And the winner is...

November 1, 2004 12:03 PM

And the winner is... Kerry with 77% of the vote!
posted by coyroy (29 comments total)

Only 77%? Oh, wait, Bush only got 9%:

Bush 9.0%
Kerry 77.1%
Cobb 3.8%
Nader 6.7%
Brown 2.0%
Peroutka 0.3%
Badnarik 1.1%
posted by Shane at 12:09 PM on November 1, 2004

I'm disputing these results and demand a recount. I'll take it all the way to the Supreme Court if I need to.
posted by Keith Talent at 12:16 PM on November 1, 2004

This is excellent news for Kerry, seeing as how the rest of the world's 0 electoral votes are so vital to his victory.
posted by monosyllabic at 12:22 PM on November 1, 2004

Can it just be over, already?
posted by lodurr at 12:24 PM on November 1, 2004

Um, should I have heard of Cobb, Peroutka and Brown?

And who's this Nader guy I keep seeing?

Seriously though, this is pretty amazing and kind of scary to see how easily the rest of the can see what a fool Bush is and what an awful president he has been and will continue to be if we are stupid enough to give him four more years.

I find it very, very distressing that Bush scored his best numbers on the Middle East.

lodurr, it could be over if Bush would just throw in the towel officially and let the world get back to getting on.
posted by fenriq at 12:25 PM on November 1, 2004

Unfortunately, looking at the comments they've received, the people who are voting Bush don't give a fuck what the rest of the world thinks of the U.S.
posted by AstroGuy at 12:27 PM on November 1, 2004

Is this the election thread already?
posted by NewBornHippy at 12:32 PM on November 1, 2004

This is excellent news! And to think, I was going to get up early and go to the polls to cast my vote.

What Fenriq said.
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 12:33 PM on November 1, 2004

I find it very, very distressing that Bush scored his best numbers on the Middle East.

Disturbing, and intriguing. Most likely it says something about the social transmission of the link to the survey. Nationalists in the region must have not gotten in on this network; that could say something interesting.
posted by lodurr at 12:41 PM on November 1, 2004

the people who are voting Bush don't give a fuck what the rest of the world thinks of the U.S.

There's a difference between not caring and not letting an outside country have an influence on your OWN vote.

Do you think someone in france cares what we think of their elections?

But you know, I've heard this line at least a thousand times. Sheep.
posted by justgary at 12:50 PM on November 1, 2004

I find it very, very distressing that Bush scored his best numbers on the Middle East.

It's hard to beat the Mullahs' endorsement.
posted by NewBornHippy at 12:50 PM on November 1, 2004

Another possibility is that the Middle-East returns are disproportionately from Israel. It wouldn't surprise me if this were the case, and it wouldn't surprise me if Israelis generally saw a Bush victory as more in line with Israel's interests than a Kerry victory. Actually, it would surprise me if the reverse were so.

Even as an American in line with 77% of the rest of the planet, I see this whole thing as an exercise in wankery. The regional breakdowns are kinda interesting, but beyond that...what's the point?
posted by adamrice at 12:53 PM on November 1, 2004

what's the point?

It might serve as a rough indicator of the level of international support and cooperation each candidate might be able to draw upon. With Bush, whatever we do, we're obviously going to have to do it alone. With Kerry, we just might have some help along the way.
posted by ook at 1:09 PM on November 1, 2004

ook, you nailed it. There is almost no global support for Bush but lots of support for Kerry.

I know Germany and France have publicly stated that they wouldn't rethink their part in the Iraq war but I think they actually would. I think they had to hedge their bets against another Bush win or they'd seriously be worried about Bush invading Europe just to spite them.

Now, more than ever, the US can't fight terrorism alone. We need our global allies to back us and we can back them. The "lone gunman" approach looks cool in Westerns but its a really poor foreign relations policy.
posted by fenriq at 1:24 PM on November 1, 2004

How many electoral votes does the moon have?
posted by homunculus at 1:47 PM on November 1, 2004

It might serve as a rough indicator of the level of international support and cooperation each candidate might be able to draw upon.

Very rough, since when we talk about "international support" we're actually only talking about the governments of countries around the world. But this survey "measures" the opinions of the people of those countries, not the government. And they don't necessarily agree. Like in the UK.
posted by smackfu at 2:25 PM on November 1, 2004

I'll admit I've been paying a wee bit more attention to US politics than UK, lately -- but last time I checked, Blair's support for Bush wasn't exactly helping Labour in the polls.

Government support may lag behind popular support, but I'm not yet pessimistic enough to accept that it's become completely divorced from it.

(Ask me again on Nov. 3, though.)
posted by ook at 3:04 PM on November 1, 2004

Germany already said they'd rethink, fenriq
posted by amberglow at 3:37 PM on November 1, 2004

and China's not thrilled with Bush either.
posted by amberglow at 3:55 PM on November 1, 2004

But this survey "measures" the opinions of the people of those countries, not the government. And they don't necessarily agree. Like in the UK.

But many of those nations, unlike America, have functioning democracies in place, which means the opinions of the people are likelier to eventually become the policies of the governments.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 4:01 PM on November 1, 2004

But many of those nations, unlike America, have functioning democracies in place, which means the opinions of the people are likelier to eventually become the policies of the governments.

Oh snap.

+44 points to "da chicken" for making me say oh snap.
posted by The God Complex at 4:38 PM on November 1, 2004

amberglow, thanks for the update! That just adds a little extra shine on the day!

Is it just me or does anyone else feel like its Christmas Eve?
posted by fenriq at 4:44 PM on November 1, 2004

I do! I haven't seen Repubs excited anywhere, online or off. : >

(and even the forecasted bad weather tom'w hurts Bush, i think.)
posted by amberglow at 4:54 PM on November 1, 2004

I haven't seen Repubs excited anywhere, online or off

How often do you see Republicans online or off?


I'm pretty damn excited.
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 5:47 PM on November 1, 2004

I know--you're excited at having a Democratic President to kick around for the next 8 years. : >

All the (Rockefeller, moderate, etc) Repubs i know in real life are either sitting home, voting libertarian, or holding their nose and voting Kerry. And here, there hasn't been as many of the usual suspects cropping up to repeat Repub talking points.
posted by amberglow at 5:56 PM on November 1, 2004

But many of those nations, unlike America, have functioning democracies in place, which means the opinions of the people are likelier to eventually become the policies of the governments.

Oh snap.

double from me, you hunk o' bird!
posted by nofundy at 6:06 PM on November 1, 2004

What "usual suspects" ? They all left months ago...
posted by Steve_at_Linnwood at 6:07 PM on November 1, 2004

Can it just be over, already?

I'll second that. I just want one candidate to have a clear win over the other so all the lawyers get sent packing.
>/test
posted by a3matrix at 6:58 AM on November 2, 2004

What is the >/test in my comment?
posted by a3matrix at 6:59 AM on November 2, 2004