Isolation due to hostility
April 5, 2004 1:12 PM Subscribe
Teenage lesbian or bisexual girls… are the worst hit by tobacco among all groups of young people, according to a new US study. "Antigay stigma and harassment, rejection from family and friends, and sometimes even physical violence can create a hostile environment for many young people coming to terms with their sexual orientation. This, combined with the tobacco industry's targeted marketing to lesbian and gay communities, is putting lesbian and bisexual girls in harm's way."
Lesbian and bisexual girls were also 60 per cent more likely than heterosexual girls to say they would use tobacco-promoting merchandise like hats and T-shirts.
They've ruined their fashion sense too!!
posted by bob sarabia at 1:30 PM on April 5, 2004
They've ruined their fashion sense too!!
posted by bob sarabia at 1:30 PM on April 5, 2004
Is anyone really "hit" by tobacco so much as they're consciously choosing to smoke it instead? Some of that article hinted at a victimization angle that doesn't sit quite right with me, but an interesting read nonetheless.
It often depends, especially in the case of people who are underage, on marketing techniques. If it's illegal to sell the product to someone under a certain age, it's certainly of questionable ethics to specifically target them as part of a marketing campaign (something the tobacco industry as a whole is notorious for doing).
posted by The God Complex at 1:31 PM on April 5, 2004
It often depends, especially in the case of people who are underage, on marketing techniques. If it's illegal to sell the product to someone under a certain age, it's certainly of questionable ethics to specifically target them as part of a marketing campaign (something the tobacco industry as a whole is notorious for doing).
posted by The God Complex at 1:31 PM on April 5, 2004
hmmmm.
I do not know a single gay woman who smokes tobacco. On the other hand, a large percentage -- perhaps 50% or higher -- of the gay men I know smoke.
Of course, none of these people are teenagers, but a number of them are in their early 20's. Plus, the ones I know who do smoke don't seem to do it because they feel isolated or harrassed, but rather because its just a cultural norm for them ... they frequent bars and clubs where people drink and smoke, and they drink and smoke, too. (I'll also note that I know of at least a couple of people who are actually quitting because of Portland's new ban on smoking in all bars...)
posted by anastasiav at 1:31 PM on April 5, 2004
I do not know a single gay woman who smokes tobacco. On the other hand, a large percentage -- perhaps 50% or higher -- of the gay men I know smoke.
Of course, none of these people are teenagers, but a number of them are in their early 20's. Plus, the ones I know who do smoke don't seem to do it because they feel isolated or harrassed, but rather because its just a cultural norm for them ... they frequent bars and clubs where people drink and smoke, and they drink and smoke, too. (I'll also note that I know of at least a couple of people who are actually quitting because of Portland's new ban on smoking in all bars...)
posted by anastasiav at 1:31 PM on April 5, 2004
I've seen some smokin' teenage lesbians.
Well, pictures of them, anyway.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 1:33 PM on April 5, 2004
Well, pictures of them, anyway.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 1:33 PM on April 5, 2004
I find myself doing the "calculate number of gay acquaintances who smoke, compare resulting statistic to those in link article" thing too, but really that's just way too small a sample size.
How is the tobacco industry especially targeting the gay demographic? This is news to me - not saying it doesn't happen, mind you, just interested in hearing how this is done.
I suspect teenage girls who are lesbian or bi are or see themselves as marginalized/rejected and that this has something to do with their decision to smoke. How sad it is to see those who are in conflict with their support network or with themselves should do something self-destructive in response.
posted by orange swan at 1:49 PM on April 5, 2004
How is the tobacco industry especially targeting the gay demographic? This is news to me - not saying it doesn't happen, mind you, just interested in hearing how this is done.
I suspect teenage girls who are lesbian or bi are or see themselves as marginalized/rejected and that this has something to do with their decision to smoke. How sad it is to see those who are in conflict with their support network or with themselves should do something self-destructive in response.
posted by orange swan at 1:49 PM on April 5, 2004
Well, I've read studies showing smoking is at least somewhat correlated to depression and/or boredom.
I can't imagine the life of a teen lesbian is much of a party, and that they'd be bored out of their minds waiting for college to start so they could get out of high school hell. So it seems smoking kind of naturally goes with that.
posted by mathowie at 2:09 PM on April 5, 2004
I can't imagine the life of a teen lesbian is much of a party, and that they'd be bored out of their minds waiting for college to start so they could get out of high school hell. So it seems smoking kind of naturally goes with that.
posted by mathowie at 2:09 PM on April 5, 2004
The study was based on surveys completed by nearly 11,000 US teenagers in 1999. Because of the frequency of smoking and high scores on a tobacco dependence index, the team believes it is unlikely the lesbian and bisexual girls in the study were merely experimenting. It is likely these girls were addicted to nicotine, they say.
