Suppressing Hippiedom Worldwide
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Anti-Hippie Action League
posted by dios (130 comments total)
 
Counter-Hippie tactics
posted by dios at 12:47 PM on February 28, 2006


What Hippies Are Good For
posted by dios at 12:49 PM on February 28, 2006


oh my!
posted by nomisxid at 12:52 PM on February 28, 2006


Their ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to their newsletter.
posted by keswick at 12:53 PM on February 28, 2006


I don't think Devo would approve.
posted by If I Had An Anus at 12:54 PM on February 28, 2006


I said I don't like hippies
And I don't like cornbread
And I don't like much
But I like you
'Cause you like me
And you don't like much
And that's okay
'Cause fat babies have no pride
posted by mr_crash_davis at 12:55 PM on February 28, 2006


Heh. But check out their About page:

We are a variously connected and interconnected group that come from all directions and interests, gathering here to produce and and display what, on the whole, looks like a disparate collection of artist offerings created in every possible vein. This collection of material can be viewed and considered any way you please, and if you find something of interest we'd love to talk about it with you. In fact, we're open to anyone's creative works, and encourage you to show us what you've got.

As a community, as a whole, devo dot com doesn't have any one opinion or viewpoint. We are a community of individuals-- we have no agenda. Our members own and are entirely responsible for whatever works they create and put on display here.


Sounds like a buncha hippies to me.
posted by Faint of Butt at 12:57 PM on February 28, 2006


Even if this wasn't stupid, isn't this about 35 years late?
posted by octothorpe at 12:57 PM on February 28, 2006


waitaminit, long hair, smokes a lot, an affinity for peace and free love, I think I might be a hippie! Whatever, where's my bong...
posted by jrb223 at 12:58 PM on February 28, 2006


Wow, someone went out of his way to construct an especially crap post.
posted by clevershark at 12:58 PM on February 28, 2006


Cut your hair you hippie.
posted by raedyn at 1:01 PM on February 28, 2006


Filthy Metahippies.
posted by unreason at 1:02 PM on February 28, 2006


Yay!!! Hippie bashing is fun!!!
posted by malaprohibita at 1:03 PM on February 28, 2006


Another day, another lame post!

Will attorney bashing be next? After all, that's just as predictable.
posted by ed at 1:05 PM on February 28, 2006


OK.
posted by teece at 1:07 PM on February 28, 2006


ed writes "Will attorney bashing be next?"

First kill all the lawyers.
posted by clevershark at 1:07 PM on February 28, 2006


Isn't this about 35 years late?

Actually, looks like about 6 or seven: "Now in the late 90's frat boys at colleges can be seen with Phish patches on their backpacks or in the window of their SUV's."

I still think it's funny, though, personally, even more so now that the target group in question has all but disappeared from the cultural landscape. It's like reading a crazy rant against Huguenots or something.
posted by whir at 1:08 PM on February 28, 2006



posted by If I Had An Anus at 1:08 PM on February 28, 2006


Apparently, hippies smell.


with their noses
posted by sonofsamiam at 1:09 PM on February 28, 2006


The lady doth protest too much, methinks?
posted by R. Mutt at 1:11 PM on February 28, 2006


I hate hippies. But you know what I hate more than hippies?

Hitler.
posted by Astro Zombie at 1:13 PM on February 28, 2006


Hippies suck and attorneys suck, but hippie attorneys do not suck.
posted by Skygazer at 1:15 PM on February 28, 2006


I vote +1 funny. Thanks dios.
posted by xmutex at 1:17 PM on February 28, 2006


that site is funny..
posted by Skygazer at 1:17 PM on February 28, 2006


Counter-Hippie Tactics

BOMB: Placement of a large explosive devise underneath the sound stage just prior to a hippie concert or festival should kill off enough longhairs to bring absolute contentment in life. Include nails and metal shreds for the added delight of flayed hippie skins.
DEFCON 1


Wow. Is that supposed to be amusing?
posted by rainman84 at 1:19 PM on February 28, 2006


