Gimme that list!
July 17, 2003 2:57 PM Subscribe
The other shoe is dropping for the Bush administration. Yes it's old news, but relevant to recent events. Cheney ordered to name members of energy panel. Ken Lay, pack your bags!
"Cheney ordered to name members of energy panel."
Dickfilter?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 3:04 PM on July 17, 2003
Dickfilter?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 3:04 PM on July 17, 2003
Tatel, a Clinton appointee, was joined in the ruling by Judge Harry T. Edwards, a Carter appointee, who filed a concurring opinion. Judge A. Raymond Randolph, who was appointed by President George H.W. Bush, dissented.
Ideology over justice, once again. Will justice always be so difficult?
posted by the fire you left me at 3:05 PM on July 17, 2003
Ideology over justice, once again. Will justice always be so difficult?
posted by the fire you left me at 3:05 PM on July 17, 2003
Transcript: Bill Moyers Interviews Larry Klayman, chairman of Judicial Watch.
posted by homunculus at 3:11 PM on July 17, 2003
posted by homunculus at 3:11 PM on July 17, 2003
The mechanisms for justice in our government have been subverted by immoral and small-minded men who capitalize on the distraction and foolishness of the citizenry. The occasional and increasingly infrequent appearance of "justice" is just that: mere appearance due to accidental and temporary convergence.
posted by rushmc at 3:14 PM on July 17, 2003
posted by rushmc at 3:14 PM on July 17, 2003
I can't get enough of these Bush posts! So interesting, unique, informative! And so rare! How how they nurture and satisfy!
Please, more!!! Please!!!
posted by xmutex at 3:28 PM on July 17, 2003
Please, more!!! Please!!!
posted by xmutex at 3:28 PM on July 17, 2003
xmutex, actually, this isn't a Bush post. Its a Cheney post.
Ha.
posted by bshort at 3:31 PM on July 17, 2003
Ha.
posted by bshort at 3:31 PM on July 17, 2003
So this issue of the energy task force list keeps coming up and it makes me wonder: why are they hiding it? If they had just released the list after the meetings it would have been quickly forgotten in the pace of the news cycle. Now, after all this litigation, controversy and secrecy the list is going to be on page 1 of the NYTimes(assuming it ever actually is released.) What could possibly be on that list that would cause any damage to the white house? Keny-Boy Lay? Kang and Kodos? It feels like the administration is secretive to a fault, and that secrecy is discrediting their policies and statements.
posted by elwoodwiles at 3:41 PM on July 17, 2003
posted by elwoodwiles at 3:41 PM on July 17, 2003
Uh oh... Does this mean they're going to have to start a bigger distraction war?
posted by badstone at 3:54 PM on July 17, 2003
posted by badstone at 3:54 PM on July 17, 2003
Cheney ordered to name members of energy panel.
Not exactly.
The 2 to 1 ruling ... does not in itself order the release of specific information, but it affirms a lower court judge's order seeking documents that would shed light on the membership of the group Cheney assembled more than two years ago to help develop U.S. energy policy.... Judicial Watch, the conservative watchdog group that brought the case in 2001, can now continue its legal effort to force the White House to disclose the names of nongovernmental officials who were consulted by Cheney's task force.
posted by azimuth at 4:38 PM on July 17, 2003
Not exactly.
The 2 to 1 ruling ... does not in itself order the release of specific information, but it affirms a lower court judge's order seeking documents that would shed light on the membership of the group Cheney assembled more than two years ago to help develop U.S. energy policy.... Judicial Watch, the conservative watchdog group that brought the case in 2001, can now continue its legal effort to force the White House to disclose the names of nongovernmental officials who were consulted by Cheney's task force.
posted by azimuth at 4:38 PM on July 17, 2003
elwoodwiles....
the coverup is always worse than the crime...
yet again.
posted by aacheson at 5:12 PM on July 17, 2003
the coverup is always worse than the crime...
yet again.
posted by aacheson at 5:12 PM on July 17, 2003
Was GHW bush as GW? I was only kid when Bush 1st was prez, but it seems like GW is like the worst president EVAR.
posted by delmoi at 6:35 PM on July 17, 2003
posted by delmoi at 6:35 PM on July 17, 2003
"This ruling means that the government is not above the law," Klayman said
Gee, I'm glad the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit can FINALLY rule on what we all only suspected all along -- the government is not above the law. Sheesh.
posted by drinkcoffee at 6:45 PM on July 17, 2003
Gee, I'm glad the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit can FINALLY rule on what we all only suspected all along -- the government is not above the law. Sheesh.
posted by drinkcoffee at 6:45 PM on July 17, 2003
So this issue of the energy task force list keeps coming up and it makes me wonder: why are they hiding it?
