An American Banquet
October 1, 2024 9:14 AM Subscribe
CNN has put out a list of twenty great American dishes - a list that shows the surprising breadth of the food we eat that have become iconic in American cuisine. (SLCNN)
What makes the list transcend the usual sort is the thought put into the choices - while there are foods you would expect like barbecue and chili, you also have things like the Native staple frybread, regional classics like poke and gumbo, and immigrant dishes that became staples like spaghetti and meatballs and General Tso's chicken. The list even includes the humble peanut butter and jelly sandwich, which is one of those quintessential pieces of Americana alongside apple pie and chocolate chip cookies (both also on the list.)
What makes the list transcend the usual sort is the thought put into the choices - while there are foods you would expect like barbecue and chili, you also have things like the Native staple frybread, regional classics like poke and gumbo, and immigrant dishes that became staples like spaghetti and meatballs and General Tso's chicken. The list even includes the humble peanut butter and jelly sandwich, which is one of those quintessential pieces of Americana alongside apple pie and chocolate chip cookies (both also on the list.)
(So yeah, I saw this through LGM, but I agreed with the assessment that this is a good list that captures a lot of the aspects of what truly makes American cuisine.)
posted by NoxAeternum at 9:18 AM on October 1 [2 favorites]
posted by NoxAeternum at 9:18 AM on October 1 [2 favorites]
I think I could get any of these foods within a 20 minute walk of my downtown office, I feel pretty good about that!
I’m not going too, I brought lunch today.
posted by lepus at 9:22 AM on October 1 [1 favorite]
I’m not going too, I brought lunch today.
posted by lepus at 9:22 AM on October 1 [1 favorite]
There's lots of foods not on that list that could be argued for, but in general - that's a pretty solid list and I would eat anything on it in a heartbeat.
Wonder if the wife would be ok with me switching dinner tonight to Shrimp grits.
posted by drewbage1847 at 9:27 AM on October 1 [3 favorites]
Wonder if the wife would be ok with me switching dinner tonight to Shrimp grits.
posted by drewbage1847 at 9:27 AM on October 1 [3 favorites]
The list:
Barbecue
Fried okra
Cobb salad
Peanut butter and jelly sandwich
Fry bread
Red beans and rice
Hamburger
Apple pie
Poke
Chili
Clam chowder
General Tso’s chicken
Reuben sandwich
Grits
Chocolate chip cookie
Gumbo
Mission burrito
Banana pudding
Spaghetti and meatballs
Eggs Benedict
posted by AlSweigart at 9:27 AM on October 1 [30 favorites]
Barbecue
Fried okra
Cobb salad
Peanut butter and jelly sandwich
Fry bread
Red beans and rice
Hamburger
Apple pie
Poke
Chili
Clam chowder
General Tso’s chicken
Reuben sandwich
Grits
Chocolate chip cookie
Gumbo
Mission burrito
Banana pudding
Spaghetti and meatballs
Eggs Benedict
posted by AlSweigart at 9:27 AM on October 1 [30 favorites]
Dangerous monkey's paw moment of wishing I had some fried okra right now. The convenience store grill used to do fried okra but it wasn't a big seller and they dropped it. Now, that was not perhaps the very finest in fried okra, but fried okra is like pizza in that it has to be really darn bad before I will not want to eat it.
posted by Frowner at 9:33 AM on October 1 [6 favorites]
posted by Frowner at 9:33 AM on October 1 [6 favorites]
I also want fried okra. It's one of the few things I miss about growing up in North Carolina.
posted by humbug at 9:44 AM on October 1 [3 favorites]
posted by humbug at 9:44 AM on October 1 [3 favorites]
Same here. Fried okra is hard to find in California (at least the LA area). Every time I go back to Oklahoma I make sure to fill up on fried okra, chicken fried steak and biscuits and gravy. Not exactly a healthy diet but that's my comfort food.
posted by downtohisturtles at 9:47 AM on October 1 [3 favorites]
posted by downtohisturtles at 9:47 AM on October 1 [3 favorites]
The only possibly-notable omission on this list might be the French Dip sandwich, invented in Los Angeles at either Cole's or Phillippe's.
posted by tclark at 9:49 AM on October 1 [18 favorites]
posted by tclark at 9:49 AM on October 1 [18 favorites]
Very pleased to discover recently that one of the vendors in the Orlando airport now stocks peanut butter and jelly sandwiches (actually strawberry jam)! Even at $9.99. :|
Pickins are generally slim for foods without animal products.
posted by Glinn at 9:50 AM on October 1 [3 favorites]
Pickins are generally slim for foods without animal products.
posted by Glinn at 9:50 AM on October 1 [3 favorites]
It does strike me that these dishes are mostly extremely meaty and basically none except the okra are vegetable-centric. Do we have vegetable dishes that could go on a list like this?