Incredibly lame, in all capacities. This has no redeeming value, and the only perceived "content" would be construed as offensive, ignorant hate speech if you replaced "hippy" with anything else. What the fuck?
posted by prostyle at 1:21 PM on February 28, 2006


It's a good thing Dios is fighting for The Other.
posted by NationalKato at 1:24 PM on February 28, 2006


This site would be better if it was a 150+ PDF.
posted by bardic at 1:25 PM on February 28, 2006


Dios isn'tgood at metafilter.
posted by Space Coyote at 1:25 PM on February 28, 2006


MACHETE: Maniacal wielding of a large bladed weapon, inflicting injuries upon those who would get too close, is a highly effective method when encountering small to medium sized groups of hippies. Any amount of bloodletting will cause the non-injured to flee in terror or faint on the spot.
DEFCON 4, 3


Yikes. I hates me some hippies, but this just stopped being funny real fast.
posted by Gamblor at 1:25 PM on February 28, 2006


I hate hippies. Intensely. Actually, I hate them less as I get older, which I think is an unusual position.
posted by Mayor Curley at 1:29 PM on February 28, 2006


did somebody say voltron? look out tokyo, the tie-dye sisters are in town
posted by phaedon at 1:31 PM on February 28, 2006



posted by jack_mo at 1:31 PM on February 28, 2006


33 comments and no reference to Cartman. WTF?
posted by fungible at 1:37 PM on February 28, 2006


MACHETE: Maniacal wielding of a large bladed weapon, inflicting injuries upon those who would get too close, is a highly effective method when encountering small to medium sized groups of Jews. Any amount of bloodletting will cause the non-injured to flee in terror or faint on the spot.
DEFCON 4, 3


still funny?
posted by wakko at 1:38 PM on February 28, 2006


Anybody ever notice that, in their purest form, hippies and punks are all but indistinguishable from one another?
posted by Afroblanco at 1:40 PM on February 28, 2006


"Last update: 12/20/01"

And no post in the guestbook.
posted by iviken at 1:41 PM on February 28, 2006


would be construed as offensive, ignorant hate speech if you replaced "hippy" with anything else

Totally, if you replaced it with (say) black person, but not really if you replaced it with yuppy, jogger, or another category that people voluntarily put themselves into. The humor mostly comes from the fact that hippies are essentially harmless and peaceful, and juxtoposing that with captions like "A group of hippies, passing around an infant prior to its ritual consumption."

I agree that the machete-weilding, bomb-deploying stuff is not funny, though.
posted by whir at 1:42 PM on February 28, 2006


wielding, even
posted by whir at 1:43 PM on February 28, 2006


still funny?

Yes, but in a different way.
posted by aburd at 1:43 PM on February 28, 2006


Setting off bombs, running around with machetes... some lawyer could interpret Dios's posting of this item as constituting a terroristic threat, what with the US being what it is today.

To me, though, it's just shite.
posted by clevershark at 1:48 PM on February 28, 2006


Clevershark: You misspelled Shiite.
posted by The Bellman at 1:53 PM on February 28, 2006


You know, I went to the site, trying to figure out what it was that inspired the hatred, and I'm still mystified. So he hates frat boys with Phish stickers? Overweight women in tie-dye?

So I'll ask the hippie haters here--what is it that you hate about hippies? What is a hippie, to you?
posted by MrMoonPie at 1:54 PM on February 28, 2006


...yuppy, jogger, or another category that people voluntarily put themselves into.

You believe the stigma associated with these persons is self-inflicted, and therefore they have no right or grounds to decry such ridiculous diatribes as discriminatory? Because this isn't racist it's not as ignorant? Next time I'm exercising I'll be sure to keep a sharp-eye out for those health-nut lynchmobs roaming the streets; knowing full well I've brought their wrath upon myself by becoming a "jogger".
posted by prostyle at 1:55 PM on February 28, 2006


Poorly written, and pretty nonsensical.

