No snark for this foreboding...
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A short, creepy yarn, and easily dismissed... "The loss of the Columbia space shuttle is suffused with symbols begging for attention. Columbia is named, in part, after Christopher Columbus and symbolically points to the very discovery of the American nation. Strangely, on the threshold of America's preemptive invasion of Iraq to eliminate its weapons of mass destruction, the shuttle's hold contained the first Israeli astronaut who in 1981 himself participated in a preemptive attack on an Iraqi nuclear reactor to eliminate its capacity for developing weapons of mass destruction. An uncanny echo, but certainly not the only one...As we are on the precipice of a war with Iraq, the whole Arab world screams that it is not Iraq but America's relationship with Israel and the Palestinian crisis that is the root cause of all Arab anti-American sentiment and certainly all terrorism. Suddenly the Columbia crashes with an Israeli astronaut over George Bush's home state as debris rains down on "Palestine, Texas."
A week before Lincoln was shot he was in Monroe, Maryland.
A week before Kennedy was shot he was in Marilyn Monroe.
Mrs. Nixon liked bananas.
Mrs. Lincoln went bananas.
Coincidence?
posted by Wet Spot at 7:57 PM on February 6, 2003
A week before Kennedy was shot he was in Marilyn Monroe.
Mrs. Nixon liked bananas.
Mrs. Lincoln went bananas.
Coincidence?
posted by Wet Spot at 7:57 PM on February 6, 2003
Zonker - No synchronicities or uncertainties in your life, I'd say.
Wet Spot - Blark. Urghstichj? Flubbzist!!
posted by troutfishing at 8:00 PM on February 6, 2003
Wet Spot - Blark. Urghstichj? Flubbzist!!
posted by troutfishing at 8:00 PM on February 6, 2003
Wet Spot, I now have one ... on my monitor ... from projectile coffee ... out of my nose ...
posted by Wulfgar! at 8:01 PM on February 6, 2003
posted by Wulfgar! at 8:01 PM on February 6, 2003
But wait, there's more!
As a child, Lincoln lived in a log cabin. Kennedy, as a child, once spilled Log Cabin syrup in his father's Lincoln.
posted by Wet Spot at 8:03 PM on February 6, 2003
As a child, Lincoln lived in a log cabin. Kennedy, as a child, once spilled Log Cabin syrup in his father's Lincoln.
posted by Wet Spot at 8:03 PM on February 6, 2003
Nothing like political articles written by professors of...clinical psychology. I guess its no worse than, just to name a totally hypothetical example, political magazines edited by professors of linguistics.
And Wet Spot, I think you're onto something!
posted by Kevs at 8:05 PM on February 6, 2003
And Wet Spot, I think you're onto something!
posted by Kevs at 8:05 PM on February 6, 2003
Trying not to be smarmy here, but when I read stuff like this, I think about the simple equation of:
123=456
Of course that makes no mathematical sense. However as humans, we will justify it as:
( 12+3 )=(4+5+6)
15=15
Therefore
123=456
Symbolic in alot or ways, certainly. In reality, creating lines between unconnectable dots.
posted by lampshade at 8:07 PM on February 6, 2003
Of course that makes no mathematical sense. However as humans, we will justify it as:
( 12+3 )=(4+5+6)
15=15
Therefore
123=456
Symbolic in alot or ways, certainly. In reality, creating lines between unconnectable dots.
posted by lampshade at 8:07 PM on February 6, 2003
Omens??? That professor has too much spare time.
But I still find it creepily ironic that Columbia bought the farm so close to the anniversary of the Challenger.
posted by konolia at 8:10 PM on February 6, 2003
But I still find it creepily ironic that Columbia bought the farm so close to the anniversary of the Challenger.
posted by konolia at 8:10 PM on February 6, 2003
I smell a Country 'n Western talkie ala Wink Martindale's Deck of Cards.