If it's not purely a popularity contest, I think at least some potato dishes and some American vegetarian and vegan dishes could go on a list of notable American recipes - they might not be as popular as hamburgers but surely some corn dishes and more bean-forward bean dishes would fill the bill?
posted by Frowner at 9:54 AM on October 1 [2 favorites]
If it's not purely a popularity contest, I think at least some potato dishes and some American vegetarian and vegan dishes could go on a list of notable American recipes - they might not be as popular as hamburgers but surely some corn dishes and more bean-forward bean dishes would fill the bill?
posted by Frowner at 9:54 AM on October 1 [2 favorites]
Nava Atlas's Great American Vegetarian cookbook (earlier edition was titled American Harvest) has plenty of things that could appear on such a list. Off the top of my head:
* Anadama bread (which is tasty as all getout, one of my favorite breads to make at home)
* Harvard beets
* Shoofly pie
* Succotash (also excellent)
posted by humbug at 10:06 AM on October 1 [2 favorites]
* Anadama bread (which is tasty as all getout, one of my favorite breads to make at home)
* Harvard beets
* Shoofly pie
* Succotash (also excellent)
posted by humbug at 10:06 AM on October 1 [2 favorites]
Introduced my European wife to PB&Js and her response was basically "OMG! Where have you been all my life?" The same is true really of anything on The Gumbo Pages or in Southern Living.
posted by vacapinta at 10:07 AM on October 1 [6 favorites]
posted by vacapinta at 10:07 AM on October 1 [6 favorites]
I think corn is the most American ingredient, so would have had more than one corn-based food on the list, or perhaps have replaced grits with cornbread, which is more common outside of the South.
posted by Mr.Know-it-some at 10:09 AM on October 1 [12 favorites]
posted by Mr.Know-it-some at 10:09 AM on October 1 [12 favorites]
My personal thought was that succotash was missing and cornbread deserved more than a sidenote in the chili entry, but I'd be hard-pressed to argue what they should replace.
Potato dishes might be a little tricky because disentangling what originated in the USA vs South America or Europe seems like it could be challenging.
posted by EvaDestruction at 10:13 AM on October 1 [1 favorite]
Potato dishes might be a little tricky because disentangling what originated in the USA vs South America or Europe seems like it could be challenging.
posted by EvaDestruction at 10:13 AM on October 1 [1 favorite]
replaced grits with cornbread, which is more common outside of the South
oh you're asking for an argument
but apart from that this list doesn't look like it's supposed to be dishes that are common all over the country
posted by Kutsuwamushi at 10:13 AM on October 1 [1 favorite]
oh you're asking for an argument
but apart from that this list doesn't look like it's supposed to be dishes that are common all over the country
posted by Kutsuwamushi at 10:13 AM on October 1 [1 favorite]
On one hand, I would argue that a carnivore diet is representative of typical American cuisine, despite wishes for it to be different. American cuisine is still much closer to German and English cookery with its emphasis on meat and potatoes than, say, Indian or Thai cooking.
On the other hand vegetarian dishes that are distinctly American that do deserve some mention/honor
1. Caesar salad (though also arguably the most under-the-radar Mexican dish imaginable. Invented in Baja but popularized in the US, and yes, canonically should include anchovies, but my experience is that 75% of the Caesars that I've eaten have omitted the anchovy.)
2. Avocado toast
3. Succotash
4. Cream of Wheat
5. Green bean casserole (and generally cream of mushroom soup as America's answer to bechamel)
posted by bl1nk at 10:14 AM on October 1 [12 favorites]
On the other hand vegetarian dishes that are distinctly American that do deserve some mention/honor
1. Caesar salad (though also arguably the most under-the-radar Mexican dish imaginable. Invented in Baja but popularized in the US, and yes, canonically should include anchovies, but my experience is that 75% of the Caesars that I've eaten have omitted the anchovy.)
2. Avocado toast
3. Succotash
4. Cream of Wheat
5. Green bean casserole (and generally cream of mushroom soup as America's answer to bechamel)
posted by bl1nk at 10:14 AM on October 1 [12 favorites]
I know it's just a listicle, but it pains me to see barbecue and not see collard greens, cole slaw, mac and cheese, or potato salad.
posted by credulous at 10:22 AM on October 1 [11 favorites]
posted by credulous at 10:22 AM on October 1 [11 favorites]
I know it's just a listicle, but it pains me to see barbecue and not see collard greens, cole slaw, mac and cheese, or potato salad.
