CBC versus Ann Coulter
February 1, 2005 4:24 AM   Subscribe

Ann Coulter and the facts on Vietnam
Its nice seeing Ann Coulter squirm. While being interviewed by the CBC's Bob McKeown, Coulter displayed her lack of historical knowledge on Canada's involvement (or lack of) in Vietnam. What's even more telling is her inability or refusal to back down even when she is dead wrong. Here is the video.
posted by mountainmambo (155 comments total)
 
I've noticed that one of Coulter's main strategies is to start reeling off bullshit as if it's fact- for example, she enters a conversation by saying "liberals didn't care when Saddam attacked us on 9/11" and she makes sure to not even pause for breath to allow anyone to refute her.

You can see in her appearances and her writing that she actually thinks things can become true by saying them over and over. So it's very interesting in moments like this when someone catches her right at the get go and she's reduced to going "I know you are but what am I?" until she changes the subject. You can clearly see that she had another 200 words to follow "sent troops to Canada" and she suddenly realized she has to abandon the whole segment of rhetoric because the guy isn't allowing her to go with it.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 4:29 AM on February 1, 2005


uh, I watched the video and she didn't squirm. She just made that weird pinchy face with the cold dead eyes.
posted by mokujin at 4:34 AM on February 1, 2005


Y'know, this just didn't seem so bad to me. I really, truly loathe Ann Coulter, but honestly, if I were in her position and I had a fact wrong, I would probably say about the same thing and act the same way -- I wouldn't just believe this other person, who might well be wrong himself.

Having one fact wrong is a far, far lesser sin to me than her style of hate-laced liberal bashing, which does involve messing with the facts. Yeah, I'm glad she got a fact wrong and I'm glad McKeown pointed it out immediately, but I don't think she handled it badly (except for "not getting back" to him, which of course McKeown could spin however he wanted, even if Coulter meant it as a joking retreat).
posted by sninky-chan at 4:40 AM on February 1, 2005


I think she's a poorly programmed cyborg.
posted by nofundy at 4:41 AM on February 1, 2005


Perhaps she thought Canada = France (who did have troops in Indochina)? They do speack Francais after all.
posted by PenDevil at 4:44 AM on February 1, 2005



"Remember that time we snogged beneath bleachers?"

"We never did that"
posted by srboisvert at 4:49 AM on February 1, 2005


I've noticed that one of Coulter's main strategies is to start reeling off bullshit as if it's fact...

You can see in her appearances and her writing that she actually thinks things can become true by saying them over and over.


I don't believe that analysis is specific to Ann - that seems to be the M.O. of the Bush administration.
posted by jperkins at 4:51 AM on February 1, 2005


I hear she's a transvestite.

Kinda figures that the "hottie" for the wingers would be a guy in drag.

The unfunny Eddie Izzard for the NASCAR crowd?

David Brock claims she lives on cigarettes and chardonnay. Very Christian of her, huh? I'd stay drunk too if I had to live her life.
posted by nofundy at 4:53 AM on February 1, 2005


I hear she's a transvestite.

Kinda figures that the "hottie" for the wingers would be a guy in drag.

The unfunny Eddie Izzard for the NASCAR crowd?

David Brock claims she lives on cigarettes and chardonnay. Very Christian of her, huh? I'd stay drunk too if I had to live her life.


Fuck nofundy, ad hominem much?
posted by jperkins at 4:56 AM on February 1, 2005


David Brock claims she lives on cigarettes and chardonnay. Very Christian of her, huh?

Is there anything particularly unchristian about smoking and drinking? When I was a kid out parish priests used to smoke and drink regularly, there was a catholic men's club 30 yards from the presbytery which served subsidised booze as well as cigs.

On preview: What jperkins said.
posted by biffa at 4:58 AM on February 1, 2005


I loved watching Condie Rice squirm during the 9/11 inquiries too, like she was sitting on an electrified metal chair, until Shrub blatantly rewarded her for all that hemming and hawing and question-dodging. Of course, Shrub's dad had a fall-guy too. Argh!, there is no justice.
posted by Shane at 4:59 AM on February 1, 2005


Ann Coulter was in my sister's graduating class at New Canaan (CT) High School. Neither she nor any of the old friends she's re-connected with through classmates.com have any recollection of her, but we looked in her old yearbook, and lo, there she is. Very odd. We often joke that it would be great if we could go back in time and run her off the road or something. On second thought, maybe somethign like that is why she turned out to be miserable shrew in the first place. /OT
posted by psmealey at 5:04 AM on February 1, 2005


Insipid reactionary gets something wrong... sfw? Now, if it was an old college movie of her vomiting shit that would be "best of web."

Where's the Coulter shit vomit video?
posted by gsb at 5:19 AM on February 1, 2005


How about this one, biffa? Is this Christian enough for you?

"Let's say I go out every night, I meet a guy and have sex with him. Good for me. I'm not married."
-- Ann Coulter, Rivera Live, June 7, 2000
posted by Optimus Chyme at 5:20 AM on February 1, 2005


:: reaction shot of Al Franken smiling knowingly ::
posted by fleetmouse at 5:25 AM on February 1, 2005


Having one fact wrong is a far, far lesser sin to me than [...]

What a fact to have wrong though! There was a range of opinion in Canada about the Vietnam war, but never were we even close to supporting the US militarily. We opened our border to deserters and draft evaders, and the antiwar movement was broadly supported here.
posted by 327.ca at 5:28 AM on February 1, 2005


I think part of her problem, besides the obvious, is that she's just not a very good writer. I mean, her paragraphs don't flow, there's no coming full-circle with her logic - I don't know how she's been elevated to the position that she has with such poor writing skills.
posted by moooshy at 5:30 AM on February 1, 2005


The Fox spin machine is already in action.
posted by cardboard at 5:36 AM on February 1, 2005




Well, Canada did support the U.S. invasion of South Vietnam but didn't send troops.

http://progressive.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/28/234351/315

We don't support the war in Iraq yet, we did send troops there:

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20030327181430827

Go figure.
posted by disgruntled at 5:43 AM on February 1, 2005


The Fox spin machine is already in action.

"The Canadian government gives them a billion dollars to put this sort of stuff on the air, and the Canadian government is really at fault here, isn't it?" O'Reilly said to one guest.


Ah, yes. The old "state controlled media" canard. What a twit.

We have the CBC so that there's an alternative to crap like Fox (which, by the way, is poised to enter the Canadian market.)
posted by 327.ca at 5:44 AM on February 1, 2005


Well, Canada did support the U.S. invasion of South Vietnam but didn't send troops.

http://progressive.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/28/234351/315


Excuse me, but that's incorrect. Yes, individual Canadians joined the American forces to fight there. But Canada did not send troops to Vietnam.
posted by 327.ca at 5:45 AM on February 1, 2005


Excuse me, but that's incorrect. Yes, individual Canadians joined the American forces to fight there. But Canada did not send troops to Vietnam.