posted by y2karl at 8:14 PM on February 6, 2003
posted by y2karl at 8:14 PM on February 6, 2003
"...By proper coherent tuning through time synchronization, an object from a maverick world of fantastic possibilities can be orthorotated into our own frame and objectified. THIS IS WHAT TIBETAN MONKS CALL A TULPA, AN OBJECTIVE MATERIALIZATION OF A THOUGHT-FORM. [''When Alexandra David-Neel journeyed through Tibet, one of the many mystical techniques she studied was that of Tulpa creation. A tulpa, according to traditional Tibetan doctrines, is an entity created by an act of imagination"] The tulpa will hardly ever be closed entirely in phase, however, and so it will almost always be unstable. UFO's, angels, and imps go away....But the materialization of one of these can be entirely objective and perfectly objective traces can be left..."
lampshade - I guess you have reality all sewn up then........By the way, why are you here on this post? Are you very bored or stressed out?...
posted by troutfishing at 8:17 PM on February 6, 2003
lampshade - I guess you have reality all sewn up then........By the way, why are you here on this post? Are you very bored or stressed out?...
posted by troutfishing at 8:17 PM on February 6, 2003
It's so comforting to think of a kind and just God that would gently nudge his beloved people in the right moral direction by blowing up a spaceship.
posted by gwint at 8:21 PM on February 6, 2003
posted by gwint at 8:21 PM on February 6, 2003
Lyrics here for you young'uns. (Direct link said You Are Unauthorized to View This--hence the cache.)
posted by y2karl at 8:22 PM on February 6, 2003
posted by y2karl at 8:22 PM on February 6, 2003
Here's another really good yarn too (being established historical fact)
"Titan/Titanic -
In 1898, Morgan Robertson's book, "Wreck of the Titan; or Futility" was published. This was 14 years before Titanic set sail. The ship in the book, the Titan, bore a striking resemblence to the Titanic. Here are the facts in comparison [Titanic facts vs. the "Titan" of Robertson's book]:
FACT: TITAN / TITANIC
Length: 800ft / 882ft.
Width: 90ft / 92.5ft
Top Speed: 25 knots / 23 knots
Watertight compartments: 19 / 16
Propellers: 3 / 3
Capacity: 3000 / 3250
# of people aboard: 2000 / 2228
Lifeboats: 24 / 20
Sailing: in April FROM New York / April 10th FOR New York
Type of Iceberg: Pyramid shaped, had just turned over / Pyramid shaped, had just turned over"
There really is no explanation for this one. Nothing to see here folks. Move along.
posted by troutfishing at 8:32 PM on February 6, 2003
"Titan/Titanic -
In 1898, Morgan Robertson's book, "Wreck of the Titan; or Futility" was published. This was 14 years before Titanic set sail. The ship in the book, the Titan, bore a striking resemblence to the Titanic. Here are the facts in comparison [Titanic facts vs. the "Titan" of Robertson's book]:
FACT: TITAN / TITANIC
Length: 800ft / 882ft.
Width: 90ft / 92.5ft
Top Speed: 25 knots / 23 knots
Watertight compartments: 19 / 16
Propellers: 3 / 3
Capacity: 3000 / 3250
# of people aboard: 2000 / 2228
Lifeboats: 24 / 20
Sailing: in April FROM New York / April 10th FOR New York
Type of Iceberg: Pyramid shaped, had just turned over / Pyramid shaped, had just turned over"
There really is no explanation for this one. Nothing to see here folks. Move along.
posted by troutfishing at 8:32 PM on February 6, 2003
I should mention, for those who don't know this tale: In Robertson's book, the "Titan" struck an iceburg and sank - with a terrible loss of life as you might expect.
By the way: US Patent Office grants patent for Psi-based effect?
posted by troutfishing at 8:39 PM on February 6, 2003
By the way: US Patent Office grants patent for Psi-based effect?
posted by troutfishing at 8:39 PM on February 6, 2003
I think the Counterpunch author missed the point!
If you look at the map of the area around Palestine Texas, you'll see a town called Tennessee Colony right next to it. Hmh, Tennessee - AL GORE's home state ... Also, there was an Indian American woman on the shuttle - and who can forget the Trail of Tears cried by Cherokee Indian women when they were expelled due to the efforts of capitalistic animal flesh-eating white heterosexual men - just like AL GORE ...
posted by Jos Bleau at 8:39 PM on February 6, 2003
If you look at the map of the area around Palestine Texas, you'll see a town called Tennessee Colony right next to it. Hmh, Tennessee - AL GORE's home state ... Also, there was an Indian American woman on the shuttle - and who can forget the Trail of Tears cried by Cherokee Indian women when they were expelled due to the efforts of capitalistic animal flesh-eating white heterosexual men - just like AL GORE ...
posted by Jos Bleau at 8:39 PM on February 6, 2003
lampshade - I guess you have reality all sewn up then........By the way, why are you here on this post? Are you very bored or stressed out?...
no i do not have reality sewn up. I just choose to accept certain events as fact without tieing them into , israel/nuclear/palestinian/coluymbus/etc/etc and all the other keywords in that article that just happen to mirror current events. For the second time tonight, I call "Troll Media" article.