Find it hard disguising one group when each person is an individual.
Wonder if omitting "gay", "lesbian" & "bisexual" from the title, gives the same results?
Growing up noticed more girls smoking than boys. Also an adding factor for the guys was that compared with the girls, the boys were less "hip." Today being a “cool” teen age boy includes extreme exercising/sports activities which may eliminate smoking. Yet for teen girls smoking can be an appetite suppressor in losing weight which would be a large factor for the teen girls smoking today. Have read about many models that smoked for this reason, pot too.
Seems a gay lesbian or bisexual girl would be a more outgoing as a teen in this world and would live an adventurous life including extreme exercising/sports which could turn them away from smoking.
Surprise this study didn't yield: smoking after sex is more common among teen girls.
posted by thomcatspike at 2:14 PM on April 5, 2004
Find it hard disguising one group when each person is an individual.
Wonder if omitting "gay", "lesbian" & "bisexual" from the title, gives the same results?
Growing up noticed more girls smoking than boys. Also an adding factor for the guys was that compared with the girls, the boys were less "hip." Today being a “cool” teen age boy includes extreme exercising/sports activities which may eliminate smoking. Yet for teen girls smoking can be an appetite suppressor in losing weight which would be a large factor for the teen girls smoking today. Have read about many models that smoked for this reason, pot too.
Seems a gay lesbian or bisexual girl would be a more outgoing as a teen in this world and would live an adventurous life including extreme exercising/sports which could turn them away from smoking.
Surprise this study didn't yield: smoking after sex is more common among teen girls.
posted by thomcatspike at 2:14 PM on April 5, 2004
You know, if this thread were posted on Fark, there'd be some damn pictures posted by now.
posted by keswick at 2:19 PM on April 5, 2004
posted by keswick at 2:19 PM on April 5, 2004
So, all the girls in high school that smoked and ignored me are gay? That makes me feel better now.
posted by graventy at 2:29 PM on April 5, 2004
posted by graventy at 2:29 PM on April 5, 2004
I say we start a program to help them out lickety split!
posted by darren at 2:29 PM on April 5, 2004
posted by darren at 2:29 PM on April 5, 2004
thomcatspike, you think pot is an appetite suppressant?
posted by agregoli at 2:37 PM on April 5, 2004
posted by agregoli at 2:37 PM on April 5, 2004
agregoli, no but it can be as it is a stimulant. Can't recall the models names off hand.
posted by thomcatspike at 2:49 PM on April 5, 2004
posted by thomcatspike at 2:49 PM on April 5, 2004
Seems a gay lesbian or bisexual girl would be a more outgoing as a teen in this world
Not sure what you are basing that on thom. Outgoing is the opposite of depressed, right, which seems to be indicated by this: "Antigay stigma and harassment, rejection from family and friends, and sometimes even physical violence can create a hostile environment for many young people coming to terms with their sexual orientation."
posted by dash_slot- at 3:17 PM on April 5, 2004
Not sure what you are basing that on thom. Outgoing is the opposite of depressed, right, which seems to be indicated by this: "Antigay stigma and harassment, rejection from family and friends, and sometimes even physical violence can create a hostile environment for many young people coming to terms with their sexual orientation."
posted by dash_slot- at 3:17 PM on April 5, 2004
Outgoing is the opposite of depressed, right
"Extroversion" (outgoing personality type) is the opposite of "introversion" (inward personality type). Depression takes many forms, and I think you'd probably find that a great many "outgoing" people are depressed.
posted by The God Complex at 3:25 PM on April 5, 2004
"Extroversion" (outgoing personality type) is the opposite of "introversion" (inward personality type). Depression takes many forms, and I think you'd probably find that a great many "outgoing" people are depressed.
posted by The God Complex at 3:25 PM on April 5, 2004
How is the tobacco industry especially targeting the gay demographic? This is news to me - not saying it doesn't happen, mind you, just interested in hearing how this is done.