Sorry, I got confused by the Kos post. What I should have said was that Canada -- as a matter of policy -- did not support the war, although some individual Canadians did (and do now in Iraq). We're both right that troops were not sent.
posted by 327.ca at 5:47 AM on February 1, 2005


From cardboard's CBC link of Fox's rebuttal:

Vicious attack on Fox News by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, totally out of any kind of bounds," said O'Reilly in his response Friday night to the Fifth Estate broadcast on Jan. 26.

I think I'm going to be sick.

BTW, has anyone seen the episode in question of the Fifth Estate? Nice piece. The episode was called 'sticks and stones' if you happen to be able to find it anywhere...
posted by jikel_morten at 5:48 AM on February 1, 2005


Ann Coulter is the lipstick... on the pig that is Fox News.
posted by lobstah at 5:50 AM on February 1, 2005


327.ca We have the CBC so that there's an alternative to crap like Fox (which, by the way, is poised to enter the Canadian market.)

It's already here on digital cable (at least in parts of southern ontario).
posted by jikel_morten at 5:51 AM on February 1, 2005


Canada didn't "officially" send troops to Vietnam, like Iraq - I think that's where the misunderstanding is.
posted by disgruntled at 5:52 AM on February 1, 2005


Gotta go with jikel_morten there. Fox's spin makes me sick. People in America actually buy stuch stuff?
posted by slf at 5:55 AM on February 1, 2005


Here's a good overview of Canada's position on Vietnam.

I like this part:
Canada tried to play a mediator role to help reach a conclusion that could allow the U.S. to honorably leave the conflict that prime minister of Canada Lester Bowles Pearson thought was a horrible mistake.

As the war escalated, relations between the two nations deteriorated. The lowest point was in April 2, 1965 when Pearson gave a speech at Temple University in the United States which called for a reduction in the bombing of North Vietnam. A furious Lyndon B. Johnson met with Pearson and apparently grabbed the much smaller Canadian by the collar and held him against the wall, and yelled, "you don't come here and piss on my rug."
posted by 327.ca at 5:55 AM on February 1, 2005


How about this one, biffa? Is this Christian enough for you?

"Let's say I go out every night, I meet a guy and have sex with him. Good for me. I'm not married."
-- Ann Coulter, Rivera Live, June 7, 2000


I'm afraid that your comment bears very little relevance to my question, which asked about nofundy's implied link between drinking, smoking and being unchristian. I made no reference to Ann Coulter's moral positions.
To clarify things further I would point out that Christian churches tend to be generally against the behaviour described in your Coulter quote whilst churches representing a highly significant number of Christians have no such position on smoking and drinking, and tacitly approve of same. Thus your attempt to draw a parallel between the issues is worthless.
posted by biffa at 6:03 AM on February 1, 2005


CHOMSKY:
".... Canada doesn't care at all about the latter; Canada has a horrible record in that respect. For example, take Suharto's Indonesia, which is a brutal, murderous state. I think Canada was supporting it all the way through because it was making money out of the situation. And we can go around the world. Canada strongly supported the US invasion of South Vietnam, of the whole of Indochina. In fact Canada became the per capita largest war exporter, trying to make as much money as it could from the murder of people in Indochina. In fact, I'd suggest that you look back at the comment by a well known and respected Canadian diplomat, I think his name was John Hughes, some years ago, who defined what he called the Canadian idea, namely "we uphold our principles but we find a way around them". Well, that's pretty accurate. And Canada is not unique in this respect, maybe a little more hypocritical."

http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/19990416.htm
posted by disgruntled at 6:07 AM on February 1, 2005


Is there anything particularly unchristian about smoking and drinking?
Depends upon your "brand" of christianity.

Fuck nofundy, ad hominem much?

Only when they are low life shit-for-brains lying gutter sluts like Annthrax. Oops! I did it again!
posted by nofundy at 6:09 AM on February 1, 2005


I think part of her problem, besides the obvious, is that she's just not a very good writer. I mean, her paragraphs don't flow, there's no coming full-circle with her logic - I don't know how she's been elevated to the position that she has with such poor writing skills.

moooshy, ann coulter is a frigging genius. of course she can't write or form a cogent opinion. she knows that: it's why she doesn't even try. ann is selling is validation. she's the barbie doll blond with the peggy sue morality who tells low-self-esteem republicans that all those negative things they think about others so that they can feel better about themselves are right and shared by all us cheerleaders.

best selling author, widely subscribed columnist, TV appearances.. ann has got it going on.

and i imagine she is smart enought to know exactly what she's doing and she's laughing all the way to the bank.

laughing at those dumb ass republicans.
posted by three blind mice at 6:12 AM on February 1, 2005


Fox's spin makes me sick. People in America actually buy such stuff?

They already bought it. People point to Fox News as some propaganda machine, but it isn't one in the traditional sense. It doesn't change opinions-- it merely reinforces opinions. There's a large subsection of Americans who love war and military action because they're impressed by muscle-flexing and hate liberalism because they see it as effeminate and/or threatening. Fox News just massages them. If Fox News changed their agenda to a more centrist stance tomorrow, the people that watch it wouldn't change their views. They'd just complain about how the "liberal media" had taken over "their" channel.
posted by Mayor Curley at 6:14 AM on February 1, 2005


A furious Lyndon B. Johnson ... held him against the wall, and yelled, "you don't come here and piss on my rug."

"Every time a rug is micturated upon in this fair country, I have to compensate the person?"
posted by Mayor Curley at 6:16 AM on February 1, 2005


I'd hit it.
posted by swift at 6:22 AM on February 1, 2005


I like that she was trying to correct a Canadian journalist on a Canadian show about Canada's role in Vietnam.

Coulter: "Indochina?"

Indochina in this context is pretty much the same thing as the Vietnam War, so no.
posted by kirkaracha at 6:23 AM on February 1, 2005


".... Canada doesn't care at all about [...] And Canada is not unique in this respect, maybe a little more hypocritical."

Well, there's the "Canada" of official government policy, the "Canada" of our domestic armaments industry, the "Canada" of the social democrat tradition, and the "Canada" of right-wing nutbars. Which one is Chomsky talking about?

Regardless of our country's official actions toward Vietnam (which I don't know enough about to criticise or defend), the prevailing mood here was strongly against the war.
posted by 327.ca at 6:27 AM on February 1, 2005


Fox's spin makes me sick. People in America actually buy such stuff?