Or ambrosia salad.
posted by fuse theorem at 10:44 AM on October 1 [3 favorites]
Or ambrosia salad.
posted by fuse theorem at 10:44 AM on October 1 [3 favorites]
Rolls: lobster, California, Parker House.
posted by box at 10:45 AM on October 1 [10 favorites]
posted by box at 10:45 AM on October 1 [10 favorites]
I'd add to the list:
Brownies
Deviled eggs
Nashville hot chicken sandwich
Tater tots
Loaded baked potatoes
posted by emelenjr at 10:51 AM on October 1 [7 favorites]
Brownies
Deviled eggs
Nashville hot chicken sandwich
Tater tots
Loaded baked potatoes
posted by emelenjr at 10:51 AM on October 1 [7 favorites]
I contend that nothing is more American than Mexican-style French Bread Pizza.
posted by SPrintF at 10:59 AM on October 1 [2 favorites]
posted by SPrintF at 10:59 AM on October 1 [2 favorites]
(ctrl-f) "grape salad"
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Ok CNN, you win this one.
posted by Sphinx at 11:01 AM on October 1 [2 favorites]
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Ok CNN, you win this one.
posted by Sphinx at 11:01 AM on October 1 [2 favorites]
It does strike me that these dishes are mostly extremely meaty and basically none except the okra are vegetable-centric.
That’s part of what makes it so American! Slightly more seriously, within any cuisine is the social, material, and economic conditions of the culture that produced it—and for the case of America that involves massive subsidies to the meat industry and regulatory capture by same to facilitate cheap, abundant meat, and cultural scorn on those who don’t partake.
I’ve had a colleague who’d moved to the US and was flabbergasted that meat is cheaper than vegetables. This had never really occurred to me before but it really shouldn’t be.
posted by Jon_Evil at 11:03 AM on October 1 [7 favorites]
That’s part of what makes it so American! Slightly more seriously, within any cuisine is the social, material, and economic conditions of the culture that produced it—and for the case of America that involves massive subsidies to the meat industry and regulatory capture by same to facilitate cheap, abundant meat, and cultural scorn on those who don’t partake.
I’ve had a colleague who’d moved to the US and was flabbergasted that meat is cheaper than vegetables. This had never really occurred to me before but it really shouldn’t be.
posted by Jon_Evil at 11:03 AM on October 1 [7 favorites]
Caesar salad is American. Sure, it was invented in Tijuana, but it was invented at a restaurant that catered to Americans, during Prohibition, on the fourth of July.
And if we're talking about foods that were invented on or near the border to feed a bunch of hungry Americans, we can't forget nachos.
posted by madcaptenor at 11:13 AM on October 1 [7 favorites]
And if we're talking about foods that were invented on or near the border to feed a bunch of hungry Americans, we can't forget nachos.
posted by madcaptenor at 11:13 AM on October 1 [7 favorites]
And fajitas.
posted by box at 11:15 AM on October 1 [2 favorites]
posted by box at 11:15 AM on October 1 [2 favorites]
#1 should have been "Fried"
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 11:28 AM on October 1 [3 favorites]
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 11:28 AM on October 1 [3 favorites]
If we want to talk about non-meat American recipes (or at least those that can be made without meat...)
Nachoes, which despite the Times headline are definitely a Tex-Mex dish.
Grape-Nut pudding, which tastes exactly like Durgin-Park to me.
Hush Puppies, surprised it didn't make the CNN list.
And then stuff like poke sallet, wild rice, potato chips, ice cream cones... I'd throw in pizza and greek salad, too, because our versions are very distinct from their "ancestor" dishes.
posted by Playdoughnails at 11:36 AM on October 1 [3 favorites]
Nachoes, which despite the Times headline are definitely a Tex-Mex dish.
Grape-Nut pudding, which tastes exactly like Durgin-Park to me.
Hush Puppies, surprised it didn't make the CNN list.
And then stuff like poke sallet, wild rice, potato chips, ice cream cones... I'd throw in pizza and greek salad, too, because our versions are very distinct from their "ancestor" dishes.
posted by Playdoughnails at 11:36 AM on October 1 [3 favorites]
They almost even understood fried okra. But then that picture... oy, no.
posted by atbash at 12:09 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
posted by atbash at 12:09 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
Having been born and grown up in Louisiana, I’m super pleased that both gumbo and red beans and rice (my favorite meal) is on the list.
Living in Cincinnati for the last thirty years years, let me say that the fact that Skyline even got mentioned is an embarrassment.
posted by MrGuilt at 12:12 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
Living in Cincinnati for the last thirty years years, let me say that the fact that Skyline even got mentioned is an embarrassment.
posted by MrGuilt at 12:12 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
It does strike me that these dishes are mostly extremely meaty and basically none except the okra are vegetable-centric.
They did include grits (shrimp or other meats totally optional, and despite the photo they even said so) and chocolate chip cookies.
But, on a very different hand, they also included a photo of "gumbo" that's primarily red, and has a pile of like 15-count shrimp and whole crab legs in it, which... maybe there's some place where that's considered gumbo, but not at my house.
posted by atbash at 12:17 PM on October 1 [3 favorites]
They did include grits (shrimp or other meats totally optional, and despite the photo they even said so) and chocolate chip cookies.
