A nice little movie
October 24, 2004 9:07 PM Subscribe
A nice little movie The republican convention
Terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist...
posted by josephtate at 10:16 PM on October 24, 2004
posted by josephtate at 10:16 PM on October 24, 2004
Wow, that's really old. There's also one with kerry and edwards saying "I have a plan" a hundred times or so. Amazing what editing can do, huh?
posted by justgary at 10:26 PM on October 24, 2004
posted by justgary at 10:26 PM on October 24, 2004
yeah, cuz kerry saying 'i have a plan' is worthy of mention beside this scary crew.. sure, gary, sure. Two sides of the same coin, right?
posted by Space Coyote at 10:30 PM on October 24, 2004
posted by Space Coyote at 10:30 PM on October 24, 2004
No space coyote, it's worth mentioning because both are meaningless tripe useful only for entertainment, so you might as well include both. You can edit anything to get the result you want.
I know you'd like metafilter to be void of opposing views. We all have our little disappointments.
posted by justgary at 10:35 PM on October 24, 2004
I know you'd like metafilter to be void of opposing views. We all have our little disappointments.
posted by justgary at 10:35 PM on October 24, 2004
sorry gary, you're wrong. The GOP is fear-mongering to win votes. Plain and simple. What's so amazing is that anyone could refuse to see the obvious. But, that piece of research was already covering in a previous link.
posted by fleener at 10:46 PM on October 24, 2004
posted by fleener at 10:46 PM on October 24, 2004
justgary, you can accomplish many things with editing. However, you can't put words in the mouths of the speakers. (Well, not with this kind editing, anyway.) If you think it's comprarable--equally condemning--to say the phrase "I have a plan" as it is to repetatively and consciously invoke fear in order to cloud the real issues and your incompetance regarding them... well, you're deluded.
posted by dobbs at 10:47 PM on October 24, 2004
posted by dobbs at 10:47 PM on October 24, 2004
Fleener, wrong about what? We just have different opinions. This isn't a math equation where we have one answer we have to both agree with.
Looking at your posting history, I don't think I'll base my correctness on any of your views. That would be like basing my animal rights opinions on peta.
Vote for kerry or you'll lose social security, you'll get drafted....seems like those are attempts at taking votes through fear don't ya think? Of course, I know, those things are the true, which makes them ok.
If you think it's comprarable--equally condemning--to say the phrase "I have a plan" as it is to repetatively and consciously invoke fear in order to cloud the real issues and your incompetance regarding them
There is no condemning on my part. They're both meaningless to me. Repeat sep 11, repeat you have a plan without going into details, both avoid the issues. Get off on it all you want.
well, you're deluded.
I'll just consider the source.
posted by justgary at 10:58 PM on October 24, 2004
Looking at your posting history, I don't think I'll base my correctness on any of your views. That would be like basing my animal rights opinions on peta.
Vote for kerry or you'll lose social security, you'll get drafted....seems like those are attempts at taking votes through fear don't ya think? Of course, I know, those things are the true, which makes them ok.
If you think it's comprarable--equally condemning--to say the phrase "I have a plan" as it is to repetatively and consciously invoke fear in order to cloud the real issues and your incompetance regarding them
There is no condemning on my part. They're both meaningless to me. Repeat sep 11, repeat you have a plan without going into details, both avoid the issues. Get off on it all you want.
well, you're deluded.
I'll just consider the source.
posted by justgary at 10:58 PM on October 24, 2004
I agree with you that a lack of answer/solution/plan is bad regardless of who's lacking it. Of course it's meaningless. But it's unconscionable to abuse the horror of 9/11 to further veil your lies, no? To (intend to) distract your audience by playing to their base fear in order to prop up your empty promises is wrong.
