"His only qualification is a viral rant at a city council meeting."
September 25, 2024 10:09 AM   Subscribe

Mark Robinson is the future of the GOP (The American Prospect, Sept. 2024, content warning: hate speech).

How J.D. Vance's tweets explain modern conservatism (The Nation, Sept. 2023).

Rise of the Republican Edgelord (Salon, Aug. 2023, on Vivek Ramaswamy)

X is becoming a drag on the GOP (The American Conservative, Sept. 2024).
posted by box (52 comments total) 13 users marked this as a favorite
 
That American Conservative piece is quite, um, somthing.

Anybody who has spent any time on the platform has noticed the near-ubiquity of generally distasteful content. This includes racist content, which seems to be supercharged by the algorithm preference system for some reason or another.

If you're going to feign cluelessness, you should pick something other than that.
posted by Dr. Twist at 10:25 AM on September 25 [32 favorites]


Increasingly, "Let's all just take our masks off" is the GOP vibe.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 10:30 AM on September 25 [14 favorites]


Also notable in the Robinson story is this succession of events after CNN's damning exposé on Robinson's outlandish and/or disturbing comments on porn sites:

1) Robinson swears this is all hacking/fakery/AI
2) Conservative IT gurus offer to step in and help him prove this
3) Robinson declines their offer
4) His staff largely resigns
posted by DirtyOldTown at 10:36 AM on September 25 [45 favorites]


NC resident and voter checking in. We've known Mark Robinson was awful for years. Nothing in the CNN report was surprising. I think the theory that the GOP is finally dropping him because of the adult content he liked to watch is interesting. I wonder also if they just looked at the raw numbers, saw he was losing to Stein, realized this wouldn't help, and cut their losses.
posted by TheKaijuCommuter at 10:36 AM on September 25 [14 favorites]


5) Amid mounting evidence, Robinson admits that some of the scandalous accusations are true, but not the worst ones, and that the media is exaggerating this whole thing
6) Amid mounting evidence, Robinson admits that the worst accusations are true, but everybody else does these things, and the Democrats do them worse
7) Robinson looks directly into news cameras and says "I did it all, and fuck you"
8) Robinson is keynote speaker at National Prayer Breakfast
[Fake, until it's not]
posted by Rykey at 10:50 AM on September 25 [40 favorites]


I think the theory that the GOP is finally dropping him because of the adult content he liked to watch is interesting.

They don't care what he watches -- as a matter of fact, they'd love to hang on to it as kompromat. They don't even care that he got caught -- there's no higher accomplishment in the modern GOP than to get caught and skate on the consequences. They're dropping him because he wouldn't be able to skate on the consequences.
posted by tclark at 10:54 AM on September 25 [12 favorites]


That American Conservative piece is quite, um, somthing.

Of course, they can bring themselves to admit that the pet-eating is a lie.
Yes, hyper-informed Zoomers will scroll long enough to find out that Springfield, Ohio’s city manager did, in fact, receive reports of Haitian animal sacrifices.
All they needed to add was "false" before reports.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 10:58 AM on September 25 [12 favorites]


As a fun side note, the 3rd party ads served on the American Prospect are all for AR-15 cases. Jesus Christ.
posted by Abehammerb Lincoln at 11:09 AM on September 25 [10 favorites]


I think this is the straw that broke the camel’s back because commenting on a porn site is weird. For conservatives, watching porn is fine regardless of content as long as you try to hid it. It just makes you a hypocrite, which is a core value. They consider it a power move. Legislating against the very thing you’re engaging in is seen as powerful because it shows your willingness to favor the in-group over any other principles.

But commenting? That’s not a power move. That’s just weird.
posted by fryman at 11:12 AM on September 25 [33 favorites]


That American Conservative piece is quite, um, somthing.

Among (many) other things, it's trying to reclaim the word "weird" and I don't think that is going to work.