Just wait. You're going to be amazed/depressed how quickly and deeply Canadians suck down the kool-aid.
Is the FauxNews that is coming into Canada "localized" at all? Or is it the US feed?
posted by Thorzdad at 6:31 AM on February 1, 2005


what the Mayor said. also, Coulter gets her facts so wrong so often -- the Internets are full of sites correcting Coulter mistakes -- that this doesn't surprise anymore.
I'd actually be surprised if she got the data right for a change.

but she's not about crunching data, she's never been.
she's always been about appealing to her wingnuts audience cesspool of hate on a gastrointestinal level
posted by matteo at 6:38 AM on February 1, 2005


It's the pure US feed as far as I could tell.

I only saw a few hour of it, but one of the moments that stood out the most was during one of their 2 minute news briefs, as the newsreader goes to commercial she says something along the lines of 'Your watching Fox News, THE most fair and balanced blah blah blah.' I know 'fair and balanced' is their mantra, but the way it was said could have easily passed as parody, as it was said with such conviction.
posted by jikel_morten at 6:41 AM on February 1, 2005


Coulter's from New Canaan? That explains everything. She does this all out of sheer boredom. I spent a year in that town one month.
posted by jonmc at 6:46 AM on February 1, 2005


matteo
...the Internets are full of sites correcting Coulter mistakes

But, unfortunately, I think those sites preach only to the converted.
posted by jikel_morten at 6:56 AM on February 1, 2005


The odd thing is, I've known my share of Republicans, including members of my own family at various times, but I've never met an Ann Coulter fan. When I worked in a bookstore, we stocked her titles, but I never saw anyone buy one, and I saw people buy all kinds of crazy shit.

She's on TV and making money, so somebody's gotta be supporting her. But just who are these fans of hers?
posted by jonmc at 7:00 AM on February 1, 2005


The only video I really want to see of Ann Coulter anymore is the one where a hyena has its jaws clamped around her throat. I'd pay hard cash for that.
posted by QuestionableSwami at 7:03 AM on February 1, 2005


“The dogmatic propagandist must therefore be consistently dogmatic. All his statements are made without qualification. There are no grays in his picture of the world; everything is either diabolically black or celestially white... He must never admit that he might be wrong or that people with a different point of view might be even partially right. Opponents should not be argued with; they should be attacked, shouted down…”

-- Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited
posted by wadefranklin at 7:08 AM on February 1, 2005


What I should have said was that Canada -- as a matter of policy -- did not support the war, although some individual Canadians did (and do now in Iraq)

If only we could convince (or compel) some of the "Bush was right about invading Iraq" LGF keyboard commandos to put their asses on the line by enlisting.

I'd hit it.

swift, you'd have to put a flag over her face so it was considered a patriotic act.

Only when they are low life shit-for-brains lying gutter sluts like Annthrax. Oops! I did it again!

LOL. nofundy, at least you're consistent.
posted by jperkins at 7:08 AM on February 1, 2005


she's always been about appealing to her wingnuts audience cesspool of hate on a gastrointestinal level

The only video I really want to see of Ann Coulter anymore is the one where a hyena has its jaws clamped around her throat.

low life shit-for-brains lying gutter sluts like Annthrax

Where's the Coulter shit vomit video?

Kinda figures that the "hottie" for the wingers would be a guy in drag.

posted by trharlan at 7:08 AM on February 1, 2005


This is what happens when she's on a real news station, not FOX. When I watch FOX I feel like half the comments made need to be fact-checked.
posted by xammerboy at 7:09 AM on February 1, 2005


When I worked in a bookstore, we stocked her titles, but I never saw anyone buy one

They were probably embarrassed and slipped the book under a porn magazine.
posted by pracowity at 7:10 AM on February 1, 2005


"They were probably embarrassed and slipped the book under a porn magazine."

"Let me have one of those porno magazines... large box of condoms... a bottle of Old Harper... a couple of those panty shields... an Ann Coulter book, and one of those disposable enemas. Eh, make it two."
posted by mr_crash_davis at 7:18 AM on February 1, 2005


I haven't read that book in so many years - good recall wadefranklin.

Was that in the chapter "Propaganda Under a Dictatorship" or "Propaganda Under a Democracy"?
posted by NinjaPirate at 7:23 AM on February 1, 2005


pracowcity, crash: Heh. But I have seen people buy Limbaugh, Howard Stern, The Turner Diaries, and The Unabomber Manifesto.

But no Coulter. Being more embarassing than that bunch is an accomplishment. Or something.
posted by jonmc at 7:24 AM on February 1, 2005


Then maybe they get her in plain brown wrappers in the mail.

[By the way, I don't live in America, so maybe this is old and I have no idea, but is any rapper calling himself "Plain Brown Rapper" yet?]
posted by pracowity at 7:29 AM on February 1, 2005


A furious Lyndon B. Johnson ... held him against the wall, and yelled, "you don't come here and piss on my rug."

LBJ = the Dude?
posted by mr.marx at 7:33 AM on February 1, 2005


"you don't come here and piss on my rug."

If only The Dude had had such stones.
posted by ackptui at 7:37 AM on February 1, 2005


Canada strongly supported the US invasion of South Vietnam

Chomsky tends to exagerate, which hurts his arguement that none of us have the moral high ground.
posted by tranquileye at 7:47 AM on February 1, 2005


I find that the popularity of Coulter, O'Reilly, et al really speaks most about the horrid state of education in this country. (the USA, that is)

*Kids do not learn how to think.*

They just learn how to memorize useless facts and regurgitate them on command, with virtually no time spent on actual cognative skills or analysis. They don't learn how to think logically, and that's how the flaming pundits (on both sides, but the right is far more blatant about it) get away with things.

Coulter's rhetoric SOUNDS good, but has virtually no logical grounding. She's great at making sweeping statements, and of building unfalsifiable arguments. And people who don't understand logic seem to believe that unfalsifiable == correct. Your debator cannot strike down what you said, therefore you win, and thus your argument must be correct.

It's a depressingly effective strategy. I hold special emnity for Coulter, however, because of her absolutely shameless, deceptive tendency to take quotes \ facts out of context. I once perused the first chapter of one of her books, and just off the top of my head, I spotted three or four quotes which she had taken wildly out of context. (for example, she blasts a democratic senator for "praising" Bin Laden by talking about how much money he gives to Islamic charities. Problem being it was a senate discussion of "why do they hate us?" and the senator in question was attempting an answer to "Why do the Muslims support Bin Laden?")

But, of course, only a tiny percentage of people would either remember the event offhand or bother to look up the senate record for themselves. Thus, if they're overly credulous, they believe a little more that the liberals really DO hate America and are, of course, then more likely to take anything else she says at face value.

It's a vicious, manipulative circle. It disturbs me greatly. And if we could just get some actual LEARNING going on in schools - as opposed to memorizing - we could get rid of it.
posted by InnocentBystander at 7:55 AM on February 1, 2005


we looked in her old yearbook, and lo, there she is

PLEASE scan and post that somewhere (other than MeFi) and let me know where I can go to view it. Please? My dart board begs you.
posted by terrapin at 7:56 AM on February 1, 2005


The odd thing is, I've known my share of Republicans, including members of my own family at various times, but I've never met an Ann Coulter fan. When I worked in a bookstore, we stocked her titles, but I never saw anyone buy one, and I saw people buy all kinds of crazy shit.

