BC Election
October 18, 2024 5:43 PM Subscribe
British Columbia goes to the polls [Global]. A rather complicated situation in BC: the old opposition party, BC United, quit (or at least its leader did)[CBC], and handed things over to the Conservatives. A bunch of BC United's candidates are running as independents [CBC]-- this includes five incumbents. So the Right-wing vote is split. Meanwhile, the Green Party seems to be doing okay (14% in the polls, leader doing well in her riding [Pollara]). The governing party right now is the New Democratic Party, which is social democratic.
The US Presidential election is affecting people's perception of the Conservatives. The leader, John Rustad, has been an anti-vaxxer[CTV], climate-change denier[Tyee], and anti-Gay/Trans[Maple Ridge News]. People are put off by Trump-style lunacy and the Conservatives have a lot of loons[CBC].
The US Presidential election is affecting people's perception of the Conservatives. The leader, John Rustad, has been an anti-vaxxer[CTV], climate-change denier[Tyee], and anti-Gay/Trans[Maple Ridge News]. People are put off by Trump-style lunacy and the Conservatives have a lot of loons[CBC].
Oh boy, BC, I hope the best for y'all.
posted by Kitteh at 6:28 PM on October 18 [2 favorites]
posted by Kitteh at 6:28 PM on October 18 [2 favorites]
I was wondering if a post would go up for this. We're expecting dreadful weather in the lower mainland over the next day which I hope doesn't depress turnout too much. On the other hand, we've smashed the record for advanced voting with a million votes already cast (28% of registered electors, 20% of the population!)
I may come back with more links. But most of all please hope for us! Many good things have happened or are underway under this government, and many bad things will happen if the BC Conservatives are elected. They're being penalized by confusion about the difference between federal and provincial politics and parties, not to mention their willingness to act against some very powerful interests and piss off certain powerful people.
posted by lookoutbelow at 7:01 PM on October 18 [4 favorites]
I may come back with more links. But most of all please hope for us! Many good things have happened or are underway under this government, and many bad things will happen if the BC Conservatives are elected. They're being penalized by confusion about the difference between federal and provincial politics and parties, not to mention their willingness to act against some very powerful interests and piss off certain powerful people.
posted by lookoutbelow at 7:01 PM on October 18 [4 favorites]
Advance voted last week and have been showing off my I Voted sticker on my phone since! (and, up until Wednesday, telling everyone about how easy and great advance voting is).
It is rare that Canadian politics gives me anything to smile about lately, but David Eby got a chuckle out of me a few months ago when he coined the term Pierre Poilievre baloney factory
posted by btfreek at 7:13 PM on October 18
It is rare that Canadian politics gives me anything to smile about lately, but David Eby got a chuckle out of me a few months ago when he coined the term Pierre Poilievre baloney factory
posted by btfreek at 7:13 PM on October 18
I live not far from where Chip Wilson (founder of Lululemon, billionaire, owner of one of the most expensive homes in the province, and Vancouver's discount store version of Elon Musk) resides. Recently, he "delighted" neighbours and passer-bys with a giant sign on his giant house calling the NDP (current ruling provincial party, kinda center-left to the extent that it wants to tax the 1%, not the middle class) a bunch of communists, and urging all and sundry to vote conservative.
The sign was promptly defaced with derogatory comments and not-very-Canadian epithets. Local yummy-mummies and dog walkers snickered at the bad words. It was then removed.
He followed up with an editorial in a local paper with the usual boilerplate complaining that taxing the rich would dissuade courageous innovators from taking risks that lead to great businesses that create jobs for a grateful populace, and that supporters of the NDP are lazy good-for-nothings who want handouts in exchange for doing no productive work. You know, the usual brilliantly convincing Republican talking points.
In return, David Eby, our current provincial Premier and NDP leader spoke to the press, with a satirical billboard that happened to be in the shot.
A very "Vancouver" rivalry.
Meanwhile, the conservatives (who inherited a weird coalition that spans the center right to the batshit far-right) are busy trying to tamp down on the steady diet of embarrassing leaks, as their more unsavoury members keep having to disavow earlier tweets and revelations. John Rustad is adopting a strategy of silence on his views, hoping that just saying "axe the tax" and "tough on crime" will do the trick. (NB. For non-Canadians, "the tax" is the Carbon tax (an initiative to raise the cost of fossil fuels to reduce emissions and the bete-noire of Conservatives (who think Canada should keep maximizing its oil and gas industries). Also, alliterative three-word slogans is the strategy used by Federal Conservatives to demagogue their way to victory: axe the tax, build the homes, stop the crimes, empty promises with no plan to back them up other than leveraging discontent). If Poillievre (Federal) styles himself after Trump, Rustad makes me think of a rumpled version of RFK Jr: anti-vax, climate skeptic, you know, what some op-eds call an "out of the box thinker". Grrr.
Still, there's a rich irony is seeing these giant, blue, vote Conservative banners on the side of mega-mansions along our Golden Mile.
Let's hope our fellow British Columbians come to their senses. "We don't need this fascist groove thang", as Heaven 17 used to sing.....
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 7:57 PM on October 18 [10 favorites]
The sign was promptly defaced with derogatory comments and not-very-Canadian epithets. Local yummy-mummies and dog walkers snickered at the bad words. It was then removed.
He followed up with an editorial in a local paper with the usual boilerplate complaining that taxing the rich would dissuade courageous innovators from taking risks that lead to great businesses that create jobs for a grateful populace, and that supporters of the NDP are lazy good-for-nothings who want handouts in exchange for doing no productive work. You know, the usual brilliantly convincing Republican talking points.
In return, David Eby, our current provincial Premier and NDP leader spoke to the press, with a satirical billboard that happened to be in the shot.
A very "Vancouver" rivalry.
Meanwhile, the conservatives (who inherited a weird coalition that spans the center right to the batshit far-right) are busy trying to tamp down on the steady diet of embarrassing leaks, as their more unsavoury members keep having to disavow earlier tweets and revelations. John Rustad is adopting a strategy of silence on his views, hoping that just saying "axe the tax" and "tough on crime" will do the trick. (NB. For non-Canadians, "the tax" is the Carbon tax (an initiative to raise the cost of fossil fuels to reduce emissions and the bete-noire of Conservatives (who think Canada should keep maximizing its oil and gas industries). Also, alliterative three-word slogans is the strategy used by Federal Conservatives to demagogue their way to victory: axe the tax, build the homes, stop the crimes, empty promises with no plan to back them up other than leveraging discontent). If Poillievre (Federal) styles himself after Trump, Rustad makes me think of a rumpled version of RFK Jr: anti-vax, climate skeptic, you know, what some op-eds call an "out of the box thinker". Grrr.