I enjoy scrolling on X as much as the next politico, but the platform is generally incomprehensible or frightening for most Americans, especially older Americans. The issue set promoted and discussed on the site may percolate out to a wider audience, but it’s often received without necessary context and winds up making the discussing parties appear, for lack of a better term, weird. ... Voters who aren’t scrolling X perceive some degree of weirdness, creating a reality that GOP campaigns across the country are being forced to confront.
posted by chavenet at 11:17 AM on September 25 [3 favorites]


4) His staff largely resigns

Honestly, I don't think for a minute his staff resigned because of this scandal. Before any of this hit he was a holocaust denier, a public misogynist, an embracer of conspiracy theories. And there were already credible narratives about his penchant for porn. All of it was public, all of it well known.

His staff resigned because they don't want their wagon hitched to a guaranteed loser. It's not less cynical than that. They are all amoral grifters.
posted by mcstayinskool at 11:44 AM on September 25 [41 favorites]


What else would the staff do, unionize?
posted by the antecedent of that pronoun at 11:59 AM on September 25 [7 favorites]


I halfway think the idea of "republicans can get away with anything, and if they can't get away with something, they're out" isn't a useful framing, or maybe has the line of causality backwards. There seems to be more of a respiratory rhythm here--angry populism draws in both voters and candidates, and for a time, the angry stuff wins attention. But it's boring after a while (ineffective at governance too, but that never seems to be a factor), and stops bringing in the votes and eyeballs, and at that point, the republicans begin to trim down who they support based on their usual guidelines. Like, there's a reason Robinson is out and Gaetz isn't?
posted by mittens at 12:15 PM on September 25 [3 favorites]


Like, there's a reason Robinson is out and Gaetz isn't?

Racism?
posted by tommasz at 12:17 PM on September 25 [17 favorites]


“What are the specific mechanics of how prices come down? You know, the steps that would be taken in a second term for you?”
“First of all, she can’t do an interview. She could never do this interview because you ask questions like give me a specific answer. She talks about her lawn when she was growing up. This woman is not equipped to be president. She’s not equipped to deal with President Xi, who I was very, I took in hundreds of billions of dollars with him and Putin. We had no war with Putin. Remember, and I’m just gonna go off just for this. With Bush, they took a lot. Russia. With Biden, they’re trying to take everything. With Obama, they took a lot. With Trump, Russia took nothing. Just remember that, you know, it’s a little, a little chart. But what happened? And when you look at what took place was so sad, when they took over, they cut the oil way down and oil started going through the roof. It was gonna go to $10 a gallon. It was gonna go to numbers that nobody’s ever seen. And so they went back to the Trump drilling, they said, ‘let it go back’. That was the only good thing. But they stopped because I would be there, but four years later, I would be triple what the number was. Right now they’re just about even where I was. But they only did that because of the fact that they eventually have an election coming up.

And you remember at the beginning what happened. That’s one of the reasons that Putin went in because it went to $100 a barrel instead of $40 a barrel. And he could fight all the wars he wants with those kind of numbers, cause he’s a big seller of oil and gas. So what happens is they went back to what I was doing, just said reopen. Just reopen. It wasn’t hard. It’s so crazy what they wanna do. They’re gonna destroy lives. They’re gonna destroy the, what they have done to this country. And especially in the sense of allowing millions and millions of people come in because that’s something, you know, we can fix the gasoline situation and we can fix the, anything.”
This is destroying my brain.
posted by kirkaracha at 12:24 PM on September 25 [19 favorites]


Vice President Kamala Harris on the Economy; live now.