If only I were so lucky. My brilliant engineer uncle - raging Republican - referred to her as both smart and pretty, and proudly told me he owns a couple of her books.

We don't talk much anymore...
posted by kableh at 8:02 AM on February 1, 2005


mr_crash_davis,

I dunno what kind of night you have planned but leave me out of it....
posted by slapshot57 at 8:02 AM on February 1, 2005


I would love to see a Pop-Up Pundit TV show. This could either be a recorded show where two pundits debate freely, but upon being aired the debate is full of those Pop Up Video bubbles with fact checking and context information. Or the show could be a weekly round-up of punditry, complete with the pop-ups.

The show would be non-partisan and could include segments of Great Moments in Punditry (as Read by Children) from the Daily Show.
posted by robocop is bleeding at 8:03 AM on February 1, 2005


I find that the popularity of Coulter, O'Reilly, et al really speaks most about the horrid state of education in this country. (the USA, that is)

Y'know, while I detest Limbaugh and O'Reilly's politics, I can more or less grok why someone might find them entertaining. Limbaugh works that choo-choo charley stuffed shirt thing well enough to appeal to those who dig that. And O'Reilley's show is a bit like WWF in that you just sit there waithing for the moment when he's gonna hit somebody with a folding chair.

Coulter just comes across as a mean-spirited know-it-all, and even if you agree with her politics (which I most definitely don't) that's gotta be off-putting.
posted by jonmc at 8:04 AM on February 1, 2005


that's a great idea, but there wouldn't be enough room on the screen.
posted by amberglow at 8:05 AM on February 1, 2005


jonmc - Oh sure, I occasionally tune in to them for entertainment value. The problem is there are far too many people who BELIEVE them. And actually think they make coherent arguments, simply because they lack the logical skills to see the holes in what they say.
posted by InnocentBystander at 8:07 AM on February 1, 2005


I'd hit it, too.

With a 2 x 4.
posted by kcds at 8:12 AM on February 1, 2005


jonmc - Oh sure, I occasionally tune in to them for entertainment value. The problem is there are far too many people who BELIEVE them.

Oh, I know that the woods are full of assholes. I remember sitting in the TV room at college listening to some shit-for-brains tell me that I was being unfair to then-gubernatorial-candidate David Duke by "judging him on his past."

But I can only imagine that a thoughtful conservative like William F. Buckley or George Will, say, must cringe when Coulter opens her yap the same way I cringe at ANSWER.
posted by jonmc at 8:14 AM on February 1, 2005


Ann, you ignorant slut.
posted by clockworkjoe at 8:18 AM on February 1, 2005


The great thing about this video is that, now that it's out, no one will ever listen to or buy her books again...

And someday, many years from now, Ann will announce that her experiment is over and she will now share the information she's gathered over the years with her new liberal friends. (apparently she has liberal friends now, and gay ones - a fact that baffles me).

Someday liberals everywhere will be honoring her for her long-term service and sacrifice in the trenches. And when she dies she will be remembered along the likes of Andy Kaufman and Andy Warhol.
Ms. Coulter, we never saw ya winking...
posted by hellbient at 8:22 AM on February 1, 2005


Stop debating with her and start laughing at her.

My sense is that she thrives on hate. If we could all agree to mock and patronize her as the Right Wing Zsa Zsa Gabor she might curl up and die like a salted snail.
posted by Secret Life of Gravy at 8:23 AM on February 1, 2005


NinjaPirate - the Huxley quote is from the chapter Propaganda Under a Dictatorship. Sometimes I have the feeling that Limbaugh, Coulter, et. al. have all read it and taken its lessons to heart.
posted by wadefranklin at 8:25 AM on February 1, 2005


Was anyone still waiting for proof that Coulter and her cronies don't let silly things like facts get in the way of their spewing?
posted by Blubble at 8:26 AM on February 1, 2005


If we could all agree to mock and patronize her as the Right Wing Zsa Zsa Gabor she might curl up and die like a salted snail.

Heh! Well put...
posted by 327.ca at 8:35 AM on February 1, 2005


Fox's spin makes me sick. People in America actually buy stuch stuff?

The importance of Fox News is vasty overstated. Fox News is a niche market that's not very popular.

From casual googling:

On a normal, boring day, Fox News might get 3 million viewers for the whole day.

The evening national news on NBC + ABC + CBS, the liberal media as Fox might call it, gets around 30 million.

I can't quickly find daily numbers, but NPR's Morning Edition and All Things Considered, which Fox might call flaming commies, get around 20 million listeners weekly, and are the second and third most popular radio shows in the US.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 8:36 AM on February 1, 2005


"Let me have one of those porno magazines... large box of condoms... a bottle of Old Harper... a couple of those panty shields... an Ann Coulter book, and one of those disposable enemas. Eh, make it two."

I don't know what kind of night you've got planned, Mr. Crash, but count me out.
posted by delmoi at 8:54 AM on February 1, 2005


Jonmc, that's cause everyone's coming into my store to by them. Also, I loved the "spent a year there one month," line.
posted by drezdn at 8:57 AM on February 1, 2005


referred to her as both smart and pretty

I sometimes feel conflicted about which I feel worse about: that people buy her books, or that they think that emaciated hag is pretty.
posted by psmealey at 9:01 AM on February 1, 2005


I dunno what kind of night you have planned but leave me out of it....

slapshot57 and delmoi, clearly crash spent last evening with his never returned rental tape of American Grafitti.
posted by quonsar at 9:06 AM on February 1, 2005


Pointing out the television foibles of someone who belongs to the opposite political persuasion as you is really pretty dumb. "Ha, ha. Look at them." Grow up.
posted by Captaintripps at 9:09 AM on February 1, 2005


Hey Crash, do you suppose the guy in that scene would have nailed the kid on the booze or the Coulter book?

"Coulter? get the fuck out of my store you freak!!!!"
posted by j.p. Hung at 9:11 AM on February 1, 2005


ROU_Xenophobe, you're comparing cable news to broadcast, which is a valid comparison... but the real amazing numbers are comparing cable news to cable news.

For example, note the following numbers [via TVNewser. Granted, this is about the big ra-ra day for the right.

Fox News received the biggest ratings bump from coverage of the Iraqi elections, according to Nielsen data from Sunday. It was a huge international story, but CNN never cracked the million viewer mark on Sunday night, an insider noted.

