Wake the dead
June 20, 2005 7:41 PM Subscribe
Lot's and lot's of apostrophe catastrophe's.
posted by Armitage Shanks at 8:01 PM on June 20, 2005
posted by Armitage Shanks at 8:01 PM on June 20, 2005
Who are these "smart countries" laughing at us and why aren't we bombing them?
posted by ColdChef at 8:06 PM on June 20, 2005
posted by ColdChef at 8:06 PM on June 20, 2005
I'm glad I stayed until the 3rd frame, or else I wouldn't know what the word "Lie" meant.
posted by Blue Buddha at 8:17 PM on June 20, 2005
posted by Blue Buddha at 8:17 PM on June 20, 2005
Gee, but DU loved it and it's got pancakes!!
And how come it's the first PNAC tag ever? Fishy.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 8:31 PM on June 20, 2005
And how come it's the first PNAC tag ever? Fishy.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 8:31 PM on June 20, 2005
Maybe Germany, where recently a "TV show depicts 9/11 as Bush plot" ?
If all the questions had ever been answered (Philly Daily News), there wouldn't be continuing questions and theories. And don't forget, Bush never even wanted an investigation at all, and made sure that the scope was limited.
Meanwhile, while they lied to us and told us the air was safe to breathe, Where Time Is Stopped at Sept. 11(about the about to be demolished Deutsche Bank Bldg) tells us of ...Demolition has since been delayed as the scope of needed environmental safeguards and contaminant cleanup has grown. Consultants to the corporation have confirmed that the tower has excessive levels of asbestos, dioxin, lead, silica, quartz, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, chromium and manganese. ...
posted by amberglow at 8:45 PM on June 20, 2005
If all the questions had ever been answered (Philly Daily News), there wouldn't be continuing questions and theories. And don't forget, Bush never even wanted an investigation at all, and made sure that the scope was limited.
Meanwhile, while they lied to us and told us the air was safe to breathe, Where Time Is Stopped at Sept. 11(about the about to be demolished Deutsche Bank Bldg) tells us of ...Demolition has since been delayed as the scope of needed environmental safeguards and contaminant cleanup has grown. Consultants to the corporation have confirmed that the tower has excessive levels of asbestos, dioxin, lead, silica, quartz, polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, chromium and manganese. ...
posted by amberglow at 8:45 PM on June 20, 2005
*yawn*
posted by NickDouglas at 9:24 PM on June 20, 2005
posted by NickDouglas at 9:24 PM on June 20, 2005
Call me pedantic, but if they can't get the name of their culprit right (it's Control Demolition, not "Controlled Demolition")...
Maybe they're just not good at details?
posted by bugmuncher at 9:37 PM on June 20, 2005
Maybe they're just not good at details?
posted by bugmuncher at 9:37 PM on June 20, 2005
So what are these "Laws of Thermal Dynamics"? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?
posted by wezlee at 9:58 PM on June 20, 2005
posted by wezlee at 9:58 PM on June 20, 2005
Thermal dynamics is a well-known set of fashion industry "laws" about how garish, or "loud," the pattern on a set of undergarments and/or sleepwear (especially, of course, thermal underwear) may get before it turns from fashion into outright performance art.
Glad you asked.
(I like how the instant beatdown from "23skidoo" had to do with "2 out of 3." That made the whole thing worthwhile.)
..23 is everywhere...
posted by soyjoy at 10:59 PM on June 20, 2005
Glad you asked.
(I like how the instant beatdown from "23skidoo" had to do with "2 out of 3." That made the whole thing worthwhile.)
..23 is everywhere...
posted by soyjoy at 10:59 PM on June 20, 2005
Uh, I don't think so. Even the earnest rock song can't convince me that the government intentionally collapsed the WTC.
Oh wait, it's a joke right?
posted by gallois at 11:21 PM on June 20, 2005
Oh wait, it's a joke right?
posted by gallois at 11:21 PM on June 20, 2005
Did Larry Silverstein really admit that WTC7 was blown up? That's pretty damning, but I'd like to hear it from a more reputable source that a funked up flash presentation.