Compare and contrast:
"I HAVE A CHART THAT'S MY ALL TIME FAVORITE. I love tha..... is it around? .... is it around ... *wanders off and hugs the air* ... I sleep with that chart every night. I kiss it. I love it."
posted by kirkaracha at 12:31 PM on September 25 [1 favorite]


When I was in high school, a teacher had a sign up in the classroom:

MAKE SURE BRAIN IS ENGAGED BEFORE PUTTING MOUTH IN ACTION

Clearly, this is an example of not having a brain engaged. The mouth moves, sounds come out, but it’s just noise, no information.
posted by njohnson23 at 12:35 PM on September 25 [1 favorite]


From the Prospect article:
Yet here's Robinson referring to Black folks as “Schvartze,” a Yiddish slur akin to the n-word

His use of "schvartzes" isn't just more anti-black racism. It's main focus is anti-semitic. Here's the quote they reference (he's talking about the movie Black Panther):

How can this trash, that was only created to pull the shekels out of your Schvartze pockets, invoke any pride?

Anyway, my point is he seems nice. Real leadership material.
posted by PlusDistance at 12:53 PM on September 25 [7 favorites]


Compare and contrast:

"I HAVE A CHART THAT'S MY ALL TIME FAVORITE.."


I really think there's nothing wrong with a love of charts and data. As with many things, it's about whether you can speak about it like a normal person who just happens to love data and not some fucking weirdo.

Compare and contrast Trump's chart love with Madame Vice President's fondess for Venn diagrams.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 12:57 PM on September 25


Yup, he was found in other places talking about "Hebs" [sic] and of course the Holocaust denial, so very much into antisemitism. He's talking about Black people from the imagined perspective of Jewish nefariousness.
posted by Lord Chancellor at 12:57 PM on September 25 [4 favorites]


He’s not any different from the rest of the GOP . Anyone who didn’t spit at Trump’s feet and walk away the minute the Access Hollywood tape came out is worthless. The entire party is spineless worms with horrible prejudices and laughably bad policy ideas. I stress this because people need to remember that Robinson isn’t worse for the country than, say, Mitch McConnell. They’re all terrible in their own ways. Some of it is patriarchy . I can’t imagine just doing something because my boss said, or the President said, or God said, or my friend from the country club said, or my commanding officer said. To me all those things represent abdication of one’s responsibilities as a thinking human, but Republicans love saluting shit.
posted by caviar2d2 at 3:15 PM on September 25 [16 favorites]


I find myself continually enraged at political media throwing their hands in the air in mock bewilderment at how we have arrived at such a parlous situation. The same publications that pretended not to know the difference between neutrality and objectivity, or even right and wrong, are now surprised that the political landscape is overrun by a cast of characters lacking in strategy, skill or the merest scruple. In my lifetime there is no industry in the world that has so consistently failed in its function as the political media (in the UK and US at least), and has yet managed to persist.

I mean, obviously, fuck this guy, but he is only the immediate symptom, he is not the problem.
posted by Jakey at 3:32 PM on September 25 [10 favorites]


I can't believe you've all missed this, from right near the start of the Prospect piece:
Robinson, a 56-year-old internet edgelord and former furniture upholsterer
Emphasis mine. The conspiracy goes deeper than we thought.
posted by flabdablet at 3:41 PM on September 25 [32 favorites]


Are you suggesting JD Vance has his back as a quid-pro-quo, paying back coverups of couchfucking? I'm sold.
posted by axiom at 3:48 PM on September 25 [11 favorites]


GOP in disarray.

Seriously, what is the future of the Republican Party at this point? If you don’t show fealty to their orange idol you get drummed out. And like most, I am just aghast at the fact that the presidential race is even close. I think the only hope of for the GOP to lose horribly up and down the ballot. They could write another autopsy that they’ll then ignore but hopefully people will realize that the whole party of off the rails and do something to try and recreate a success opposition party that is Vance and his ilk.
posted by misterpatrick at 3:51 PM on September 25 [6 favorites]


I really think there's nothing wrong with a love of charts and data.
posted by neuron at 3:55 PM on September 25


Are you suggesting JD Vance has his back as a quid-pro-quo, paying back coverups of couchfucking?