Sure, there are alot of creepy ironic twists here. Then again, mayben it bis as simple as the fact that NASA designed and launched spacecraft do not fly very well in the winter months because of a design oversight having to do with the extremely cold temperatures of the propellant, the incredible extremes of liftoff and orbit and the short periods that these craft go from one atmosphere to another.
Sometimes things just don't work too. Do some research on that glider-sitting-atop-a-firecracker. Frankly, it has been amazing the flight record that it has had. I have been watching this thing from before the first engine test firing and I am proud at what NASA accomplished. However, this day was bound to come. It was a fragile little craft that was held together by the efforts of an agency.
Are you so bored or stressed out as to have quoted an entire comment then just posted a personal attack?
posted by lampshade at 8:41 PM on February 6, 2003
no i do not have reality sewn up. I just choose to accept certain events as fact without tieing them into , israel/nuclear/palestinian/coluymbus/etc/etc and all the other keywords in that article that just happen to mirror current events. For the second time tonight, I call "Troll Media" article.
Sure, there are alot of creepy ironic twists here. Then again, mayben it bis as simple as the fact that NASA designed and launched spacecraft do not fly very well in the winter months because of a design oversight having to do with the extremely cold temperatures of the propellant, the incredible extremes of liftoff and orbit and the short periods that these craft go from one atmosphere to another.
Sometimes things just don't work too. Do some research on that glider-sitting-atop-a-firecracker. Frankly, it has been amazing the flight record that it has had. I have been watching this thing from before the first engine test firing and I am proud at what NASA accomplished. However, this day was bound to come. It was a fragile little craft that was held together by the efforts of an agency.
Are you so bored or stressed out as to have quoted an entire comment then just posted a personal attack?
posted by lampshade at 8:41 PM on February 6, 2003
What a bunch of crap. I mean, really. I would hope the continuing spirit of space exploration, that of science and reason, trumps this sort of medieval superstition masquerading as cheap political commentary.
posted by sir walsingham at 8:45 PM on February 6, 2003
posted by sir walsingham at 8:45 PM on February 6, 2003
These synchronicities drape themselves over the landscape of our sadness.
This article drapes itself over the landscape of my boredom.
posted by hammurderer at 8:49 PM on February 6, 2003
This article drapes itself over the landscape of my boredom.
posted by hammurderer at 8:49 PM on February 6, 2003
Conspiracy!
Canada, here I come.
(wait, that is where they make the shuttle robot arm)
Ok, Queens NY. Its only 2 miles away.
posted by lampshade at 8:57 PM on February 6, 2003
[piling on mode] This article is up to the usual high standards I expect from Counterpunch.
posted by Slithy_Tove at 8:59 PM on February 6, 2003
posted by Slithy_Tove at 8:59 PM on February 6, 2003
I am creeped out by the similarities between what remains of the world trade center, which was destroyed in 2001, and the excavation in which that slab was found on the moon in the film, 2001. Very spooky. Also, "Israel" sounds like "is real."
posted by ParisParamus at 9:00 PM on February 6, 2003
posted by ParisParamus at 9:00 PM on February 6, 2003
lampshade - Please, don't take my comments so personally. I simply assumed that you were - in the spirit of most of the commentators on this thread - in for a cheap laugh rather than (as it seems) deeply disturbed over the Columbia because you've been involved in the project. I could have phrased that more delicately, and I didn't intend that "why are you here" to refer to you personally but, rather, to the overall commenting crowd.
Usually, psychoanalytic, Jungian interpretations irritate me. This one I found disturbing...
