An Actual Legend Of Zelda
June 18, 2024 8:54 AM   Subscribe

In the most recent summer Nintendo Direct (where the video game maker releases info on their major holiday season titles), one of the biggest announcements was for The Legend of Zelda: Echoes of Wisdom - the first time in the (actual) franchise's history where the title character is also the protagonist.

Slated to release on the Switch on September 26th, the title looks to be using the Link's Awakening remake engine, and has the titular princess take up the mantle of saving Hyrule after series protagonist Link falls in battle. As such, she will wield a new weapon to the series - the Tri Rod, which will have an "echoing" mechanic to allow Zelda to both fight and solve puzzles.
posted by NoxAeternum (44 comments total) 15 users marked this as a favorite
 
And before some wag brings it up, Wand of Gamelon, the product of Yamauchi's spite horribly backfiring on Nintendo, is like Bruno - we don't talk about it.
posted by NoxAeternum at 8:55 AM on June 18 [4 favorites]


Oh hell yes. Love this.
posted by ourobouros at 8:56 AM on June 18


Wait, are you trying to tell me that Zelda isn't the boy?
posted by Parasite Unseen at 8:57 AM on June 18 [11 favorites]


Zelda 404: Link not found
posted by fantabulous timewaster at 9:00 AM on June 18 [42 favorites]


Still mad they won't call it The Legend of Link
posted by Tomorrowful at 9:03 AM on June 18 [15 favorites]


Wait, are you trying to tell me that Zelda isn't the boy?

I'm calling it The Legend of Link: Echoes of Wisdom for protagonist consistency's sake :D

(A more exciting announcement for me was Ace Attorney Investigations Collection, which will include the only game in the AA series that hadn't been localized. I couldn't watch this Direct myself, but it sounds like it was a great one.)
posted by May Kasahara at 9:04 AM on June 18 [4 favorites]


Wait -- ARE WE FINALLY GETTING (a localized) ACE ATTORNEY INVESTIGATIONS 2????
posted by The Great Big Mulp at 9:19 AM on June 18 [2 favorites]


Yes!!
posted by May Kasahara at 9:23 AM on June 18 [1 favorite]


This means I gotta finally finish up Tears of the Dragon eventually, huh? I just sorta lost the drive to find all the story eventually, once I could just magic up stuff to avoid the worst of the monsters on the ground.
posted by Kyol at 9:27 AM on June 18


Metroid Prime 4, which was announced five hundred years ago, finally got a trailer during the same presentation. Pretty pumped about it.
posted by Rinku at 9:30 AM on June 18 [5 favorites]


All that isometric stacking in the trailer gave me some serious Ultima VII nostalgia!
posted by ropeladder at 9:39 AM on June 18 [2 favorites]


I'm so confused, Zelda was always the boy.

😉
posted by tiny frying pan at 9:50 AM on June 18 [2 favorites]


This gameplay of creating objects to solve puzzles looks really fun to me. I'm not in love with the tile-based game world but certainly plenty of great games are made in that format. I bet the tiles make the echo system easier to make consistent, too.

Metafilter never had a post about Princess Peach: Showtime! did it? Another recent Nintendo game where you play as the princess. (Although unlike Zelda, Peach has been a playable character in a bunch of previous games too.) Showtime is super girly in a lot of appealing ways but also not limited by stereotypes. Reviews I've heard have all been quite positive. The game is pitched to a very young audience so the gameplay may be too simple to keep adults interested for long.
posted by Nelson at 9:53 AM on June 18


This means I gotta finally finish up Tears of the Dragon eventually, huh?

I don't think so? If you mean Tears of the Kingdom, I didn't get the sense that was a game you could ever "finish" in any reasonable time (maybe the story?) but I kind of bounced off it (my secret shame) and although I really want to go back to it and play with all the cool physics, Hyrule "story continuity" absolutely one-million-percent doesn't matter and if you like a top-down Zelda, you should be able to play this and enjoy it for what it is. I know what you're feeling -- some sort of weird "I-don't-deserve-a-new-Zelda-until-I-finish-the-last-one-if-you-don't-eat-your-meat-you-can't-have-any-pudding" kind of thing. But let it go. You'll be happier.

