How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
September 28, 2004 2:31 PM   Subscribe

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power (The Guardian): George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany. The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.
posted by hoder (30 comments total)

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hahahaha. What a steaming pile.
posted by xmutex at 2:50 PM on September 28, 2004

Don't make me say the G-word.
posted by neckro23 at 2:54 PM on September 28, 2004

Geronimo? As in "Prescott Bush stole Geronimo's skull?"
posted by sonofsamiam at 2:59 PM on September 28, 2004

Well, you know, I was all set to vote for Bush because I don't like Kerry's Vietnam behavior, but now I think I will vote for Kerry because Bush's grandfather supported the Nazis. I will stick with this evidence unless somebody proves that Kerry's ancestors were slave holders or Bush's ancestors worked for the Inquisition or something.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:00 PM on September 28, 2004

nice clan those bush's ... i wonder if hitler ever laughed and joked about sending any of his victims to their deaths?
posted by specialk420 at 3:02 PM on September 28, 2004

Yep, the Bush's are well on their way to becoming one of the most dirty policitical families in the history of the country!

But I heard that John Kerry threw some medals over a wall, that's gotta be waaaay worse than supporting a genocidal maniac? Doesn't it? Doesn't it?

Damn it, we need to get Karl Rove a MeFi account.
posted by fenriq at 3:05 PM on September 28, 2004

posted by mcsweetie at 3:05 PM on September 28, 2004

Previous thread.
posted by Zurishaddai at 3:09 PM on September 28, 2004

Argh. Why oh why did the writer of the article have to take a "this may effect the election" angle. There were so many other things to be said.

Will this lawsuit stick? I don't see how Prescott's descendents can be held responsible for what he did.
posted by orange swan at 3:10 PM on September 28, 2004

Is that why George P served in the Pacific theater?
posted by ae4rv at 3:11 PM on September 28, 2004


And yeah, the Bush family is incredibly corrupt. They make the Kennedys look like Boy Scouts.
posted by orange swan at 3:13 PM on September 28, 2004

Its time for the Bush's to go Cheney themselves!
posted by fenriq at 3:17 PM on September 28, 2004

> They make the Kennedys look like Boy Scouts.

Not Papa Joe they don't. Joe liked old Adolf pretty well too.
posted by jfuller at 3:18 PM on September 28, 2004

So Prescott was a Nazi profiteer, and George I helped Saddam into power, we GOTTA elect W because he hasn't affiliated himself strongly with a particular dictator yet... unless you count... well you know the domestic thing. hehehe
posted by edgeways at 3:18 PM on September 28, 2004

They make the Kennedys look like Boy Scouts.

Well, Boy Scouts with Mafia and Bootlegging badges. And it's not like the Kennedys didn't love themselves some Hitler too. A poor example. Unless you were referring to William Kennedy Smith; he seems like such a nice boy.
posted by yerfatma at 3:26 PM on September 28, 2004

Ooouch, I got some in my eye! Aim for the cracker, dammit.
posted by dhoyt at 3:31 PM on September 28, 2004

Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler


"That the Bush wealth and prominence in American politics is derived from Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker's support of Hitler is a historical fact."

That's probably an overstatement, but the money was very important for the Bush family to say the least. Further, it would not be too far of a stretch to say that the money was deeply tied to and derived in part from the Holocaust - through the Bush association with both the Thyssen Group and I.G.Farben, both of which employed slave labor.


"All documents provided here in PDF format were discovered by independent journalist, John Buchanan, at The National Archive in a collection of materials declassified September 2003. His helpful introductions to the documents can be found in the links to his commentaries below."

Link goes to a page with a large collection of PDF files.


Hoder : There's more.

I'll post some material when I get a chance.

But, this necessarily long quote from an article by Robert Lederman (scroll down pagr for complete text, more articles, links, etc.) sums up much of the saga :

"At the dawn of the Twentieth Century American industrialists became alarmed at the rate of population growth among minorities and the poor Millions of immigrants were arriving each year in America, dramatically changing the racial and ethnic profile of this nation. At the same time, southern Blacks were migrating north in unprecedented numbers.

Fearful of the emerging union and social rights movements, of minorities vastly outnumbering white Americans or of a Marxist revolution, these industrialists saw eugenics as the solution. Men like Rockefeller, Henry Ford, Andrew Carnegie, JP Morgan, Andrew Mellon, Averell Harriman, the Pioneer Fund’s General W. Draper and Prescott Bush began funding a movement to promote abortion, sterilization and euthanasia as a means of addressing this emerging "problem."