I do not think that our brains (about 1600cc as Homo Sapiens Sapiens, is it?) are quite up to the 'final explanation'.....I suppose I've been too influenced by the more florid speculations of physicists and cosmologists on hyperdimensionsionality, and interactions between conscious and 'reality' (whatever that is). My post had nothing to do with questioning NASA's real accomplishments with it's shuttle program - or with maligning the dead astronauts. But the shuttle was higly symbolic and freighted with the aspirations, hopes and dreams of many....
I do think it was creepy.
posted by troutfishing at 9:08 PM on February 6, 2003
Usually, psychoanalytic, Jungian interpretations irritate me. This one I found disturbing...
I do not think that our brains (about 1600cc as Homo Sapiens Sapiens, is it?) are quite up to the 'final explanation'.....I suppose I've been too influenced by the more florid speculations of physicists and cosmologists on hyperdimensionsionality, and interactions between conscious and 'reality' (whatever that is). My post had nothing to do with questioning NASA's real accomplishments with it's shuttle program - or with maligning the dead astronauts. But the shuttle was higly symbolic and freighted with the aspirations, hopes and dreams of many....
I do think it was creepy.
posted by troutfishing at 9:08 PM on February 6, 2003
I think MeFi may have stumbled onto something here. I want to hear more about these weird coincidences. How do I subscribe to this newsletter?
hmm, the president before Clinton was named Bush, the president before Bush was named Clinton. That means the next president is Clinton! It's all so clear to me now.
posted by blue_beetle at 9:22 PM on February 6, 2003
hmm, the president before Clinton was named Bush, the president before Bush was named Clinton. That means the next president is Clinton! It's all so clear to me now.
posted by blue_beetle at 9:22 PM on February 6, 2003
Do we all see where this going? The secret overlord of global terrorism is...Paul Harvey?
posted by planetkyoto at 9:34 PM on February 6, 2003
posted by planetkyoto at 9:34 PM on February 6, 2003
Ahh......I was right! An assertion so flimsy, so transparently ridiculous - yet in spite of that somehow posessing the power to compell scathing rebuttals...drawn like moths to the flame. Why?
Sir Walsingham - Science, as I've heard it, speaks in terms of hypotheses, possibililty and probability. The architects of Western Science - Newton up to, even, Einstein were of deep faith - even religious and (in your words) "supersitious" individuals who saw no fundamental contradiction in the very different narratives they embodied - that of the emerging discipline of science, and the older narrative of the soul, the spirit, the sacred....
The mind is a bit more entangled with the "real world" than we like to think - "loads of crap" are sometimes worth excoriating, but I'd say that Schroedinger's Cat nips at your heels.
posted by troutfishing at 9:43 PM on February 6, 2003
Sir Walsingham - Science, as I've heard it, speaks in terms of hypotheses, possibililty and probability. The architects of Western Science - Newton up to, even, Einstein were of deep faith - even religious and (in your words) "supersitious" individuals who saw no fundamental contradiction in the very different narratives they embodied - that of the emerging discipline of science, and the older narrative of the soul, the spirit, the sacred....
The mind is a bit more entangled with the "real world" than we like to think - "loads of crap" are sometimes worth excoriating, but I'd say that Schroedinger's Cat nips at your heels.
posted by troutfishing at 9:43 PM on February 6, 2003
The author believes that the universe has decided to blow up a space shuttle in order to teach the US a lesson about its bullying foreign policy. The author is an associate professor of counseling psychology. The author is someone who trains people how to fix your head. Ergh. Way to go, Counterpunch.
posted by UKnowForKids at 9:49 PM on February 6, 2003
posted by UKnowForKids at 9:49 PM on February 6, 2003
UKnowForKids - your model of cosmological relation is so...unidimensional!
posted by troutfishing at 9:59 PM on February 6, 2003
posted by troutfishing at 9:59 PM on February 6, 2003
I do think it was creepy
I hear ya. And yeah, I think, it creepy too. Thanks for the follow up. No offense taken. I've got a wirehead's brain and a Calvinist's heart. (with a few asterisks of course). The article is just too tidy without much justification. I cannot buy into it. Creepy - Yes. Refutable - Moreso.
Agreed - we are not up for the "final explanation". Furthermore, taping firecrackers to gliders is just a scratch on understanding that. However, I would add that persons such as JERRY KROTH pollute the ability to get to an understanding by spewing out their ideas that only promote one view (and in doing so, use as examples their own idiosyncracies), as not a quest toward
agreement amongst all but to a means to their own end(s). He/They are selfish and self serving and in this case, very self centered. He/They do not represent the larger percentage of the world.