Still, there's a rich irony is seeing these giant, blue, vote Conservative banners on the side of mega-mansions along our Golden Mile.
Let's hope our fellow British Columbians come to their senses. "We don't need this fascist groove thang", as Heaven 17 used to sing.....
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 7:57 PM on October 18 [10 favorites]
My riding has a women who sells MLMs and other sketchy stuff as the Conservative candidate, a Dr from Kelowna General as the Independent, and a long time and much respected city counsellor running for the NDP. I'm hoping that personal respect will flip a very, very conservative riding to the NDP.
posted by Canageek at 8:23 PM on October 18 [3 favorites]
posted by Canageek at 8:23 PM on October 18 [3 favorites]
I voted last weekend. Maybe I'm wrong but I perceive a perceptible shift away from advance polls because you are going to be out of town to a system where polls are open whenever, last day of voting is tomorrow.
And did I get a cool as fuck sticker? No, I did not
Therefore I'm completely disattached to the results and I just want the whole system burnt down. And thats how you birth anarchists.
posted by Keith Talent at 11:15 PM on October 18 [2 favorites]
And did I get a cool as fuck sticker? No, I did not
Therefore I'm completely disattached to the results and I just want the whole system burnt down. And thats how you birth anarchists.
posted by Keith Talent at 11:15 PM on October 18 [2 favorites]
Hey, Keith Talent, I voted early too, and was also denied the sticker I had been hoping for!
I will spend the rest of my days making the case for BC to adopt Michigan's screaming-werewolf-tearing-its-shirt-off sticker that a US kid designed: Max-the-tax! Keep-the-vax! Stick-the-wolf!
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 11:25 PM on October 18 [7 favorites]
I will spend the rest of my days making the case for BC to adopt Michigan's screaming-werewolf-tearing-its-shirt-off sticker that a US kid designed: Max-the-tax! Keep-the-vax! Stick-the-wolf!
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 11:25 PM on October 18 [7 favorites]
I’m mad at the BC NDP for the same reason I’m pissed at the federal liberals - they promised voting reform and then didn’t do it. Getting rid of fptp would have kept the conservatives out basically forever.
posted by congen at 6:04 AM on October 19 [4 favorites]
posted by congen at 6:04 AM on October 19 [4 favorites]
When I lived in BC, I supported the NDP, but John Horgan beraying the province over the Site C dam, and then David Eby ratfucking the leadership race to edge out Anjali Appadurai rubbed me very much the wrong way.
Still, no province deserves to get screwed by Conservative lunatics. And I don't think the Greens have what it takes to win this soo......go NDP, I guess?
posted by mrjohnmuller at 6:11 AM on October 19 [5 favorites]
Still, no province deserves to get screwed by Conservative lunatics. And I don't think the Greens have what it takes to win this soo......go NDP, I guess?
posted by mrjohnmuller at 6:11 AM on October 19 [5 favorites]
One can always hope for an NDP minority who can form a coalition with the Greens. I think the Greens would not let the NDP backslide on electoral reform this time.
posted by ssg at 6:54 AM on October 19 [3 favorites]
posted by ssg at 6:54 AM on October 19 [3 favorites]
Can't vote Conservative, can't vote for anyone who would split the vote and risk a Conservative win. The race is too close to take that chance.
I was one of the record breaking first-day voters. Also didn't get a sticker, but wasn't looking for them so maybe I missed it. I'm not sure why everyone wants one, tbh.
Edited to add: Electoral reform is a non-starter. There are so many better systems, but all of them require more than a 30 second read of an explanation to understand. Sadly, enough of our population either doesn't understand, doesn't want to understand, or understands that any reform would kill their party almost permanently. And the combination of all these groups is enough to ensure we can't reach the threshold to change. Reform has to be legislated without public involvement if we want it to make any progress.
posted by Snowflake at 8:44 AM on October 19 [1 favorite]
I was one of the record breaking first-day voters. Also didn't get a sticker, but wasn't looking for them so maybe I missed it. I'm not sure why everyone wants one, tbh.
Edited to add: Electoral reform is a non-starter. There are so many better systems, but all of them require more than a 30 second read of an explanation to understand. Sadly, enough of our population either doesn't understand, doesn't want to understand, or understands that any reform would kill their party almost permanently. And the combination of all these groups is enough to ensure we can't reach the threshold to change. Reform has to be legislated without public involvement if we want it to make any progress.
posted by Snowflake at 8:44 AM on October 19 [1 favorite]
BC has had three referendums on electoral reform in the last 20 years, including in 2018 in response to an NDP electoral promise. No dice, yet.
posted by lookoutbelow at 9:57 AM on October 19
posted by lookoutbelow at 9:57 AM on October 19
Conspiracy Theory Milhouse, also known as John Rustad, is an equivocating goon who won't quite come out and denounce some of the odious comments his candidates have made in over the years.
The Conservatives were pretty much a non entity as far as political parties in British Columbia go then Kevin Falcon's insane ineptitude as leader of the more traditional right wing party, BC United, resulted in a massive implosion allowing The Conservatives to step into the resulting vacuum on the political spectrum.
So, we have the unseemly spectacle of conspiracy theorists, residential school apologists, climate change denialisms, out right racists, and festering wing nuts of all stripes poised to grab a level of political power they have never come close to before in this province.
Here's a handy guide to this feckless goon squad, it's bonkers, but, here we are.
I wish everyone well, as well as our province, and I dearly hope the Cons do not get in.
posted by Phlegmco(tm) at 11:25 AM on October 19 [3 favorites]
The Conservatives were pretty much a non entity as far as political parties in British Columbia go then Kevin Falcon's insane ineptitude as leader of the more traditional right wing party, BC United, resulted in a massive implosion allowing The Conservatives to step into the resulting vacuum on the political spectrum.
So, we have the unseemly spectacle of conspiracy theorists, residential school apologists, climate change denialisms, out right racists, and festering wing nuts of all stripes poised to grab a level of political power they have never come close to before in this province.
Here's a handy guide to this feckless goon squad, it's bonkers, but, here we are.