And do you think the Dave Matthew's Band is on a small, independent music label?
This has to do with hippies HOW?

Now in the late 90's frat boys at colleges can be seen with Phish patches on their backpacks or in the window of their SUV's. That's progress for you. And hippies wonder why they are so ridiculed...

Hippies with SUVs? None that I know.

Is it supposed to be funny? Because it isn't.
posted by nuclear_soup at 1:58 PM on February 28, 2006


"I believe it's pronounced yog-ing."
posted by bardic at 1:59 PM on February 28, 2006


what's odd to me, is that many conservative square types (I'm expressly not calling you that, dios, I don't know you well enough) refer to anyone who looks vaguely 'unconventional,' or 'countercultural,' as a 'hippie,' even punks, most of whom would hit you if you called them one.

Just an observation from somebody who used to have longer than shouldr-length hair, but liked listening to songs about desecrating corpses at the time.
posted by jonmc at 2:00 PM on February 28, 2006


So I'll ask the hippie haters here--what is it that you hate about hippies? What is a hippie, to you?

I don't hate old-school hippies. Hell, you're talking to someone who listens to shit like Spirit, Love and Quicksilver Messenger Service often and enthusiastically. Neo-hippies drive me a little bats, though, mainly for their lack of originality, dippy belief that good vibes alone will save the world and need to make the simplest things all mystical and shit. The neo-hippie chicks get points for enthusiastic nudity, though.
posted by jonmc at 2:05 PM on February 28, 2006


Why post a site poorly done, when you can read a master ...
posted by Wulfgar! at 2:09 PM on February 28, 2006


You believe the stigma associated with these persons is self-inflicted, and therefore they have no right or grounds to decry such ridiculous diatribes as discriminatory?

No, what I meant is that I don't see this language as being on the same level as racist, anti-semitic, etc. hate speech. Obviously any actual hippies who read it and take it seriously might be offended by it, and I will defend their right to decry it to my dying breath. I just don't think the analogy of replacing "hippy" with "jew" holds.

I guess my bigger point was that it's just as likely that somebody actually really feels this level of intense, visceral hatred for joggers as it is that they feel that way about hippies. In other words, it's just a joke. A lot of people don't think it's funny, and that's OK.
posted by whir at 2:12 PM on February 28, 2006


The Anti-HippieMeFilter Action League was founded in 1995 with the express purpose of wiping longhairsMeFites off the face of the planet, by whatever means deemed appropriate. Society has for far too long neglected to stem the growth of hippie MeFite-culture and has thus remained ignorant of the degenerative effects. Common stereo-types of hippies MeFites being smelly, stoned, lazy and ugly looking prove consistantly true, but it is not enough to dissuade new youths from joining in. It is our mission to put an end to this societal plague before we all end up with ratty dreadlocks spectacular flame-outs.
posted by Gamblor at 2:12 PM on February 28, 2006


Hippies are ersatz hipsters. It's the definition of the word.

However, if you're talking about the myriad countercultures that became slapped with the label "hippie," such as The Diggers, the Meey Pranksters, and the Carnaby Street mods, well, then I think they're just groovy.
posted by Astro Zombie at 2:12 PM on February 28, 2006


Merry Pranksters.
posted by Astro Zombie at 2:13 PM on February 28, 2006


Isn't this about 35 years late?

Really. Hippies? Do you also hate flappers? What about greasers? Mods?
posted by youarenothere at 2:13 PM on February 28, 2006


Haters.
posted by obloquy at 2:13 PM on February 28, 2006


The best hippies I've ever met were from West Athens, Maine. I believe they started to move there as part of the "back to the land movement" ( though I could be wrong). Every year, they have one hell of a 4th of July parade. (The year I saw it, the main float was a recreation of the Unibomber's house.)