Like I said previously, the shuttle is a glider-on-a-firecracker and I am amazed that this did not happen before. I feel for the 7 and their families, but I also know that they did this willingly and understood the risks. Hell, knowing what I know now about Columbia, had I been given the chance to go up there knowing the outcome, I would have still done it. To have seen the little blue marble from the outside......... What a way to go.
Back here on earth, I just wish that some of these so-called "journalists" would stop pulling their dicks and actually start reporting. As opposed to trying to make us believe that one hundred and twenty three is some how connected to four hundred and fifty six. It is just not that simple, and we are far from making it so.
Cheers.
posted by lampshade at 10:04 PM on February 6, 2003
I hear ya. And yeah, I think, it creepy too. Thanks for the follow up. No offense taken. I've got a wirehead's brain and a Calvinist's heart. (with a few asterisks of course). The article is just too tidy without much justification. I cannot buy into it. Creepy - Yes. Refutable - Moreso.
Agreed - we are not up for the "final explanation". Furthermore, taping firecrackers to gliders is just a scratch on understanding that. However, I would add that persons such as JERRY KROTH pollute the ability to get to an understanding by spewing out their ideas that only promote one view (and in doing so, use as examples their own idiosyncracies), as not a quest toward
agreement amongst all but to a means to their own end(s). He/They are selfish and self serving and in this case, very self centered. He/They do not represent the larger percentage of the world.
Like I said previously, the shuttle is a glider-on-a-firecracker and I am amazed that this did not happen before. I feel for the 7 and their families, but I also know that they did this willingly and understood the risks. Hell, knowing what I know now about Columbia, had I been given the chance to go up there knowing the outcome, I would have still done it. To have seen the little blue marble from the outside......... What a way to go.
Back here on earth, I just wish that some of these so-called "journalists" would stop pulling their dicks and actually start reporting. As opposed to trying to make us believe that one hundred and twenty three is some how connected to four hundred and fifty six. It is just not that simple, and we are far from making it so.
Cheers.
posted by lampshade at 10:04 PM on February 6, 2003
lampshade - Reporting?! - I thought they were pulling their dicks!.....your a Calvinist? I knew one once....so, you're automatically saved, right?
As far as the post goes - I'd say the word outside the US is sad about the Columbia...but rather appalled at unilateral-sounding US foreign policy pronouncements...
"The European edition of Time magazine has been conducting a poll on its Web site: "Which country poses the greatest danger to world peace in 2003?" With 318,000 votes cast so far, the responses are: North Korea, 7 percent; Iraq, 8 percent; the United States, 84 percent.
O.K., it's just an Internet poll...John le Carré put it this way in a (representatively venomous) essay this month in The Times of London: "America has entered one of its periods of historic madness, but this is the worst I can remember."
"Titan/Titanic -
In 1898, Morgan Robertson's book, "Wreck of the Titan; or Futility" was published. This was 14 years before Titanic set sail. The ship in the book, the Titan, bore a striking resemblence to the Titanic. Here are the facts in comparison [Titanic facts vs. the "Titan" of Robertson's book]:
FACT: TITAN / TITANIC
Length: 800ft / 882ft.
Width: 90ft / 92.5ft
Top Speed: 25 knots / 23 knots
Watertight compartments: 19 / 16
Propellers: 3 / 3
Capacity: 3000 / 3250
# of people aboard: 2000 / 2228
Lifeboats: 24 / 20
Sailing: in April FROM New York / April 10th FOR New York
Type of Iceberg: Pyramid shaped, had just turned over / Pyramid shaped, had just turned over"
There really is no explanation for this one. Nothing to see here folks. Move along.
posted by troutfishing at 10:21 PM on February 6, 2003
As far as the post goes - I'd say the word outside the US is sad about the Columbia...but rather appalled at unilateral-sounding US foreign policy pronouncements...
"The European edition of Time magazine has been conducting a poll on its Web site: "Which country poses the greatest danger to world peace in 2003?" With 318,000 votes cast so far, the responses are: North Korea, 7 percent; Iraq, 8 percent; the United States, 84 percent.