We report. You decide.
posted by flabdablet at 4:18 PM on September 25 [6 favorites]


I was actually wondering why Harris doesn't use charts more. For example, crime rates are lower than they were under Trump.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:24 PM on September 25


The conspiracy goes deeper than we thought.

It’s not the crime, it’s the coverup.
posted by mhoye at 5:33 PM on September 25 [8 favorites]


The Antimacassar Legacy
posted by flabdablet at 6:22 PM on September 25 [1 favorite]


Mark Robinson is the future of the GOP

He's literally the present of the GOP. Look at Trump. Loomer. Greene. The list continues... just awful bigotry, lies and grift all the way down. There's nothing left to save, if there ever was.
posted by His thoughts were red thoughts at 8:27 PM on September 25 [7 favorites]


His staff resigned because they don't want their wagon hitched to a guaranteed loser. It's not less cynical than that. They are all amoral grifters.
posted by mcstayinskool


One of the hard lessons in life is that some people have no better angels to whom the rest of us can appeal.
posted by Pouteria at 1:22 AM on September 26 [5 favorites]


Clearly, this is an example of not having a brain engaged. The mouth moves, sounds come out, but it’s just noise, no information.

Which is exactly what his base and enablers expect and devour. The classroom bully doesn't work extra hard to earn a better algebra test score than the class nerd. He flushes the nerd's algebra book down the toilet and gives the nerd a wedgie, because fuck that shit. The problem is that the bullies have overrun the school system.
posted by Rykey at 8:24 AM on September 26 [2 favorites]


And yet what does the NYT have as its most importantly political article today? A wonderful love story about how wonderful JD Vance and his Mom are together! It's so heartwarming and wonderful. "The Great Read" and a "Remarkable Team".

Just pure objective journalism there, that's what that is... Cause objectively, and obviously, JD Vance and his wonderful mom are factually wonderful. I love the NYT!
posted by WatTylerJr at 10:07 AM on September 26 [12 favorites]


I loved how they had that Vance article and yet were still posting on the side about how awful Trump is.

The New York Times is washed SFGATE columnist Drew Magary is done with caring about the Times, and you should be, too
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:12 AM on September 26 [7 favorites]


"One of the hard lessons in life is that some people have no better angels to whom the rest of us can appeal."

Gandhi's answer was (something like) "Have you tried?"

But yeah. :(

I know that lesson.

The basic problem though, is you can't separate the ones where it'll work and the ones where it won't. Just a matter of probabilities. And you're going to be in a bad place if you guess wrong.
posted by aleph at 10:29 AM on September 26 [2 favorites]


Of course, with some people, the probabilities are vanishingly small. But then again, it's *me* making the judgement/probability call.
posted by aleph at 10:32 AM on September 26 [1 favorite]


1) Robinson swears this is all hacking/fakery/AI

The Mysterious Case of Who Shit My Pants
posted by BungaDunga at 10:46 AM on September 26 [3 favorites]


The Bulwark's The GOP's TRAINWRECK of a Majority Will Go Down in History! (w/Dana Milbank) was scary as they expected that when Kamala Harris wins there will be a Stop The Steal II courtesy Mike Johnson and there will be one more day in January that will live in infamy. Wherein Milbank details how when he became Speaker, one of the first things McCarthy did was have a bidet installed in his office. Which at the very least gives the expression Christ, what an asshole! a whole new nuance to the herein clientele.
posted by y2karl at 1:36 PM on September 26


“Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land in our rear and on both of our flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, and try to think what we are going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do.”

Ulysses S. Grant on Robert E. Lee, 1864
posted by kirkaracha at 2:09 PM on September 26 [7 favorites]


Read the JD Vance Dossier
It reportedly comes from an alleged Iranian government hack of the Trump campaign, and since June, the news media has been sitting on it (and other documents), declining to publish in fear of finding itself at odds with the government’s campaign against “foreign malign influence.”