But, on a very different hand, they also included a photo of "gumbo" that's primarily red, and has a pile of like 15-count shrimp and whole crab legs in it, which... maybe there's some place where that's considered gumbo, but not at my house.
posted by atbash at 12:17 PM on October 1 [3 favorites]
Skyline/Cincinnati Chilli is pretty distinctive. Before moving to Cincinnati, I had never heard of it. Other things that Cincinnati claim like goetta have close analogues in other part of the country.
posted by mmascolino at 12:21 PM on October 1
posted by mmascolino at 12:21 PM on October 1
I was hoping for something more like an insider's guide to American cuisine. Everyone knows about chili or burritos, but lovers of Southwestern/Mexican cuisine love chili rellenos.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 12:23 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 12:23 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
As an outsider, my immediate thought would to replace the apple pie with something more distinctively American. Pecan pie, or pumpkin pie, or peach cobbler or something.
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 12:43 PM on October 1 [3 favorites]
posted by Bloxworth Snout at 12:43 PM on October 1 [3 favorites]
I think corn is the most American ingredient, so would have had more than one corn-based food on the list
Well notwithstanding that three Cajun / Creole inclusions might have seemed one too many (to some at least), I think Maque choux would have been a delightful vegetarian inclusion. After all, what could be more appropriate than a corn-centric amalgam of Creole and Native American cultural influences - even the name is presumed to derive from the French interpretation of the Native American name.
posted by thecincinnatikid at 12:44 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
Well notwithstanding that three Cajun / Creole inclusions might have seemed one too many (to some at least), I think Maque choux would have been a delightful vegetarian inclusion. After all, what could be more appropriate than a corn-centric amalgam of Creole and Native American cultural influences - even the name is presumed to derive from the French interpretation of the Native American name.
posted by thecincinnatikid at 12:44 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
Red Beans and Rice can easily be made vegan. I get the addition of andouille, especially if you want it to be an entire meal, but I always preferred cooking with ham hocks, because a) it’s really cheap, b) it’s almost a by-product, and c) you cannot pretend you aren’t cooking an animal — it’s a humble dish, and, like many humble things, very in-your-face.
posted by GenjiandProust at 12:50 PM on October 1
posted by GenjiandProust at 12:50 PM on October 1
There are few things I love to cook and eat more than gumbo. Alas, my wife is allergic to a couple of the standard ingredients and I don't want to make it without them or make it just for myself. It's hard to find in restaurants here in Western NY but always a treat when I find one that has it.
posted by tommasz at 12:53 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
posted by tommasz at 12:53 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
Maybe an entry for the entire cobbler family — cobblers, crumbles, grunts, etc. Again, relatively humble dishes that can be fancied up significantly should you so choose.
I’m not sure banana pudding is wide-spread enough to hold a spot…
posted by GenjiandProust at 12:56 PM on October 1 [6 favorites]
I’m not sure banana pudding is wide-spread enough to hold a spot…
posted by GenjiandProust at 12:56 PM on October 1 [6 favorites]
Agreed it needs more corn. We eat a LOT of corn.
And yes, now I am hungry
posted by Windopaene at 1:06 PM on October 1
And yes, now I am hungry
posted by Windopaene at 1:06 PM on October 1
But not more corn syrup.
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 1:10 PM on October 1 [3 favorites]
posted by dances_with_sneetches at 1:10 PM on October 1 [3 favorites]
It wouldn't be a metafilter post without grumbling so I'm here to say that they're right* about poke, but the poke bowl pictured is an absolute monstrosity. An abomination, even.
(*except they're not because poke is Hawaiian it is not American)
posted by deadbilly at 1:14 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
(*except they're not because poke is Hawaiian it is not American)
posted by deadbilly at 1:14 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
Australian with a lot of family in America here. It’s a pretty solid list but the omission of Chicago-style deep dish pizza is bizarre.
posted by the duck by the oboe at 1:15 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
posted by the duck by the oboe at 1:15 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
Isn't cold cereal with milk pretty American? The Swiss love their Muesli but I thought nobody else has the whole supermarket aisles of breakfast cereal boxes like you see in North America.
OTOH I can't stomach the nomination of succatash I see upthread - its just a mix of two cooked vegetables with a funny name which barely qualifies as a 'dish' IMO. Is it even served anywhere outside of school cafeterias?
And yes - Cobbler!
posted by Rash at 1:16 PM on October 1
OTOH I can't stomach the nomination of succatash I see upthread - its just a mix of two cooked vegetables with a funny name which barely qualifies as a 'dish' IMO. Is it even served anywhere outside of school cafeterias?
