"This has turned out to be a popular war"
November 26, 2024 8:19 AM   Subscribe

The 1991 Gulf War did not inspire a lot of protest music. Some of the higher-profile entries include 'Give Peace a Chance' (Yoko Ono, Lenny Kravitz, Sean Lennon, and others), performed on The Arsenio Hall Show on January 21, 1991; Tony Orlando & Dawn's 'With Every Yellow Ribbon (That's Why We Tie 'Em)'; and 'Voices that Care' (co-written by David Foster, who also wrote 'Tears Are Not Enough,' the 'We are the world' of Canada)--a making-of documentary debuted on February 28, 1991. This is also the day that fighting in Desert Storm ended. (An aside: although Slayer's 1990 'War Ensemble' was intended as an anti-war song, at least one contemporary source reported the Army using it as psych-up music.
posted by box (38 comments total) 8 users marked this as a favorite
 
Some will remember Massive Attack being banned by the BBC for having an 'unpatriotic' name, despite the two things have nothing to do with one another. One of their most iconic singles was then released as Massive.

Of course, the protest piece I remember most is Jello Biafra's "Die For Oil, Sucker."
posted by mykescipark at 8:44 AM on November 26 [7 favorites]


First: Are protest songs really a medium, or is this another case of boomer culture of the 60s continuing into the present day as so much other facets of our country's leadership and elites?

Second: I have to mention the tangential Lindsay Ellis's video essay Protest Music of the Bush Era (the other Bush and the other Iraq war). The video covers the Dixie Chicks and Green Day's American Idiot.

Third: I also wanted to bring up the Call of Duty video game's history rewrite of the Highway of Death, which Polygon writes about here.
posted by AlSweigart at 8:46 AM on November 26 [1 favorite]


On the pro-war side, they made generous use of 'Show Me The Way' by Styx when marketing the conflict.
posted by Jessica Savitch's Coke Spoon at 8:51 AM on November 26 [1 favorite]


First: Are protest songs really a medium, or is this another case of boomer culture of the 60s

There are protest songs going back basically as far as there have been popular songs. Vide The Diggers' Song, and that's just one that has survived. Moreover, it was written by a specific guy, just like a modern song would be - though it draws on folk songs, it's not a melange of pre-existing verses that don't have a specific point of origin.
posted by Frowner at 9:04 AM on November 26 [5 favorites]


First: Are protest songs really a medium, or is this another case of boomer culture of the 60s continuing into the present day as so much other facets of our country's leadership and elites?

Huh?
posted by Insert Clever Name Here at 9:11 AM on November 26 [6 favorites]


The post wording is a little ambiguous, but worth nothing that "Voices That Care" was not a protest song, but a charity song explicitly in support of the troops (and, I suppose, their mission). When I was 11, I remember we found Will Smith's 2 lines of rapping hilarious.

LA Times archive link, paywalled.
posted by HeroZero at 9:23 AM on November 26 [1 favorite]


There are protest songs going back basically as far as there have been popular songs.

Yes, it may have a thousand year history, but does it really apply to 2024? Or even 2004? "Protest song" is something that brings to mind Bob Dylan and... well, I'm a millennial so Bob Dylan is basically the only person to come to mind. "Fortunate Son" seems to have been successfully co-opted into an almost "war is cool" song about Vietnam just as "Born in the USA" was (nobody pays attention to the lyrics.) And unlike re-runs of M*A*S*H, the Smothers Brothers are something I've only heard about but never seen myself.

Maybe Bo Burnham is the closest we have to a modern equivalent, but I see more covers and amateur performances of Frozen's "Let It Go" than his songs, so how popular of a "protest" song could Burnham's work be?