Planned Parenthood founder, Margaret Sanger, was a driving force in the eugenics movement. [For some incredibly racist quotes about blacks and Jews from Sanger's eugenics publication, Birth Control Review, see].

The Harriman family, Prescott Bush’s Wall Street partners in financing Nazi Germany, built the Eugenics Records Office at Cold Springs Harbor NY-which is today the site for the eugenics-based Human Genome Project. ["The Bush family fortune came from the Third Reich...the Rockefellers had financial connections to Nazi Germany". -John Loftus, former US Justice Dept. Nazi War Crimes investigator and President of the Florida Holocaust Museum quoted in the Sarasota Herald-Tribune 11/11/2000 ]

Eugenics advocates present themselves as nobly trying to improve the human race by culling out undesirable traits like low IQ or genetic disease but there has been nothing noble about the history of eugenics. While eugenics in the Third Reich focused on killing Jews, Gypsies, the mentally ill and the disabled, the targets for genetic "improvement", sterilization or elimination in America have been African Americans, Native Americans, Latinos and the poor.

From their Wall Street offices these same wealthy industrialists provided the financial basis for the Third Reich and what they hoped would become a worldwide corporate-fascism [See: The GW Bush Gang: IG Farben 2001]

At the same time in the U.S. they were able to use their influence to get 25 States to pass eugenics laws. Hitler proudly claimed he based his racial laws directly on the parallel American eugenics movement. [See:].

The clearinghouse for the eugenics philosophy in America has been the Pioneer Fund, started in 1937 by General W. Draper.

After helping build the Third Reich with his Wall Street friends Prescott Bush, Allen Dulles and Averell Harriman, Draper was appointed Undersecretary of the Army following WWII and placed in charge of the economic reconstruction of Germany.

To give a sense of the extent to which these industrialists played both sides in WWII - with the full knowledge and support of the U.S. government - none of the IG Farben factories or the Ford, GM, ITT or Alcoa factories owned by American industrialists in Nazi Germany were bombed during the war despite being the industrial base of the Nazi war effort [see: The Secret War Against the Jews, by John Loftus and Mark Aarons; Trading with the Enemy by Charles Higham, 1983; The Splendid Blond Beast: Money Law and Genocide in the Twentieth Century by Christopher Simpson, 1993; Blowback, by Christopher Simpson; OLD NAZIS, THE NEW RIGHT, AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY by Russ Bellant]."

It is, to the best of my knowledge, substantially correct. Here's another extensive summation (one of many)

Here is an extensively worked out timeline which brackets Prescott Bush's busy life


"The following are a very partial list of links to exposes by other authors on the Bush family and on Eugenics. You might want to copy and save this information before it is censored out of existence. My recommending these sites should not be construed as an endorsement of anything on them. They run the gamut of the entire political spectrum. (a pro-Nazi, pro-eugenics site)"

(courtesy of Robert Lederman)


"Casey worked closely with Allen Dulles to bring former top level Nazis involved in the Holocaust and Eugenics to the US following WWII and installing them in the business, medical and the intelligence sectors of the US government. Some of these former Nazis later became a key-and at times very embarrassing-part of George Bush senior's Presidential campaign [See numerous Washington Post articles during September of 1988].

Dulles was both a close Wall Street associate of Bush grandfather Prescott and the legal counsel for Rockefeller subsidiaries Standard Oil and I.G. Farben-two multi-national sister companies that were instrumental in establishing the technological and military power of the Third Reich. He was later appointed the first director of the CIA-an agency with a long history of and expertise in fixing elections...."

(More Lederman)
posted by troutfishing at 3:45 PM on September 28, 2004

Re-emergent American Eugenics Movement looks to unfinished business - The Tennessee primary win of an avowed Eugenicist Republican Congressional candidate underscores the longstanding association of the Republican Party with a resurgent American Eugenics Movement deeply linked to Nazi racial ideology and championed by the Manhattan Institute and the Nazi-associated Pioneer Fund

From Metafilter 34848 Discussion is chock full 'O links.


Trading with the Enemy (Prescott Bush was a bad man) - The mainstream press decides to bring up the Bush/Nazi connection - Newly declassified documents shed new light on the shady beginnings of the Bush family's dynastic wealth: through GW Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush's work as a director of a US bank which was both controlled by the German industrialist Thyssen (who played a key role in bankrolling Hitler's rise to power) and which continued to launder Thyssen Group profits after the US declaration of war against Germany. But if you've been reading Metafilter closely, you would have known the facts almost a year ago. ( * executes clannish, self/Metafilter congratulatory victory jig * ). Will the mainstream press pick up the trail of the story, to the US government secret importation of Nazi scientists immediately after WW2? (don't hold yr. breath)

Metafilter 29036, many more links in the thread discussion.