I can't vote for either one of these clowns (and Triumph said it best when he said you're choosing which toilet to drink out of--or the independent when he said when you chose the lesser of two evils you still end up with evil), but I hardly think someone has to be removed from the election/country in order to get the perspective that invoking September 11 as consistently as was done at the RNC is about as low as a person--even a politician--can go.
posted by dobbs at 11:11 PM on October 24, 2004
I can't vote for either one of these clowns (and Triumph said it best when he said you're choosing which toilet to drink out of--or the independent when he said when you chose the lesser of two evils you still end up with evil), but I hardly think someone has to be removed from the election/country in order to get the perspective that invoking September 11 as consistently as was done at the RNC is about as low as a person--even a politician--can go.
posted by dobbs at 11:11 PM on October 24, 2004
I think more attention should be placed on this thread. 380 estimated tons of explosives stolen.
posted by Keyser Soze at 11:14 PM on October 24, 2004
posted by Keyser Soze at 11:14 PM on October 24, 2004
Dobbs, I tend to agree with you. My only point was both parties use talking points that can be easily put to gether in such a way. I also think both parties use fear to get votes.
I simply don't subscribe to the repubs evil/dems angels theory that floats around metafilter these days, and I simply don't get people taking this movie for anything more than entertainment, and it's a little sad that some would get offended when I point out something similar on the other side, like the fact that I mentioned it means anything at all.
Your post has depth and reasoning, something this flick does not. If anyone is depending on entertainment like this to get voters not already in their camp, they are delusional.
And that was my only point ;)
posted by justgary at 11:21 PM on October 24, 2004
I simply don't subscribe to the repubs evil/dems angels theory that floats around metafilter these days, and I simply don't get people taking this movie for anything more than entertainment, and it's a little sad that some would get offended when I point out something similar on the other side, like the fact that I mentioned it means anything at all.
Your post has depth and reasoning, something this flick does not. If anyone is depending on entertainment like this to get voters not already in their camp, they are delusional.
And that was my only point ;)
posted by justgary at 11:21 PM on October 24, 2004
I think the two movies are perfectly comparable.
Kerry/Edwards are promising us a plan. Bush and Co. are promising us endless terrorism.
Kerry wishes to reduce terrorism to an ongoing nuisance – a police matter. The Republicans have said that will never be possible – which means that we'll never get the Constitution turned back on again (did you note that the "Patriot" Act has overridden four of the ten amendments in the Bill of Rights?)
Considering that Kerry is doing everything he can to win this, the nastiest American election in living memory, I'd be surprised if he had a fully fleshed-out plan. Do remember that the "President" has literally thousands of civil servants he could use -- where's his plan? Is he going to fix our broken power infrastructure (blackout 2003/Enron)? Is he going to give us back our civil liberties? Is he going to bring us back towards harmony with our allies? There isn't even a plan to win the war in Afghanistan, let alone the war in Iraq. There's nothing.
A vote for Bush is a vote for terrorism, no more and no less. Terrorism, terrorism, terrorism, terrorism, terrorism.
On preview: Dobbs: what, exactly, is so wrong with John Kerry? I had a very low opinion of him before the debates but I saw a man who, while he did not agree with many of my opinions, seemed to be an intelligent, thoughful, educated and compassionate man with a reasonable perspective on the world. Bush, on the other hand, was unable to formulate a coherent sentence.
posted by lupus_yonderboy at 11:22 PM on October 24, 2004
Kerry/Edwards are promising us a plan. Bush and Co. are promising us endless terrorism.
Kerry wishes to reduce terrorism to an ongoing nuisance – a police matter. The Republicans have said that will never be possible – which means that we'll never get the Constitution turned back on again (did you note that the "Patriot" Act has overridden four of the ten amendments in the Bill of Rights?)
Considering that Kerry is doing everything he can to win this, the nastiest American election in living memory, I'd be surprised if he had a fully fleshed-out plan. Do remember that the "President" has literally thousands of civil servants he could use -- where's his plan? Is he going to fix our broken power infrastructure (blackout 2003/Enron)? Is he going to give us back our civil liberties? Is he going to bring us back towards harmony with our allies? There isn't even a plan to win the war in Afghanistan, let alone the war in Iraq. There's nothing.
