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January 8, 2003 5:45 PM Subscribe
There are actually people in this world -- in America -- who believe this stuff. Un-freakin-believable. There is simply no way that this kind of stuff, if true, could be "covered up" or otherwise concealed. If more than one person knows about something of this magnitude, it simply won't survive the test of time.
There is no Bigfoot. Crop circles are a hoax. 19 Muslim terrorists killed ~3,000 people. The President did not have advance knowledge of 9/11. The Administration is not launching a war for oil, nor did it remove the Taliban to build an energy pipeline."Tourist Guy" was not on the observation deck of the WTC. Oswald acted alone. There is no "monster-size" cat.
posted by davidmsc at 6:56 PM on January 8, 2003
There is no Bigfoot. Crop circles are a hoax. 19 Muslim terrorists killed ~3,000 people. The President did not have advance knowledge of 9/11. The Administration is not launching a war for oil, nor did it remove the Taliban to build an energy pipeline."Tourist Guy" was not on the observation deck of the WTC. Oswald acted alone. There is no "monster-size" cat.
posted by davidmsc at 6:56 PM on January 8, 2003
"There is no Bigfoot. Crop circles are a hoax.
Ok sure. Those are gimmes.
19 Muslim terrorists killed ~3,000 people.
That's the prevailing theory, yes. BUT. but but but. The only
people that know for sure, died in the crash.
The President did not have advance knowledge of 9/11.
You know...funny thing. Pearl Harbor was a "surprise" attack - so they say. Funny how we're finally finding documentation that says otherwise.
The Administration is not launching a war for oil, nor did it remove the Taliban to build an energy pipeline.
Oh come on. You have to be blind to not see this one. They are BUILDING the pipeline. Plans for that pipeline were well documented long before the 9/11 attacks. The deal with IRAQ is exactly about control of the oil. When Saddam was *our* badguy, it was cool. But now that he's his own badguy, we want our oil back.
"Tourist Guy" was not on the observation deck of the WTC
That one was an obvious hoax - serisouly - how would film have survived?
Oswald acted alone.
Again....only Oswald knows this for sure.
There is no "monster-size" cat.
You haven't seen my cat. He's huge! He's like sputnik!
posted by jaded at 7:42 PM on January 8, 2003
Ok sure. Those are gimmes.
19 Muslim terrorists killed ~3,000 people.
That's the prevailing theory, yes. BUT. but but but. The only
people that know for sure, died in the crash.
The President did not have advance knowledge of 9/11.
You know...funny thing. Pearl Harbor was a "surprise" attack - so they say. Funny how we're finally finding documentation that says otherwise.
The Administration is not launching a war for oil, nor did it remove the Taliban to build an energy pipeline.
Oh come on. You have to be blind to not see this one. They are BUILDING the pipeline. Plans for that pipeline were well documented long before the 9/11 attacks. The deal with IRAQ is exactly about control of the oil. When Saddam was *our* badguy, it was cool. But now that he's his own badguy, we want our oil back.
"Tourist Guy" was not on the observation deck of the WTC
That one was an obvious hoax - serisouly - how would film have survived?
Oswald acted alone.
Again....only Oswald knows this for sure.
There is no "monster-size" cat.
You haven't seen my cat. He's huge! He's like sputnik!
posted by jaded at 7:42 PM on January 8, 2003
There is no "monster-size" cat.
"My mommy always said there were no monsters, no real ones. But there are!"
posted by Slithy_Tove at 7:44 PM on January 8, 2003
"My mommy always said there were no monsters, no real ones. But there are!"
posted by Slithy_Tove at 7:44 PM on January 8, 2003
Slithy, Thank you! Quotes of that caliber don't come often enough - but they mostly come at night... mostly.
posted by ao4047 at 8:49 PM on January 8, 2003
posted by ao4047 at 8:49 PM on January 8, 2003
Slithy_Tove - Yer darn tootin' - here's a monster
posted by troutfishing at 9:03 PM on January 8, 2003
posted by troutfishing at 9:03 PM on January 8, 2003
There is no Bigfoot. Crop circles are a hoax.
Quiet! Bigfoot, crop circles, Nessie, vampires, werewolves, Uri Gellar bending spoons, and other Unexplained Phenomena are completely plausible and keep my imagination alive. If the right side of my brain hears you saying these things, it'll be pissed. I'll bet you're the guy who goes around telling kids that Santa doesn't exist (KIDS! HE DOES!)
