Sharon to quit, form own party
November 20, 2005 9:13 PM   Subscribe

Sharon to quit, form own party Sharon threatens to quit own party, Israelis, jews, human beings rejoice.
posted by mk1gti (56 comments total)
 
Opinion much?
posted by metaculpa at 9:22 PM on November 20, 2005


Errr...if he forms a center-right party (with shimon peres as his loser-lackey) that blunts amir peretzes ability to win the next election then why should we rejoice?

I hope the divide-and conquer thing works in Labors favor, but I think god's gonna piss in everyones teapot again.
posted by lalochezia at 9:23 PM on November 20, 2005


The best kind of shrill editorializing is incredibly shortsighted shrill editorializing.
posted by Krrrlson at 9:34 PM on November 20, 2005


So did he quit or threaten to quit? Because from your comment, it looks like you didn't read the article either way. Also, 29.4% of Israelis, be they Jews and/or Human beings may disagree with your assessment of their feelings.
posted by loquax at 9:34 PM on November 20, 2005


A+++++ would form coalition with The Bull again!
posted by Mr T at 9:37 PM on November 20, 2005


It's moments like this that I miss jenleigh.
posted by Cyrano at 9:39 PM on November 20, 2005


It's going to be called the Spherical Baby Eating Party.
posted by interrobang at 9:44 PM on November 20, 2005


Is this Metafilter or Fark?
posted by handshake at 9:47 PM on November 20, 2005


Krrrlson writes " The best kind of shrill editorializing is incredibly shortsighted shrill editorializing."

I prefer the politically naive, woefully uninformed shrill editorializing, myself.
posted by mr_roboto at 9:48 PM on November 20, 2005


Seriously, the only way you can get as fat as Sharon is to eat the tender, juicy flesh of Palestinean children. Their diets are high in essential sands, and Sharon knows this.
posted by interrobang at 9:53 PM on November 20, 2005


My personal feeling about this is that Israel and the world at large has had enough of Sharon and Netanyahu and hopefully this is something that will lead to the end of the Israeli far right. But of course, that is yet to be decided. Tune in next week when . . .
posted by mk1gti at 9:56 PM on November 20, 2005


the world at large has had enough of Sharon and Netanyahu

Good thing we'll all be voting in their next election, when you'll be able to pick from either of them! With Sharon leading Likud in the polls, look forward to a new Netanyahu-Sharon coalition for the next few years.
posted by loquax at 10:03 PM on November 20, 2005


Does this mean he has really given up on the goal of a Greater Isreal? Or is he merely disagreeing with the Likud party's tactics on how to achieve it?
posted by dopeypanda at 10:11 PM on November 20, 2005


interrobang,

Your comment about Jews eating children is racist and has a long history. I'm embarrassed for you.
posted by xammerboy at 10:20 PM on November 20, 2005


I was totally, totally, totally, serious, xammerboy. I stand corrected.
posted by interrobang at 10:23 PM on November 20, 2005


xammerboy
I agree on that one, equating Sharon with jews is like equating Hitler with all germans (he was in fact Austrian) or Stalin with all russians or Pol Pot with all Cambodians. An individual does not represent a people. I hope everyone remembers this when they throw stones and hit innocent others. . .
posted by mk1gti at 10:27 PM on November 20, 2005


equating Sharon with jews is like equating Hitler with all germans

You mean Israelis right? I'm pretty sure the Jewish people in my neighbourhood who immigrated from Russia and Poland have as much to do with Sharon being F├╝hrer as you do.
posted by loquax at 10:33 PM on November 20, 2005


?!? Holy shit!
I mean come on. If Sharon wanted to eat Palesitnan babies he would be more forthcomeing with economic aid to fatten them up.
posted by Mr T at 10:39 PM on November 20, 2005


Stalin was Georgian, not Russian. At times he did what he could to play at Greater Russia sympathies. At times, he had everyone shot.

But the analogy (Sharon - Hitler) is a shitty one on many levels.
posted by bardic at 10:43 PM on November 20, 2005


I can't believe Interrobang said that incredibly wack shit. I'm offended. I'm so incredibly, totally fucking offended. I'm feeling a little fucking peckish. I'm hungry. I'm really, really fucking hungry.

*tears into a gourmet sampler platter of babies from around the world*

Hey, these Palestinian ones are pretty good, but I think the best ones are the Indian kids. Spicy.
posted by loquacious at 10:48 PM on November 20, 2005


I am overwhelmed by the insight, depth and passion which moved you to make this post. Truly poster, you have enriched my life today. I see the problems facing the Middle East with a newfound clarity. I applaud you for the moral courage with which you have addressed the problems of people quite different from yourself. Indeed, I think I speak for all MetaFilter when I say we wait with bated breath to see how you will challenge us next.