And yes - Cobbler!
posted by Rash at 1:16 PM on October 1
Are we saying Caesar salad is vegetarian? Because it most certainly is not, if it's made correctly. Anchovies are, well, fish.
posted by cooker girl at 1:21 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
posted by cooker girl at 1:21 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
pb&j is prison food and I will not be dissuaded
posted by dame at 1:23 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
posted by dame at 1:23 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
Even if no anchovies, there is almost always worcestershire sauce which has fish in it.
posted by Carillon at 1:23 PM on October 1 [4 favorites]
posted by Carillon at 1:23 PM on October 1 [4 favorites]
As an outsider, my immediate thought would to replace the apple pie with something more distinctively American
As the well known saying goes,
posted by zamboni at 1:33 PM on October 1 [10 favorites]
As the well known saying goes,
American as… something more distinctively American.
posted by zamboni at 1:33 PM on October 1 [10 favorites]
Succotash has been done dirty by industrial production. Historically it was a seasonal stew of fresh or dried corn and beans with whatever else might be available. While it's often vegetarian today, it doesn't have to be, and it definitely doesn't have to be withered lima beans and sad corn.
posted by EvaDestruction at 1:44 PM on October 1 [4 favorites]
posted by EvaDestruction at 1:44 PM on October 1 [4 favorites]
Also, if you’re making succotash, fresh or frozen ingredients (or freshly cooked from dried beans) really makes the dish shine. Like a lot of things, it’s a simple dish, so getting the best ingredients you can and treating them with respect goes a long way.
posted by GenjiandProust at 1:48 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
posted by GenjiandProust at 1:48 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
Same here. Fried okra is hard to find in California (at least the LA area).
We have it though! Gus's in Mid City has it, Harold & Belle's in South LA, Bludso's in Hollywood, Dulan's in Inglewood, have seen it at various other soul food places over the years. We have it!
posted by kensington314 at 1:56 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
We have it though! Gus's in Mid City has it, Harold & Belle's in South LA, Bludso's in Hollywood, Dulan's in Inglewood, have seen it at various other soul food places over the years. We have it!
posted by kensington314 at 1:56 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
Hoppin John or Succotash would have been highly appropriate. Apparently, they culled to their limit as opposed to padded. Thus showing the shortcomings of an arbitrarily limited list.
posted by DeepSeaHaggis at 2:08 PM on October 1
posted by DeepSeaHaggis at 2:08 PM on October 1
Succotash has been done dirty by industrial production.
I do have it on good authority that succotash has suffered greatly.
posted by zamboni at 2:12 PM on October 1 [23 favorites]
I do have it on good authority that succotash has suffered greatly.
posted by zamboni at 2:12 PM on October 1 [23 favorites]
pb&j is prison food
That's a weird way to spell "elite athlete food".
posted by Parasite Unseen at 2:22 PM on October 1 [6 favorites]
That's a weird way to spell "elite athlete food".
posted by Parasite Unseen at 2:22 PM on October 1 [6 favorites]
I do have it on good authority that succotash has suffered greatly.
It's ACKTUSHALLY not the succotash that has suffered. It's the cat that takes the beatings.
I only recently learned succotash was a real food an not just a Looney Tunes curse word. I'm really enjoying these coy illusions to the cartoons.
posted by The_Vegetables at 2:27 PM on October 1 [3 favorites]
It's ACKTUSHALLY not the succotash that has suffered. It's the cat that takes the beatings.
I only recently learned succotash was a real food an not just a Looney Tunes curse word. I'm really enjoying these coy illusions to the cartoons.
posted by The_Vegetables at 2:27 PM on October 1 [3 favorites]
It’s a pretty solid list but the omission of Chicago-style deep dish pizza is bizarre.depending on how much violence any of us feel like choosing, we could even say all pizza with red sauce is actually American. (Alberto Grandi previously)
I do also like how the CNN list does want to go there with regards to General Tso's Chicken and Spaghetti and Meatballs, so we should also add for the subgenre of hyphenated immigrant cuisine:
- fortune cookies
- garlic bread
- Chinese chicken salad
- rooster sauce (as distinguished from Thai Sriracha)
- Filipino Spaghetti (spaghetti noodles + American cheese + vienna sausage)
- French taco (arguably if a Mission burrito and doner kebab went on a date)
- Hawaiian pizza (invented in Ontario, Canada!)
Okra: Never had fried TBH, but it is just so slimey in other forms I have had...
And I have always considered succotash to be related to Hominy, which, lye, no thanks, but I see that I have always been wrong on that.
I think an Oscar Meyer bologna sandwish on Wonder bread with mayo should be on here, but certainly not "great american dishes".
posted by Windopaene at 2:52 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
And I have always considered succotash to be related to Hominy, which, lye, no thanks, but I see that I have always been wrong on that.
I think an Oscar Meyer bologna sandwish on Wonder bread with mayo should be on here, but certainly not "great american dishes".
posted by Windopaene at 2:52 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
this thread may also be interested in second order mutations -- international food based on American imports.