I could go for a few examples as well.
posted by Witty at 3:36 PM on April 5, 2004
I could go for a few examples as well.
posted by Witty at 3:36 PM on April 5, 2004
Not sure what you are basing
dash_slot-, so the study finds teen girls that are bi or lesbian are being depressed by their sexual orientation?
posted by thomcatspike at 3:40 PM on April 5, 2004
dash_slot-, so the study finds teen girls that are bi or lesbian are being depressed by their sexual orientation?
posted by thomcatspike at 3:40 PM on April 5, 2004
Guess I have trouble with the study being legit as in my area you must be 17 to smoke. So it seems smoking is a rebellious thing that a teen would do being a teen.
posted by thomcatspike at 3:48 PM on April 5, 2004
posted by thomcatspike at 3:48 PM on April 5, 2004
I'm testament to the fact that outgoing can be depressed. Sorry, dashing off a quick reply to thom meant that i was imprecise.
I can see I'm not alone in that tho... (",)
posted by dash_slot- at 5:02 PM on April 5, 2004
I can see I'm not alone in that tho... (",)
posted by dash_slot- at 5:02 PM on April 5, 2004
This thread is just now posted on Fark.
No pictures as of yet. Will continue to scan thread for, erm, scientific purposes.
posted by loquacious at 6:01 PM on April 5, 2004
No pictures as of yet. Will continue to scan thread for, erm, scientific purposes.
posted by loquacious at 6:01 PM on April 5, 2004
I'm with dhoyt...maybe I don't have that much faith in the ability of advertising to influence people in this way, but I know that when I (regretably) took up smoking (although I am not a teenage lesbian...yet!) direct advertising had nothing to do with it. Depression? Sure. Social situation? Sure. Boredom? Sure. Marketing? Well where I come from, tobacco advertising has been regulated to the point that it barely exists.
You've got to make a choice to smoke. And if you let a billboard fool you into smoking, then you're still a chump. Sure depression is probably a factor, but it would be a factor even in the complete absence of marketing.
Although I can think of three teen lesbians I know who smoke...
posted by Jimbob at 7:11 PM on April 5, 2004
You've got to make a choice to smoke. And if you let a billboard fool you into smoking, then you're still a chump. Sure depression is probably a factor, but it would be a factor even in the complete absence of marketing.
Although I can think of three teen lesbians I know who smoke...
posted by Jimbob at 7:11 PM on April 5, 2004
My name is Derek Hamilton, and I'm a smoker. I chose to smoke, and my eventual cancer-caused death will be my own damn fault, just like my whole smoking problem.
I'm all for villifying the tobacco industry, but let's have some accountability on our -- that is the consumer's -- behalf. If you smoke, it's your own fault. Blame it on life's stress all you want; the fact is, it was a conscious choice.
Gay, bi, or straight, if you're dumb enough to dance with the cancer plant is was your choice and no one else's. And if you started smoking because you thought it would be a great stress reliever, then double shame on you.
posted by Dark Messiah at 7:18 PM on April 5, 2004
I'm all for villifying the tobacco industry, but let's have some accountability on our -- that is the consumer's -- behalf. If you smoke, it's your own fault. Blame it on life's stress all you want; the fact is, it was a conscious choice.
Gay, bi, or straight, if you're dumb enough to dance with the cancer plant is was your choice and no one else's. And if you started smoking because you thought it would be a great stress reliever, then double shame on you.
posted by Dark Messiah at 7:18 PM on April 5, 2004
I don't know if i believe there's anything here. The study found that gay dudes aren't any more likely to smoke, but i can say with almost certainty that being a gay male is far more stigmatized in our culture than being a gay female.
this article is way too free with the huge unsupported blanket statments:
"There's evidence that tobacco companies have particularly targeted women in the past"
"This, combined with the tobacco industry's targeted marketing to lesbian and gay communities, is putting lesbian and bisexual girls in harm's way"
That's just silly. I'm so bored with the victim mentality.
posted by glenwood at 8:04 PM on April 5, 2004
this article is way too free with the huge unsupported blanket statments:
"There's evidence that tobacco companies have particularly targeted women in the past"
"This, combined with the tobacco industry's targeted marketing to lesbian and gay communities, is putting lesbian and bisexual girls in harm's way"
That's just silly. I'm so bored with the victim mentality.
posted by glenwood at 8:04 PM on April 5, 2004
As someone who sees 40-50 under-21 queer teens per week (I run a queer youth group in Albuquerque), I've noticed the EXACT opposite. I see FAR more young gay men smoke then young lesbians. It's anecdotal, of course, but it's pretty consistent week-to-week.
posted by answergrape at 8:14 PM on April 5, 2004
posted by answergrape at 8:14 PM on April 5, 2004
Tobacco is an addictive substance. More gay people have addiction problems than those in the straight community. Why is this? Or is it even true, who sponsored this study and why.
posted by stbalbach at 8:15 PM on April 5, 2004
posted by stbalbach at 8:15 PM on April 5, 2004
Yet for teen girls smoking can be an appetite suppressor in losing weight which would be a large factor for the teen girls smoking today. Have read about many models that smoked for this reason, pot too.