Total viewers, total day: FNC: 1,367,000 / CNN: 599,000 / MSNBC: 218,000

Total viewers, primetime: FNC: 1,950,000 / CNN: 718,000 / MSNBC: 243,000

Fox News peaked at noon on Sunday with 2,516,000 viewers, more than doubling CNN.

posted by melt away at 9:18 AM on February 1, 2005


I would love to see one thread about Coulter without one of you little baby boys not saying I'd hit it. That shit is so fucking tired.
posted by Divine_Wino at 9:21 AM on February 1, 2005


...or that they think that emaciated hag is pretty

Compared to Phylis Schaffly she's kinda hot. In that drunk-just-been-dumped-by-your-bitchy-sorority-blonde-girlfriend-gonna-take-revenge-angry-grudge-fuck kind of way.

Maybe the Germans have word for that?
posted by tkchrist at 9:22 AM on February 1, 2005


Pointing out the television foibles of someone who belongs to the opposite political persuasion as you is really pretty dumb. "Ha, ha. Look at them." Grow up.

Well, captaintripps, I don't know that it's all just the politics. Many of us here will gladly sit through intelligent conservative commentary, even if we don't agree with it.

But Anne Coulter is a different beast. Quite frankly, I think she's political in the same way that Pat Robertson is religious which is to say not at all.

I see her as an ever-so-slightly more sophisticated version of the Morning Show Mooks who did the "Tsunami Song." Instead of getting her shock jollies from random spewing of racial epithets and dirty words, she uses hot button issues and invective.

Pissing in the punchbowl is fun when your a teenager, and even occasionaly as a grownup, but she's made a career of it, and it's boring at this point. I'd say let her dissipate like the fart in the wind she is, and in a year or so she'll join the likes of Sister Aimee Semple and Madelyn Murray O'Hare in the Whatever Became of That Old Cranks Dustbin?

But, I'll grant you, that we kick her around so much here, that I'm almost starting to feel a little sorry for the little dingbat. For that reason alone we must desist!!
posted by jonmc at 9:26 AM on February 1, 2005


Wow that was incoherent, I don't know if I hate Ann Coulter or immature, insecure misogynists more, but I know which one is still gonna be around in a hundred years.
posted by Divine_Wino at 9:29 AM on February 1, 2005


The Dude was a pacifist, like Smokey, man. All the Dude ever wanted was his rug back.
posted by jsavimbi at 9:29 AM on February 1, 2005


I'd hit it.

memo to self, never eat lunch and read another comment Swift says.

Thanks man, I just busted out laughing and food went all over my screen.
posted by Hands of Manos at 9:32 AM on February 1, 2005


Said jonmc She's on TV and making money, so somebody's gotta be supporting her. But just who are these fans of hers?

White bigots. "Liberal" has become a code word--it's a catch-all epithet and is used as a synonym to mean black/ jewish/ muslim/ gay/ atheist/ latino/ environmentalist etc.--basically, anyone who wouldn't be able to join the KKK. Don't believe me? Take any one of Ann's diatribes and swap the word "liberal" for "faggot" or "nigger" or "kike" and you'll see what I mean. Liberal-Hating! It's the new fascism, and it's sweeping the nation.
posted by fandango_matt at 9:33 AM on February 1, 2005


Maybe the Germans have word for that?

Schadenficke?

posted by kirkaracha at 9:36 AM on February 1, 2005


Wow that was incoherent,

what was?

White bigots. "Liberal" has become a code word--it's a catch-all epithet....Liberal-Hating! It's the new fascism, and it's sweeping the nation.

I don't doubt that's who people who actually believe her bullshit are. I just don't think they're as plentiful as you think, even on the right. Like I said, I've known plenty of conservatives. I even spent a freaky afternoon overseeing a Bob Grant booksigning, but I have yet to meet an public Coulterite.
posted by jonmc at 9:37 AM on February 1, 2005


"facts are stupid things"Ronald Reagan
posted by hortense at 9:41 AM on February 1, 2005


Sorry Jonmc, My statement with the double negative about not liking when people say I'd hit it about Coulter was. My self correction got seperated by several comments. You remain in my eyes, as always, coherent.
posted by Divine_Wino at 9:41 AM on February 1, 2005


I think part of her problem, besides the obvious, is that she's just not a very good writer. I mean, her paragraphs don't flow, there's no coming full-circle with her logic - I don't know how she's been elevated to the position that she has with such poor writing skills.


The amazing thing is she was on law review in law school at the University of Michigan. How did she pull that off with her writing skills?
posted by gyc at 9:42 AM on February 1, 2005


"television foibles"? As pointed out above, she went on Canadian TV, and told a lie about Canadian history to a Canadian reporter. That's not a foible, that's unbelievably stupid arrogance.

Canada sent no troops to Vietnam, but individual Canadians did join the U.S. military.

Are you out there, Sgt. Sparky?

posted by Kirth Gerson at 9:43 AM on February 1, 2005


You remain in my eyes, as always, coherent.

Abba Zabba Zoom! Lays Potato Chips, Courage, Lays Potato Chips, Courage! Fershlugginer Potzrebie! Spare Change, mister?
posted by jonmc at 9:44 AM on February 1, 2005


Whee, another Ann Coulter thread to bash her around to absolutely no effect.

Does anything think she has anything to offer the political discourse in this country? No? Then why are we helping to propel her career by discussing her latest outrageous stupidity?

She's got no credibility but she's got long blond hair and ribs showing through her skin so I guess that's enough.

When you think Ann Coulter just replace her with Rush Limbaugh, same shit, different windbag carcass spewing it.
posted by fenriq at 9:44 AM on February 1, 2005


Wow that was incoherent,

what was?


I think he meant me. And he could tell all that from one post, too. Hire that man to find Osama! (Even though a dozen people have called Coutler a "slut" - I'm the woman hater? Go figure.)

And, for the record, I am a highly SECURE misogynist. Just ask my wife. Between beatings and cooking my turkey pot pie, of course. And don't get me started on that sexy little vixen Araina Huffington. The way she says "Prrreeedent Klin-TON"... Rrrr-ar!

I think Coulter actually does believe her own bullshit. Down deep maybe she has some subconscious tickle of truth. Perhaps, that's what was behind that odd little nervous spasm she used to have on Bill Maher. In short - she ain't hooked up right.

She is popular with the right because of her looks and age. Finally that have somebody who isn't an old puffy swollen angry white man.
posted by tkchrist at 9:55 AM on February 1, 2005


Anne is the MAN!
posted by HTuttle at 9:56 AM on February 1, 2005


A furious Lyndon B. Johnson met with Pearson and apparently grabbed the much smaller Canadian by the collar and held him against the wall, and yelled, "you don't come here and piss on my rug."

For the record: According to eyewitnesses quoted in Lawrence Martin's The Presidents and The Prime Ministers, LBJ actually physically lifted Pearson - a mild-mannered, bowtied, Nobel Peace Prize-winner - off the ground by his lapels. The dressing down occurred privately on a patio at Camp David, but Johnson was shouting so loudly that officials from both countries inside the house could hear every word of it.