A vote for Bush is a vote for terrorism, no more and no less. Terrorism, terrorism, terrorism, terrorism, terrorism.
On preview: Dobbs: what, exactly, is so wrong with John Kerry? I had a very low opinion of him before the debates but I saw a man who, while he did not agree with many of my opinions, seemed to be an intelligent, thoughful, educated and compassionate man with a reasonable perspective on the world. Bush, on the other hand, was unable to formulate a coherent sentence.
posted by lupus_yonderboy at 11:22 PM on October 24, 2004
So why have I recently been getting a QuickTime error claiming that I cannot view these movies without software which is unavailable on the QuickTime servers? Anyone know what's up with that?
posted by Windopaene at 11:43 PM on October 24, 2004
posted by Windopaene at 11:43 PM on October 24, 2004
...developers, developers, developers, terrorists...
posted by scarabic at 12:05 AM on October 25, 2004
posted by scarabic at 12:05 AM on October 25, 2004
oy vey. will metafilter become a discussion (as opposed to propaganda) site again after the election? does metafilter have a plan?
posted by bokononito at 12:26 AM on October 25, 2004
posted by bokononito at 12:26 AM on October 25, 2004
Windopaene, I get that error when I try to watch avi's. It's annoying and I don't know why it happens.
lupus, as for what's wrong with Kerry... I can't say. I know shit about him, overall. My entire exposure to him comes from the debates. I'd never heard him speak prior and haven't heard him speak since.
Though he impressed me in the first debate and was okay in the second, by the third I was tired of him. No question he's smarter, more articulate, presentable, and confident than Bush, but that's not saying a hell of a lot. Were I an American, I would vote for him over Bush. But that doesn't mean I actually believe he's going to come through on his promises (or that they're particularly sound in the first place)--it simply means that I'm more frightened of Bush. If Bush doesn't keep his promises (or in many cases if he does keep them) it's bad for much of the world. If Kerry doesn't keep his promises, it seems only (or mostly) bad for Americans. As selfish as such a thing is, I think much of the world outside the USA agrees with me. If you want to have a moron for a President, that's up to you. However, he should be your moron. (And I'm sorry, but Bush is a moron. Seriously.)
So, in short: they both seem like lying jackasses, but Bush's lies are more dangerous. Kerry seems like he could be a stopper -- someone who can hold things together long enough for someone in your country to grow brains to match balls and vice versa and win an election and get your country back on track.
If Bush wins then, frankly, your country is fucked. His winning will be like a blank cheque--the win will appear like approval of all the bad things he has planned (overturning Roe v. Wade, more of the same in Iraq, amending the constitution to discriminate, a (more than likely in my opinion) draft, no stem cell research, etc etc.). I fear that the hole you'll be in will be so big in 2008--and so much of the world will have been pulled into it--that it'll be near impossible to get out of.
To me, America, at present, seems utterly lost, and that's terrible. The thought that you will go deeper into the rabbit hole should Bush be elected is beyond terrible: it's terrifying.
posted by dobbs at 12:31 AM on October 25, 2004
lupus, as for what's wrong with Kerry... I can't say. I know shit about him, overall. My entire exposure to him comes from the debates. I'd never heard him speak prior and haven't heard him speak since.
Though he impressed me in the first debate and was okay in the second, by the third I was tired of him. No question he's smarter, more articulate, presentable, and confident than Bush, but that's not saying a hell of a lot. Were I an American, I would vote for him over Bush. But that doesn't mean I actually believe he's going to come through on his promises (or that they're particularly sound in the first place)--it simply means that I'm more frightened of Bush. If Bush doesn't keep his promises (or in many cases if he does keep them) it's bad for much of the world. If Kerry doesn't keep his promises, it seems only (or mostly) bad for Americans. As selfish as such a thing is, I think much of the world outside the USA agrees with me. If you want to have a moron for a President, that's up to you. However, he should be your moron. (And I'm sorry, but Bush is a moron. Seriously.)