Besides, Bigfoot is a legitimate archetype, and I like him right where he is: in the collective unconscious. And out there in the woods. And occasionally under my bed or in my closet, when I was a tot. And in the funny pages.
Have a little imagination...
P.S. Good shot, slipping that in there, Trout!
posted by Shane at 9:31 PM on January 8, 2003
Quiet! Bigfoot, crop circles, Nessie, vampires, werewolves, Uri Gellar bending spoons, and other Unexplained Phenomena are completely plausible and keep my imagination alive. If the right side of my brain hears you saying these things, it'll be pissed. I'll bet you're the guy who goes around telling kids that Santa doesn't exist (KIDS! HE DOES!)
Besides, Bigfoot is a legitimate archetype, and I like him right where he is: in the collective unconscious. And out there in the woods. And occasionally under my bed or in my closet, when I was a tot. And in the funny pages.
Have a little imagination...
P.S. Good shot, slipping that in there, Trout!
posted by Shane at 9:31 PM on January 8, 2003
davidmsc you said "There are actually people in this world -- in America -- who believe this stuff."
Yeah there are apparently a lot of them including a number of the families who directly suffered from the 911 tragedy. They don't seem to be willing to let it rest until the US government has conducted a proper investigation. Check out all the questions raised about the event on the following web page. Its imperative that our government of the people for the people work to put these many questions to rest. Check out unansweredquestions.org for a list of the multitude of questions that have been raised. It is my understanding that there were about nine government investigations of Pearl Harbor but none of 911. What gives?
posted by thedailygrowl at 11:56 PM on January 8, 2003
Yeah there are apparently a lot of them including a number of the families who directly suffered from the 911 tragedy. They don't seem to be willing to let it rest until the US government has conducted a proper investigation. Check out all the questions raised about the event on the following web page. Its imperative that our government of the people for the people work to put these many questions to rest. Check out unansweredquestions.org for a list of the multitude of questions that have been raised. It is my understanding that there were about nine government investigations of Pearl Harbor but none of 911. What gives?
posted by thedailygrowl at 11:56 PM on January 8, 2003
Conspiracies are basically just modern day religion. Improbable stories people believe in to justify their own views.
posted by PenDevil at 12:41 AM on January 9, 2003
posted by PenDevil at 12:41 AM on January 9, 2003
As these are conspiracy theories I don't find them any less easy to believe or than the view of davidmsc whose knee-jerk dismissal and unquestioning certainty is just the fundamentalism I'm wary of.
Conspiracies are basically just modern day religion. Improbable stories people believe in to justify their own views.
More sweeping generalisations - if it's considered a 'conspiracy' it must be rubbish - do you decide what constitutes a conspiracy?
I don't 'believe', but I am curious and I'd consider a certain amount of agnosticism healthy.
"My own opinion is that belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence. The more certitude one assumes, the less there is left to think about, and a person sure of everything would never have any need to think about anything and might be considered clinically dead under current medical standards, where absence of brain activity is taken to mean that life has ended." Robert Anton Wilson
posted by niceness at 3:26 AM on January 9, 2003
Conspiracies are basically just modern day religion. Improbable stories people believe in to justify their own views.
More sweeping generalisations - if it's considered a 'conspiracy' it must be rubbish - do you decide what constitutes a conspiracy?
I don't 'believe', but I am curious and I'd consider a certain amount of agnosticism healthy.
"My own opinion is that belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence. The more certitude one assumes, the less there is left to think about, and a person sure of everything would never have any need to think about anything and might be considered clinically dead under current medical standards, where absence of brain activity is taken to mean that life has ended." Robert Anton Wilson
posted by niceness at 3:26 AM on January 9, 2003
do you decide what constitutes a conspiracy?
