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October 17, 2000 1:15 PM Subscribe
um, i don't see it. i mean, i love derek and his work, but i don't really think he can be credited with inventing the complaint, online or elsewhere. :)
posted by monstro at 1:26 PM on October 17, 2000
posted by monstro at 1:26 PM on October 17, 2000
I think that there is a big difference between a kvetch and a confession myself...
the type of sites that Derek has brought into the world have given inspiration to many user-generated-content sites--but i guess it would be up to Him to decide if he feels like they ripped him off....but i just don't see it.
another thing...notproud is all about being anonymous. Kvetch, and Derek's other storytelling/ranting projects are not about making tiny little anonymous comments.
posted by th3ph17 at 1:30 PM on October 17, 2000
the type of sites that Derek has brought into the world have given inspiration to many user-generated-content sites--but i guess it would be up to Him to decide if he feels like they ripped him off....but i just don't see it.
another thing...notproud is all about being anonymous. Kvetch, and Derek's other storytelling/ranting projects are not about making tiny little anonymous comments.
posted by th3ph17 at 1:30 PM on October 17, 2000
I don't see the similarity either, except in the capability to view others' postings, which is in pretty common usage. I thought it was nicely designed, if somewhat minimal, and I really enjoyed that they added a "Misc." category after the 7 deadlies. have to keep up with us moderns, I guess...
posted by raku at 1:42 PM on October 17, 2000
posted by raku at 1:42 PM on October 17, 2000
I'm not crediting Derek for inventing the complaint either :)
I'm just referring to the whole way the site functions. Just like Kvetch.
posted by kchristidis at 2:15 PM on October 17, 2000
I'm just referring to the whole way the site functions. Just like Kvetch.
posted by kchristidis at 2:15 PM on October 17, 2000
it doesn't feel like Kvetch. Ah hell. Somebody go ask Derek what HE thinks.
Do similar functions a rip-off make? If they stole bits of code, or pics or typography or something...then i could go for that...but it looks different and it really does work differently. Is it original? So-So. Well executed? fairly well, yes. Looks like a fun project.
posted by th3ph17 at 2:30 PM on October 17, 2000
Do similar functions a rip-off make? If they stole bits of code, or pics or typography or something...then i could go for that...but it looks different and it really does work differently. Is it original? So-So. Well executed? fairly well, yes. Looks like a fun project.
posted by th3ph17 at 2:30 PM on October 17, 2000
Christ, what about the second person to write a novel. "Doesn't this seem like a ripoff of Dickens/Thackeray/etc."?
Crotchetiness alert. In the web's early days, there was a site that offered links to all the critical net software, like TCP/IP stacks, e-mail clients, and so on. It was nice, but it wasn't updated very often, and the site was slow as bejesus. Along came Stroud, who began a similar service, except his was always up and was updated very frequently.
Well, if deja were still around, you /might/ be able to find the comp.sys.infosystems flamewar that erupted over whether the first guy "owned" the idea of a site that linked to all the internet software out there. He was there first, after all. Even if somebody else did it more reliably and better, well, we should all keep using his site, just because it was his idea.
Duh.
posted by dhartung at 2:55 PM on October 17, 2000
Crotchetiness alert. In the web's early days, there was a site that offered links to all the critical net software, like TCP/IP stacks, e-mail clients, and so on. It was nice, but it wasn't updated very often, and the site was slow as bejesus. Along came Stroud, who began a similar service, except his was always up and was updated very frequently.
Well, if deja were still around, you /might/ be able to find the comp.sys.infosystems flamewar that erupted over whether the first guy "owned" the idea of a site that linked to all the internet software out there. He was there first, after all. Even if somebody else did it more reliably and better, well, we should all keep using his site, just because it was his idea.
Duh.
posted by dhartung at 2:55 PM on October 17, 2000
And as if to underline my point, kvetch.com isn't even up! Or something. I can't reach it, anyway.
Not that Derek is a slouch; that wasn't my intended argument in any way.
posted by dhartung at 2:56 PM on October 17, 2000
Not that Derek is a slouch; that wasn't my intended argument in any way.
posted by dhartung at 2:56 PM on October 17, 2000
One time, at band camp, I ....Oh wait, wrong site...
(kvetch is up and running nicely, btw)
posted by Hackworth at 4:05 PM on October 17, 2000
(kvetch is up and running nicely, btw)
posted by Hackworth at 4:05 PM on October 17, 2000
Hi! Derek here. Yaknow, the kvetch behind kvetch.com.
And I say: no way! This site doesn't remind me of Kvetch one bit. As The Phil said above, there's a difference between complaint and confession. Kvetch was built for ranting and raving. Not Proud was built for confession. Neither are the first of their kind to be on the net.
This hyper-awareness of originality and imitation is sweet but misguided. I'm all for any kind of personal project that promotes the exchange of ideas online. Totally! Not Proud is great - I wish there was more shit out here like it.
Thanks for pointing it out to me, Konstantinos! (Though, next time, feel free to just email me.)
posted by fraying at 4:08 PM on October 17, 2000
And I say: no way! This site doesn't remind me of Kvetch one bit. As The Phil said above, there's a difference between complaint and confession. Kvetch was built for ranting and raving. Not Proud was built for confession. Neither are the first of their kind to be on the net.
This hyper-awareness of originality and imitation is sweet but misguided. I'm all for any kind of personal project that promotes the exchange of ideas online. Totally! Not Proud is great - I wish there was more shit out here like it.
Thanks for pointing it out to me, Konstantinos! (Though, next time, feel free to just email me.)
posted by fraying at 4:08 PM on October 17, 2000
Unfortunately, the quality of posts leaves something to be desired at the moment. It sounds like 15-year-olds making a joke (no offense to literate 15-year-olds): "I envy really hot chicks. If I were a hot chick, I wouldn't be able to keep my hands off myself." You have to wade through about 10 posts to find something interesting and truly confessional (perhaps due to the anonymity?).
posted by timothompson at 5:00 PM on October 17, 2000
posted by timothompson at 5:00 PM on October 17, 2000
Well, you know, a lot of the web is cubic zirconia; they can't all be gems.
posted by solistrato at 7:34 PM on October 17, 2000
posted by solistrato at 7:34 PM on October 17, 2000
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posted by kchristidis at 1:18 PM on October 17, 2000