So, is folk song really a medium that exists as a form of protest in the 90s, 2000s, and later? If not, it strikes me as just another thing about the 60s and 70s that boomers (who STILL control most of the property and political parties in our society) keep bringing up, not because it's relevant to the modern day, but it was relevant to their younger days. And can song even be a successful medium in an age where capitalism rapidly commodifies it?
posted by AlSweigart at 9:43 AM on November 26 [2 favorites]


(I'm probably going to regret bringing this up, but 'Rich Men North of Richmond' was pretty big.)
posted by box at 9:48 AM on November 26


The post wording is a little ambiguous, but worth nothing that "Voices That Care" was not a protest song

Right, "There, you had to take a stand in someone else's land, life can be so strange" is NOT a protest lyric. The charity it was boosting was the Intl Red Cross, but it was specifically written to support the troops.
posted by soelo at 9:52 AM on November 26


It's not that the Gulf War was popular, it's just that a lot of the boomers that had protested Viet Nam had gone mainstream making money. Those who were left had the reputation of being fuddy-duddy weirdos.

Most of Gen X was starting to realize they better get their noses to the grindstone, otherwise they weren't going to wind up with a house and a retirement. And they were focused on on trying to find a relationship that might work before romance finally died.

I hate when music is co-opted by the 'other side.' With the military, I could almost be convinced it was cleverly done for the irony.

With today's politics, it's just massively obtuse. Doesn't anybody listen to the lyrics?
posted by BlueHorse at 9:55 AM on November 26 [1 favorite]


Perhaps because the dying was so asymmetrically handled by the Iraqis in that case, and GHW Bush did in fact spend 6 months building up to the actual shooting phase by getting lots of partners to sign on. 2003 it was not.
posted by Aardvark Cheeselog at 9:57 AM on November 26


I had thought 'Keep on Rockin' in the Free World' was an anti-Gulf War song but turns out it was written in 1989 and just critical of Bush for other reasons.

Neil Young also recorded Living With War in 2006 about George W.'s admin, including the Iraq war. I remember it getting linked on Metafilter, even!
posted by dismas at 10:04 AM on November 26


Ahem. I don't have any time this morning, but GenXer here, and a proud member of the Seattle Labor Chorus. Yes, protest songs are a thing, we sing them in 4 part harmony, and not just the classics- Pete Seeger, Woody Guthrie- but also Charlie King, John O'Connor, Jon Fromer, Leon Rosselson, Elaine Purkey, Anne Feeney... And these days more and more younger members are joining, and with them younger songwriters. I hope to add more to this list!
posted by Arctostaphylos at 10:07 AM on November 26 [7 favorites]


It's not that the Gulf War was popular, it's just that a lot of the boomers that had protested Viet Nam had gone mainstream making money.

There's also something to the fact that a large country invading a small one is, depending on your personal perspective, sufficient justification on its own (notwithstanding all the times the US has ignored similar wars when a major petro-state wasn't involved) but also a really damn good fig leaf for the kind of war the chickenhawks like Cheney wanted, and George HW Bush actually resisted and wouldn't give them, so Cheney had to puppet-master his way into another one in 2003.
posted by tclark at 10:21 AM on November 26


Some protest songs are hundreds of years old yet remarkably relevant even today.
posted by signal at 10:45 AM on November 26


In the sixties the major labels weren't overwhelmingly huge, crowding out every other label -- you could find small operations like Blue Note, Vanguard, Folkways, etc. in pretty nearly every record store. The majors also were eager to sign anything that they thought would sell, and the decisions were made by people who weren't all that interested in rock and roll, and they were often happy to sign any band as long as they sold enough to justify their presences -- Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart were on Verve, The Monks were on Polydor, The Velvet Underground was on MGM, The Grateful Dead was on Warner Bros, Bob Dylan was on Columbia... some of those bands' albums only sold in the low thousands, numbers that would get a band booted off its independent label 30 years later. But as long they sold enough to make the label a profit, or someone within the label who liked them personally and was willing to indulge them, they remained.

One of the things this lead to was the greater accessibility of counterculture and protest music. You could hear about The Smothers Brothers getting their show canceled because of Pete Seeger's protest song, and wander over to the record store a day later to try one of The Smothers' (on Mercury) or Seeger's albums -- on Folkways or Vanguard or Columbia (which was literally Frank Sinatra's label).

