Morrissey
April 13, 2005 10:21 AM Subscribe
I was just gonna pop in with a "crucify him! crucify him!" and leave everybody to their business, but if you insist I can rant away. your call.
posted by jonmc at 10:28 AM on April 13, 2005
posted by jonmc at 10:28 AM on April 13, 2005
Morrissey for Pope!
The crowd chants, "Me-xi-co! Me-xi-co!" in an attempt to get the singer to acknowledge that the majority of the audience is Latino. He does. "I’m going to sing a couple of more songs," he tells them, "then all of you can go back to Mexicali."
And the Yuma Convention Center explodes.
Only one white man in the world—and he’s not the pope—can tell a group of Mexicans in the United States to return to Mexico and not only avert death, but be loved for saying so.
posted by pieisexactlythree at 11:00 AM on April 13, 2005
The crowd chants, "Me-xi-co! Me-xi-co!" in an attempt to get the singer to acknowledge that the majority of the audience is Latino. He does. "I’m going to sing a couple of more songs," he tells them, "then all of you can go back to Mexicali."
And the Yuma Convention Center explodes.
Only one white man in the world—and he’s not the pope—can tell a group of Mexicans in the United States to return to Mexico and not only avert death, but be loved for saying so.
posted by pieisexactlythree at 11:00 AM on April 13, 2005
It's also worth noting that there is a Bruce Springsteen symposium coming up.
posted by cmonkey at 11:23 AM on April 13, 2005
posted by cmonkey at 11:23 AM on April 13, 2005
I really liked the Believer essay, thanks. I had no idea about his Latino fan base. It seems strangely counter-intuitive, but is well explained by the article.
The academic stuff just seems like wanking, which doesn't mean I think it's wrong. I just think it's more interesting to those engaged in it than to those watching.
posted by OmieWise at 11:29 AM on April 13, 2005
The academic stuff just seems like wanking, which doesn't mean I think it's wrong. I just think it's more interesting to those engaged in it than to those watching.
posted by OmieWise at 11:29 AM on April 13, 2005
I love Viva Hate. Love it love it love it. I loved it when I went out and bought the record because Angela Ford wore a Morrissey tshirt to high school in 1988(9?) and I loved it playing on my ipod on the way to work this morning. I love the Smiths plenty too, but I'm going on record saying that his first solo recording went farther.
You spoke in silhouette but they couldn't name you
posted by n9 at 11:41 AM on April 13, 2005
You spoke in silhouette but they couldn't name you
posted by n9 at 11:41 AM on April 13, 2005
"crucify him! crucify him!"
The academic stuff just seems like wanking
I think "Moz" would approve of the sentiment in both cases.
posted by pieisexactlythree at 11:45 AM on April 13, 2005
The academic stuff just seems like wanking
I think "Moz" would approve of the sentiment in both cases.
posted by pieisexactlythree at 11:45 AM on April 13, 2005
I'm actually fairly sure that any meeting between me and Mr. Moz would be a stalemate of mutual disgust, but I applaud the thought, pieisexactlythree.
posted by jonmc at 11:47 AM on April 13, 2005
posted by jonmc at 11:47 AM on April 13, 2005
Your're probably right jonmc
(and let me say, I'm pleased to finally make your acquaintance, Morrissey fan though I am!)
posted by pieisexactlythree at 12:15 PM on April 13, 2005
(and let me say, I'm pleased to finally make your acquaintance, Morrissey fan though I am!)
posted by pieisexactlythree at 12:15 PM on April 13, 2005
All music threads eventually devolve into a discussion about jonmc - in this case, it only took one comment. Which I guess is the best that we can do... unless someone decides to namecheck him in a FPP about how Bon Jovi sucks.
posted by Jart at 12:17 PM on April 13, 2005
posted by Jart at 12:17 PM on April 13, 2005
jonmc has become the defacto mefi musicfilter godwin?
posted by shoepal at 12:25 PM on April 13, 2005
posted by shoepal at 12:25 PM on April 13, 2005
Gustavo Arellano sure does milk that anecdote! It's word-for-word in a 2002 article from the OC Weekly.
posted by kenko at 12:26 PM on April 13, 2005
posted by kenko at 12:26 PM on April 13, 2005
pleased to meet you, too, and by all means keep talking about Morissey, I'm not going to stop you. And just to correct, I like real Metal, not hair metal. I just wanted to crack the "crucify him," joke, which any Catholic should get.
Carry on.
posted by jonmc at 12:28 PM on April 13, 2005
Carry on.
posted by jonmc at 12:28 PM on April 13, 2005
Sounds like an excuse for Smiths fans to gush about The Smiths. Wankery? Certainly, but I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't want to sit in on it.
The Smiths were, by their own definition, a pop group. I can imagine Marr being opposed to this idea. But Moz? He's just as likely to condemn the idea in one interview as he is to praise it in another. It's nearly impossible to tell where he stands on any particular subject.
Erm. Anyone pick up the new Morrissey live CD and DVD? The DVD was wonderful (especially I Know It's Gonna Happen Someday and Jack The Ripper); made me regret not seeing him live even more. The music on the CD seemed sort of canned. But god, that voice...
posted by kryptondog at 3:05 PM on April 13, 2005
The Smiths were, by their own definition, a pop group. I can imagine Marr being opposed to this idea. But Moz? He's just as likely to condemn the idea in one interview as he is to praise it in another. It's nearly impossible to tell where he stands on any particular subject.