Little things like that that haven't been followed up. Interesting. Like the massive spike in options trading on American Airlines just prior to 9/11. Who made money on those deals? Have names been named?
And don't get me started on the Pentagon flash presentation from a while ago!
posted by uncanny hengeman at 11:25 PM on June 20, 2005
Little things like that that haven't been followed up. Interesting. Like the massive spike in options trading on American Airlines just prior to 9/11. Who made money on those deals? Have names been named?
And don't get me started on the Pentagon flash presentation from a while ago!
posted by uncanny hengeman at 11:25 PM on June 20, 2005
Way before 9/11 I remember seeing the aftermath of some Russian apartment buildings that had been blown up by terrorists. Not long after, I heard tinfoil hat rumours that the Ruskies did it to their own people so as to have an excuse to start a war with Chechnya.
And I'm like "No way!" and the tinfoil hat dude is like "Way!"
I don't know what to believe any more.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 1:09 AM on June 21, 2005
And I'm like "No way!" and the tinfoil hat dude is like "Way!"
I don't know what to believe any more.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 1:09 AM on June 21, 2005
amberglow: Maybe Germany, where recently a "TV show depicts 9/11 as Bush plot" ?
I realize this might be a bit of a derail, but as a German I feel I have to comment on that utterly stupid article.
I have watched the show in question. It was, as the (for a TV show generally excellent) "Tatort" standards go, stupid.
But the plot revolved around a woman who claimed to know of a conspiracy plot. The viewer never knew whether she was right or just lunatic, or making it up to protect herself from prosecution in another crime. There were events that seemed to be in favor of her theory, others were not.
In fact, the last scene, while still leaving the truth open, insinuates more than anything else that the woman was actually at least sympathetic to the terrorists, and used the confusion created by herself to escape the police... which would imply the opposite of a "bush plot".
The whole thing was a bad attempt gone worse at widening the local scope of the show to international plots. But they took care to not display any conspiracy theories as truth or even as credible.
Also I'd like to see some statistics about how many Americans believe the moon landing was fake. The unsupported claim the Washington Times makes that many Germans believe it to be fabricated seems pretty bullshit. In fact, after 30 years, I only learned from American websites that there even are people who believe this crap.
posted by uncle harold at 2:24 AM on June 21, 2005
I realize this might be a bit of a derail, but as a German I feel I have to comment on that utterly stupid article.
I have watched the show in question. It was, as the (for a TV show generally excellent) "Tatort" standards go, stupid.
But the plot revolved around a woman who claimed to know of a conspiracy plot. The viewer never knew whether she was right or just lunatic, or making it up to protect herself from prosecution in another crime. There were events that seemed to be in favor of her theory, others were not.
In fact, the last scene, while still leaving the truth open, insinuates more than anything else that the woman was actually at least sympathetic to the terrorists, and used the confusion created by herself to escape the police... which would imply the opposite of a "bush plot".
The whole thing was a bad attempt gone worse at widening the local scope of the show to international plots. But they took care to not display any conspiracy theories as truth or even as credible.
Also I'd like to see some statistics about how many Americans believe the moon landing was fake. The unsupported claim the Washington Times makes that many Germans believe it to be fabricated seems pretty bullshit. In fact, after 30 years, I only learned from American websites that there even are people who believe this crap.
posted by uncle harold at 2:24 AM on June 21, 2005
It was portrayed here very differently (Euro-bashing probably), uncle. The only thing i'd say is that we've also seen a lot of coverage of French documentaries and books and stuff that allege the same thing.
...The moon-hoax show claimed that 20 percent of Americans have doubts about whether we ever really went (apparently up from the 6 percent that a 1999 Gallup poll identified). ...