If, on the other hand, you mean Rise of the Dragon, the Sierra OnLine cyberpunk RPG released for Sega CD in 1992, then yeah, you have to finish that or you'll have no idea what's going on.
posted by The Bellman at 9:56 AM on June 18 [14 favorites]


Woohoo! I'm excited for this. I love a top-down Zelda game, and I'm pleased that Zelda's finally getting the protagonist role she deserves. It looks like it will be a fun mechanic, too.

(I am a bit disappointed we're not [yet] getting the long-rumoured Switch versions of Windwaker or Ocarina of Time, though...)
posted by synecdoche at 10:12 AM on June 18 [3 favorites]


OK, so: will all of the merchants and keepers-of-secret-powers in Hyrule pull the same gatekeeping shenanigans with Zelda when she needs power-ups, armor, arrows etc? She's the princess, after all! And the fate of Hyrule depends on her!
posted by grumpybear69 at 10:28 AM on June 18 [6 favorites]


I don't think so? If you mean Tears of the Kingdom, I didn't get the sense that was a game you could ever "finish" in any reasonable time (maybe the story?)

Er, yeah, that's what I meant. It's been a while. And yeah, for as much as I absolutely could not get enough of Breath of the Wild and chased down all the direct and indirect story beats to make sense of what happened, something about the mechanics of TOTK just didn't end up giving me those little, like, "oh what's my best boy Kass doing over here?" sorts of deals. I mean, I'm probably to the point where I can maybe reasonably do the endgame stuff? But I don't have the same sort of sense of progression / completion like I did in BOTW, y'know? Ok, you did all the beasts and all the temples, go get 'em. Even the TOTK shrines were kind of a let down compared to how much I loved them in BOTW. It seemed like a lot of them sort of boiled down to making some kinda rickety contraption that barely physics-ed its way through to the end, instead of ... well, barely making an ice block barricade or whatever in BOTW. I should just start chasing down the quests in my quest log, see if that helps any.

Harumph.
posted by Kyol at 10:28 AM on June 18 [1 favorite]


Ok not big on the graphics. Tears of the kingdom / breath of the wild is all about the graphics and sounds.
posted by St. Peepsburg at 10:52 AM on June 18


the first time in the (actual) franchise's history where the title character is also the protagonist.

Important phrasing here! A friend posted that EoW would be "the first Legend of Zelda where you play as the princess," and I've been so tempted to pedantically bring up Spirit Tracks' Spirit Tower...

(But yeah, big news! Very hyped.)
posted by the tartare yolk at 11:00 AM on June 18 [1 favorite]


My big problem with TOTK is mainly that I can't make the powered glider thing do a tight enough u-turn when fighting the hydra monster thing whose name I can't remember right now, and so if you go out of bounds the game immediately takes you back to the dock and makes you try again. If it would only let me fly in a wider circle I could have beaten that thing by now.
posted by HypotheticalWoman at 11:01 AM on June 18 [1 favorite]


I loved the art style in the Link's Awakening remake so I'm glad to see it being used again here. I'm iffy about the creating objects to solve puzzles thing because I got sick of building things in Tears of the Kingdom and this seems like it could get tedious after a while too. But I'll definitely be picking it up cause 2D Zelda.
posted by downtohisturtles at 11:02 AM on June 18 [1 favorite]


What a good year for princesses!

Speedrunners: so we can use the item duplication glitch to push ourselves out of bounds and
Nintendo, looking up from notebook: go on
posted by Hermione Dies at 11:09 AM on June 18 [4 favorites]


Breath of the Wild was not a proper Zelda game because it didn't let you rename the protagonist "Zelda" to amuse yourself imagining the people who would get mad about that. (What kind of monster never picks a name for their character in a Zelda game? Leaving it as "Link" would be like naming your dog "Dog" or your video game avatar "Avatar")

I suppose this game won't allow you to rename the protagonist "Link" either.
posted by straight at 11:21 AM on June 18


Metroid Prime 4, which was announced five hundred years ago,

And it's still just second on the Metroid development time scoreboard (though with the winner having a good two decades, it's hard to beat.)
posted by NoxAeternum at 11:51 AM on June 18


I suppose this game won't allow you to rename the protagonist "Link" either.