Smoking pot is an appitite suppressor now?
posted by delmoi at 9:28 PM on April 5, 2004
Smoking pot is an appitite suppressor now?
posted by delmoi at 9:28 PM on April 5, 2004
so do tobacco reps hang out in gay bars or what? examples people
posted by bob sarabia at 9:31 PM on April 5, 2004
posted by bob sarabia at 9:31 PM on April 5, 2004
so, would you girls like to come up and view my Virginia Slims collection?
posted by quonsar at 9:34 PM on April 5, 2004
posted by quonsar at 9:34 PM on April 5, 2004
The quick and easy answer stbalbach is to consider where most gay people must venture at some point in their life: a gay bar. What do people generally do at such an establishment? Drink and smoke. Why do they continue to go there? A high concentration of those who are like you i.e. gay without the persistent worry of "what if this person isn't gay and I get my ass kicked for thinking they are?!"
Historically speaking, (see Stonewall) the bars have been the meeting place for many years and I believe this only increases the incidence of alcohol/tobacco abuse. Coincidentally (or perhaps as a result), some of the largest AA groups are those of the gay/lesbian variety.
Why do more gay people have "addiction problems?" The answer is in your newspaper - Civil Union v. Marriage; on the web courtesy of Fred Phelps; in the many churches who use the bible as a club and in the families who throw their children on the street for the simple fact of being gay.
posted by sillygit at 9:35 PM on April 5, 2004
Historically speaking, (see Stonewall) the bars have been the meeting place for many years and I believe this only increases the incidence of alcohol/tobacco abuse. Coincidentally (or perhaps as a result), some of the largest AA groups are those of the gay/lesbian variety.
Why do more gay people have "addiction problems?" The answer is in your newspaper - Civil Union v. Marriage; on the web courtesy of Fred Phelps; in the many churches who use the bible as a club and in the families who throw their children on the street for the simple fact of being gay.
posted by sillygit at 9:35 PM on April 5, 2004
The amount of gay men that smoke is very high, IIRC, and has also been a topic of discussion.
posted by abcde at 10:40 PM on April 5, 2004
posted by abcde at 10:40 PM on April 5, 2004
Why do more gay people have "addiction problems?" The answer is in your newspaper - Civil Union v. Marriage; on the web courtesy of Fred Phelps; in the many churches who use the bible as a club and in the families who throw their children on the street for the simple fact of being gay.
There! You solved it! It can't be anything else, because that's hard science. Gay smoking is the fault of Fred Phelps, the Bible and Civil Unions.
Umm, actually, I'm going to suggest that you check your research again and throw out the reactionary stuff because 100% of this seems very hard to substantiate. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I also can't offer any evidence that you were talking out of any place but your ass.
(I don't have a problem with gay people in any sense so save the bigotry allegations for someone who deserves them.)
posted by Mayor Curley at 10:55 PM on April 5, 2004
There! You solved it! It can't be anything else, because that's hard science. Gay smoking is the fault of Fred Phelps, the Bible and Civil Unions.
Umm, actually, I'm going to suggest that you check your research again and throw out the reactionary stuff because 100% of this seems very hard to substantiate. I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I also can't offer any evidence that you were talking out of any place but your ass.
(I don't have a problem with gay people in any sense so save the bigotry allegations for someone who deserves them.)
posted by Mayor Curley at 10:55 PM on April 5, 2004
As a close friend once told me, "Dammit, smoking *is* cool. And don't ever let anybody convince you otherwise."