O.K., it's just an Internet poll...John le Carré put it this way in a (representatively venomous) essay this month in The Times of London: "America has entered one of its periods of historic madness, but this is the worst I can remember."
"Titan/Titanic -
In 1898, Morgan Robertson's book, "Wreck of the Titan; or Futility" was published. This was 14 years before Titanic set sail. The ship in the book, the Titan, bore a striking resemblence to the Titanic. Here are the facts in comparison [Titanic facts vs. the "Titan" of Robertson's book]:
FACT: TITAN / TITANIC
Length: 800ft / 882ft.
Width: 90ft / 92.5ft
Top Speed: 25 knots / 23 knots
Watertight compartments: 19 / 16
Propellers: 3 / 3
Capacity: 3000 / 3250
# of people aboard: 2000 / 2228
Lifeboats: 24 / 20
Sailing: in April FROM New York / April 10th FOR New York
Type of Iceberg: Pyramid shaped, had just turned over / Pyramid shaped, had just turned over"
There really is no explanation for this one. Nothing to see here folks. Move along.
posted by troutfishing at 10:21 PM on February 6, 2003
Everyone already knows "Lincoln" and "Kennedy" both had seven letter names, were both shot in the head on Fridays, were both succeeded by Johnsons, blah blah blah. That's why the Detours Fact Finding Fun Squad presents these … Little Known Coincidences Between Abraham Lincoln and John F. Kennedy.
posted by JParker at 11:45 PM on February 6, 2003
posted by JParker at 11:45 PM on February 6, 2003
Plus, "Clinton" and "blow job" each have seven letters. Eerie.
posted by taz at 1:10 AM on February 7, 2003
posted by taz at 1:10 AM on February 7, 2003
While some participants in this thread clearly view the source article as requiring some suspension of disbelief, it is worth pointing out that Jung's theories of synchronicity were in fact developed in a very methodical and rational manner based on observable pheonomenon; Jung was very structured and scientific in his analysis of psychological and material event coincidence. His theories are often misrepresented, but it would be worthwhile to review them prior to dismissing the article as irrational.
For those who are actually interested in this event as synchronicity, Salon's interview with Camille Paglia has a similar comment on this issue as well. A quote from Paglia in that interview:
"As we speak, I have a terrible sense of foreboding, because last weekend a stunning omen occurred in this country. Anyone who thinks symbolically had to be shocked by the explosion of the Columbia shuttle, disintegrating in the air and strewing its parts and human remains over Texas -- the president's home state! So many times in antiquity, the emperors of Persia or other proud empires went to the oracles to ask for advice about going to war. Roman generals summoned soothsayers to read the entrails before a battle. If there was ever a sign for a president and his administration to rethink what they're doing, this was it. I mean, no sooner had Bush announced that the war was "weeks, not months" away and gone off for a peaceful weekend at Camp David than this catastrophe occurred in the skies over Texas."
posted by i blame your mother at 4:17 AM on February 7, 2003
For those who are actually interested in this event as synchronicity, Salon's interview with Camille Paglia has a similar comment on this issue as well. A quote from Paglia in that interview:
"As we speak, I have a terrible sense of foreboding, because last weekend a stunning omen occurred in this country. Anyone who thinks symbolically had to be shocked by the explosion of the Columbia shuttle, disintegrating in the air and strewing its parts and human remains over Texas -- the president's home state! So many times in antiquity, the emperors of Persia or other proud empires went to the oracles to ask for advice about going to war. Roman generals summoned soothsayers to read the entrails before a battle. If there was ever a sign for a president and his administration to rethink what they're doing, this was it. I mean, no sooner had Bush announced that the war was "weeks, not months" away and gone off for a peaceful weekend at Camp David than this catastrophe occurred in the skies over Texas."
posted by i blame your mother at 4:17 AM on February 7, 2003
i blame your mother - now. now. We no longer believe in this superstitious garbage on Metafilter.