In honor of the original Zelda game where naming your character "Zelda" automatically dropped you without warning into the much more difficult Second Quest, I think naming your character "Link" in this game should make the game trivially easy.

When you play as "Link" it should just open with you in front of a cave and when you go inside the cave you're done. That's the game. Call it the Zero (Nothing) Quest.
posted by RonButNotStupid at 12:11 PM on June 18 [7 favorites]


In honor of the original Zelda game where naming your character "Zelda" automatically dropped you without warning into the much more difficult Second Quest,

!! How Did I not know this!!
posted by St. Peepsburg at 12:13 PM on June 18 [2 favorites]


When I first played the original Legend of Zelda, I didn't know the main character's name, so I named them "Zelda," and as a result for some reason the dungeons didn't match the pack-in tutorial map and the game seemed harder. Fortunately I noticed that the character's image on the file screen in the manual didn't have the little sword by it, and I figured out something was wrong.

I miss Fizz's contributions here.
posted by JHarris at 12:24 PM on June 18 [15 favorites]


I still have my Metroid Prime 4 preorder (at a discount that is no longer available) from 2018.
posted by Servo5678 at 12:52 PM on June 18 [1 favorite]


Now make a movie and cast Mae Martin as Link.
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 1:16 PM on June 18 [6 favorites]


I couldn't watch this Direct myself, but it sounds like it was a great one.

The Switch is getting one hell of a send-off. In addition to the game the thread is about, we're getting a new Mario + Luigi game, Luigi's Mansion 2 and Donkey Kong Country Returns HD remakes, as well as some actual Metroid Prime 4 footage - and that's from Nintendo.

Capcom had the AAI Collection announcement, as well as sending the fighting game community to the doctor with their Marvel vs. Capcom collection announcement, with a port of Marvel vs. Capcom 2 with rollback netcode. Square Enix revealed more on the Dragon Quest III remake, as well as DQ1 and DQ2 remakes are in production, as well as a Romancing SaGa 2 remake. Speaking of old school style JRPGs, Sakaguchi's last masterpiece Fantasian is finally going to a platform that people use after being an Apple Arcade exclusive for years.

And that's just scratching the surface.
posted by NoxAeternum at 1:50 PM on June 18 [4 favorites]


I was a big fan of the Link's Awakening remake art style, glad to see it get a second appearance.

Zelda gonna make so many crates. So many. Her start-to-crate time is going to be as low as possible for me.
posted by fifteen schnitzengruben is my limit at 1:51 PM on June 18 [7 favorites]


grumpybear69: "OK, so: will all of the merchants and keepers-of-secret-powers in Hyrule pull the same gatekeeping shenanigans with Zelda when she needs power-ups, armor, arrows etc?"

5 rupees. Same as in town.
posted by Baby_Balrog at 2:20 PM on June 18 [11 favorites]


OK, so: will all of the merchants and keepers-of-secret-powers in Hyrule pull the same gatekeeping shenanigans with Zelda when she needs power-ups, armor, arrows etc?

If she's lucky, Ravio will be the shopkeeper.
posted by May Kasahara at 3:32 PM on June 18 [1 favorite]


I still have my Metroid Prime 4 preorder (at a discount that is no longer available) from 2018.

Like a chump, I cancelled mine in 2021. Price: $47.99. Silver lining: we still donno if it will ship on time.

edit: and these days I try to avoid Amazon in favor of other retailers.
posted by pwnguin at 3:51 PM on June 18 [1 favorite]


Part of the Switch's sendoff is likely because its 2025 successor is rumored to be backwards compatible, giving it a gigantic library on day one.
posted by JHarris at 5:18 PM on June 18 [6 favorites]


(I REALLY am looking forward to it. I have so many Switch games. The next one is going to be huge.)
posted by JHarris at 5:18 PM on June 18 [2 favorites]


it's kind of bonkers to me that they're also launching a special-edition Switch Lite for this game, seemingly just a few months before the Super Switch comes out (and at most a couple months before it's officially announced)
posted by DoctorFedora at 5:25 PM on June 18 [1 favorite]


Speaking of Fantasian, it looks like the ports are a Mistwalker/Creative Studio III collab, which is actually unsurprising given Sakaguchi is a self admitted FFXIV addict.
posted by NoxAeternum at 10:47 PM on June 18 [1 favorite]


Part of the Switch's sendoff is likely because its 2025 successor is rumored to be backwards compatible, giving it a gigantic library on day one.