With all due respect to Noam Chomsky, this is a pretty stark illustration of how difficult it is for Canada to exercise a wholly independent foreign policy. Chomsky's correct, though, that Canada's captains of industry are no less rapacious and amoral than their American counterparts. (A more recent example: Calgary's Talisman Energy, which pulled out of Sudan - where its petrodollars were more or less directly funding the Sudanese government's civil-war effort - only when faced with the beginnings of a public-relations disaster.)
posted by gompa at 9:58 AM on February 1, 2005


The Fox spin machine is already in action. [link to CBC report]

Ah, my. I don't know how that story reads for you US Americans, but for this Canadian it looks like a taunt. The juxtaposition of paragraphs shows a subtle Canadian sense of humour, mocking Fox by reporting what they've said, following it by a wry comment that is innocuous on its surface, but is actually a fairly cutting put-down.

Like British humour, I suspect the actual gist of it is pretty much inaccessible to most US Americans.
posted by five fresh fish at 10:01 AM on February 1, 2005


What three blind mice said.
posted by effwerd at 10:02 AM on February 1, 2005


tkchrist,
Once again I meant myself, not you. Cool your jets. I too find her attractive in an angry way, I just get tired of boys standing around demeaning women because they feel safe to do so (which I don't think you did).
posted by Divine_Wino at 10:03 AM on February 1, 2005


Her shelf life has to be running low. She markets herself the same way an actress does. I can't see her maintaining her position for more than 4 years total. Like Calista Flockhart.

You guys sure do pay a lot of attention to a person who has absolutely nothing to say or contribute.
posted by MillMan at 10:05 AM on February 1, 2005


Like British humour, I suspect the actual gist of it is pretty much inaccessible to most US Americans.

We laugh funny man pie in pants. Hahaha, big car.

Seriously, why do you hate America?
posted by eatitlive at 10:08 AM on February 1, 2005


jonmc: That's fine, but the long point of it is that knocking around an atrocious talking head about being an atrocious talking head is pretty much on the level with what that atrocious talking head wants. We all know what she is. We're all also human, so I know why it is felt that there's a need to point it out when she's a dingbat (or worse) on television. That doesn't keep me from thinking it's self-defeating and self-aggrandizing to point it out.

I'm sure it makes people feel better about themselves or their beliefs, but unless I'm totally misunderstanding my history the only gadfly to really be remembered was Socrates (and he was good at it).

Clearly I do not feel sorry for her, but I also fail to see the point when people point out the purposeful monstrosities of a different political (or punch bowl pissical) persuasion. It's quite obvious that the only reason Coulter has ever used was as the last six letters of her second-to-last book. Yet people respond to her each and every time.

On another note, my room mate and I have fathers on opposite sides of the political spectrum. His father sent us Coulter's "Treason" and my father sent us "What We've Lost" by Graydon Carter. Both sit next to each other on the bookshelf, unread, because reading that stuff is a waste of time.

Both books share some things in common. They are the same size. They have poor binding. They are not printed on acid-free paper. They will not last more than 30 years before deteriorating.
posted by Captaintripps at 10:10 AM on February 1, 2005


Just ask my wife. Between beatings and cooking my turkey pot pie, of course.

Dude, I'm shocked. The beef pot pies are far superior.
posted by jonmc at 10:11 AM on February 1, 2005


It's refreshing when a reporter actually knows his/her facts and has the backbone to (politely) shut down someone who's talking rot... as happens so rarely, as The Daily Howler's author documents..
posted by anthill at 10:15 AM on February 1, 2005


That doesn't keep me from thinking it's self-defeating and self-aggrandizing to point it out....It's quite obvious that the only reason Coulter has ever used was as the last six letters of her second-to-last book. Yet people respond to her each and every time.

Oh, I'm with you here. I think she pisses of liberals way more than she actually interests conservatives. I'm mainly commenting cause it's a slow day at work.
posted by jonmc at 10:15 AM on February 1, 2005


Whee, another Ann Coulter thread to bash her around to absolutely no effect.

Does anything think she has anything to offer the political discourse in this country? No? Then why are we helping to propel her career by discussing her latest outrageous stupidity?


For the comedic value of the thread, fenriq:

"Anne is the MAN!"

"I'd hit it."

"...With a 2 x 4."

"...you'd have to put a flag over her face so it was considered a patriotic act."

"Schadenficke?"

"Let me have one of those porno magazines... large box of condoms... a bottle of Old Harper... a couple of those panty shields... an Ann Coulter book, and one of those disposable enemas. Eh, make it two."

"Ann, you ignorant slut."

"Abba Zabba Zoom! Lays Potato Chips, Courage, Lays Potato Chips, Courage! Fershlugginer Potzrebie! Spare Change, mister?"


Cmon, this is the best thread I've read all morning.
posted by spiderwire at 10:17 AM on February 1, 2005


...Although the Israeli Psychic Poet thread's pretty good, too...
posted by spiderwire at 10:19 AM on February 1, 2005


I seem to have noticed that she has big tits.
posted by NewBornHippy at 10:22 AM on February 1, 2005


I don't understand why anyone cares what Coulter says.
posted by homunculus at 10:22 AM on February 1, 2005


No worries Divine. I wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole.
And no, I AM NOT BRAGGING! (I was just born that way)

I do think it's interesting that she trotted out as FOX's "Feminist" perspective. Now THAT's ironic.

Milman is right - they have all mostly peaked. These loud mouth cats are only good at bitching. Now that their side is fully in charge of the US blaming the left for everything rings hollow.

I am fairly conservative in many regards. And many like me find the Fox entourage of knuckleheads embarrassing. Let's just say Barry Goldwater would be rolling over in his grave. And if he were alive today he would be desperately scratching and clawing at the lid of his coffin.
posted by tkchrist at 10:22 AM on February 1, 2005


I seem to have noticed that she has big tits.

Well, she can afford 'em.
posted by jonmc at 10:25 AM on February 1, 2005


PS.

I've seen her in person. She has HUGE man hands with monstrously long creepy spider fingers. Couldn't get around that long enough to notice her tits. Which is way out of character for me. So that's how freaky it her alien ape hook hands are.
posted by tkchrist at 10:32 AM on February 1, 2005


"I just get tired of boys standing around demeaning women because they feel safe to do so..."

Demeaning Ann Coulter is demeaning a woman, not all women. Is insulting her using sexist language implicitly an endorsement of sexism? Possibly.

The way I see it, though, is that Ann Coulter's rhetoric is so beyond the pale of acceptability that I welcome any and every available means with which to demean her. That would include, for example, tying her up and pissing on her face.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 10:41 AM on February 1, 2005


Rumor is: she has a *mean* coke problem.
posted by bshort at 10:50 AM on February 1, 2005


"Fershlugginer Potzrebie!"