When it comes to what I determine to be a conspiracy theory, then uhh, yeah I do. If you have your own criteria that's your bag. Just because someone thinks that the Illuminati/Jewish/Aliens-controlling- the-world is a viable, serious theory doesn't mean I can't call it bunk.
posted by PenDevil at 5:59 AM on January 9, 2003
When it comes to what I determine to be a conspiracy theory, then uhh, yeah I do. If you have your own criteria that's your bag. Just because someone thinks that the Illuminati/Jewish/Aliens-controlling- the-world is a viable, serious theory doesn't mean I can't call it bunk.
posted by PenDevil at 5:59 AM on January 9, 2003
Did anybody read this site? There's are less the "Top 10 Conspiracies" than they are the "Top 10 under-reported 9/11 stories." This stuff is tame, reasonable, and documented in mainstream sources. I was also shocked by this page -- shocked that they would dare call this bunk conspiracy -- because it's too damn obvious to be a conspiracy.
This is actually really educational. People are so against anything vaguely "conspiracy" related, they'll slam anything. Do you really put the pre-planning of Afghanistan in with Bigfoot?
You know there is a lot of documentation on this, right? Within days of 9/11, I found stories dating back months -- on major publications' websites -- detailing the invasion plans for Afghanistan -- and why. The Taliban was overthrown because they would not agree to the pipeline plan. Hamid Karzai was a Unocal man, installed by the U.S... This is about the most self-evident, laughably obvious "conspiracy" I've ever come across. It's more a "taboo" than a conspiracy.
IMHO, the two best 9/11 conspiracies are missing from this list -- because they are actually conspiracy theories. Not like these lame little statements of fact with disturbing implications. No, a real conspiracy theory should be like Bigfoot...
#1 The Pentagon was never hit by a plane.
#2 The 9/11 jets were taken over and piloted by remote control, as seen in the pilot episode of The Lone Gunmen.
posted by son_of_minya at 6:04 AM on January 9, 2003
This is actually really educational. People are so against anything vaguely "conspiracy" related, they'll slam anything. Do you really put the pre-planning of Afghanistan in with Bigfoot?
You know there is a lot of documentation on this, right? Within days of 9/11, I found stories dating back months -- on major publications' websites -- detailing the invasion plans for Afghanistan -- and why. The Taliban was overthrown because they would not agree to the pipeline plan. Hamid Karzai was a Unocal man, installed by the U.S... This is about the most self-evident, laughably obvious "conspiracy" I've ever come across. It's more a "taboo" than a conspiracy.
IMHO, the two best 9/11 conspiracies are missing from this list -- because they are actually conspiracy theories. Not like these lame little statements of fact with disturbing implications. No, a real conspiracy theory should be like Bigfoot...
#1 The Pentagon was never hit by a plane.
#2 The 9/11 jets were taken over and piloted by remote control, as seen in the pilot episode of The Lone Gunmen.
posted by son_of_minya at 6:04 AM on January 9, 2003
The one that is really weird is the magic passport. That's the only one on this list that really bothered me. I know there is an explanation, but damn that's bizarre, well past the point of liklihood.
posted by cell divide at 9:31 AM on January 9, 2003
posted by cell divide at 9:31 AM on January 9, 2003
PenDevil - Does this constitute a conspiracy? (for example, the program directly and secretly violated explicit presidential orders).
posted by troutfishing at 10:11 AM on January 9, 2003
posted by troutfishing at 10:11 AM on January 9, 2003
This "top 10 conspiracies" really only amounts to one sort of "pan-conspiracy" field of research about the fantastic number of weird "anomalies" surrounding 9-11.
There is a massive, scrupulously researched body of work on the 9-11 "anomalies", "The Complete 9-11 Timeline", by Paul Thomson, available on the Unanswered Questions website.
posted by troutfishing at 10:23 AM on January 9, 2003
There is a massive, scrupulously researched body of work on the 9-11 "anomalies", "The Complete 9-11 Timeline", by Paul Thomson, available on the Unanswered Questions website.
posted by troutfishing at 10:23 AM on January 9, 2003
There was a story that is either completely false or if true is a victim of the biggest coverup in this genre, thus I believe eligible for the #1 conspiracy of the post September 11 era. This Story about how during the Gulf War the identies of twelve young male citizens of Kuwait was stolen by Iraqi agents, how these men and their families and all documentation about them was disappeared, and how these identies were used by Al Quida and/or Iraqi terrorists to gain entry to the West. If anyone knows what happened to this story I would appreciate hearing about it.
posted by Mack Twain at 1:38 PM on January 9, 2003
posted by Mack Twain at 1:38 PM on January 9, 2003
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