Just saying.
posted by troutfishing at 3:57 PM on September 28, 2004

Also related to the above themes (though not necessarily directly to the Bush family) - Metafilter 33592, on the US military's development of biological agents which will may be able to target specific ethnic groups.
posted by troutfishing at 4:00 PM on September 28, 2004

In other late breaking news, the Soviet Union is rumored to have the atomic bomb.

Seriously, this stuff was out when Bush I was running against Clinton.
posted by kablam at 4:04 PM on September 28, 2004

Seriously, this stuff was out when Bush I was running against Clinton.

And the point is? Its old news (at least onlibne) so we should ignore the fact that W's family fortune was built on collaboration with Nazis?
posted by pixelgeek at 4:10 PM on September 28, 2004

Kablam, how long ago was that? How many people have grown up to be able to vote? How many of those new voters don't have the first clue that their candidate was raised on blood money from WWII?

Troutfishing, amazing! Thanks for all of the information. Helped put things into much better perspective.
posted by fenriq at 4:11 PM on September 28, 2004

Though I won't deny the possibility of family influence nor the absurd dirt digging value of all this I have to say I thought we were, for the most part, well beyond the Sins of the Father nonsense (other than the sins of our collective Fathers)? Or is that the point, we, or many, are not?
posted by juiceCake at 4:18 PM on September 28, 2004

so, if the bush clan is so into genetic improvement, dubyuh must be a real disappointment.
posted by quonsar at 4:21 PM on September 28, 2004

Let us turn to The Merchant of Venice...

"Yes, truly; for, look you, the sins of the father
are to be laid upon the children: therefore, I
promise ye, I fear you. I was always plain with
you, and so now I speak my agitation of the matter:
therefore be of good cheer, for truly I think you
are damned. There is but one hope in it that can do
you any good; and that is but a kind of bastard
hope neither."

Thing is though - I can't figure out if that means a win for GWB or John Kerry. Why couldn't Shakespeare spell it out in plain English?
posted by apocalypse miaow at 4:28 PM on September 28, 2004

Dubya is caligula's horse.
posted by Space Coyote at 4:28 PM on September 28, 2004

Alright, alright, so Dub doesn't "deserve" to have our wrath visited upon him for the sins of his fathers.

But what if he's up to the same-old, same-old? The Kennedys are actually a really apt counter-example, for two big reasons:

They were "honest crooks", inasmuch as Big Joe took the risks himself. He could have gone down with the rest of his bootlegger buddies. The Bushs and Prescotts were always careful to insulate themselves from the tawdry everyday details. They were face-men: Little risk, big payoff, just for looking patrician.

The second point is that the Kennedys did more or less get out of it at some point. Yeh, Ted probably takes calls from certain old associates; but it's hardly the same thing as hoodwinking the country into going to war so you can pump the profit streams for your ganster buddies, like Poppy and Dubya are doing.
posted by lodurr at 4:38 PM on September 28, 2004

This is such a serious allegation. Nazi profiteering needs to be investigated for so many reasons. But as much as I truly dislike Bush, his family and his ilk, I hope this investigation will not become part of the campaign. Schadenfreude has the potential to cheapen serious investigation of the past.

I really want attention focused on issues of the day, not the generally sliminess of the president's grandfather. And I want the investigation of Precott Bush to focus on his own sick and twisted actions, not on the white-wash of his children and grandchildren.

Is there nothing these skull and bonesmen can't get away with?
posted by gesamtkunstwerk at 4:52 PM on September 28, 2004

Hey, if you are gonna all pile on the past don't forget Neil Bush and the Silverado bailout or the BCCI ties.

Is there any web page that outlines all the government handouts given to Bush and Co? I can't believe no one has a dollar total.
posted by rough ashlar at 4:52 PM on September 28, 2004

Hey, I'd say the continuing connection of the Republicans and American Eugenics as demonstrated by the TN congressperson cited earlier in this thread is reason enough to consider this an ongoing and important story. As my favorite prosecutor says so often on Law & Order, "Your Honor, goes to motive."
posted by billsaysthis at 5:39 PM on September 28, 2004

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