I recently learned about the Japanese/TexMex mashup of Okinawa Taco Rice
posted by knobknosher at 2:55 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
I recently learned about the Japanese/TexMex mashup of Okinawa Taco Rice
posted by knobknosher at 2:55 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
I really liked this list. The one thing that felt like it might be missing is the hot dog (or perhaps the corn dog).
posted by knobknosher at 2:56 PM on October 1 [4 favorites]
posted by knobknosher at 2:56 PM on October 1 [4 favorites]
I love cajun food like gumbo and etouffee. I often make okra and tomatos, usually okra, tomato paste, celery, filé powder (sassafras), bay leaf, garlic, salt, pepper, maybe thyme, maybe onions, so basically a vegeterian gumbo.
Also, okra stops being slimy if you cook it long enough, Windopaene, so one typically cooks it a while before adding anything else. I've head viniger removes the mucilage too, but really you want that thickening effect.
posted by jeffburdges at 3:04 PM on October 1
Also, okra stops being slimy if you cook it long enough, Windopaene, so one typically cooks it a while before adding anything else. I've head viniger removes the mucilage too, but really you want that thickening effect.
posted by jeffburdges at 3:04 PM on October 1
Surprisingly solid list. As a Floridian I will say I feel like key lime pie or Cubano sandwiches could have made that list. Maybe even a grouper sandwich.
Another weirdo food hybrid that is good as hell and a great example of the kinds of wonderful nonsense American cuisine does well is the delta tamale.
posted by saladin at 3:34 PM on October 1 [3 favorites]
Another weirdo food hybrid that is good as hell and a great example of the kinds of wonderful nonsense American cuisine does well is the delta tamale.
posted by saladin at 3:34 PM on October 1 [3 favorites]
I only recently learned succotash was a real food an not just a Looney Tunes curse word. I'm really enjoying these coy illusions to the cartoons.
posted by The_Vegetables
I expected better from you, The_Vegetables! It’s vegetables!
posted by GenjiandProust at 4:25 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
posted by The_Vegetables
I expected better from you, The_Vegetables! It’s vegetables!
posted by GenjiandProust at 4:25 PM on October 1 [2 favorites]
pb&j is prison food and I will not be dissuaded
Fluffernutter is the choice of refined, if sticky, palates
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 4:26 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
Fluffernutter is the choice of refined, if sticky, palates
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 4:26 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
Even though I strongly dislike okra (I just can’t get past the texture, so I just eat around it because it does add nice flavor), this is an excellent list. Especially the inclusion of PB&J and the Mission Burrito. A Mission Burrito is a divine thing that deserves recognition.
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 4:47 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 4:47 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
deadbilly, I came into this thread to make basically that same comment! Poke deserves better than what the continent has done to it.
posted by flod at 6:50 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
posted by flod at 6:50 PM on October 1 [1 favorite]
I have no problems with this list or the additional suggestions, but I am surprised no one has mentioned the classic club sandwich (or it’s even more common offspring, the BLT)
posted by cali at 7:48 PM on October 1 [5 favorites]
posted by cali at 7:48 PM on October 1 [5 favorites]
Light on Eastern European influence = needs more pierogi
posted by Tandem Affinity at 10:27 PM on October 1 [3 favorites]
posted by Tandem Affinity at 10:27 PM on October 1 [3 favorites]
Had an instant flashback to the HotDish discussion on MeFi this past August.
Going to read the posted article now.
posted by Faintdreams at 4:13 AM on October 2 [1 favorite]
Going to read the posted article now.
posted by Faintdreams at 4:13 AM on October 2 [1 favorite]
I'm really enjoying these coy illusions to the cartoons.
Yeah I came here to make that joke but zamboni's was too perfect to try and top. 11/10.
posted by howbigisthistextfield at 4:37 AM on October 2 [2 favorites]
Yeah I came here to make that joke but zamboni's was too perfect to try and top. 11/10.
posted by howbigisthistextfield at 4:37 AM on October 2 [2 favorites]
sassafras
I was interested in getting a sassafras tree so I could make tea but reading up on it I was dismayed to learn that it is carcinogenic. We had these trees in our yard when I was growing up and drank the tea regularly.
posted by waving at 4:40 AM on October 2
I was interested in getting a sassafras tree so I could make tea but reading up on it I was dismayed to learn that it is carcinogenic. We had these trees in our yard when I was growing up and drank the tea regularly.
posted by waving at 4:40 AM on October 2
Notable Omissions:
Hot dog
Cubano sandwich
Deviled eggs
Pumpkin pie (and pumpkin spice flavor more broadly)
Pimento cheese
Banana pudding, apple pie, Eggs Benedict don’t really belong on this type of list anymore. Maybe 25 years ago they did. Respectfully.
posted by edithkeeler at 5:51 AM on October 2 [1 favorite]
Hot dog
Cubano sandwich
Deviled eggs
Pumpkin pie (and pumpkin spice flavor more broadly)
Pimento cheese
Banana pudding, apple pie, Eggs Benedict don’t really belong on this type of list anymore. Maybe 25 years ago they did. Respectfully.
