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Reality's Apprentice Reality TV may seem a world away from real life, but what happens when Donald Trump’s The Apprentice moves in upstairs? Worse, what happens when it seems to be a sham? Keith Hollihan reports with a fascinating account of his life’s surreal intrusions.
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posted by anastasiav at 10:36 PM on April 13, 2004
posted by anastasiav at 10:36 PM on April 13, 2004
I thought it was fun. Thanks lil k!
posted by The God Complex at 10:40 PM on April 13, 2004
posted by The God Complex at 10:40 PM on April 13, 2004
Shocking.
posted by Quartermass at 10:44 PM on April 13, 2004
posted by Quartermass at 10:44 PM on April 13, 2004
Great story. Is this this something I'd need a TV for to know whether he made the whole thing up?
posted by cbrody at 10:56 PM on April 13, 2004
posted by cbrody at 10:56 PM on April 13, 2004
Reality TV != reality. New York landlords can be unscrupulous. Film shoots can be obnoxious.
This is news?
posted by Vidiot at 10:58 PM on April 13, 2004
This is news?
posted by Vidiot at 10:58 PM on April 13, 2004
what happens when it seems to be a sham?
Hmmm, If the circumstances are a sham on so many levels (as posted) it sort of follows that the reality show is a sham.
Interesting read, I wonder what the spouse wrote?
posted by page404 at 11:01 PM on April 13, 2004
Hmmm, If the circumstances are a sham on so many levels (as posted) it sort of follows that the reality show is a sham.
Interesting read, I wonder what the spouse wrote?
posted by page404 at 11:01 PM on April 13, 2004
that was so much better than watching any of the shows. I wonder what "D" wrote...
posted by dabitch at 1:59 AM on April 14, 2004
posted by dabitch at 1:59 AM on April 14, 2004
I liked how "Reality TV" was pressed between two scenes of New York Reality.
I can't wait for this article to be ripped from the headlines on Law & Order.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:49 AM on April 14, 2004
I can't wait for this article to be ripped from the headlines on Law & Order.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 6:49 AM on April 14, 2004
Great article. Anybody who has a problem reading well-written but long stories like that needs to go back to Little Golden Books.
Regarding the fakeness: the professional wrestling analogy was spot-on. This stuff is scripted from top to bottom. What isn't scripted is prompted. An off-screen producer will ask a contestant, "What do you think of So-and-So?" The contestant's response is then edited with out the lead-in question to make it appear like he spontaneously said, "I think he's a jerk." Failing those two tactics, controversy is invented in the editing room, where a ten-second comment one day is tacked onto a ten-second comment made weeks later so that they look related, contiguous, or like cause and effect.
It's all baloney, and has been since Puck and the gang appeared on MTV.
posted by Mo Nickels at 7:49 AM on April 14, 2004
Regarding the fakeness: the professional wrestling analogy was spot-on. This stuff is scripted from top to bottom. What isn't scripted is prompted. An off-screen producer will ask a contestant, "What do you think of So-and-So?" The contestant's response is then edited with out the lead-in question to make it appear like he spontaneously said, "I think he's a jerk." Failing those two tactics, controversy is invented in the editing room, where a ten-second comment one day is tacked onto a ten-second comment made weeks later so that they look related, contiguous, or like cause and effect.
It's all baloney, and has been since Puck and the gang appeared on MTV.
posted by Mo Nickels at 7:49 AM on April 14, 2004
Great Article. Good job tracking this stuff down. Still, I do love my Sureality TV.
posted by chunking express at 8:09 AM on April 14, 2004
posted by chunking express at 8:09 AM on April 14, 2004
I quite enjoyed that. Pretty much why I don't watch 'reality' TV nor live in NYC.
posted by widdershins at 9:03 AM on April 14, 2004
posted by widdershins at 9:03 AM on April 14, 2004
Interesting read indeed. He brings up a somewhat disturbing point - if I were that Tammy person who got booted off that episode because the team lost the competition, I'd be pretty pissed. I don't watch the show, but why should we believe that any of the competitions AREN'T rigged? Doesn't it just defeat the whole point of the show?
posted by swank6 at 11:41 AM on April 14, 2004
posted by swank6 at 11:41 AM on April 14, 2004
stories like this always make me think about how in the first draft of Truman Show, the movie actually took place in Manhattan, not in a manufactured terrarium in Florida. scary.
posted by matteo at 11:42 AM on April 14, 2004
posted by matteo at 11:42 AM on April 14, 2004
Thanks, konolia & anastasiav. An entire morning wasted, but I picked up this phrase in balance: 'the passion of a thousand fiery nuns'.
posted by of strange foe at 12:39 PM on April 14, 2004
posted by of strange foe at 12:39 PM on April 14, 2004
Having worked on three reality TV shows, I can vouch that the TV side of this article describes situations that are pretty typical. Between the thousands of hours of footage shot "just in case," the editing room, the "character arcs" planned for the season, and the light and sound equipment constantly in the faces of all the actors/participants, there is very little reality left.
posted by bingo at 2:25 PM on April 14, 2004
posted by bingo at 2:25 PM on April 14, 2004
swank6, Tammy didn't get fired because her team lost the competition, she got fired because Donald didn't want to hire her. For this show, the outcome of the competitions doesn't make any difference, since it's all one big "job interview" and only one person is going to get hired in the end. Tammy had no chance of winning anyway (I sure wouldn't hire her)... the competitions are really just a way to get to know the candidates better, and for us to be entertained. That's the brilliant and refreshing thing about The Apprentice -- at the very least we know that the folks doing the eliminating are trying to make the best decision from a practical business perspective... there's really no room for strategy or alliances or back-stabbing among the contestants. It's been interesting to see who forgot that aspect and thought of it as more of a game.
posted by greengirl at 4:33 PM on April 14, 2004
posted by greengirl at 4:33 PM on April 14, 2004
how do you get fired before you're even hired? I guess "you're not hired" just doesn't work as a catch-phrase-- which is the nut of the whole thing right there.
posted by chaz at 5:26 PM on April 14, 2004
posted by chaz at 5:26 PM on April 14, 2004
They're fired from their apprenticeship. They're going to be hired as a head of one Trump's organizations.
posted by riffola at 7:55 PM on April 14, 2004
posted by riffola at 7:55 PM on April 14, 2004
This is like an impartial article about you written by the cranky guy who lives downstairs and hates how you play your music too loud.
posted by smackfu at 6:25 AM on April 15, 2004
posted by smackfu at 6:25 AM on April 15, 2004
Actually, riffola, there is only one apprentice. The guy left at the end is hired as Trump's apprentice.
posted by VeGiTo at 9:55 PM on April 15, 2004
posted by VeGiTo at 9:55 PM on April 15, 2004
Yeah you're right, my mistake. Well they still worked for Trump during the show so that might constitute as being hired and fired?
posted by riffola at 6:27 AM on April 16, 2004
posted by riffola at 6:27 AM on April 16, 2004
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