During the 80s, corporate consolidation at the top end of the music industry, as well as the corporatization and consolidation of broadcast radio (thanks to Reagan-era deregulations), segmented and homogenized music into markets. The new generation of industry executives grew up on rock'n'roll and believed they knew what music had to be in order to sell, and their answer was... dance music, banal hard rock and almost successful mainstream artist from the 60s and 70s who could still carry a tune. Politically-oriented bands didn't have the same access any more. They slid to indy labels and self-publishing, both of which pretty thoroughly guaranteed them no access to radio stations to the right of the non-commercial bands on your FM tuner.

So that's why protest music seems to have disappeared since the early 70s. It was still out there in the 80s and 90s* but the industry that mediates access between the artist and the broader general public decided to give it the same attention and respect that it gave polkas and square dancing.

*(which brings up a related issue: It was around the same time that people seem to have decided to stop caring what the actual lyrics of songs were; Armed Forces Radio played The Clash's "Rock the Casbah" to the troops during Desert Storm. "Born in the USA" became a chud anthem. And who knows how many Rage Against the Machine songs were being used as pump-up music by troops during the wars of the 2000s...)
posted by at by at 11:00 AM on November 26 [11 favorites]


There's quite a lot of protest music, some of it fairly well known (probably at least as well known as a lot of sixties stuff). It's just not folk music, necessarily.

Why Do People Have To Live Outside

Hind's Hall
posted by Frowner at 11:28 AM on November 26 [1 favorite]


Well, there was this. (I was there.) Fugazi at the White House
posted by doubtfulpalace at 12:08 PM on November 26 [3 favorites]


It's not that the Gulf War was popular, it's just that a lot of the boomers that had protested Viet Nam had gone mainstream making money.
But the Gulf War was popular.
posted by kickingtheground at 12:35 PM on November 26 [1 favorite]


The Gulf War protests of 1990-1991 (having been at the epicenter in Berkeley and San Francisco) were weird.

The Vietnam War era protest veterans were really full of this idea that they had Ended The(ir) War and felt strongly about reusing their playbook. Despite being only in their 40s or early 50s at the oldest they struck us all as ancient and out-of-touch ... maybe helped on by the point made above that these weren't exactly the cream of the late 60s/early 70s crop.

They were contrasted by punks in their 20s who definitely saw the protests in the main as just another way to attack the bourgeoisie, but even with that handicap managed to be more interesting.

But seeing both sides deflate with how people just didn't care, even in the Bay Area, was a thing. I vividly remember people storming into Wheeler Hall on the Cal campus - the theater where the big lower-division liberal arts and humanities classes had lecture sessions - and watch the professor look at his watch until they were finished, and the students just pick up their papers and read the sports section, until they skulked out.

In retrospect though, the worst part about was none of the parade of horribles they predicted came about, with Schwarzkopf and Powell wiping out Hussein's forces with minimal casualties, returning the Kuwaiti royals to the throne, and just going home. Protestors being so hysterical and so wrong meant that a dozen years later no one took the protestors seriously about the 2003 invasion of Iraq, even though that time most of the parade of horribles did end up coming about.
posted by MattD at 12:46 PM on November 26 [4 favorites]


So, is folk song really a medium that exists as a form of protest in the 90s, 2000s, and later?

I think this is confusing "protest song" with folk revivalism. There's a Venn for sure, but OP mentions, for example, Slayer, which I'm sure wasn't playing in Pete Seeger's Walkman in 1992.

Any discussion of Gulf War protest songs has to include "Fuck a War" by Geto Boys. At work though, so can't bring it up on YouTube to link it. It's on the "We Can't Be Stopped" album.
posted by kensington314 at 12:48 PM on November 26 [1 favorite]


I also think "Wargasm" by L7 was a song in specific opposition to the then-recent Gulf War.
posted by kensington314 at 12:54 PM on November 26


Eric B & Rakim - 'Casualties of War'
Geto Boys - 'Fuck a War'
Paris - 'Bush Killa'
posted by box at 1:05 PM on November 26 [4 favorites]


I always thought this was an excellent excerpt from Rakim on "Casualties of War."