posted by edithkeeler at 5:51 AM on October 2 [1 favorite]
I lived in Germany for a few years and at the grocery there were items advertised as American, and were the most god awful quality and supersized. Stuff I’ve never seen in America and certainly not something most Americans (I know, anyway) would consider eating. Bread far worse than Wonderbread, peanut butter with corn syrup come to mind.
posted by waving at 6:10 AM on October 2 [2 favorites]
posted by waving at 6:10 AM on October 2 [2 favorites]
nobody else has the whole supermarket aisles of breakfast cereal boxes like you see in North America
These days I can’t tell whether I am in a breakfast aisle or a candy aisle. It’s legitimately disturbing to me and makes me feel old (I’m there looking for muesli or maybe grape nuts?)
posted by caution live frogs at 6:22 AM on October 2 [2 favorites]
These days I can’t tell whether I am in a breakfast aisle or a candy aisle. It’s legitimately disturbing to me and makes me feel old (I’m there looking for muesli or maybe grape nuts?)
posted by caution live frogs at 6:22 AM on October 2 [2 favorites]
I'm extremely happy that so many Southern staples made the list, but have to say that the fact that Fried Chicken isn't on the list is my one critique. Lots of the world fries chicken in some manner, but floured or lightly battered fried chicken seems very American to me (apologies to Korea, yours is definitely second best).
posted by griffey at 6:26 AM on October 2
posted by griffey at 6:26 AM on October 2
I've seen some claims that Korean fried chicken originated from American fried chicken and was brought over during the Korean War - obviously Koreans *could* have fried chicken before that but it seems like they didn't.
posted by madcaptenor at 7:24 AM on October 2
posted by madcaptenor at 7:24 AM on October 2
> Banana pudding, apple pie, Eggs Benedict don’t really belong on this type of list anymore.
Why not?
posted by The corpse in the library at 9:11 AM on October 2 [2 favorites]
Why not?
posted by The corpse in the library at 9:11 AM on October 2 [2 favorites]
TFA’s first line: “America is called a melting pot – and that’s certainly true of its food.” To my mind, there are so many better exemplars of this specific framing and context than yt Eurocentric fare such as banana pudding, apple pie, and Eggs Benedict is why.
posted by edithkeeler at 9:48 AM on October 2 [1 favorite]
posted by edithkeeler at 9:48 AM on October 2 [1 favorite]
For what it’s worth, I think that fried chicken entered Japan via Portuguese traders in the mid-16th C, and I wouldn’t be surprised to discover that China had picked it up around then, too (assuming they hadn’t developed it themselves). So Korea could have gotten it from either neighbor or even directly from the Portuguese.
posted by GenjiandProust at 10:23 AM on October 2 [1 favorite]
posted by GenjiandProust at 10:23 AM on October 2 [1 favorite]
> TFA’s first line: “America is called a melting pot – and that’s certainly true of its food.” To my mind, there are so many better exemplars of this specific framing and context than yt Eurocentric fare such as banana pudding, apple pie, and Eggs Benedict is why
Banana pudding is "yt Eurocentric fare"?
posted by The corpse in the library at 11:08 AM on October 2
Banana pudding is "yt Eurocentric fare"?
posted by The corpse in the library at 11:08 AM on October 2
Banana pudding is "yt Eurocentric fare"?
Yes, UK origin. Yt “foodie” writers have occasionally tried to spin this into an African-American family cookout favorite, but it is not. Not where I am from. Yt Southerners evidently enjoy it though, but I digress.
posted by edithkeeler at 12:12 PM on October 2
Yes, UK origin. Yt “foodie” writers have occasionally tried to spin this into an African-American family cookout favorite, but it is not. Not where I am from. Yt Southerners evidently enjoy it though, but I digress.
posted by edithkeeler at 12:12 PM on October 2
As a UK person I'm pretty surprised at the suggestion that we invented banana pudding, do you have a cite for that? I've always thought it was an American thing.
posted by quacks like a duck at 12:31 PM on October 2 [2 favorites]
posted by quacks like a duck at 12:31 PM on October 2 [2 favorites]
The thing about succotash is you're halfway to Brunswick Stew, which is one more thing that's missing from this list.
posted by atbash at 12:32 PM on October 2
posted by atbash at 12:32 PM on October 2
I grew up in Texas with okra growing in our backyard. It was remained a favorite food. But I moved to Oregon 20+ years ago and seldom see it. One supermarket has had it all summer and one Indian grocer has it sometimes. People who have lived their whole lives in Oregon have rarely if ever eaten it and most have never even seen it.
Nowadays with my health issues I avoid deep fried and instead stir fry it in minimal oil with salt subtitute (it needs a lot), fresh black pepper, and sometimes garlic or onion.
posted by neuron at 1:14 PM on October 2 [1 favorite]
Nowadays with my health issues I avoid deep fried and instead stir fry it in minimal oil with salt subtitute (it needs a lot), fresh black pepper, and sometimes garlic or onion.
posted by neuron at 1:14 PM on October 2 [1 favorite]
> Rolls: lobster
I agree. Not including lobster is a mistake, especially not in its greatest form, the lobster roll.