I wish everyone well, as well as our province, and I dearly hope the Cons do not get in.
posted by Phlegmco(tm) at 11:25 AM on October 19 [3 favorites]
I woke up with a cold but still braved the weather to go out and vote (I masked up, ofc) in a very safe NDP riding (Burnaby E). Turnout matters.
No lineups because there are, literally, a dozen voting places within a few kilometers of my apartment. All I needed to vote was to present my MSP (medical services plan) card (or any other government issued photo id). They had a cool scantron thing that counted the ballot immediately while retaining the paper record.
The voting place even had a "vote by mail" drop-off so last minute mail-in ballots could still be counted.
No sticker, though =(
posted by porpoise at 12:12 PM on October 19 [2 favorites]
No lineups because there are, literally, a dozen voting places within a few kilometers of my apartment. All I needed to vote was to present my MSP (medical services plan) card (or any other government issued photo id). They had a cool scantron thing that counted the ballot immediately while retaining the paper record.
The voting place even had a "vote by mail" drop-off so last minute mail-in ballots could still be counted.
No sticker, though =(
posted by porpoise at 12:12 PM on October 19 [2 favorites]
BC has had three referendums on electoral reform in the last 20 years, including in 2018 in response to an NDP electoral promise. No dice, yet.
Yet?!? Call me crazy but three votes against electoral reform tell me the people have spoken.
posted by monkeymike at 12:18 PM on October 19
Yet?!? Call me crazy but three votes against electoral reform tell me the people have spoken.
posted by monkeymike at 12:18 PM on October 19
Call me crazy but three votes against electoral reform tell me the people have spoken.
Well, the first one was actually 58% for electoral reform (STV), so that's hardly a vote against it (the threshold was set at 60%). And the last one was ridiculously complicated and the materials the government put out were confusing and made the whole thing seem incredibly complex. It was clear that the NDP decided they'd rather stick with FPTP and went about the referendum process in a way that it was very unlikely to succeed.
We should have left FPTP behind in 2005 after the clear majority of people voted against it, but here we are nearly 20 years later still worrying about splitting the vote.
posted by ssg at 12:39 PM on October 19 [5 favorites]
Well, the first one was actually 58% for electoral reform (STV), so that's hardly a vote against it (the threshold was set at 60%). And the last one was ridiculously complicated and the materials the government put out were confusing and made the whole thing seem incredibly complex. It was clear that the NDP decided they'd rather stick with FPTP and went about the referendum process in a way that it was very unlikely to succeed.
We should have left FPTP behind in 2005 after the clear majority of people voted against it, but here we are nearly 20 years later still worrying about splitting the vote.
posted by ssg at 12:39 PM on October 19 [5 favorites]
I voted last weekend. Maybe I'm wrong but I perceive a perceptible shift away from advance polls because you are going to be out of town to a system where polls are open whenever, last day of voting is tomorrow.
You used to need an accepted reason to vote early, now you can just do it.
Voted early Sunday before heading out of town for work and it was the most painless interaction I've ever had at a church or school (my polling place was both). Three lines, only two people there (myself and my spouse), and the fancy scanner so I didn't have to perform a test of origami to deposit my vote.
No sticker though. And no mini billboard for post voting pictures (I think that was a federal thing).
posted by Mitheral at 1:56 PM on October 19
I got a sticker -it blew off my jacket in the wind and rain within 5 minutes.
For all BC/Vancouver/Canada’s issues though, holy *shit* do they have it together with actual voting. Always impeccably well run, incredibly easy to register, tons of options to vote and lots of time to do it in - it’s very impressive.
posted by Jon Mitchell at 2:36 PM on October 19 [3 favorites]
For all BC/Vancouver/Canada’s issues though, holy *shit* do they have it together with actual voting. Always impeccably well run, incredibly easy to register, tons of options to vote and lots of time to do it in - it’s very impressive.
posted by Jon Mitchell at 2:36 PM on October 19 [3 favorites]
No lineups, took 5 minutes, very easy. I'm wearing my sticker :)
@monkeymike not necessarily - I seem to recall at least one of those referendums was phrased extremely confusingly.
posted by elizabot at 2:58 PM on October 19
@monkeymike not necessarily - I seem to recall at least one of those referendums was phrased extremely confusingly.
posted by elizabot at 2:58 PM on October 19
If you want to avoid TV personalities and ads Eric Grenier and Philipe Fournier are livestreaming results on YouTube starting at 8:00 PST.
posted by Depressed Obese Nightmare Man at 4:28 PM on October 19
posted by Depressed Obese Nightmare Man at 4:28 PM on October 19
elizabot: @monkeymike not necessarily - I seem to recall at least one of those referendums was phrased extremely confusingly.
That reminds me of an interesting previously about electoral reform which led me to Referendums: A tool for informed decision-making?. Apparently a referendum is what you do when you want the answer to be "no", and there's often a 20-percentage-point swing from public support in polling for something to what the referendum result ends up being.
posted by clawsoon at 4:29 PM on October 19 [3 favorites]
That reminds me of an interesting previously about electoral reform which led me to Referendums: A tool for informed decision-making?. Apparently a referendum is what you do when you want the answer to be "no", and there's often a 20-percentage-point swing from public support in polling for something to what the referendum result ends up being.
posted by clawsoon at 4:29 PM on October 19 [3 favorites]
That oppo dossier Phlegmco(tm) mentions [“handy guide to this feckless goon squad”] is like nothing I’ve ever seen in Canadian politics. The original link to the dossier included in the PressProgress article has been taken down, but someone on Reddit has linked to an archived copy: https://www.reddit.com/r/britishcolumbia/comments/1fx6671/comment/lqmk63d/.
All the research in the dossier is stuff that is or was publicly available on social media or media (some has been deleted): Twitter, Facebook, news articles and TV/radio interviews.
Just to give flavour, the Table of Contents subsections include:
Shame on Kevin Falcon for forcing his party to merge with a group of people he was actively doing opposition research on and declaring as dangerous mere weeks before. On Aug. 27, he told reporters, “In this day and age, we cannot have a situation where you have candidates running for office that believe that cellphone towers are genocidal weapons and that credit cards are a sign of the antichrist, and that we’re all heading for some kind of rapture. This is insanity. We have to have common-sense people that are bringing forward common-sense solutions to the challenges we face in British Columbia.” On Aug. 28, he announced that his party would be merging with the same party he had blasted the day before.
