DHS: putting detainees in homeless shelters
November 18, 2004 3:03 PM Subscribe
"The principle issue is the federal government's total disregard of local government," said Gerald Cayer, director of Portland's Department of Health and Human Services. "It's the Department of Homeland Security not appreciating other levels of government as they go through their work." The feds take 5 Honduran nationals from a jail in Bangor, Maine, where they've been held since Sept. 27, and without any notice to local health or law enforcement officials, drop the men off this week at a homeless shelter 2 hours south in Portland. When he asked whether the city would be reimbursed by the federal government for providing services to the men, Cayer said, he was told that the department did not have the money for that.
Well, they DO have a mandate so they really don't need to let anyone know anything before they lock us all up or let us all go or lock half of us up and let the other half go or if they buy us a cheese sandwich.
I think the principle issue is the federal government's total disregard of locals. Not just local governments.
As an aside, I love saying Bangor. Almost as much as I like saying Rectum? Damn near killed him.
Sorry.
posted by fenriq at 3:12 PM on November 18, 2004
I think the principle issue is the federal government's total disregard of locals. Not just local governments.
As an aside, I love saying Bangor. Almost as much as I like saying Rectum? Damn near killed him.
Sorry.
posted by fenriq at 3:12 PM on November 18, 2004
Of course if you pronounced it bang-her round here, we'd all know you were from away. Flatlander.
Realize this is the same state that pronounces Calais (its own, not the French) as callus. So. No moral superiority implied.
posted by damn yankee at 3:17 PM on November 18, 2004
Realize this is the same state that pronounces Calais (its own, not the French) as callus. So. No moral superiority implied.
posted by damn yankee at 3:17 PM on November 18, 2004
And, uh, that should be the "potential" rap sheets of the detainees, though I'm sure Chief is also worried that said rap sheets might be, uh, potent.
posted by damn yankee at 3:19 PM on November 18, 2004
posted by damn yankee at 3:19 PM on November 18, 2004
Well, if this is an example of the throughness and planning that goes into the average DHS action, I'm less than impressed with their ability to handle more important things. Like, you know, securing the homeland...
Not that the DHS has had anything resembling a good record, but this is pretty blatantly stupid and poorly planned.
posted by sotonohito at 3:30 PM on November 18, 2004
Not that the DHS has had anything resembling a good record, but this is pretty blatantly stupid and poorly planned.
posted by sotonohito at 3:30 PM on November 18, 2004
Damn Yankee, don't worry, I'm no flatlander but you won't like me anyway, I'm a Green Mountain Boy.
Don't feel bad though, we have a Governor out here who can't even pronounce California correctly. And we are just as embarrased to have him as our governor as the rest of the world is to see him be our governator.
posted by fenriq at 3:39 PM on November 18, 2004
Don't feel bad though, we have a Governor out here who can't even pronounce California correctly. And we are just as embarrased to have him as our governor as the rest of the world is to see him be our governator.
posted by fenriq at 3:39 PM on November 18, 2004
These people are lucky for getting help. I'd worry more about immigrants who are indefinitely detained by the INS, and disappear from the system.
posted by AlexReynolds at 3:44 PM on November 18, 2004
posted by AlexReynolds at 3:44 PM on November 18, 2004
c/principle/principal
Boy, editorial standards sure have fallen.
posted by neckro23 at 4:09 PM on November 18, 2004
Boy, editorial standards sure have fallen.
posted by neckro23 at 4:09 PM on November 18, 2004
Yup. I saw a Reuters story use the phrase "from the get-go" last week.
posted by crunchburger at 6:07 PM on November 18, 2004
posted by crunchburger at 6:07 PM on November 18, 2004
Of course if you pronounced it bang-her round here, we'd all know you were from away.
Pleased to be explaining why your previous govenor was the Anus King then.
posted by yerfatma at 7:21 PM on November 18, 2004
Pleased to be explaining why your previous govenor was the Anus King then.
posted by yerfatma at 7:21 PM on November 18, 2004
Chitwood is still police chief in Portland? Is he still a fascist?
posted by Mayor Curley at 3:26 AM on November 19, 2004
posted by Mayor Curley at 3:26 AM on November 19, 2004
> "The principle issue is the federal government's total disregard of local government,"
States' Rights (not to mention local rights) look more and more attractive, don't they, when folks you don't like (and who don't like you) are in charge in Washington? How the pendulum swings.
posted by jfuller at 4:27 AM on November 19, 2004
States' Rights (not to mention local rights) look more and more attractive, don't they, when folks you don't like (and who don't like you) are in charge in Washington? How the pendulum swings.
posted by jfuller at 4:27 AM on November 19, 2004
Yes, how it does swing, in great swooping circles of irony. For example, it's irnoic that I should have to point out to you that the "mandated" politicians who are practicing this disregard would have us believe they are avid proponents of states rights.....
posted by lodurr at 4:59 AM on November 19, 2004
posted by lodurr at 4:59 AM on November 19, 2004
Good ol' Juddie Driscoll used to say it right:
"BAN-goah."
'N' don't you fehget it, city slickahs.
:)
Meanwhile, how ironic to turn a bunch of guys loose with no money, no English skills, and first-hand experience of the capriciousness of DHS. Aren't these guys exactly the type of men that terrorists would try to recruit?
posted by zoogleplex at 10:12 AM on November 19, 2004
"BAN-goah."
'N' don't you fehget it, city slickahs.
:)
Meanwhile, how ironic to turn a bunch of guys loose with no money, no English skills, and first-hand experience of the capriciousness of DHS. Aren't these guys exactly the type of men that terrorists would try to recruit?
posted by zoogleplex at 10:12 AM on November 19, 2004
Um, why? Do people with no money, poor English skills, and unpleasant experiences with government agencies generally want to commit mass murder?
posted by esquire at 1:12 PM on November 19, 2004
posted by esquire at 1:12 PM on November 19, 2004
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"Immigration, which is under the Department of Homeland Security, never gave us the courtesy of a call," he said. "We don't know if these guys are murderers, rapists, robbers, terrorists. We have no way of knowing."
Whereas our Health and Human Services guy is more troubled by the idea that these men have been left defenseless, strangers in a strange land, by our government. With winter coming. In Maine.
Cayer doubted that the men posed a threat, but said they have no money, don't speak English and have no social connections here.
posted by damn yankee at 3:11 PM on November 18, 2004