What also feeds into all this is Osama Bin Forgotten, which we're all being reminded of due to the Downing Street Papers. No more "dead or alive"--only 6 months after 9/11, and they were already only interested in Iraq.
posted by amberglow at 5:54 AM on June 21, 2005
...The moon-hoax show claimed that 20 percent of Americans have doubts about whether we ever really went (apparently up from the 6 percent that a 1999 Gallup poll identified). ...
What also feeds into all this is Osama Bin Forgotten, which we're all being reminded of due to the Downing Street Papers. No more "dead or alive"--only 6 months after 9/11, and they were already only interested in Iraq.
posted by amberglow at 5:54 AM on June 21, 2005
The video asks how come the Networks didn't show this particular angle of the WTC collapse.
If you were to look in the bottom right corner of their video, you'd see the Fox 5 News logo, the local Fox affiliate in NYC.
posted by unsupervised at 6:58 AM on June 21, 2005
If you were to look in the bottom right corner of their video, you'd see the Fox 5 News logo, the local Fox affiliate in NYC.
posted by unsupervised at 6:58 AM on June 21, 2005
Has anyone seen any supposed conspiracy theory focusing on the plausible connection between the real estate valuation implications of the proposed NY Olympic site? Any chance Silverstein could benefit from the Olympics being in NYC? Any chance that the Trade Center's removal could have made the chances better that the Olympics would happen in NYC? Hmm...
posted by tatochip at 9:29 AM on June 21, 2005
posted by tatochip at 9:29 AM on June 21, 2005
What none of these conspiracy theorists explain is the massive amount of ordinance that would have to be smuggled into the two towers of the WTC and then placed. Furthermore, the collapses occur near the floors where each plane flew into its respective tower.
There is no way that those pilots would have been able to gauge which floor they were targeting except by consulting altitude instrumentation, which plan would have been detailed in the files discovered in the pilots' rooms.
A much more plausible conspiracy theory is that certain key members of the administration knew full well of the attack which was to occur on 9/11, but did not (all of them) deduce the consequences of the planes' impacts.
Whatever.
posted by mistersquid at 12:02 PM on June 21, 2005
There is no way that those pilots would have been able to gauge which floor they were targeting except by consulting altitude instrumentation, which plan would have been detailed in the files discovered in the pilots' rooms.
A much more plausible conspiracy theory is that certain key members of the administration knew full well of the attack which was to occur on 9/11, but did not (all of them) deduce the consequences of the planes' impacts.
Whatever.
posted by mistersquid at 12:02 PM on June 21, 2005
What none of these conspiracy theorists explain is the massive amount of ordinance that would have to be smuggled into the two towers of the WTC and then placed. Furthermore, the collapses occur near the floors where each plane flew into its respective tower.
Agreed, this is what I find utterly implausible.
But then, why did Number 7 collapse in the same fashion? No planes were flown into it... and how did they smuggle the massive amounts of ordinance into that tower?
posted by chaz at 12:13 PM on June 21, 2005
Agreed, this is what I find utterly implausible.
But then, why did Number 7 collapse in the same fashion? No planes were flown into it... and how did they smuggle the massive amounts of ordinance into that tower?
posted by chaz at 12:13 PM on June 21, 2005
But then, why did Number 7 collapse in the same fashion? No planes were flown into it... and how did they smuggle the massive amounts of ordinance into that tower?
Zackly! If it's so improbable how did it happen? Plus we have Mr Silverstein admitting it, apparently.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 4:52 PM on June 21, 2005
Zackly! If it's so improbable how did it happen? Plus we have Mr Silverstein admitting it, apparently.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 4:52 PM on June 21, 2005
That sucked so hard. No wonder the good guys are losing.
posted by nanojath at 10:35 PM on June 22, 2005
posted by nanojath at 10:35 PM on June 22, 2005
Whoa ... ok, how about a former Bushco bad guy saying the same thing?
posted by If I Had An Anus at 2:19 PM on June 24, 2005
posted by If I Had An Anus at 2:19 PM on June 24, 2005
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posted by scarabic at 7:59 PM on June 20, 2005