Are you a feeder, or a feedee?
May 27, 2004 9:51 AM Subscribe
Feederism: I had no idea it had a name.
what is NAAFA? The National American Association of Fat Asses?
sorry, I don't buy the 'size discrimination' line at all. Take a walk, lardasses of the world.
posted by dvdgee at 9:57 AM on May 27, 2004
sorry, I don't buy the 'size discrimination' line at all. Take a walk, lardasses of the world.
posted by dvdgee at 9:57 AM on May 27, 2004
I once stumbled into a den of feeders accidently on the IRC channel #weightgain while looking for bodybuilding info. Until then I had no idea it existed, let alone had a name.
posted by euphorb at 10:10 AM on May 27, 2004
posted by euphorb at 10:10 AM on May 27, 2004
Not being prejudiced, but...National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance?
Are we sure that's not a spoof?
posted by dash_slot- at 10:11 AM on May 27, 2004
Are we sure that's not a spoof?
posted by dash_slot- at 10:11 AM on May 27, 2004
Oh yeah, more cushion for the pushin', the bigger the waistband, the deeper the quicksand!
Big bottoms, big bottoms, talk about mud flaps, my girl's got 'em!
Takes all kinds.
posted by fenriq at 10:13 AM on May 27, 2004
Big bottoms, big bottoms, talk about mud flaps, my girl's got 'em!
Takes all kinds.
posted by fenriq at 10:13 AM on May 27, 2004
Chanko. For any feeders/feedees who may be reading.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 10:19 AM on May 27, 2004
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 10:19 AM on May 27, 2004
I read about this a month or so ago, and I'm glad that NAAFA has finally taken a stand against feederism. Why this is such a big deal is that for a long time, NAAFA was perceived to be closely associated with Dimensions magazine, which has a lot of feeder content (see column at Big Fat Blog).
Paul explains why it's a problem for the fat acceptance movement to condone feederism a lot better than I do, but to me, it's the reductionism of it. No one should feel that to be accepted by anyone that they need to be reduced to nothing more than a body part--be it their breasts, their feet, or their fat. People are more than a collection of body parts to be weighed against a subjective standard, and feederism is nothing more than another set of subjective standards, one as harmful as the more conventional standard of attractiveness that we all have to deal with on a daily basis.
posted by eilatan at 10:57 AM on May 27, 2004
Paul explains why it's a problem for the fat acceptance movement to condone feederism a lot better than I do, but to me, it's the reductionism of it. No one should feel that to be accepted by anyone that they need to be reduced to nothing more than a body part--be it their breasts, their feet, or their fat. People are more than a collection of body parts to be weighed against a subjective standard, and feederism is nothing more than another set of subjective standards, one as harmful as the more conventional standard of attractiveness that we all have to deal with on a daily basis.
posted by eilatan at 10:57 AM on May 27, 2004
No one should feel that to be accepted by anyone that they need to be reduced to nothing more than a body part
Nobody should feel the need to be accepted by anyone, period. As long as people are hung up on what other people think of them, they'll be fucked up. Stop it!
posted by kindall at 11:25 AM on May 27, 2004
Nobody should feel the need to be accepted by anyone, period. As long as people are hung up on what other people think of them, they'll be fucked up. Stop it!
posted by kindall at 11:25 AM on May 27, 2004
As long as people are hung up on what other people think of them
isn't this one of the primary motivations in a civilized society to not be a gigantic asshole?
posted by glenwood at 11:34 AM on May 27, 2004
isn't this one of the primary motivations in a civilized society to not be a gigantic asshole?
posted by glenwood at 11:34 AM on May 27, 2004
Bottom line is, being fat is not good for you. I'm sorry, but I will not sit back and lavish acceptance on the 300 lb. guy who eats like a garbage truck and never gets off the couch. It's self destructive and it's not OK. Eat less, move more, and Shut Up.
Oh. And Feederism is just another manifestation of the same kind of mental disorder that makes people want to take dumps on each other while they whack off.
posted by JeffK at 12:14 PM on May 27, 2004
Oh. And Feederism is just another manifestation of the same kind of mental disorder that makes people want to take dumps on each other while they whack off.
posted by JeffK at 12:14 PM on May 27, 2004
Is there anything these days that isn't considered a fetish by someone?
posted by SisterHavana at 12:26 PM on May 27, 2004
posted by SisterHavana at 12:26 PM on May 27, 2004
That question gets me hot.
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 12:29 PM on May 27, 2004
posted by PinkStainlessTail at 12:29 PM on May 27, 2004
The internet enables every strange fetish to be celebrated, SisterHavana, didn't you know that? Just check out the channel list from one of the popular IRC servers. If that doesn't give you nightmares, it's time to step away from the computer for a while.
posted by tommasz at 12:39 PM on May 27, 2004
posted by tommasz at 12:39 PM on May 27, 2004
This question from the feeder FAQ is... illuminating...
Do all Feeders want their Feedee to become so fat they are immobile?