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:11 PM on October 2 [1 favorite]
I agree. Not including lobster is a mistake, especially not in its greatest form, the lobster roll.
posted by The corpse in the library at 3:11 PM on October 2 [1 favorite]
As I understand it, bananas originate from Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines, but were brought to Africa thousands of years ago, so even pharaohs might've eaten sweetened banana desserts. Afaik the sweat cream plus sweat bread parts sound European, but including the banana could be African even if it first occured in the UK.
posted by jeffburdges at 4:51 PM on October 2
posted by jeffburdges at 4:51 PM on October 2
Banana pudding is "yt Eurocentric fare"?
Yes, UK origin.
I have yet to find a UK banana pudding recipe earlier than the 1888 Good Housekeeping (American) recipe.
If banana pudding was invented in the UK you'd think the Guardian would mention it in their "How to Make the Perfect Banana Pudding" column- Felicity Cloake is actually slightly puzzled RE: the American style "pudding" component:
A Californian friend quickly disabuses me of the notion that this pudding is anything like our own Angel Delight; less whipped and moussey, she says nostalgically, thicker, but not as solid as, say, a blancmange – it should be spoonable but not runny, light but not airy.
Until I see convincing evidence to the contrary, banana pudding is an American dessert.
posted by oneirodynia at 9:09 PM on October 2 [3 favorites]
Yes, UK origin.
I have yet to find a UK banana pudding recipe earlier than the 1888 Good Housekeeping (American) recipe.
If banana pudding was invented in the UK you'd think the Guardian would mention it in their "How to Make the Perfect Banana Pudding" column- Felicity Cloake is actually slightly puzzled RE: the American style "pudding" component:
A Californian friend quickly disabuses me of the notion that this pudding is anything like our own Angel Delight; less whipped and moussey, she says nostalgically, thicker, but not as solid as, say, a blancmange – it should be spoonable but not runny, light but not airy.
Until I see convincing evidence to the contrary, banana pudding is an American dessert.
posted by oneirodynia at 9:09 PM on October 2 [3 favorites]
The name is a good clue, since in the UK "pudding" as a specific type of food means steamed sponge puddings and similar carby stodge, like a Christmas pudding, a spotted dick or a sticky toffee pudding - not light creamy or blancmange-y things, which we don't eat much of. American "pudding" is not a thing here, as oneirodynia points out.
We do also use the word "pudding" to refer to a generic dessert course in a meal, but then it wouldn't come with an adjective.
posted by quacks like a duck at 2:37 AM on October 3 [1 favorite]
We do also use the word "pudding" to refer to a generic dessert course in a meal, but then it wouldn't come with an adjective.
posted by quacks like a duck at 2:37 AM on October 3 [1 favorite]
For what it’s worth, I think that fried chicken entered Japan via Portuguese traders in the mid-16th C...
The Portuguese are often the 'frying' culprits. Tempura was introduced to Japan by the Portuguese and it was Portuguese Jews that are the source of "British" fish and chips. (The Portuguese also introduced tea-drinking to England but thats another topic)
posted by vacapinta at 3:55 AM on October 3 [2 favorites]
The Portuguese are often the 'frying' culprits. Tempura was introduced to Japan by the Portuguese and it was Portuguese Jews that are the source of "British" fish and chips. (The Portuguese also introduced tea-drinking to England but thats another topic)
posted by vacapinta at 3:55 AM on October 3 [2 favorites]
> meat is cheaper than vegetables
Wait, really?
posted by lucidium at 7:34 AM on October 3 [1 favorite]
Wait, really?
posted by lucidium at 7:34 AM on October 3 [1 favorite]
I'd like to see this done for each state and I will begin with Michigan:
Coney dogs
Pizza (Fight me!)
Pasties
Cherry Pie
posted by jasondigitized at 7:50 AM on October 3 [1 favorite]
Coney dogs
Pizza (Fight me!)
Pasties
Cherry Pie
posted by jasondigitized at 7:50 AM on October 3 [1 favorite]
West Virginia: Pepperoni Rolls
posted by mmascolino at 9:01 AM on October 3
posted by mmascolino at 9:01 AM on October 3
I'd like to see this done for each state
In the words of many a TV chef, here’s one we prepared earlier.
posted by zamboni at 12:16 PM on October 3 [1 favorite]
In the words of many a TV chef, here’s one we prepared earlier.
posted by zamboni at 12:16 PM on October 3 [1 favorite]
zamboni has it covered for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Cheesesteak and Primanti Brothers.
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 3:49 PM on October 4
posted by theBigRedKittyPurrs at 3:49 PM on October 4
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