So, in short: they both seem like lying jackasses, but Bush's lies are more dangerous. Kerry seems like he could be a stopper -- someone who can hold things together long enough for someone in your country to grow brains to match balls and vice versa and win an election and get your country back on track.
If Bush wins then, frankly, your country is fucked. His winning will be like a blank cheque--the win will appear like approval of all the bad things he has planned (overturning Roe v. Wade, more of the same in Iraq, amending the constitution to discriminate, a (more than likely in my opinion) draft, no stem cell research, etc etc.). I fear that the hole you'll be in will be so big in 2008--and so much of the world will have been pulled into it--that it'll be near impossible to get out of.
To me, America, at present, seems utterly lost, and that's terrible. The thought that you will go deeper into the rabbit hole should Bush be elected is beyond terrible: it's terrifying.
posted by dobbs at 12:31 AM on October 25, 2004
A valuable muscle near the base of the spine
SWF, possibly NSFW, .zip available here.
posted by trondant at 12:56 AM on October 25, 2004
SWF, possibly NSFW, .zip available here.
posted by trondant at 12:56 AM on October 25, 2004
380 estimated tons of explosives stolen.
who cares? the world is safer anyway. why? because the president said so
*shakes head*
BOOM!
posted by matteo at 2:59 AM on October 25, 2004
who cares? the world is safer anyway. why? because the president said so
*shakes head*
BOOM!
posted by matteo at 2:59 AM on October 25, 2004
it's unconscionable to abuse the horror of 9/11
And if nobody had mentioned September 11th then the outrage would have been for not mentioning it!
A lose/lose situation?
posted by DrDoberman at 5:45 AM on October 25, 2004
And if nobody had mentioned September 11th then the outrage would have been for not mentioning it!
A lose/lose situation?
posted by DrDoberman at 5:45 AM on October 25, 2004
I disagree with gary on this one. Making fun of someone for saying "I have a plan" a lot is much weaker, rhetorically, than demonstrating how often the GOP speakers invoked fear of terrorism at their convention.
I also think this kind of editing can be an effective form of commentary. Michael Moore uses it to devastating effect, of course, in Fahrenheit 9/11.
posted by rcade at 5:49 AM on October 25, 2004
I also think this kind of editing can be an effective form of commentary. Michael Moore uses it to devastating effect, of course, in Fahrenheit 9/11.
posted by rcade at 5:49 AM on October 25, 2004
Fleener, wrong about what? We just have different opinions. This isn't a math equation where we have one answer we have to both agree with.
Is this that Moral Relativism that the Right is always complaining about? Because if it is, I'm beginning to see their point.
posted by jpoulos at 6:18 AM on October 25, 2004
Is this that Moral Relativism that the Right is always complaining about? Because if it is, I'm beginning to see their point.
posted by jpoulos at 6:18 AM on October 25, 2004
Why didn't they make a movie made up of excerpts from RNC speeches that list the Bush administration's accomplishments over the last four years and the goals for the next four years?
posted by kirkaracha at 9:41 AM on October 25, 2004
posted by kirkaracha at 9:41 AM on October 25, 2004
William S. Burroughs and others - like EBN - are quite fond of the 'cut-up' technique for scrying the depths of things; Text, audio, and later video and film.
The overall message of any particular piece can be found with this technique.
So, we have one side saying "Terrorists!", and another saying "I have a plan!"
I know who I'm voting for.
Also, don't feed the fscking troll. What a pompous blowhard.
Where is EBN these days, anyway? We need them more than ever, if only for the good times. Seriously++
posted by loquacious at 9:59 AM on October 25, 2004
The overall message of any particular piece can be found with this technique.
So, we have one side saying "Terrorists!", and another saying "I have a plan!"
I know who I'm voting for.
Also, don't feed the fscking troll. What a pompous blowhard.
Where is EBN these days, anyway? We need them more than ever, if only for the good times. Seriously++
posted by loquacious at 9:59 AM on October 25, 2004
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