Probably because the names on that list represent the heads of major power companies (many of ill-repute, like Enron). Their "suggestions" essentially rolled back energy regulation to pre-regulatory days when power could be traded and customers screwed -- basically, the same practices that led to the blackouts in 2000. Deregulation is a complicated problem to explain, but basically, these power companies aren't just interested in controlling the energy grid, they want to get their grubby little hands around every public utility in every government in the world -- gas, telecommunications, even the water supply.
In other words, taxes are spent by the government to create public utilities. Utility companies run profit margains that are very small, by law. If you privatize the utility companies, a few corporations can effectively get a great deal on infrastructure they didn't have to spend dollar one to build. They can then hold countries' populations hostage when their citizens refuse to pay up.
The really comic thing about the energy plan wasn't deregulation -- which is an awful, evil thing -- but the "alternative" sources of energy they offered up to help solve California's problems. One was building more nuclear power plants. It should be no surprise that one of the largest manufacturers of nuclear power plants is a Texas-based company called Brown and Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton Corp. I leave it to dear reader to connect the dots.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 9:08 PM on July 17, 2003
Probably because the names on that list represent the heads of major power companies (many of ill-repute, like Enron). Their "suggestions" essentially rolled back energy regulation to pre-regulatory days when power could be traded and customers screwed -- basically, the same practices that led to the blackouts in 2000. Deregulation is a complicated problem to explain, but basically, these power companies aren't just interested in controlling the energy grid, they want to get their grubby little hands around every public utility in every government in the world -- gas, telecommunications, even the water supply.
In other words, taxes are spent by the government to create public utilities. Utility companies run profit margains that are very small, by law. If you privatize the utility companies, a few corporations can effectively get a great deal on infrastructure they didn't have to spend dollar one to build. They can then hold countries' populations hostage when their citizens refuse to pay up.
The really comic thing about the energy plan wasn't deregulation -- which is an awful, evil thing -- but the "alternative" sources of energy they offered up to help solve California's problems. One was building more nuclear power plants. It should be no surprise that one of the largest manufacturers of nuclear power plants is a Texas-based company called Brown and Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton Corp. I leave it to dear reader to connect the dots.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 9:08 PM on July 17, 2003
Oh, and the reason this is so funny isn't because I have some agenda against nuclear power, but because the suggestion that nuclear power stations be built in California is just monumentally stupid, given that practically the entire state is on a tectonic fault lines. Earthquakes + Nuclear Power Stations = Bad, Bad, Bad.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 9:12 PM on July 17, 2003
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 9:12 PM on July 17, 2003
Earthquakes + Nuclear Power Stations = Bad, Bad, Bad.
Can we stop with socialist, Chomskyite propaganda?
giantdeadlyexplosionsarebadfilter.
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 10:05 PM on July 17, 2003
Can we stop with socialist, Chomskyite propaganda?
giantdeadlyexplosionsarebadfilter.
posted by Ignatius J. Reilly at 10:05 PM on July 17, 2003
Sorry, Ig. I was temporarily brainwashed by NPR and other left-wing fanatics, but I now see the errors of my ways.
Go WTO! Yay IMF! Huzzah World Bank!
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 10:33 PM on July 17, 2003
Go WTO! Yay IMF! Huzzah World Bank!
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 10:33 PM on July 17, 2003
doesn't it sicken you to observe that the government has to be taken to court in order for it to divulge the bloody names of people who have contributed to decisions made for the entire populace? call me crazy, but if these guys in washington are going to be making decisions for me, I want to know exactly how they came to those decisions.
damn my socialist, Chomskyite, black heart
*tips hat to Iggy*
posted by badzen at 10:36 PM on July 17, 2003
damn my socialist, Chomskyite, black heart
*tips hat to Iggy*
posted by badzen at 10:36 PM on July 17, 2003
"Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption and abuse, said today that documents turned over by the Commerce Department, under court order as a result of Judicial Watch’s Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) lawsuit concerning the activities of the Cheney Energy Task Force, contain a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as 2 charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects, and "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts.""
But it wasn't about the oil, not even a bit. How many times in the past few months have people been ridiculed by Bush Cabal Cheerleaders as lefty simpletons for even suggesting that it might have been?
Well, more than a couple, anyway.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 2:24 AM on July 18, 2003
But it wasn't about the oil, not even a bit. How many times in the past few months have people been ridiculed by Bush Cabal Cheerleaders as lefty simpletons for even suggesting that it might have been?
Well, more than a couple, anyway.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 2:24 AM on July 18, 2003
Relevant comments also in this thread.
Cheney ->Energy Policy -> Iraqi Oil -> Project For The New American Century.
posted by VulcanMike at 8:41 AM on July 18, 2003
Cheney ->Energy Policy -> Iraqi Oil -> Project For The New American Century.
posted by VulcanMike at 8:41 AM on July 18, 2003
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Drawing on two rulings issued by the court against President Bill Clinton, Judge David S. Tatel said the Cheney group had not shown that irreparable harm would be done if the lower court were allowed to proceed."
What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
Delicious.
posted by eyebeam at 3:03 PM on July 17, 2003