Many (most?) of the BC United MLAs/candidates had no idea that was coming ahead of time. I don’t have a lot of sympathy for them, because their party practically ruined BC in their 16 year reign, but it was a sucker punch from Falcon. The BC Cons must have promised Falcon something really shiny in return for his cowardice and betrayal.
I’m going to be plunged into a pretty bad headspace if the BC Cons win the election. Do I like every single thing the NDP have done since in power? No, but I think they’ve been a steady governing power through some pretty difficult times, they did a lot better than the BC Liberals would have done, and there is zero question they are better than this pack of uninformed bigots called the BC Conservatives.
posted by hurdy gurdy girl at 5:34 PM on October 19 [2 favorites]
All the research in the dossier is stuff that is or was publicly available on social media or media (some has been deleted): Twitter, Facebook, news articles and TV/radio interviews.
Just to give flavour, the Table of Contents subsections include:
- Conspiracies & Extremism
- Misogynistic or Weird
- Racism or Racial Insensitivity
- Antisemitism & Holocaust Comparisons
- Climate Change [Denialism] & Environment
- Medical Quackery
- Reconciliation [anti-Indigenous, pro-colonial]
- Crazy Views on US Politics
Shame on Kevin Falcon for forcing his party to merge with a group of people he was actively doing opposition research on and declaring as dangerous mere weeks before. On Aug. 27, he told reporters, “In this day and age, we cannot have a situation where you have candidates running for office that believe that cellphone towers are genocidal weapons and that credit cards are a sign of the antichrist, and that we’re all heading for some kind of rapture. This is insanity. We have to have common-sense people that are bringing forward common-sense solutions to the challenges we face in British Columbia.” On Aug. 28, he announced that his party would be merging with the same party he had blasted the day before.
Many (most?) of the BC United MLAs/candidates had no idea that was coming ahead of time. I don’t have a lot of sympathy for them, because their party practically ruined BC in their 16 year reign, but it was a sucker punch from Falcon. The BC Cons must have promised Falcon something really shiny in return for his cowardice and betrayal.
I’m going to be plunged into a pretty bad headspace if the BC Cons win the election. Do I like every single thing the NDP have done since in power? No, but I think they’ve been a steady governing power through some pretty difficult times, they did a lot better than the BC Liberals would have done, and there is zero question they are better than this pack of uninformed bigots called the BC Conservatives.
posted by hurdy gurdy girl at 5:34 PM on October 19 [2 favorites]
Shame on Kevin Falcon
Here's a link to an article I came across to today that goes into the background of Falcon's bizarre decision. I can't speak to the veracity of the piece but I do know the immense, deleterious sway developers have in this province, especially in this city(Vancouver).
From the article:
'Sources tell us, two weeks ago representatives of the development industry in our province met with Mr. Falcon, demanding he resign as BC United party leader, and fold the B.C. United tent in favour of supporting John Rustad’s B.C. Conservative party, a “request” that was anathema to Kevin Falcon.
The development industry was not simply making a suggestion to Kevin Falcon, an idle request he might consider, but a demand, backed up by a threat …
“Either you resign as leader, and fold the B.C. United campaign for office, or we assure you that you will never work again in British Columbia, no one will hire you, you will be unemployable, and unable to provide for your family.”
Representatives of the development industry were not making an idle threat.'
I voted. I live in East Van so I think there's a good chance the person I voted for will win; it's a such a strong NDP riding.
My strongest wish is that Rustad and the goon squad are denied power.
posted by Phlegmco(tm) at 6:08 PM on October 19
Here's a link to an article I came across to today that goes into the background of Falcon's bizarre decision. I can't speak to the veracity of the piece but I do know the immense, deleterious sway developers have in this province, especially in this city(Vancouver).
From the article:
'Sources tell us, two weeks ago representatives of the development industry in our province met with Mr. Falcon, demanding he resign as BC United party leader, and fold the B.C. United tent in favour of supporting John Rustad’s B.C. Conservative party, a “request” that was anathema to Kevin Falcon.
The development industry was not simply making a suggestion to Kevin Falcon, an idle request he might consider, but a demand, backed up by a threat …
“Either you resign as leader, and fold the B.C. United campaign for office, or we assure you that you will never work again in British Columbia, no one will hire you, you will be unemployable, and unable to provide for your family.”
Representatives of the development industry were not making an idle threat.'
I voted. I live in East Van so I think there's a good chance the person I voted for will win; it's a such a strong NDP riding.
My strongest wish is that Rustad and the goon squad are denied power.
posted by Phlegmco(tm) at 6:08 PM on October 19
Go East Van! The only time I’ve ever voted for the candidate who won was when I lived in East Van and I voted federally for Libby Davies. It was a lovely experience, unfortunately never to be repeated.
I can absolutely believe that Falcon was coerced. Whether by developers or who, I have no idea (but you're right, they do hold a lot of sway all over BC). But what a weird, abrupt about-face.
posted by hurdy gurdy girl at 6:39 PM on October 19 [1 favorite]
I can absolutely believe that Falcon was coerced. Whether by developers or who, I have no idea (but you're right, they do hold a lot of sway all over BC). But what a weird, abrupt about-face.
posted by hurdy gurdy girl at 6:39 PM on October 19 [1 favorite]
Here we go...
posted by lookoutbelow at 8:09 PM on October 19
posted by lookoutbelow at 8:09 PM on October 19
Wow, they weren't kidding when they said the results would be fast this year! Seems like the news sites can't keep up with Elections BC.
posted by ssg at 8:25 PM on October 19 [2 favorites]
posted by ssg at 8:25 PM on October 19 [2 favorites]
I voted. I live in East Van so I think there's a good chance the person I voted for will win; it's a such a strong NDP riding.
The only time I’ve ever voted for the candidate who won was when I lived in East Van
Wow, they weren't kidding when they said the results would be fast this year
this resembles me. I voted last week, early polling, will be very surprised if my NDP candidate of choice Joan Phillips doesn't win. In fact, according to this, she already has.
posted by philip-random at 8:32 PM on October 19 [1 favorite]
The only time I’ve ever voted for the candidate who won was when I lived in East Van
Wow, they weren't kidding when they said the results would be fast this year
this resembles me. I voted last week, early polling, will be very surprised if my NDP candidate of choice Joan Phillips doesn't win. In fact, according to this, she already has.
posted by philip-random at 8:32 PM on October 19 [1 favorite]
now it's all looking very split on that map, with the Greens conceivably holding the balance of power (leading in two ridings).