He later tried hard to quit, but, when questioned, stood strong by his previous statement.
posted by kaibutsu at 10:58 PM on April 5, 2004
He later tried hard to quit, but, when questioned, stood strong by his previous statement.
posted by kaibutsu at 10:58 PM on April 5, 2004
Oh sure, kaibutsu, it's cool. But it's also simultaneously disgusting, terribly unhealthy, and a huge waste of money. Shame how that works.
posted by orange swan at 5:59 AM on April 6, 2004
posted by orange swan at 5:59 AM on April 6, 2004
Yeah, pot is in no way an appetite suppressant as far as I've ever seen.
posted by agregoli at 6:45 AM on April 6, 2004
posted by agregoli at 6:45 AM on April 6, 2004
And if you let a billboard fool you into smoking, then you're still a chump.
It's really a lot more subtle than that. It isn't like people see a billboard and say, hmm, better start smoking. But if you continually see images of people smoking where they look cool and relaxed and comfortable and confident, then you have that type in your mind as a "smoker" even before you consider taking it up yourself. If all billboard images of smokers were ugly and fat and smoking through steel tracheotomies or something, then the general image of smoking as "cool" would probably be less gripping. Obviously a lot of the influence is through people you actually meet in real life, but we definitely have an image in our heads of what a smoker "is" and a lot of this is because of movies and advertising, so people in real life often try to fit that profile by taking up smoking...
Sure depression is probably a factor, but it would be a factor even in the complete absence of marketing.
I agree that there are a lot of other reasons people take up smoking, even minus advertising. But I still think it has some kind of impact on our image of smokers in general. Not that one billboard changes how you think, but I think a continual influx of positive images helps people start or keep smoking, while a continual influx of negative images can be a factor in people stopping or never starting. There's no 1 to 1 correlation or anything like that, but I think it's a little naive and/or egotistical to imagine it has no effect at all. Our ideas about things are to some degree shaped by the culture in which we're brought up, and that culture is to some degree shaped by paid promotions.
Smoking (tobacco) among teenage girls is almost definitely somewhat related to dieting.
posted by mdn at 7:59 AM on April 6, 2004
It's really a lot more subtle than that. It isn't like people see a billboard and say, hmm, better start smoking. But if you continually see images of people smoking where they look cool and relaxed and comfortable and confident, then you have that type in your mind as a "smoker" even before you consider taking it up yourself. If all billboard images of smokers were ugly and fat and smoking through steel tracheotomies or something, then the general image of smoking as "cool" would probably be less gripping. Obviously a lot of the influence is through people you actually meet in real life, but we definitely have an image in our heads of what a smoker "is" and a lot of this is because of movies and advertising, so people in real life often try to fit that profile by taking up smoking...
Sure depression is probably a factor, but it would be a factor even in the complete absence of marketing.
I agree that there are a lot of other reasons people take up smoking, even minus advertising. But I still think it has some kind of impact on our image of smokers in general. Not that one billboard changes how you think, but I think a continual influx of positive images helps people start or keep smoking, while a continual influx of negative images can be a factor in people stopping or never starting. There's no 1 to 1 correlation or anything like that, but I think it's a little naive and/or egotistical to imagine it has no effect at all. Our ideas about things are to some degree shaped by the culture in which we're brought up, and that culture is to some degree shaped by paid promotions.
Smoking (tobacco) among teenage girls is almost definitely somewhat related to dieting.
posted by mdn at 7:59 AM on April 6, 2004
Major Curley: I think sillygit posits an interesting hypothesis--among teenagers, smoking is definitely seen as badass. When your role in society is defined as an outsider, I think it's much more likely that you'd be willing to try things like smoking, if only to reinforce the distance. Why are you so eager to dismiss this observation outright?
For all the smokers who claim advertising played no role in their decision to start smoking: What brand do you smoke? Why did you choose that brand?
posted by turaho at 8:24 AM on April 6, 2004
For all the smokers who claim advertising played no role in their decision to start smoking: What brand do you smoke? Why did you choose that brand?
posted by turaho at 8:24 AM on April 6, 2004
Lucky Strike. And no, I don't smoke them because of advertising. I smoke them because Lucky Strike means fine tobacco.
posted by dfowler at 9:01 AM on April 6, 2004
posted by dfowler at 9:01 AM on April 6, 2004
thomcatspike, you think pot is an appetite suppressant?
Smoking pot is an appetite suppressor now?
Yeah, pot is in no way an appetite suppressant as far as I've ever seen.
Guess you both know from experience?
agregoli, no but it can be as it is a stimulant.
W/O derailing the thread further...Yes. Have read and been told first hand it was smoked to control the appetite. Try a cigarette with your toke and see how your stomach feels.
posted by thomcatspike at 9:05 AM on April 6, 2004
Smoking pot is an appetite suppressor now?
