003 would be a feature starring Ben Affleck as a ruggid, heroic fireman who must save the upper crust stock broker type that he was socio-economically separated from and tragedy would bring them together forever.
Then the towers fell down and went boom and I felt like a really horrible dickhead. But then, that's nothing new.
posted by dogmatic at 5:13 AM on September 9, 2002
Sometime after the second plane crashed and before the towers fell, when the whole thing was obviously an attack but we were still in invincible mode, I joked that the summer blockbuster of 2003 would be a feature starring Ben Affleck as a ruggid, heroic fireman who must save the upper crust stock broker type that he was socio-economically separated from and tragedy would bring them together forever.
Then the towers fell down and went boom and I felt like a really horrible dickhead. But then, that's nothing new.
posted by dogmatic at 5:13 AM on September 9, 2002
I was not touched by this post. Your demonstration is a pointless comment that you are sensitive and have emotions, and, yes!, you have feelings--What novelty! What uniqueness! Your humanity is proven. Rest, now, while we ponder the ebb and flow of your psychological hiccups.
I am not, in fact, touched by any of the tributes, rememberances, vigils, seances, meetings, rallies, marches, parades, memorials, ceremonies, readings, silences, etc. They are hollow. Somebody, please, tighten the bolt on the waterworks of self-importance that leads people to flood the world with the whiny news of how *they* are feeling and what *they* remember.
Where is your resolve? Your hardness? Where is your strength? How, at this distance, can you not be a person of vision: how have you not reconciled this horror with your own temerity and how have you not come up with new goals, a new attempt to change the world, a new life plan? Why are you still just talking and not *doing*? Where is your action?
posted by Mo Nickels at 5:20 AM on September 9, 2002
I am not, in fact, touched by any of the tributes, rememberances, vigils, seances, meetings, rallies, marches, parades, memorials, ceremonies, readings, silences, etc. They are hollow. Somebody, please, tighten the bolt on the waterworks of self-importance that leads people to flood the world with the whiny news of how *they* are feeling and what *they* remember.
Where is your resolve? Your hardness? Where is your strength? How, at this distance, can you not be a person of vision: how have you not reconciled this horror with your own temerity and how have you not come up with new goals, a new attempt to change the world, a new life plan? Why are you still just talking and not *doing*? Where is your action?
posted by Mo Nickels at 5:20 AM on September 9, 2002
Just f-everbody's-freakin-i, this comment on the homepage would not be saved if it had a link to an NYTimes article, or a link to a single jpeg of the towers smoldering.
What might be an interesting thread is a collection images or images with captions and the poster trying to interpret or parse the images to help us make sense of the anniversary of the "events of the eleventh."
wsg - don't take "get your own blog" as just blustering from us. Really, get your own blog and tell your story, talk about your feelings, and become a publishing magnate. It would make us all happy.
posted by zpousman at 5:21 AM on September 9, 2002
What might be an interesting thread is a collection images or images with captions and the poster trying to interpret or parse the images to help us make sense of the anniversary of the "events of the eleventh."
wsg - don't take "get your own blog" as just blustering from us. Really, get your own blog and tell your story, talk about your feelings, and become a publishing magnate. It would make us all happy.
posted by zpousman at 5:21 AM on September 9, 2002
Where is your resolve? Your hardness? Where is your strength?
Well, don't know about you, but mine's been keeping me going for oh, about the last year. I need a fucking break already.
posted by mediareport at 5:52 AM on September 9, 2002
Well, don't know about you, but mine's been keeping me going for oh, about the last year. I need a fucking break already.
posted by mediareport at 5:52 AM on September 9, 2002
i just have to be cruel here, because i don't understand. have none of the hypersensitive handwringers who cannot bear to dredge 9/11 up from the depths of their denial ever heard of the vietnam conflict? never buried one or both of their parents? never contemplated their own death or those of people close to them? how will you get through life? how will you confront its ending? sheesh!
posted by quonsar at 6:00 AM on September 9, 2002
posted by quonsar at 6:00 AM on September 9, 2002
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posted by crunchburger at 2:17 AM on September 9, 2002