People are already surmising that Metroid Prime 4 will be a crossgen launch title for the Switch 2, which when combined with Pokémon Legends: Z-A is just...look, Nintendo knows their business quite well.
posted by NoxAeternum at 11:34 PM on June 18 [4 favorites]


My big problem with TOTK is mainly that I can't make the powered glider thing do a tight enough u-turn when fighting the hydra monster thing whose name I can't remember right now, and so if you go out of bounds the game immediately takes you back to the dock and makes you try again. If it would only let me fly in a wider circle I could have beaten that thing by now.

gleeoks are easier to take out than they appear. highly recommend having zonai rockets in stock--to fuse to your shield so you can blast yourself far above the beast for the main battle--and plenty of eyes that you can fuse to arrows for taking out the heads. this is especially comfy if you use a lynel bow, which apart from firing 3 arrows at a time, duplicates whatever you fuse to it, e.g., one aerocuda eye becomes 3 eyeballs fused to all three arrows that fire. for the end battle, most gleeoks will blast downwards breath attacks that will provide an updraft that can get you close enough to them. the exception would be ice and king gleeoks, who drop giant icicles, so for them you need to climb on an icicle and use the recall ability that will zoom you right on up to where the gleeok is. in all cases, once up to the gleeok the same strategy applies in using eyeball-fused arrows, although bomb flowers may also work in a pinch. would also be good to get the dusk bow (available in the steeple of hyrule castle after every blood moon) specifically for this part, or really any long-range bow
posted by Aya Hirano on the Astral Plane at 2:44 AM on June 19 [6 favorites]


Aya Hirano on the Astral Plane: My wife had never really played any video games until a little over a year ago, when a friend of mine was visiting and we all played some Mario Kart and she immediately got surprisingly good at it. She then picked up Breath of the Wild and took to it quickly, finding ways to play very cautiously that never would have occurred to me, and when Tears of the Kingdom came out like a month later did the same there. She is way better at those games than I am by this point, and your description above is more or less exactly how she deals with the big-ass enemies like gleeoks and lynels and stuff, including having a transport gate at the Hyrule Castle spire so she can easily grab a new dusk bow every blood moon. All this to say: very good advice there.

Also, while she's not excited about a new 2D (or 2.5D or whatever you'd call it) Zelda game, she's psyched for Zelda finally being the protagonist. I myself loved the Link's Awakening Switch remake, so I'm down for this on day one in any case, but Zelda being the playable character is a big, big bonus there.

People are already surmising that Metroid Prime 4 will be a crossgen launch title for the Switch 2, which when combined with Pokémon Legends: Z-A is just...look, Nintendo knows their business quite well.

I've never managed to get into Metroid, but Pokémon Legends: Arceus was seriously so good, and Legends Z-A has a lot of room to take those good ideas and build on them, that I'm ridiculously excited for that one.
posted by Navelgazer at 5:42 AM on June 19 [3 favorites]


having a transport gate at the Hyrule Castle spire so she can easily grab a new dusk bow every blood moon. All this to say: very good advice there

literally me irl

Also, while she's not excited about a new 2D (or 2.5D or whatever you'd call it) Zelda game, she's psyched for Zelda finally being the protagonist. I myself loved the Link's Awakening Switch remake, so I'm down for this on day one in any case, but Zelda being the playable character is a big, big bonus there.

yeah i agree, like mario odyssey also had a very cutesy style to it but is one of my favorite game in that franchise, so it doesn't bother me at all here; mostly psyched for playing zelda
posted by Aya Hirano on the Astral Plane at 6:01 AM on June 19 [2 favorites]




Thanks for the advice, but actually I'm talking about Moragia in particular, that fight has you aim Yunobo from the glider at each of the three heads, and it'd be fine but I just can't get the glider to face the right way before a pop-up comes up going 'you've left the battle area!' and it makes me try again.
posted by HypotheticalWoman at 2:02 PM on July 2


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