I think that pretty much fleshes out the concept. Thanks Archimago, now I can't forget the Feeder FAQ either.
posted by daver at 12:48 PM on May 27, 2004
Do all Feeders want their Feedee to become so fat they are immobile?
I think that pretty much fleshes out the concept. Thanks Archimago, now I can't forget the Feeder FAQ either.
posted by daver at 12:48 PM on May 27, 2004
"It's self destructive and it's not OK"
As long as it's self destructive, why do you give a flying fuck? Who said you get to decide what's OK for someone else to do to himself?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 1:13 PM on May 27, 2004
As long as it's self destructive, why do you give a flying fuck? Who said you get to decide what's OK for someone else to do to himself?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 1:13 PM on May 27, 2004
no, it's not a spoof dash_slot-.
People are more than a collection of body parts to be weighed against a subjective standard, and feederism is nothing more than another set of subjective standards, one as harmful as the more conventional standard of attractiveness that we all have to deal with on a daily basis.
as an FA (fat admirer) who is most definitely not into the feeder thing, i agree with NAAFA, eilatan (and thus you by extension). but only as far as the real world implications of unhealthy weight-gain.
we have to remember we are talking about porn here. people are NOT more than a collection of body parts when they are choosing to sell images of themselves as a product for other people's consumption. an athlete will abuse their body in certain ways to excel in their profession. likewise the programmer who lives on caffeine and cheese-doodles.
it is a good thing that organizations of these individuals take stances to protect members of their group from extremes. but the implication that the tiny-niche feeder phenomenon is as harmful as the mainstream anorexia-worshipping world is off target in my opinion. feeders are the ugly-side of the BBW world, but i am willing to accept them into the fold (heh heh) as we slowly snowball the world into acceptance of all body types. BBW porn -- especially the amateur web stuff where feedees are found -- has done more for that goal than all the non-porn 'fat acceptance' groups combined.
posted by danOstuporStar at 1:14 PM on May 27, 2004
People are more than a collection of body parts to be weighed against a subjective standard, and feederism is nothing more than another set of subjective standards, one as harmful as the more conventional standard of attractiveness that we all have to deal with on a daily basis.
as an FA (fat admirer) who is most definitely not into the feeder thing, i agree with NAAFA, eilatan (and thus you by extension). but only as far as the real world implications of unhealthy weight-gain.
we have to remember we are talking about porn here. people are NOT more than a collection of body parts when they are choosing to sell images of themselves as a product for other people's consumption. an athlete will abuse their body in certain ways to excel in their profession. likewise the programmer who lives on caffeine and cheese-doodles.
it is a good thing that organizations of these individuals take stances to protect members of their group from extremes. but the implication that the tiny-niche feeder phenomenon is as harmful as the mainstream anorexia-worshipping world is off target in my opinion. feeders are the ugly-side of the BBW world, but i am willing to accept them into the fold (heh heh) as we slowly snowball the world into acceptance of all body types. BBW porn -- especially the amateur web stuff where feedees are found -- has done more for that goal than all the non-porn 'fat acceptance' groups combined.
posted by danOstuporStar at 1:14 PM on May 27, 2004
I will not sit back and lavish acceptance
Not really sure what that means, but I don't think anybody is asking you to lavish your acceptance on them ...
posted by spacehug at 1:14 PM on May 27, 2004
Not really sure what that means, but I don't think anybody is asking you to lavish your acceptance on them ...
posted by spacehug at 1:14 PM on May 27, 2004
isn't this one of the primary motivations in a civilized society to not be a gigantic asshole?
Perhaps, but there's no reason it needs to be. Besides, I said people shouldn't get "hung up" on what other people think -- not that they should ignore it completely. You give another person's opinion due consideration, and then, 99.44% of the time, you discard it. After all, you are the person who has to live your life; you and only you are therefore the final authority on what is right for you.
But that other 0.56% of the time is what makes you civilized. You don't do it merely because you want to be accepted, though, but because you want to be a better person.
posted by kindall at 1:24 PM on May 27, 2004
Perhaps, but there's no reason it needs to be. Besides, I said people shouldn't get "hung up" on what other people think -- not that they should ignore it completely. You give another person's opinion due consideration, and then, 99.44% of the time, you discard it. After all, you are the person who has to live your life; you and only you are therefore the final authority on what is right for you.
But that other 0.56% of the time is what makes you civilized. You don't do it merely because you want to be accepted, though, but because you want to be a better person.
posted by kindall at 1:24 PM on May 27, 2004
Feederism: I had no idea it had a name.