Bravo, sir. Bravo.
posted by felix betachat at 10:53 PM on November 20, 2005


Well, this might be a shit post, but at least I learned that Jews do not actually murder gentile babies and use their blood to make matzo. I feel embarassed for myself.
posted by Falconetti at 10:54 PM on November 20, 2005


I totally, totally, totally thought you were serious interrobang. Oh, wait, no I didn't. I just thought you made an incredibly tasteless joke along the lines of "them niggahs shure likes the watermelons".
posted by xammerboy at 11:00 PM on November 20, 2005


This thread got weird fast.
posted by mr_roboto at 11:10 PM on November 20, 2005


I laughed. But I also agree with xammerboy.
posted by Tlogmer at 11:12 PM on November 20, 2005


Is it really racist if the person who makes the comment knows nothing about the history of blood libel against Jews? It seems more like a coincidence to me. I'm sure someone on MeFi has made a baby-eating joke about Cheney - I imagine interrobang's comments was more along those lines.
posted by mullacc at 11:22 PM on November 20, 2005


Wanders off to find smallest paper bag to hide teeny tiny head under . . .
posted by mk1gti at 11:23 PM on November 20, 2005


Oh come on, the man's fat. Characterizing "evil" fat people as baby-eaters has a long and varied history outside of anti-semitism as well, so assuming it was related to him being jewish isn't necessarily true. Heck, that was the first thing early Christians were accused of by Romans.
posted by nightchrome at 11:25 PM on November 20, 2005


"Israelis, jews, human beings rejoice."

/begins to shameless paraphrase Jon Stewart...

My fellow Mefites! Whether this post is bad or not is entirely irrelevant! Consider the italicised comment made in the original post text. It is a vision of hope for the future! I remember a time when Jews and Israelis wouldn't even be mentioned in the same group as human beings!
posted by Effigy2000 at 11:28 PM on November 20, 2005


To be fair, Sharon didn't get fat from eating Palestinian bablies. Those are merely rumors, and sandy kids don't really appeal to the man in that way.

He got his overnourishment from living off the fat of the land. Someone else's land, mind you...

"grab more hills, expand the territory. Everything that's grabbed, will be in our hands. Everything we don't grab will be in their hands." - Ariel Sharon, 1998
posted by insomnia_lj at 11:30 PM on November 20, 2005


I was sort of confused at the rejoicing thing. Kissinger famously said of Israel that it has no foreign policy, just domestic politics, and this seems entirely about politics, not about anything more meaningful.

So, are you rejoicing because of the likelihood of a right-wing coalition forming to opposed Sharon's party? Because Sharon has promised more withdrawals if elected? Because Labor will now swing heavily to the left? Or because this means that there will be no movement on anything diplomatic until the March elections? Enlightenment, please.
posted by blahblahblah at 11:35 PM on November 20, 2005


"I keep a text file of objectionable comments made by Israeli politicians on my desktop, and I deploy them indiscriminantly in any thread that mentions Israel or Palestine, however clumsy or tenuous the link. This is probably because I have a pathological agenda of 'exposing' Israel as the Fourth Reich. I am suspiciously mute on Palestinian calls for genocide, and (more broadly) other international atrocities. I am woefully afflicted by Israel monomania, so fashionable among the politically naive who fancy themselves the consciousness of the west and the guardians of righteousness." -- insomnia_lj, 2005.
posted by ori at 1:01 AM on November 21, 2005


"them niggahs shure likes the watermelons"

So let me see if I get this straight - parodying a stereotype to satire racism isn't OK, but parodying a stereotype of someone parodying a stereotype to illustrate the racism of parodying a stereotype to satire racism is OK?

Sorry, I just got a little dizzy.
posted by dgaicun at 1:43 AM on November 21, 2005


So...Does this get the Palestinians closer to having a legitimate nation-state, or not?

And the Prime Minister is asking for parliamentary elections, right? Is this a good move for the Knesset? What would new parliamentary elections mean for Israel?
posted by Colloquial Collision at 2:00 AM on November 21, 2005



via the ever-giving arms of b3ta
posted by NinjaPirate at 2:05 AM on November 21, 2005


I like the way jews, israelis and human beings are considered different categories. Nice rhetorical flourish.
posted by srboisvert at 2:28 AM on November 21, 2005


I wonder: is it possible to talk about Israeli politics without bringing up Hitler, baby eating, niggahs, Stalin, Elton John, and Fark?

No? Huh.
posted by milquetoast at 2:47 AM on November 21, 2005


No, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes.

HTH.
posted by Slithy_Tove at 2:55 AM on November 21, 2005


For the record, I'm not offended by Hitler, eating babies, niggahs, Stalin, or Elton John.
posted by Mikey-San at 3:32 AM on November 21, 2005


Angalia nyoke kubwa. Bebe wewe. Upesi. UPESI!