I wonder if Rustad even wants to actually win. If he's got even a grain intellect, he's gotta know he's not remotely prepared for the job of leading the province, let alone the grab bag of various misfits, loony tunes and used car dealers who might comprise his cabinet.
Nothing stupider than democracy sometimes.
posted by philip-random at 8:41 PM on October 19 [1 favorite]
I wonder if Rustad even wants to actually win. If he's got even a grain intellect, he's gotta know he's not remotely prepared for the job of leading the province, let alone the grab bag of various misfits, loony tunes and used car dealers who might comprise his cabinet.
Nothing stupider than democracy sometimes.
posted by philip-random at 8:41 PM on October 19 [1 favorite]
At least this is fast. Except there are so many very close ridings that it may well turn out to be slooowwww.
posted by lookoutbelow at 8:45 PM on October 19
posted by lookoutbelow at 8:45 PM on October 19
Way too many votes for the most moronic group of candidates ever to achieve this level of success in living memory.
What the fuck is wrong with us as a species?
posted by Phlegmco(tm) at 8:48 PM on October 19 [3 favorites]
What the fuck is wrong with us as a species?
posted by Phlegmco(tm) at 8:48 PM on October 19 [3 favorites]
So many close races still left! It's nuts that they've counted more votes than the total from the last election and all the options (NDP majority, Cons majority and NDP-Green coalition) are still very possible.
posted by ssg at 9:26 PM on October 19 [1 favorite]
posted by ssg at 9:26 PM on October 19 [1 favorite]
I literally feel sick, it’s so close.
posted by hurdy gurdy girl at 9:28 PM on October 19 [2 favorites]
posted by hurdy gurdy girl at 9:28 PM on October 19 [2 favorites]
At least David Eby was re-elected. Guess Vancouver Point Grey was full of "communists" and good-for-nothing moochers after all.
Deal with it, Chip!
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 9:44 PM on October 19 [4 favorites]
Deal with it, Chip!
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 9:44 PM on October 19 [4 favorites]
Five ridings with 0.7% or less between NDP and Cons (2 NDP leading, 3 Cons leading). I guess we won't find out where we end up for a while.
posted by ssg at 9:49 PM on October 19 [2 favorites]
posted by ssg at 9:49 PM on October 19 [2 favorites]
It is painfully close. If the outcome were the same as the current leads (46 NDP, 45 Cons, 2 Greens), it would be a slightly more comfortable minority to govern with than the NDP made do with between 2017 and 2020 (43 Liberals, 41 NDP, 3 Greens).
But on the other hand, apparently Elections BC aimed for 98% of the vote to be counted tonight (I don't know why), and that would leave enough to be counted to flip some of these. 95% of ballot boxes reporting.
posted by lookoutbelow at 10:00 PM on October 19 [2 favorites]
But on the other hand, apparently Elections BC aimed for 98% of the vote to be counted tonight (I don't know why), and that would leave enough to be counted to flip some of these. 95% of ballot boxes reporting.
posted by lookoutbelow at 10:00 PM on October 19 [2 favorites]
So very close. The NDP could easily lose Juan de Fuca-Malahat (ahead by 40 votes) and Surrey City Centre (ahead by 41 votes) and then it would be a Cons majority.
posted by ssg at 10:13 PM on October 19
posted by ssg at 10:13 PM on October 19
This is very disappointing. And it is a warning about the US election as well.
posted by CCBC at 10:29 PM on October 19 [2 favorites]
posted by CCBC at 10:29 PM on October 19 [2 favorites]
The staggeringly vile Brent Chapman won his riding of South Surrey. He claimed his racist tweets were a thing of the past but just a month ago on a podcast where the host referred to the narrative around residential schools as a “massive fraud,” Chapman replied that “I’m starting to feel like the people in Jonestown...either that or Charles Manson.”
Way to go South Surry, you elected a full on racist.
And, because I was born here and have lived most of my 59 years here I am not surprised in the least.
posted by Phlegmco(tm) at 11:08 PM on October 19 [3 favorites]
Way to go South Surry, you elected a full on racist.
And, because I was born here and have lived most of my 59 years here I am not surprised in the least.
posted by Phlegmco(tm) at 11:08 PM on October 19 [3 favorites]
This was my first ever Canadian election (i became a citizen last year) and ugh ugh ugh i wish this weren't so close.
posted by adrienneleigh at 11:13 PM on October 19 [4 favorites]
posted by adrienneleigh at 11:13 PM on October 19 [4 favorites]
This election is reinforcing my belief that the current Canadian electorate is roughly 49% totally insane, having had their minds and souls eroded by a steady diet of Conservative propaganda and disinformation for years, and now whether or not they take over the country is mostly a question of how much the vote gets split on the other side.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 5:51 AM on October 20 [9 favorites]
posted by mrjohnmuller at 5:51 AM on October 20 [9 favorites]
Yeah I don't want to say insane but I don't know how to categorize it. There are people I know personally who are otherwise good people (or good enough; people are people after all), but adhere to funny ideas and I'm not sure to chalk it up to self-interest (oil), media bias (watching Fox [in Canada!]), ignorance (good info is paywalled, bad info is free and plentiful and they 'do their own research'), adherence to comfortable 'truths' (wellness industry), the lure of conspiracy theories, or just an overall changing media landscape (a soup of social media that has replaced the idiot box).
It's a hodge-podge of… anti-intellectualism? toxic individualism? A big bucket united in what it's against anyway. It's hard to see the common thread for actual governance (other than the dismantling of state).
Bleh.
posted by mazola at 8:37 AM on October 20 [6 favorites]
It's a hodge-podge of… anti-intellectualism? toxic individualism? A big bucket united in what it's against anyway. It's hard to see the common thread for actual governance (other than the dismantling of state).
Bleh.
posted by mazola at 8:37 AM on October 20 [6 favorites]
Meanwhile in Alberta [CBC]: United Conservative Party members have proposed a resolution that would see the party take the stance of removing the designation of CO2 as a pollutant and abandoning net-zero targets in Alberta.