...even though Schroedinger's Cat is now climbing up our pants legs...damn cat! damned mind-reality entanglments! does nodoby get this?...*sighs...*
posted by troutfishing at 6:18 AM on February 7, 2003
...even though Schroedinger's Cat is now climbing up our pants legs...damn cat! damned mind-reality entanglments! does nodoby get this?...*sighs...*
posted by troutfishing at 6:18 AM on February 7, 2003
Yeah, lampshade. I pity you... looking at the world with the mundane, bleak filter of realism rather than using your imagination. A universe where shuttle disasters show a cosmic confluence and Tibetan monks can cause angels to materialize is much more interesting than your rational, scientific worldview.
P.S. It can all be explained by quantum mechanics. Or gremlins.
posted by ptermit at 6:20 AM on February 7, 2003
P.S. It can all be explained by quantum mechanics. Or gremlins.
posted by ptermit at 6:20 AM on February 7, 2003
I dunno... I bet if trout posted the TITAN/TITANIC similarities one more time, I'd be convinced.
posted by thatweirdguy2 at 6:38 AM on February 7, 2003
posted by thatweirdguy2 at 6:38 AM on February 7, 2003
Tracks 4-7 of Oasis' album, "Definitely, Maybe" are titled as follows:
4. Up in the Sky
5. Columbia
6. Supersonic
7. Bring It on Down
I figure we should kill the Gallaghers on account of their definitely being terrorists. There is no maybe about it.
posted by brand-gnu at 6:51 AM on February 7, 2003
4. Up in the Sky
5. Columbia
6. Supersonic
7. Bring It on Down
I figure we should kill the Gallaghers on account of their definitely being terrorists. There is no maybe about it.
posted by brand-gnu at 6:51 AM on February 7, 2003
Chinese guy sitting in a bar next to a Jewish drunk.
The drunk mumbles, and suddenly bashes the Chinese in the face.
"Hey! What was that for?" exclaimed the Chinese man.
The drunk gazed blearily at his victim and said "That was for Pearl Harbor, you son of a bitch!"
"Pearl Harbor?" said the now mystified Chinese. "I'm not Japanese, I'm Chinese!"
Spinning back on his stool the drunk said with disgust "Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese. It's all the same to me!"
The Chinese man pondered this for a few moments, then reached over and smacked the Jewish drunk upside the head.
"Hey! What was THAT for?" said the indignant drunk.
"That was for sinking Titanic!" said the Chinese man haughtily.
"Titanic? The Titanic was sunk by an iceberg, you idiot!"
With a bit of a smile the Chinese man turned to the drunk and said "Weinberg, Steinberg, Iceberg..."
posted by quonsar at 6:55 AM on February 7, 2003
The drunk mumbles, and suddenly bashes the Chinese in the face.
"Hey! What was that for?" exclaimed the Chinese man.
The drunk gazed blearily at his victim and said "That was for Pearl Harbor, you son of a bitch!"
"Pearl Harbor?" said the now mystified Chinese. "I'm not Japanese, I'm Chinese!"
Spinning back on his stool the drunk said with disgust "Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese. It's all the same to me!"
The Chinese man pondered this for a few moments, then reached over and smacked the Jewish drunk upside the head.
"Hey! What was THAT for?" said the indignant drunk.
"That was for sinking Titanic!" said the Chinese man haughtily.
"Titanic? The Titanic was sunk by an iceberg, you idiot!"
With a bit of a smile the Chinese man turned to the drunk and said "Weinberg, Steinberg, Iceberg..."
posted by quonsar at 6:55 AM on February 7, 2003
I pity you... looking at the world with the mundane, bleak filter of realism rather than using your imagination
Nice ad-hominem. Is there something you would like to add to the discussion?
I bet if trout posted the TITAN/TITANIC similarities one more time....
hmmm...it is gaining credibility with me this AM too with each cup of coffee.
posted by lampshade at 7:01 AM on February 7, 2003
Nice ad-hominem. Is there something you would like to add to the discussion?
I bet if trout posted the TITAN/TITANIC similarities one more time....
hmmm...it is gaining credibility with me this AM too with each cup of coffee.
posted by lampshade at 7:01 AM on February 7, 2003
Psst... lampshade... ptermit forgot to close his sarcasm tag.
posted by UKnowForKids at 7:43 AM on February 7, 2003
posted by UKnowForKids at 7:43 AM on February 7, 2003
D'oh!
posted by UKnowForKids at 7:43 AM on February 7, 2003
posted by UKnowForKids at 7:43 AM on February 7, 2003
Simply stated, the assumption that the theory of synchronicity is unscientific is false. Regardless of whether one feels that a specific symbolic interpretation of material-psychological coincidence is valid or even relevant, the objective analysis and review of such events can be dealt with in a scientific manner. There is nothing inherently unscientific in the identification and recording of what Jung termed a synchronicity.