Ah jonny, you osmosed as much MAD as I did in the 70s, didn't you. :)

actually i think it's "potrzebie"

And remember, a coke problem is God's way of telling you that you make too much money.
posted by zoogleplex at 10:52 AM on February 1, 2005


...we can be like they are
Come on MeFi...don’t fear the Coulter
Baby take my (overly-large man) hand...don’t fear the Coulter
We’ll be able to lie...don’t fear the reaper
Baby I’m your neo-Con...


(MORE COWBELL!!!)
posted by Darkman at 10:54 AM on February 1, 2005


...tying her up and pissing on her face.

Now there must be a German word for that.
posted by jikel_morten at 10:54 AM on February 1, 2005


Damn, I forgot that last 'reaper'...
posted by Darkman at 10:55 AM on February 1, 2005


Ah jonny, you osmosed as much MAD as I did in the 70s, didn't you. :)

You have to ask? And if you can guess the origin of the rest, you win a prize.
posted by jonmc at 10:55 AM on February 1, 2005


...tying her up and pissing on her face.
Now there must be a German word for that.


Cabaret?
posted by Darkman at 10:56 AM on February 1, 2005


Does anything think she has anything to offer the political discourse in this country? No? Then why are we helping to propel her career by discussing her latest outrageous stupidity?

Fenriq, you are absolutely right. It is pointless and self-defeating. For my own part, I always feel a little bit dirty after participating in yet another MeFi Ann Coulter pile on. But like Homer who can't help picking at his enormous doughnut head, I can't help myself, it's just so sweet and tasty!
posted by psmealey at 10:59 AM on February 1, 2005


Shouldn't it be "Don't Fear the Freeper?"

And for maximum cowbell, always fall back on Mountain:

Freeper Pundit Queen
She's strident and mean
Freeper Pundit Queen
She always makes a scene

BONK BONK BONK BONK BONK BONK BONK BONK!


I'm winning a no-prize today, jonmc. You lost me after potrzebie.
posted by zoogleplex at 11:03 AM on February 1, 2005


And for maximum cowbell, always fall back on Mountain:

or War:

All the Freeps know the Ann Coulter
The Ann Coulter is a little meaner

The Ann Coulter thinks a little slower
Ann Coulter, is a real goer

Hey

Ann Coulter knows every Freep, yeah
Ann Coulter, gives me the creeps, yeah

Ann Coulter is fulla gas now
I can't get far from her too fast

BONKBONKBONK BONK BONK BONK BONKBONK BONKBONKBONK

posted by jonmc at 11:10 AM on February 1, 2005


never were we even close to supporting the US militarily

Well, now, that may be going a little far (if I can distract anyone from the Coulter-bashing for a moment). Victor Levant, in Quiet Complicity: Canadian Involvement in the Vietnam War (1986: Between the Lines, Toronto), says:
Canadian delegates engaged in espionage for the US Central Intelligence Agency and aided the covert introduction of American arms and personnel into South Vietnam while they spotted for US bombers over North Vietnam. Canadian commissioners shielded the US chemical defoliant program from public inquiry, parlayed American threats of expanded war to Hanoi, and penned the reports legitimating both the rupture of the Geneva Agreements and the US air war over North Vietnam. Ottawa would later assert that these actions were necessary to counter-balance the activities of the Eastern bloc countries with whom they shared membership on the truce commissions.

Canadian aid during the war went only to S Vietnam, $29 million 1950-75, routed through the Colombo Plan and the Canadian Red Cross. Although humanitarian in appearance, Canadian assistance was an integral part of the Free World Assistance Program, co-ordinated by the US Department of State with the International Security Office of the Pentagon as the point of contact. In the field, Canadian capital assistance was regulated by the US-RVN Health Defense Agreement and administered by the International Military Assistance Force Office in Saigon. On a number of occasions, Ottawa stopped the shipment of ecumenical medical relief to civilian victims of the war in North Vietnam.

At home. 500 firms sold $2.5 billion of war materiel (ammunition, napalm, aircraft engines and explosives) to the Pentagon. Another $10 billion in food, beverages, berets and boots for the troops was exported to the US, as well as nickel, copper, lead, brass and oil for shell casings, wiring, plate armor and military transport. In Canada unemployment fell to record low levels of 3.9%, the gross domestic product rose by 6% yearly, and capital expenditure expanded exponentially in manufacturing and mining as US firms invested more than $3 billion in Canada to offset shrinking domestic capacity as a result of the war. The herbicide "Agent Orange" was tested for use in Vietnam at CFB Gagetown, NB. US bomber pilots practiced carpet-bombing runs over Suffield, Alberta and North Battleford, Sask, before their tours of duty in SE Asia. And the results of the only successful peace initiative to Hanoi—that of Canadian diplomat Chester Ronning—would be kept from public knowledge in order not to harm official US-Canadian relations. Ten thousand young Canadian men fought in the US armed forces in the war. At the same time 20,000 American draft-dodgers and 12,000 army deserters found refuge in Canada.
(Quoted here.) So while no troops were sent, your implication that Canada was horrified by the whole thing and avoided getting its hands dirty is incorrect.
posted by languagehat at 11:37 AM on February 1, 2005


languagehat -

Excellent post.
posted by tkchrist at 11:40 AM on February 1, 2005


Its nice seeing Ann Coulter squirm.

the video i watched was rather short on squirming, in fact it seemed totally devoid of apparent discomfort.

What's even more telling is her inability or refusal to back down even when she is dead wrong.

i beleive she said "I think you are wrong" a couple of times. i saw no evidence presented in the clip to support either viewpoint, only opposing assertions, so i quite fail to grasp how you saw inability or refusal to back down "when dead wrong" in that clip.

i was sooooo disappointed.
posted by quonsar at 11:49 AM on February 1, 2005


spiderwire, as long as there's a point to the thread.

And while I agree, the CoulterFilter posts are starting to get a little old and the comments are getting a little predictable. But there are some nice new ones in here.

I wonder if she trolls the 'Net looking for people who are outraged by her stupidity?
posted by fenriq at 12:00 PM on February 1, 2005


Oh, and welcome back, quonsar.
posted by fenriq at 12:01 PM on February 1, 2005


Before the election I happened upon CSPAN coverage of Ann Coulter speaking at Stanford(?). A U.S. flag was pinned to the wall behind her and she was lecturing a classroom full of twenty somethings. I can't remember a word she said, but the sound of people yelling outside the lecture hall managed to filter into the audio. I assumed it was some form of protest. I watched a little longer to see if I could pick up a reaction to the intruding noise in her face. Nothing. Then, the flag starts coming off the wall. It slumps, wounded and unrecognizable behind her. Some of the students start murmuring and Ann looks confused. She glances over at the flag, still desperately clinging to the wall. Then for just one moment, right before she resumed speaking I swear she squirmed. Did anyone else see this?
posted by lazymonster at 12:13 PM on February 1, 2005


Metafilter: BONKBONKBONK BONK BONK BONK BONKBONK BONKBONKBONK
posted by sonofsamiam at 12:19 PM on February 1, 2005


*squeegees screen* ROFL!