It has had a name for a long time:
"marriage"
[rimshot]
I've heard (unsubstantiated) rumors of men purposefully encouraging their wives to grow to unusual proportions. The conventional wisdom has been it was to help prevent the woman from seeming attractive to other men. Maybe they just like 'em big.
posted by Ynoxas at 1:25 PM on May 27, 2004
It has had a name for a long time:
"marriage"
[rimshot]
I've heard (unsubstantiated) rumors of men purposefully encouraging their wives to grow to unusual proportions. The conventional wisdom has been it was to help prevent the woman from seeming attractive to other men. Maybe they just like 'em big.
posted by Ynoxas at 1:25 PM on May 27, 2004
Crash, its a problem because those people leading self poisoned lifestyles eventually need medical care, the costs of which are passed on to you, me and everyone else.
posted by fenriq at 1:31 PM on May 27, 2004
posted by fenriq at 1:31 PM on May 27, 2004
Yeah, yeah, and there are smokers and drinkers and skydivers and BASE jumpers and people who drive cars and ride motorcycles and so on and so on. Perhaps the government should just stick us all in sterile padded boxes and feed us with a precisely-metered IV drip. Then no one could ever be injured, or sick, or fat, or unhealthy in any way. It's for our own good and the good of society, don't you think?
posted by mr_crash_davis at 1:36 PM on May 27, 2004
posted by mr_crash_davis at 1:36 PM on May 27, 2004
I thought it said "NAFTA."
Is it just me?
Nope, I thought it was about trade, until I saw the funky F in the logo and then got to the word sexual in the article.
Pretty damn creepy. I want to return to not knowing about it.
posted by milovoo at 3:08 PM on May 27, 2004
Is it just me?
Nope, I thought it was about trade, until I saw the funky F in the logo and then got to the word sexual in the article.
Pretty damn creepy. I want to return to not knowing about it.
posted by milovoo at 3:08 PM on May 27, 2004
You don't do it merely because you want to be accepted, though, but because you want to be a better person.
Words to live by.
posted by rushmc at 3:46 PM on May 27, 2004
Words to live by.
posted by rushmc at 3:46 PM on May 27, 2004
what is NAAFA? The National American Association of Fat Asses?
sorry, I don't buy the 'size discrimination' line at all. Take a walk, lardasses of the world.
Feederism IS creepy. But, for what it's worth, the fact that every single discussion having to do with body size and fat people on MetaFilter ends up featuring stupid, hateful remarks like this one from dvdgee is also pretty creepy, and it's why I rarely bother getting involved in any discussions at all here.
posted by apollonia6 at 8:53 AM on May 28, 2004
sorry, I don't buy the 'size discrimination' line at all. Take a walk, lardasses of the world.
Feederism IS creepy. But, for what it's worth, the fact that every single discussion having to do with body size and fat people on MetaFilter ends up featuring stupid, hateful remarks like this one from dvdgee is also pretty creepy, and it's why I rarely bother getting involved in any discussions at all here.
posted by apollonia6 at 8:53 AM on May 28, 2004
Size Discrimination, in a nutshell:
- Being bullied, taunted and/or publicly insulted based upon the size of your body.
- Being denied or given substandard medical care because of the size of your body.
- Being denied employment or facing humiliation or punitive treatments in the workplace because of the size of your body.
- Receiving a lower rate of pay because of the size of your body.
- Being forced to pay higher insurance premiums or being denied coverage altogther based solely on weight, without regard to any other factors regarding your personal health
- Being denied the ability to adopt children (2, 3) based solely upon your weight, without regard to any other factors regarding your personal health.
- Being subjected to supposedly anonymous public humiliations based solely upon the size of your body.
And that doesn't touch living in a society which finds vapid, emaciated actresses hamming it up in fat padding to be the height of humor or the machinations of a $50 billion/year diet industry which gladly underwrites many of the anti-fatpropaganda research and advertising which has served to convince many Americans that every fat person has one foot in the grave and is somehow picking the collective national pocket to pay for their endless litany of heart attacks, strokes and age 40 funerals.
Whether you choose to "buy it" or not, it's real, it exists, and it has an impact on millions of people in every facet of society every single day. And being self-righteous, ignorant and insulting makes you part of the problem, not part of the solution.
posted by Dreama at 11:05 AM on May 28, 2004
- Being bullied, taunted and/or publicly insulted based upon the size of your body.
- Being denied or given substandard medical care because of the size of your body.
- Being denied employment or facing humiliation or punitive treatments in the workplace because of the size of your body.
- Receiving a lower rate of pay because of the size of your body.
- Being forced to pay higher insurance premiums or being denied coverage altogther based solely on weight, without regard to any other factors regarding your personal health
- Being denied the ability to adopt children (2, 3) based solely upon your weight, without regard to any other factors regarding your personal health.
- Being subjected to supposedly anonymous public humiliations based solely upon the size of your body.
And that doesn't touch living in a society which finds vapid, emaciated actresses hamming it up in fat padding to be the height of humor or the machinations of a $50 billion/year diet industry which gladly underwrites many of the anti-fat
Whether you choose to "buy it" or not, it's real, it exists, and it has an impact on millions of people in every facet of society every single day. And being self-righteous, ignorant and insulting makes you part of the problem, not part of the solution.
posted by Dreama at 11:05 AM on May 28, 2004
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