Ok, this is insane.
posted by mazola at 9:07 AM on October 20 [6 favorites]
Ok, this is insane.
posted by mazola at 9:07 AM on October 20 [6 favorites]
The people i know, mind you a strong selection bias from my employment, who were voting BC Conservative regardless if the person was a Dr. of Quantum Medicine or Sandy Hook denier etc. were either low information vote against Trudeau voters, single issue let's press the gas to the floor on accelerating climate change if it means a job, or wanted the blow a $3.5 billion hole into the budget of his proposed interest rebate. Renters especially are really going to need it if Rustad eliminates all the rental controls.
How racist, transphobic, anti union/worker the Cons are doesn't enter into it.
posted by Mitheral at 9:15 AM on October 20 [2 favorites]
How racist, transphobic, anti union/worker the Cons are doesn't enter into it.
posted by Mitheral at 9:15 AM on October 20 [2 favorites]
if there's ever been a election result where the glass is half full/empty -- this is it.
So from where I'm sitting, no matter who eventually gets declared "winner", nobody gets to strut around like they own the joint. As for the NDP (my choice), I suppose this means that whatever they've been doing right (and I'd argue a fair bit), they've been doing a pretty sloppy job of getting the word out.
Your messaging sucks, guys. Figure it out.
posted by philip-random at 9:55 AM on October 20 [2 favorites]
So from where I'm sitting, no matter who eventually gets declared "winner", nobody gets to strut around like they own the joint. As for the NDP (my choice), I suppose this means that whatever they've been doing right (and I'd argue a fair bit), they've been doing a pretty sloppy job of getting the word out.
Your messaging sucks, guys. Figure it out.
posted by philip-random at 9:55 AM on October 20 [2 favorites]
The NDP % of the popular vote is impressively stable over time, with 2020 (47.7%) being a record performance. The result so far here (44.6%) is about what you would expect. Incumbent governments of 7 years struggle to get voters excited about them.
I was hopeful that the ridiculous candidates put forward by the right of centre coalition would sway things, but I can't honestly say I'm surprised by the outcome.
I'd say voters who don't have an ideological commitment to a side and are not particularly informed tend to vote based on heuristics like "I want things to change". While those who are particularly uninformed and ideological tend to vote based on heuristics like "stop Trudeau". While people who are fairly well informed and relatively wealthy, self-interested and unphased by voting for people detached from reality have good reason to push the BC Conservatives.
I think it's more complicated than taking from this that everyone who voted Conservative agrees with all the crazy stuff that their candidates say or are brainwashed or whatever.
posted by lookoutbelow at 10:14 AM on October 20 [2 favorites]
I was hopeful that the ridiculous candidates put forward by the right of centre coalition would sway things, but I can't honestly say I'm surprised by the outcome.
I'd say voters who don't have an ideological commitment to a side and are not particularly informed tend to vote based on heuristics like "I want things to change". While those who are particularly uninformed and ideological tend to vote based on heuristics like "stop Trudeau". While people who are fairly well informed and relatively wealthy, self-interested and unphased by voting for people detached from reality have good reason to push the BC Conservatives.
I think it's more complicated than taking from this that everyone who voted Conservative agrees with all the crazy stuff that their candidates say or are brainwashed or whatever.
posted by lookoutbelow at 10:14 AM on October 20 [2 favorites]
It's hard to convince people you've been doing a good job in government when everyone is struggling. You can point out that the other guys are fucking whackjobs who will raise your rent and break the health care system, but when the cost of living is already insane and health care is already failing, why should anybody listen to you? That's what's so frustrating about this cycle where every election is a choice between mediocre centrist technocrats who want to put more bandaids on a broken system, and crazy fascists (or "lite fascists") who want to break it even more.
posted by Gerald Bostock at 10:18 AM on October 20 [6 favorites]
posted by Gerald Bostock at 10:18 AM on October 20 [6 favorites]
Yeah, I rather suspect that if Anjali Appadurai had been permitted to run for BCNDP leader, she would have won, would have done a much better job, and would have cruised to landslide reelection.
Meanwhile a status quo mediocrat like Eby can barely eke out a victory against the neofascists. It's pretty embarrassing.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 11:13 AM on October 20 [1 favorite]
Meanwhile a status quo mediocrat like Eby can barely eke out a victory against the neofascists. It's pretty embarrassing.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 11:13 AM on October 20 [1 favorite]
I finally was able to access the article that Phlegmco(tm) referred to above. In addition to reporting the scurrilous involvement of developers in Kevin Falcon's resignation, the blog confidently predicted record low turnout (wrong!) and 60 seats for the NDP (wrong again!), based on Angus Reid's surveys and focus groups.
Let's hope US polls are not equally wrong. Brrrr.....
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 12:38 PM on October 20
Let's hope US polls are not equally wrong. Brrrr.....
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 12:38 PM on October 20
The article was from two months ago before the sesmic change in parties. All the recent polling I saw had the election at a dead heat. It's actually pretty impressive during an era when polling isn't supposed to be accurate.
posted by Mitheral at 1:39 PM on October 20 [2 favorites]
posted by Mitheral at 1:39 PM on October 20 [2 favorites]
I stand corrected. What confused me was that there was a post from 3 days ago that still referred to that old poll as predictive.
Again, I hope the US polls are more accurate this time....
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 2:18 PM on October 20
Again, I hope the US polls are more accurate this time....
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 2:18 PM on October 20
when the cost of living is already insane and health care is already failing, why should anybody listen to you?A lot of us realize that most of this wasn't caused by the current government or any single government. Even the perfect solutions will take half a generation, at least, to really bear fruit and there are no perfect solutions.
Politics isn't a push-button-for-candy proposition and people who behave as if it were make everything more difficult.
posted by klanawa at 6:40 PM on October 20 [2 favorites]
A question for people better versed on the vote totals than me: I was looking at the British Columbia election results in 2024 versus 2017 and 2010, and - if my sources (wikipedia and CBC pages on BC results) are correct, the NDP got:
2010 39.7%
2017 40.3%
2024 44.6%
In addition, total turnout votes for the 3 major parties were 1,925,052 in 2017 versus 1,963,716 in 2024. So turnout increased by only 2%, despite a 12% population growth since 2017. Put another way, BC gained nearly 600,000 residents since 2017, but turnout only increased by 39,000.
In 2017, the "Conservative" party had no leader and virtually no budget. Meanwhile, BC United (nee "Liberals") went from 44% in 2010 to 40% in 2017 and back to 44% in 2024, as their votes had to flow to Rustad once BC United imploded.