I disagree. The dossier has been offered to me and I’ve decided to publish it because it’s of keen public interest in an election season. It’s a 271-page research paper [link added; PDF] the Trump campaign prepared to vet now vice presidential candidate J.D. Vance. As far as I can tell, it hasn’t been altered, but even if it was, its contents are publicly verifiable. I’ll let it speak for itself.
posted by kirkaracha at 4:13 PM on September 26 [2 favorites]


Also, Elon doesn't want you to see it.
posted by jenfullmoon at 4:22 PM on September 26 [1 favorite]


extremely funny considering that exhibit A in the MAGA world's grievances against oldTwitter was it banning the Hunter Biden laptop story
posted by BungaDunga at 4:31 PM on September 26 [2 favorites]


Read the JD Vance Dossier

Those who've seen it so far say it mostly consists of Vance saying bad things about Trump. No real news, there.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 7:25 PM on September 26


A small amount of J.D. Vance news: Twitter DMs from 2020 where he says to an anonymous correspondent “Trump has just so thoroughly failed to deliver on his economic populism (excepting a disjointed China policy)” and, later, “I think Trump will probably lose,” “I’ve already turned down my appointment from the emperor,” and “M4A is maybe a net positive, maybe not (details matter).”

(That's it, that's the whole story.)
posted by box at 9:28 AM on September 27


It's really unforgivable that this document was floating around out there and no one thought to add in a section on couch fucking before releasing it wide.
posted by DirtyOldTown at 12:02 PM on September 27 [1 favorite]


It scarcely seems possible, but things are getting uglier in MAGA world.

Distill Social on X
As independent media, we’ve attended many Trump/MAGA rallies over the years. Typically, these events are predictable—energized, but generally orderly. We approach attendees, offer interviews, and often have pleasant, even insightful, conversations. Sometimes people decline, and we move on. We rarely feel unsafe or threatened.

But tonight’s rally at Macomb Community College was different.

We arrived later than usual, knowing Trump would be arriving late himself. The crowd outside was rowdier than usual, and something felt off. People were visibly drunk and high—generally not atmosphere we’ve come to expect. We were even offered drugs, something we had never experienced before.

Things took a darker turn when one of our team members was sexually harassed by a man who grabbed her and tried to forcibly kiss her. This crossed a line we couldn’t ignore. The energy had shifted. Feeling unsafe, we made the decision to leave early, along with hundreds of others who, like us, saw Trump start his speech and then headed for the exits.

This experience was a stark contrast to the rallies we’ve covered in the past, where we’ve always felt we could do our job without fear. Tonight was different, and if this is a sign of what’s to come, it’s deeply concerning. We’ll continue to cover these events because it’s our job, but what happened tonight in Macomb County was not acceptable. When you cultivate a culture that marginalizes women, subjugates them and when your rhetoric shows a clear disrespect we can’t be too surprised that supporters would act this way.
We still processing the events of the night and we are home safe now. Thank you for listening.
posted by non canadian guy at 9:48 PM on September 27 [2 favorites]




J.D. Vance suffers latest embarrassment at Primanti Bros. (a Pittsburgh institution known for sandwiches topped with fries and cole slaw)

In other J.D. Vance regional-favorite sandwich news: goes to Pat's King of Steaks in Philly, asks why they don't have Swiss cheese.

Again and again, 'J.D. Vance ain't from here.'
posted by box at 9:18 AM on September 29 [1 favorite]


I don't get it. Is Vance trolling us or is this some sort of ignorance brag. The guy is a viable candidate for Vice President of the US. Why doesn't he have people to scope these events out and pre answer all his questions.

If nothing else you'd think the SS would have to at least have a look around before he got there.
posted by Mitheral at 1:17 PM on September 29


Oh right Secret Service.
posted by ishmael at 1:30 PM on September 29 [3 favorites]


I often double-take with these yahoos. It's a really high percentage of weirdo nazi-adjacent so far.
posted by ishmael at 1:31 PM on September 29


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