Yeah, pot is in no way an appetite suppressant as far as I've ever seen.
Guess you both know from experience?
agregoli, no but it can be as it is a stimulant.
W/O derailing the thread further...Yes. Have read and been told first hand it was smoked to control the appetite. Try a cigarette with your toke and see how your stomach feels.
posted by thomcatspike at 9:05 AM on April 6, 2004
What brand do you smoke? Why did you choose that brand?
Interval Blond, belgian rolling tobacco, one of the lightest tobaccos available on the market. I have never see a single advertisement for it.
Have you?
posted by ruelle at 11:37 AM on April 6, 2004
Interval Blond, belgian rolling tobacco, one of the lightest tobaccos available on the market. I have never see a single advertisement for it.
Have you?
posted by ruelle at 11:37 AM on April 6, 2004
No, I haven't, but I think folks who roll their own cigarettes are a different beast altogether.
My point (and I apologize if this is a slight derail) is most teenage smokers (heck, most smokers) have a favorite brand that they're slavishly dedicated to. I started off smoking Marlboro Reds when I was a teenager because I wanted to be a cowboy. Every twentysomething female smoker I know smokes Marlboro Light 100s. My black friends smoke either Newports or Parliaments. My hipster friends all smoke Natural American Spirit. My grandmother and her friends all smoke Merits. I've never seen a man smoke a Capri.
I'm not saying these are hard and fast rules, though. But there's a reason these patterns emerge and it isn't coincidence. Those demographics are being courted by tobacco companies. So while I agree that the decision to smoke is ultimately the consumer's decision, you can't deny marketing plays a huge role in the process.
posted by turaho at 12:18 PM on April 6, 2004
My point (and I apologize if this is a slight derail) is most teenage smokers (heck, most smokers) have a favorite brand that they're slavishly dedicated to. I started off smoking Marlboro Reds when I was a teenager because I wanted to be a cowboy. Every twentysomething female smoker I know smokes Marlboro Light 100s. My black friends smoke either Newports or Parliaments. My hipster friends all smoke Natural American Spirit. My grandmother and her friends all smoke Merits. I've never seen a man smoke a Capri.
I'm not saying these are hard and fast rules, though. But there's a reason these patterns emerge and it isn't coincidence. Those demographics are being courted by tobacco companies. So while I agree that the decision to smoke is ultimately the consumer's decision, you can't deny marketing plays a huge role in the process.
posted by turaho at 12:18 PM on April 6, 2004
My tobacconist suggested I switch brands when I became a teenager, and then again when I became a lesbian. Now I smoke Luckys.
Why?
Lucky Strike means fine tobacco, that's why.
posted by dfowler at 12:55 PM on April 6, 2004
Why?
Lucky Strike means fine tobacco, that's why.
posted by dfowler at 12:55 PM on April 6, 2004
I see FAR more young gay men smoke then young lesbians.
must. not. make...freudian quip......
*has heart attack*
posted by jonmc at 12:59 PM on April 6, 2004
must. not. make...freudian quip......
*has heart attack*
posted by jonmc at 12:59 PM on April 6, 2004
I'd walk a mile for dfowler. He tastes good, like a dfowler should.
posted by turaho at 1:06 PM on April 6, 2004
posted by turaho at 1:06 PM on April 6, 2004
you can't deny marketing plays a huge role in the process.
Every cigarette you named looks, tastes and smokes differently. You differentiated the looks that smoke them yet no advertisement than the brand itself is enjoyed.
Or...price.
posted by thomcatspike at 1:47 PM on April 6, 2004
Every cigarette you named looks, tastes and smokes differently. You differentiated the looks that smoke them yet no advertisement than the brand itself is enjoyed.
Or...price.
posted by thomcatspike at 1:47 PM on April 6, 2004
As for passive smoking, I like to be in the same room as someone smoking a Lucky Strike.
Lucky Strike means fine 2nd-hand tobacco smoke, that's why.
posted by SpaceCadet at 2:55 PM on April 6, 2004
Lucky Strike means fine 2nd-hand tobacco smoke, that's why.
posted by SpaceCadet at 2:55 PM on April 6, 2004
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Is anyone really "hit" by tobacco so much as they're consciously choosing to smoke it instead? Some of that article hinted at a victimization angle that doesn't sit quite right with me, but an interesting read nonetheless.
Also: none of the teenage lesbians I know smoke.
posted by dhoyt at 1:18 PM on April 5, 2004