The term "scientific" is often used carelessly, as it has been in many of the posts above. And indeed, even when used with accuracy and intent it is sometimes applied to the cause of maintaining a worldview that, although potentially limited and inaccurate, is safe and generally acceptable. There was a time when a heliocentric cosmology was considered by the established majority to be unscientific.
I encourage skepticism in general. However I suggest that dismisal of synchronicity because it is commonly associated with irrational beliefs is itself quite shallow thinking.
Recommended reading on Jung.
posted by i blame your mother at 7:46 AM on February 7, 2003
The term "scientific" is often used carelessly, as it has been in many of the posts above. And indeed, even when used with accuracy and intent it is sometimes applied to the cause of maintaining a worldview that, although potentially limited and inaccurate, is safe and generally acceptable. There was a time when a heliocentric cosmology was considered by the established majority to be unscientific.
I encourage skepticism in general. However I suggest that dismisal of synchronicity because it is commonly associated with irrational beliefs is itself quite shallow thinking.
Recommended reading on Jung.
posted by i blame your mother at 7:46 AM on February 7, 2003
Ptermit - shouldn't that have been the "mundane, bleak, colorless, humourless, sex-less and shrivelled, dessicated, pitifull excuse for a filter of realism"?
Quonsar - Great joke.
The Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research program at Princeton University is doing pretty interesting research. Mostly centered around the ability for humans to influence machines with their minds. I.e. devices that allow mind control of machines, by maximizing variances in what is normally considered "random".
Anyway, now I've beaten the TITAN/TITANIC thing into the ground - I rather like this Bush/Hitler synchronicity page ("graphics rich", but, thank God, no flash)
woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo wwwwoooooooo woo woo woo
Godwin alert! Godwin alert! Godwin alert! Godwin alert! Godwin alert! Godwin alert!
posted by troutfishing at 9:20 AM on February 7, 2003
Quonsar - Great joke.
The Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research program at Princeton University is doing pretty interesting research. Mostly centered around the ability for humans to influence machines with their minds. I.e. devices that allow mind control of machines, by maximizing variances in what is normally considered "random".
Anyway, now I've beaten the TITAN/TITANIC thing into the ground - I rather like this Bush/Hitler synchronicity page ("graphics rich", but, thank God, no flash)
woo woo woo woo woo woo woo woo wwwwoooooooo woo woo woo
Godwin alert! Godwin alert! Godwin alert! Godwin alert! Godwin alert! Godwin alert!
posted by troutfishing at 9:20 AM on February 7, 2003
i blame your mother - you told 'em, you..you.....you..........you scientist! you guys are so confusing. Can't you just make it all cut and dry? All this equivocation, talk of possibilities, probabilities, hypotheses... It sounds weak and vacillating, liberal even...
posted by troutfishing at 9:26 AM on February 7, 2003
posted by troutfishing at 9:26 AM on February 7, 2003
ptermit: sorry.... I did not see the open sarcasm tag. damn that caffeine.
gotcha
posted by lampshade at 11:39 AM on February 7, 2003
First, consider the number of events that occur in the world (literally billions every day). It would be pretty strange if strange things didn't happen every once in a while.
Next, consider the fact that we humans are storytellers by our very nature, trying to see patterns in the world wherever we can.
Now add these together, and one can see that these two variables are really all you need to explain this "strange" coincidence.
There is no magic in the world. The world is it's own magic.
posted by moonbiter at 12:09 PM on February 7, 2003
Next, consider the fact that we humans are storytellers by our very nature, trying to see patterns in the world wherever we can.
Now add these together, and one can see that these two variables are really all you need to explain this "strange" coincidence.
There is no magic in the world. The world is it's own magic.
posted by moonbiter at 12:09 PM on February 7, 2003
And Bush rested at Camp David on the Sabbath...eerie.
posted by newlydead at 5:54 PM on February 8, 2003
posted by newlydead at 5:54 PM on February 8, 2003
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