Apologies for the Swahili, but don't worry- it's about as comprehensible as the rest of the posts here.

P.S: Mahaba ni tongo.

That's Zulu.

I'm going to sleep now. Sleep. You hear me?
posted by malusmoriendumest at 4:20 AM on November 21, 2005


Sharon supports Judge Alito, who not only eats babies, but also rapes puppies.
posted by Captaintripps at 4:31 AM on November 21, 2005


Falconetti writes "at least I learned that Jews do not actually murder gentile babies and use their blood to make matzo. I feel embarassed for myself."

Duh! Matzos are white...what you're after is our delicious charoset. Gentile bloody good!
posted by Deathalicious at 4:41 AM on November 21, 2005


Sharon is a great man. A man of ideas and principles. Good on him.
posted by ParisParamus at 4:51 AM on November 21, 2005


Mefi is better than CNN.com when I need a quick update on the headlines.
posted by killdevil at 4:57 AM on November 21, 2005


Good Lord, this thread clearly shows the elitist heart of the Metafilter clique, don't it?

I want my five bucks back.
posted by Slap Incognito at 5:01 AM on November 21, 2005


Oh, yeah, and how long did it take this thread to Godwin to hell and back?
posted by Slap Incognito at 5:04 AM on November 21, 2005


Best of the web. Can we get back to talking about fat people?
posted by tpl1212 at 5:23 AM on November 21, 2005


HITLER! HITLER ALREADY!
posted by glenwood at 5:25 AM on November 21, 2005


Alright, I'll do it, but I'm not happy about it:

MetaFilter: Hitler, baby eating, niggahs, Stalin, Elton John, and Fark.
posted by nevercalm at 6:13 AM on November 21, 2005


Jesus, this is very poor, please stop the editorializing.

As someone who is closely linked to the fortunes of Israel (baali) I find this news neither good, nor bad.

Although he is undoubtably right wing, Sharon has alienated the far-right and (I believe) made some positive steps in the direction of peace.

While the population of Israel is so markedly split between those who want peace and those who are prepared to keep fighting for religeous reasons, any politician who moves too far from the center will be in big trouble, and could trigger a civil war.

(and Cyrano wins!)
posted by Blip at 6:23 AM on November 21, 2005


I don't know about baby eating, but Sharon certainly spherical.
posted by delmoi at 6:29 AM on November 21, 2005


Blessed are the peacemakers. Jesus is smiling upon you this day.
posted by fleener at 9:29 AM on November 21, 2005


Amusing as the thread has been there's not much comment on the development itself, which is a shame as I'd have thought it's quite significant.

- Sharon despite owing his position as the leader of a democracy to his long-time political allies has determined to set up a completely new party... Imagine if that happened in any other established democracy...

- Former advocate/leader of the settler movement, having already admitted that Israel cannot occupy the Palestinians indefinitely, Sharon then withdraws from the Gaza strip. Whatever nefarious plans for the West Bank you see in Sharon's actions or of the very real limitations to the freedom he's granted the Palestinians in Gaza, the evolution of his political stance has been incredible. And perhaps not really deserving of knee-jerk baby-eating jokes. Ok, fair enough, Sharon's culpability for the massacres at Shatila and Sabra make him fair game for it, but people can change... And more to the point when he is (potentially maybe, possibly) the instigator of long-term peace, does that kind of stuff add to anything except the self-satisfaction of distant partisans?

- Isn't the creation of a centre-right party free from the constraints of hard-right Likud nutjobs (sorry, couldn't help myself) something that anyone concerned for the peace process should consider to be potentially, a positive outcome? In a society as beholden to the religious right as Israel, perhaps the only viable source for a pragmatic peacemaker is a man such as Sharon; someone who has in the past been as hegemonic for Israel as anyone could be. Maybe only a man with that past can sell peace to his former fellow-travellers and create some kind of political consensus in favour of two-state peace.

No real idea - not particularly well informed - just interested in some analysis.
posted by pots at 11:16 AM on November 21, 2005


There is a long history of people eating Palestinian children, and this stereotype that they are tasty only contributes to baby eating. This is a myth and it is not true!
posted by iamck at 11:29 AM on November 21, 2005


Regarding Sharon and his past history, if he is stating he has everyone's best interests at heart I'll believe it when I see it. There just has been too much negative history from him where he has said one thing and then gone out and done another.

If he pulls it off an brings peace to Israel and Palestine, more power to him, but his past record is not a positive one.
posted by mk1gti at 2:04 PM on November 21, 2005


John Simpson
posted by pots at 3:38 PM on November 21, 2005


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