Erm. Anyone pick up the new Morrissey live CD and DVD? The DVD was wonderful (especially I Know It's Gonna Happen Someday and Jack The Ripper); made me regret not seeing him live even more. The music on the CD seemed sort of canned. But god, that voice...
posted by kryptondog at 3:05 PM on April 13, 2005
First thing i thought when i saw this thread was jon mcs gonnae turn up with his air guitar........he does a mighty air guitar by the way .....the thing is , morrissey and the smiths never really penetrated down to the lower east side , it was all stryper and saxon when john grew up on those mean streets , so ye cannae fault him.
posted by sgt.serenity at 3:08 PM on April 13, 2005
posted by sgt.serenity at 3:08 PM on April 13, 2005
heh.
truth be told, I wasn't gonna say anything till I saw my name in the first comment and I didn't want to disappoint those who wanted the ritual Morrissey bash to satisy the angry gods. And truth be told I don't hate Morissey or his fans, I just never got what the big deal was.
posted by jonmc at 3:37 PM on April 13, 2005
truth be told, I wasn't gonna say anything till I saw my name in the first comment and I didn't want to disappoint those who wanted the ritual Morrissey bash to satisy the angry gods. And truth be told I don't hate Morissey or his fans, I just never got what the big deal was.
posted by jonmc at 3:37 PM on April 13, 2005
There are college courses dedicated to Madonna & Michael Jackson, so why not?
And truth be told I don't hate Morissey or his fans, I just never got what the big deal was.
Smart & funny lyrics, innovative textural guitar work, a knack for portraying teenage years as both drab & romantic, an effort to doing something different when they could have just "conformed" and been punks...
For those elements alone, I'm surprised you never got into them.
posted by dhoyt at 4:24 PM on April 13, 2005
And truth be told I don't hate Morissey or his fans, I just never got what the big deal was.
Smart & funny lyrics, innovative textural guitar work, a knack for portraying teenage years as both drab & romantic, an effort to doing something different when they could have just "conformed" and been punks...
For those elements alone, I'm surprised you never got into them.
posted by dhoyt at 4:24 PM on April 13, 2005
Smart & funny lyrics, innovative textural guitar work, a knack for portraying teenage years as both drab & romantic, an effort to doing something different when they could have just "conformed" and been punks...
You're talkin' about Megadeth, right?
posted by bradth27 at 6:10 PM on April 13, 2005
You're talkin' about Megadeth, right?
posted by bradth27 at 6:10 PM on April 13, 2005
No , Anthrax.
posted by sgt.serenity at 7:51 PM on April 13, 2005
posted by sgt.serenity at 7:51 PM on April 13, 2005
jonmc has become the defacto mefi musicfilter godwin?
Tempted to disagree and say jonmc is the bevets of music threads, but Mayor Curley's comment in this thread really tells it like it is.
posted by juiceCake at 8:40 PM on April 13, 2005
Tempted to disagree and say jonmc is the bevets of music threads, but Mayor Curley's comment in this thread really tells it like it is.
posted by juiceCake at 8:40 PM on April 13, 2005
The Smiths were alone in that they appeared to have no antecedents. Like the Gang of Four in the Seventies, they were completely non-derivative. You couldn't listen to The Smiths and say to yourself: I know what these guys have been listening to; I know where this music comes from.
Sometimes I miss reading stuff like this, just for a laugh. The sort of thing you could say only if you were completely unfamiliar with the sort of things that Marr listened to and appreciated, but pretend that you're familiar with it anyway.
And derivative is the name of the game in arts (and the market I hear) is it not? Shakespeare for example...
posted by juiceCake at 8:49 PM on April 13, 2005
Sometimes I miss reading stuff like this, just for a laugh. The sort of thing you could say only if you were completely unfamiliar with the sort of things that Marr listened to and appreciated, but pretend that you're familiar with it anyway.
And derivative is the name of the game in arts (and the market I hear) is it not? Shakespeare for example...
posted by juiceCake at 8:49 PM on April 13, 2005
my favorite moz story is something(bit hazy) along the lines of johnny rogan approaches a friend of morrissey's to request an interview for his biography of the smiths. friend calls morrissey to see if that's ok. morrissey sends friend one postcard a day until together they make up the sentence 'i leave it up to your own conscience'. i'm sure there's some sort of hermeneutic/deconstruction essay in that.
posted by recklessbrother at 10:06 PM on April 13, 2005
posted by recklessbrother at 10:06 PM on April 13, 2005
My favourite Moz story is the one where he doesn't release any records after The Smiths broke up.
posted by bunglin jones at 11:45 PM on April 13, 2005
posted by bunglin jones at 11:45 PM on April 13, 2005
Nearly got to see Moz at Glasto last year. Was tripping and just saw Belle and Sebastian who had blown my mind with their happy festival vibes. Got to Morissey and my girlfriend started to whitey... said there was too much mud.
I reckon Morissey just brought her down. So I had to walk her back up to the tent, missing the whole gig :-(
His new stuffs not the best, but the Smiths... amazing!
posted by twistedonion at 8:01 AM on April 14, 2005
I reckon Morissey just brought her down. So I had to walk her back up to the tent, missing the whole gig :-(
His new stuffs not the best, but the Smiths... amazing!
posted by twistedonion at 8:01 AM on April 14, 2005
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