So, despite the handwringing and the breathless press coverage, could it not be said that, far from a defeat, the NDP has been on a quiet but somewhat steady path in BC for the past 15 years, while the right wing has been flat (although getting more extreme in their stated views lately)? And that, despite the front loaded aspect of turnout (and I was one of those NDP voters there on the very first day, eager for my sticker - that I never got), turnout has actually decreased as a share of population. So far from the election being driven by a conservative landlside, it was a fairly disengaged election with the NDP on a steady path upwards.
Doesn't that sounds like a more hopeful scenario than "Nuremberg trials are soon to come as BC voters embrace conspiracy theories"? (Not that there aren't plenty of wackos, racists and misogynists in BC, like everywhere else, and not that 400 pound Russian trolls are not feeding us with disinformation non-stop like everywhere else).
Can a more plugged in mefite than me give their take? Did I get the numbers wrong?
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 10:52 PM on October 20
2010 39.7%
2017 40.3%
2024 44.6%
In addition, total turnout votes for the 3 major parties were 1,925,052 in 2017 versus 1,963,716 in 2024. So turnout increased by only 2%, despite a 12% population growth since 2017. Put another way, BC gained nearly 600,000 residents since 2017, but turnout only increased by 39,000.
In 2017, the "Conservative" party had no leader and virtually no budget. Meanwhile, BC United (nee "Liberals") went from 44% in 2010 to 40% in 2017 and back to 44% in 2024, as their votes had to flow to Rustad once BC United imploded.
So, despite the handwringing and the breathless press coverage, could it not be said that, far from a defeat, the NDP has been on a quiet but somewhat steady path in BC for the past 15 years, while the right wing has been flat (although getting more extreme in their stated views lately)? And that, despite the front loaded aspect of turnout (and I was one of those NDP voters there on the very first day, eager for my sticker - that I never got), turnout has actually decreased as a share of population. So far from the election being driven by a conservative landlside, it was a fairly disengaged election with the NDP on a steady path upwards.
Doesn't that sounds like a more hopeful scenario than "Nuremberg trials are soon to come as BC voters embrace conspiracy theories"? (Not that there aren't plenty of wackos, racists and misogynists in BC, like everywhere else, and not that 400 pound Russian trolls are not feeding us with disinformation non-stop like everywhere else).
Can a more plugged in mefite than me give their take? Did I get the numbers wrong?
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 10:52 PM on October 20
PS. I've heard the arguments about how the Eby government has "already lost" despite a notional majority, because the greens could refuse to support them at any moment, but:
- is it really different than under previous NDP/Green coalitions in BC?
- if a confidence election was triggered, would the conservative party do any better with fewer seats than the NDP?
- do people expect the greens to join in with wacko conservatives to fight the woke mind virus, ban EVs, drill baby drill and other far right bugbears?
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 11:39 PM on October 20 [1 favorite]
- is it really different than under previous NDP/Green coalitions in BC?
- if a confidence election was triggered, would the conservative party do any better with fewer seats than the NDP?
- do people expect the greens to join in with wacko conservatives to fight the woke mind virus, ban EVs, drill baby drill and other far right bugbears?
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 11:39 PM on October 20 [1 favorite]
The Eby government has "already lost" if you think of politics as a game or being just about power as an end unto itself. They used to have more power, now they have less, so they have "lost". Of course, if you care about silly things like improving people's lives, then you might come to a different conclusion.
In other words, "Eby has already lost" a pretty concise summary of everything that is wrong with political campaigns and reporting these days.
posted by ssg at 9:29 AM on October 21 [3 favorites]
In other words, "Eby has already lost" a pretty concise summary of everything that is wrong with political campaigns and reporting these days.
posted by ssg at 9:29 AM on October 21 [3 favorites]
Elections BC estimates 49,000 ballots to be counted, and the CBC currently has 11 ridings waiting to be called (six leaning NDP, five leaning Conservative). There will also be two automatic recounts (where there is less than 100 votes difference), though these usually don't change results. Per the CBC.
Losing/winning is in the eyes of the beholder. Political narrative spinning about it is just that - and in our parliamentary system where many voters don't understand how it works, the winning/losing narrative is sometimes used to try to persuade people a government is less legitimate (e.g. a minority or coalition government). At least here the NDP so far has the greatest percentage of the popular vote and the most seats.
I would tend to agree that this result doesn't really suggest a landslide, but I think it concerns people because the result was achieved by the Conservatives without an optimally functioning party apparatus, with drastically less public funding, and where there wasn't much competition for candidate nominations from what one might call more serious people. So finding it troubling for future prospects isn't unreasonable either. Frankly, assuming that the NDP forms government for the third time in a row, it would be traditionally quite hard for a party to win again. I hope, if elected, they will take big swings this time in office because it might be the last chance for a while.
posted by lookoutbelow at 10:54 AM on October 21 [3 favorites]
Losing/winning is in the eyes of the beholder. Political narrative spinning about it is just that - and in our parliamentary system where many voters don't understand how it works, the winning/losing narrative is sometimes used to try to persuade people a government is less legitimate (e.g. a minority or coalition government). At least here the NDP so far has the greatest percentage of the popular vote and the most seats.
I would tend to agree that this result doesn't really suggest a landslide, but I think it concerns people because the result was achieved by the Conservatives without an optimally functioning party apparatus, with drastically less public funding, and where there wasn't much competition for candidate nominations from what one might call more serious people. So finding it troubling for future prospects isn't unreasonable either. Frankly, assuming that the NDP forms government for the third time in a row, it would be traditionally quite hard for a party to win again. I hope, if elected, they will take big swings this time in office because it might be the last chance for a while.
posted by lookoutbelow at 10:54 AM on October 21 [3 favorites]
Thanks, ssg and lookoutbelow, that puts things in perspective a bit.
Hopefully, the higher profile of the so-called conservative party of BC will embolden them to speak out and help shine some light on their more extremist views, which may reduce their future chances. Meanwhile, perhaps the big interest rate cuts will help people a bit and reduce pessimism.
In the meantime, we still have to fix the crazy housing market and reign in Canadian monopolies (groceries and communications networks in particular). No big deal, ha ha.
With Christie Clark lining up to lead the liberals, sunny days are sure ahead, he says sarcastically.....
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 11:30 AM on October 21
Hopefully, the higher profile of the so-called conservative party of BC will embolden them to speak out and help shine some light on their more extremist views, which may reduce their future chances. Meanwhile, perhaps the big interest rate cuts will help people a bit and reduce pessimism.