Wish I didn't have to work, I could go on with lyrics all day...

But that would be more rudely derailing than what's gone on already. Please resume.
posted by zoogleplex at 12:46 PM on February 1, 2005


you can see the whole CBC doc here.
posted by alfredogarcia at 1:47 PM on February 1, 2005


quonsar:"i beleive she said "I think you are wrong" a couple of times. i saw no evidence presented in the clip to support either viewpoint, only opposing assertions, so i quite fail to grasp how you saw inability or refusal to back down "when dead wrong" in that clip."

Taken in the context of history, she is dead wrong. No clip is an island. 'Real life' provides the evidence.

Taken in the context of the interview, her 'I think you are wrong' statements constitute not backing down.

However, yes, a distinct lack of squirmage. She doesn't strike me as the squirming type - too brittle. She's more the 'deny everything no matter how many ridiculous facts you have to invent to save face' model.
posted by cosmonik at 1:55 PM on February 1, 2005


Ann Coulter: makes even our flag peel right off the walls ; >
posted by amberglow at 1:57 PM on February 1, 2005


Can't believe after language hat's comment this thread keeps pancaking itself.
posted by thomcatspike at 2:01 PM on February 1, 2005


Whoa-oh! Ann Coulter! Bam-ba-lam!
Whoa-oh! Ann Coulter! Bam-ba-lam!
She's gotta brain like spam! Bam-ba-lam!
Says Canucks went to Nam! Bam-ba-lam!
Whatchoo talkin' 'bout Ann? Bam-ba-Lam!
Whoa-oh! Ann Coulter! Bam-ba-lam!


BONK BONK BONK BONK BONK BONK BONK BONK!

(with apologies to Ram Jam)
posted by Darkman at 2:01 PM on February 1, 2005


I think it was Richard Belzer that called her a "Fascist Party Doll". It's funny because it's true.
posted by psmealey at 2:03 PM on February 1, 2005


I rarely watch Fox and don't take much of what comes out of Coulter's or O'Reilly's mouths seriously. The entertainment value I derive from the three has to do with imagining the reaction they produce from far left viewers. Maybe I give them to much credit but I figure they couldn't possibly believe that what they are saying is the absolute truth (same goes for a lot of what I see on the network news and CNN). I figure it is all scripted with the goal of getting an emotional reaction from the viewer.
posted by Carbolic at 2:05 PM on February 1, 2005


Can't believe after language hat's comment this thread keeps pancaking itself.

But it's a Coulter-bashing thread, not a 'Did Canada have involvement in Vietnam?' thread. That's, like, a whole other thread.
posted by cosmonik at 2:06 PM on February 1, 2005


I love watching this stuff get on the CBC. Man, I just love the CBC. That and the LCBO (liquor) are the best things the government does in my neck of the woods.

God bless the United States of Canada!


By the way, the Canadian government's goal in life is to get as close to the United States as possible while still pretending to hate it, so that the voting population (which hates America) will continue to vote for the government. It is pretty awesome.
posted by Kleptophoria! at 3:09 PM on February 1, 2005


I think it was Richard Belzer that called her a "Fascist Party Doll".

I want me a fascist party doll,
To go on TV and snip and squall,
To be cryptofascist,and unfair,
wil big fake tits and bleach blond hair.

Be my litle fascist party doll,
Be my litle fascist party doll,
Be my litle fascist party doll,
and Mefi will bash you, bash you
and Mefi will bash you


(sorry no BONKs forthcoming, song needs more cowbell)

apologies to Buddy Knox.
posted by jonmc at 3:30 PM on February 1, 2005


Reading the transcript, I kept imagining Bob Cole's voice instead of Bob McKeown's. I kept waiting for the "Holy mackerel!" Man, I miss hockey.

On the plus side, Bob McKeown did play centre for the Rough Riders in the Grey Cup.
posted by DrJohnEvans at 4:55 PM on February 1, 2005


Bob McKeown is my hero.

I miss hockey too, though.
posted by blacklite at 4:59 PM on February 1, 2005


so that the voting population (which hates America) will continue to vote for the government

I dunno, I think the main goal of the Canadian government is to remain close with the US while still managing to maintain a mind of it's own. Quite an accomplishment imho.

I'm not buying the hate part. Canadians like to talk about how life in Canada is different from the US in certain ways but see above.
posted by scheptech at 5:17 PM on February 1, 2005


Taken in the context of history, she is dead wrong.

possibly, see languagehat.

No clip is an island. 'Real life' provides the evidence.

the clip is, however, the subject of the post. history, facts, truth - none of those is the subject of the post. the content of the clip was misrepresented by the poster.
posted by quonsar at 7:02 PM on February 1, 2005


Quonsar: It's pretty common knowledge in Canada (where the clip aired) that Canada never sent troops to Vietnam, so the clip kind of speaks for itself. (I'm not going to pretend that we're the Land of Saints (far from, there are some pretty shameful chapters in Canadian history that we don't like to talk about much and really should learn more about in school), but c'mon, Lester B. Pearson invented peacekeeping.)

Also, I love the part of the CBC.ca story where they say that Fox News called the Globe and Mail "far-left newspaper." I know it's trite, but I actually L-ed OL.
posted by SoftRain at 7:23 PM on February 1, 2005


14. Ann Coulter, columnist

Pro:
Flattering position would silence her exposing of the true evil liberal agenda
Con: Is composed entirely of spiders and deadly snakes writhing beneath a latex "skin" ...
posted by odinsdream at 7:25 PM on February 1, 2005


"Fox News called the Globe and Mail 'far-left newspaper.'"

You're kidding me. Did they read it?
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 10:18 PM on February 1, 2005


Canada, Fuck Yeah!
posted by Smedleyman at 1:13 PM on February 3, 2005


Well ok Ann doesn't know much about history YET he quotes history she doesn't know about..she didn't make a minor error, yet the relevance of error is questionable as she wasn't badtalking canadians (I guess)

The problem is, the error will be framed conveniently as a minor error and any reaction to the fact she spoke some nonsense will be framed as an act of from "hateful liberal"..whoever is still paying attention to her wants to listen about how bad liberuls are and how good they are.

Rather then concentrating on how ignorant she may be or not be, one should rather expose how much hatred for dissenting american she has got and how much does the "culture" of hate damage nations.
posted by elpapacito at 9:14 AM on February 4, 2005


Now there must be a German word for that.

Or Japanese, even more likely.
posted by abcde at 2:09 PM on February 15, 2005


Yeah: karma.
posted by Ethereal Bligh at 11:41 PM on February 15, 2005


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