Go to the Army, be all you can be
Another dead soldier? Hell no, not me
So I start letting off ammunition in every direction
Allah is my only protection
But wait a minute, Saddam Hussein prays the same
and this is Asia, from where I came
I'm on the wrong side, so change the target
Shooting at the general; and where's the sergeant?
Blame it on John Hardy Hawkins for bringing me to America
Now it's mass hysteria
I get a rush when I see blood, dead bodies on the floor

posted by kensington314 at 1:10 PM on November 26 [2 favorites]


public enemy - state of the union nsfw - language
posted by pyramid termite at 3:26 PM on November 26 [1 favorite]


At the risk of continuing the derail, both folk music and protest music have continued as going concerns since the 1960s/70s, but are no longer as closely associated? A modern protest song is most likely a musical genre that is not folk. at by's point about commercial music is also excellent.

On topic - thanks for this post! During the first Gulf War, I was just old enough to be vaguely aware of the news, but music less popular than NKOTB did not penetrate. I'm now broadly aware of the 80s/early 90s, but don't think I have any protest songs.

(I do think protest songs require some time to happen? They're not usually an immediate response to the news, and Desert Storm was a short war.)
posted by mersen at 3:50 PM on November 26


mersen: Desert Storm was a short war.)

Seeing a war referred to by its marketing name icks me out, even all these years later.
posted by signal at 4:14 PM on November 26 [1 favorite]


Did anybody else collect Desert Storm trading cards
posted by Ray Walston, Luck Dragon at 5:08 PM on November 26 [1 favorite]


From Canada's own Moxy Fruvous:
Gulf War Song
posted by ZakDaddy at 5:31 PM on November 26 [1 favorite]


So - Christian punk band Fluffy (no, not this guy nor this band)...

They had a song called 1-16-91(SLYT).

While not explicitly anti-war (in fact, it could, ostensibly, be seen as "pro" - since it's just "DROPPING THUNDER ON BAGHDAD!" (and similar lines over and over)), given what I know of the band I saw it as anti-war.

It's a good song, IMO (if you like that sorta indie-punkish type sound).
posted by symbioid at 5:45 PM on November 26


Did anybody else collect Desert Storm trading cards

Oh god. I think I have my "Stormin Norman" around somewhere.
About the same time as the Roger Rabbit cards, IIRC.
posted by symbioid at 5:46 PM on November 26 [1 favorite]


"We Three Kings be stealing the gold"
posted by clavdivs at 6:59 PM on November 26


Bob Dylan played “Masters of War” at the 1991 Grammys.
posted by marxchivist at 7:04 PM on November 26 [1 favorite]


Also while on tour in 1991 Neil Young played a scorching version of Blowing in the Wind with the soundtrack of the braids on Baghdad for the intro.
posted by marxchivist at 7:11 PM on November 26


Eric B & Rakim - 'Casualties of War'
Geto Boys - 'Fuck a War'
Paris - 'Bush Killa'
posted by box at 1:05 PM


bring back skits and talking between songs
no war but class war
posted by eustatic at 8:00 PM on November 26


die for oil, sucker
was pretty awesome at the time, even as insufferable as jello was, it was needed to cut through so much bullshit
posted by eustatic at 8:04 PM on November 26


Was the artistic response to/against the Gulf War proportional to its perceived duration?

I’m struggling to identify ANY Vietnam protest songs before 1964 and protest didn’t heat up until even more years into the 20-30 year conflict. The Gulf War was 4 months and “over”after “100 hours of on the ground combat”.

Having as many protest songs as it did seems like Americans were relatively mobilised.
posted by rubatan at 1:14 AM on November 27


Was the artistic response to/against the Gulf War proportional to its perceived duration?


The US War in Vietnam was particulaly gradual---Eisenhower considered dropping nukes on them in the 50s, so there wasn't a 'we are invading TOMORROW' type of thing to mobilize.
posted by MisantropicPainforest at 6:41 AM on November 27


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