In the meantime, we still have to fix the crazy housing market and reign in Canadian monopolies (groceries and communications networks in particular). No big deal, ha ha.
With Christie Clark lining up to lead the liberals, sunny days are sure ahead, he says sarcastically.....
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 11:30 AM on October 21
CBC is running a story interviewing people after voting, and person after person says they voted Conservative to kick Trudeau out.
You just can't make this stuff up.
posted by thoughtful_jester at 12:26 PM on October 21 [4 favorites]
You just can't make this stuff up.
posted by thoughtful_jester at 12:26 PM on October 21 [4 favorites]
With Christie Clark lining up to lead the liberals, sunny days are sure ahead, he says sarcastically.....
Yep.
Rapacious and wildly incompetent, a vile non starter of a leader would sum up her time as Premier of BC.
Selling land for a 100K to a backer who later flipped it for 5 million, for instance, why on earth is this person even considered leadership potential? Why wasn't she derisively laughed at?
posted by Phlegmco(tm) at 1:48 PM on October 21 [1 favorite]
Yep.
Rapacious and wildly incompetent, a vile non starter of a leader would sum up her time as Premier of BC.
Selling land for a 100K to a backer who later flipped it for 5 million, for instance, why on earth is this person even considered leadership potential? Why wasn't she derisively laughed at?
posted by Phlegmco(tm) at 1:48 PM on October 21 [1 favorite]
I think if you're publicly announcing that you want to replace Trudeau at this point, you're probably pretty far outside the tent and not very likely to make it anywhere near to the PM's office.
posted by ssg at 2:22 PM on October 21 [1 favorite]
posted by ssg at 2:22 PM on October 21 [1 favorite]
sorry, I don't care what it may say in her CV or what clubs she may belong to, she's not a Liberal. the so-called British Columbia Liberal Party that she once led literally stole the name from the legit Liberal Party when their previous moniker (Social Credit) became so noxious small children would scream in terror whenever any of them got within a mile of playground.
A history of BC provincial politics would have to be a sitcom, albeit with demonic undertones.
posted by philip-random at 2:33 PM on October 21 [1 favorite]
A history of BC provincial politics would have to be a sitcom, albeit with demonic undertones.
posted by philip-random at 2:33 PM on October 21 [1 favorite]
Christy Clark! I thought this was a joke, but, no, Clark is ready to take Trudeau's job and get as many backhanders as she can manage before losing. Clark has been popping up on news panels the last few years, along with other political flotsam (like Mulcair). I doubt the Liberals will think much of her. I think of all these Right-wingers as Socreds -- members of whatever the latest grouping of used-car salesmen, petroleum interests, realtors and developers calls itself. WAC Bennett used Social Credit (minus Major Douglas) as a vehicle to unite the Liberal and Conservative parties in 1952. That process continues.
posted by CCBC at 3:33 PM on October 21 [3 favorites]
posted by CCBC at 3:33 PM on October 21 [3 favorites]
That's... something. I note the CBC article incorrectly referred to her as a former "Liberal premier", missing the "BC" part. I assume actual federal Liberals know the difference though. Feel like serious candidates will hesitate to step up for leadership this election anyway though, given the typical prospects for a party in government for this long.
posted by lookoutbelow at 4:42 PM on October 21 [1 favorite]
posted by lookoutbelow at 4:42 PM on October 21 [1 favorite]
CBC is running a story interviewing people after voting, and person after person says they voted Conservative to kick Trudeau out.
You just can't make this stuff up.
Yeah, this is the kind of low-information electorate we're dealing with, these days. "Gas Tax Man Bad!" and very little else.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 6:20 PM on October 21
You just can't make this stuff up.
Yeah, this is the kind of low-information electorate we're dealing with, these days. "Gas Tax Man Bad!" and very little else.
posted by mrjohnmuller at 6:20 PM on October 21
CBC is running a story interviewing people after voting, and person after person says they voted Conservative to kick Trudeau out.
I'd like to read/watch/listen to this, but I can't seem to find it! Can you share the link?
posted by invokeuse at 9:39 PM on October 21
I'd like to read/watch/listen to this, but I can't seem to find it! Can you share the link?
posted by invokeuse at 9:39 PM on October 21
Here's a CBC interview with Nathan Cullen, a defeated NDP MLA in the North of BC.
It's surprisingly glass-half-full and quite sensible about the current situation and how to move forward in a productive way....
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 10:22 PM on October 21
It's surprisingly glass-half-full and quite sensible about the current situation and how to move forward in a productive way....
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 10:22 PM on October 21
There was some surprise about Nathan Cullen given his long history in Canadian politics (formerly federal NDP MP and placed third in their leadership race in 2012). Not the only cabinet member to lose their seat. I am hopeful that Christine Boyle will have a cabinet role as she has been a strong climate activist and has been effective as a Vancouver city council member despite being in the minority.
posted by lookoutbelow at 11:34 PM on October 21
posted by lookoutbelow at 11:34 PM on October 21
Yes, I'm not from his region but he does seem like a good man. Would that some conservatives adopt his demeanor....
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 12:31 AM on October 22
posted by Bigbootay. Tay! Tay! Blam! Aargh... at 12:31 AM on October 22
Heartening to see the people of Kelowna Centre (where the Conservatives are leading by just 149) thought carefully about their votes.
posted by ssg at 9:31 PM on October 22
posted by ssg at 9:31 PM on October 22
How BC Democracy Works - nice article bringing together key points on what happens next.
posted by lookoutbelow at 5:52 PM on October 23 [1 favorite]
posted by lookoutbelow at 5:52 PM on October 23 [1 favorite]
I don't want to jinx it but: the NDP has a majority, at least right this minute. Surrey-Guildford has flipped and the New Democrats have an 18-vote lead there.
posted by CCBC at 2:28 PM on October 28 [1 favorite]
posted by CCBC at 2:28 PM on October 28 [1 favorite]
Left-leaning New Democratic Party to form British Columbia government after tight election win
posted by kliuless at 12:43 AM on October 29 [1 favorite]
posted by kliuless at 12:43 AM on October 29 [1 favorite]
Recount in Surrey-Guildford results in 22 vote margin for NDP down from 27.
posted by Mitheral at 7:14 PM on November 8 [2 favorites]
posted by Mitheral at 7:14 PM on November 8 [2 favorites]
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