And BTW, what's so funny 'bout peace, love and understanding?
posted by R. Mutt at 2:18 PM on February 28, 2006


I hate hippies because they so often lack a sense of humor.
posted by monju_bosatsu at 2:18 PM on February 28, 2006


I'm a hippie more or less; suck it haters.
posted by jessamyn at 2:25 PM on February 28, 2006


Hippies don't listen to Alien Sex Fiend, jessamyn.
posted by jonmc at 2:29 PM on February 28, 2006


This one does.
posted by jessamyn at 2:33 PM on February 28, 2006


My farts smell like Pathchouli. And I lost my virginity while listening to Alien Sex Fiend.
posted by bardic at 2:37 PM on February 28, 2006


FYI - (since people here are so uptight so as to lack all humor) I did not post this in approval of the editorial content any more than I was approving the editorial content of feetmeat. Either you find the site funny or you don't. But you are gravely mistaken if you think I (or the site) are suppose to be advancing a serious critique of hippies.
posted by dios at 2:40 PM on February 28, 2006


Hippies Tend to Listen to what ever they want too.
Most I know in Oregon, listen to Jazz, Classical and Country on occasion.

Not to many Left though.
posted by Elim at 2:41 PM on February 28, 2006


FYI - (since people here are so uptight so as to lack all humor)

HAHAHAH Funniest thing I have read in a long time.
posted by Elim at 2:42 PM on February 28, 2006


I vote funny.
posted by Baby_Balrog at 2:45 PM on February 28, 2006


But I'm a yuppie. So. You know.
posted by Baby_Balrog at 2:45 PM on February 28, 2006


Everyone please stop talking about this tragically stupid post. It's embarrassing.
posted by recurve at 2:51 PM on February 28, 2006


Yipes. I can't believe that someone bothered to make that incredibly lame site, and that someone else then posted it.

As an attempt at parody it fails so miserably that some readers apparantly believe that it's serious. It's not, but it frikken sucks. I kept looking for something creative or original, but finally gave up.

Best of the web? Maybe ... if you were a hurmourless 12 years old, like, 40 years ago, man.
posted by PareidoliaticBoy at 2:52 PM on February 28, 2006


well, I've also seen you eat meat, jess, and you managed to hang out with me for god sake. They're just gonna have to yank your hippie cred, girl. sorry bout that.
posted by jonmc at 2:52 PM on February 28, 2006


The Lighter Side of Hippies?! Ha, they don't care whose toes they step on!
posted by sonofsamiam at 2:57 PM on February 28, 2006


I guess since I didn't pay for this, I can't return it, right?
posted by hototogisu at 3:04 PM on February 28, 2006


Anybody ever notice that, in their purest form, hippies and punks are all but indistinguishable from one another?

Ummm... no. I certainly never have noticed that.
posted by Decani at 3:17 PM on February 28, 2006


But you are gravely mistaken if you think I (or the site) are suppose to be advancing a serious critique of hippies.

Dios: Promoting fun-loving prejudice since '04!
posted by prostyle at 3:18 PM on February 28, 2006


"I hate aaardvarks"
posted by matteo at 3:29 PM on February 28, 2006


damn vowel hogs!
posted by jonmc at 3:30 PM on February 28, 2006


dios: I did not post this in approval of the editorial content

Nixon: I did not think [the $18,000 I stole] should be charged to the taxpayers of the United States.
posted by ed at 3:31 PM on February 28, 2006


Good point about this site being tantamount to advocating the terrorist killing of Jews, wakko. Very convincing. Never forget the 2000 years of hippie oppression and genocide.

I'd rather hang with fascists than hippies personally.
posted by Falconetti at 3:48 PM on February 28, 2006


dios writes "Either you find the site funny or you don't. But you are gravely mistaken if you think I (or the site) are suppose to be advancing a serious critique of hippies."

Don't worry, most of us don't think of you as capable of advancing a serious critique of anything outside a rigidly-defined argument of law, so you're off the hook.

Still, you gotta admit that this was a pretty crap post.
posted by clevershark at 4:14 PM on February 28, 2006


Hmmm, like many folks I thought hippies were gone. Even walking around the Haight, I see fewer and fewer all the time. Thanks for the link, dios, maybe this will spur a revival. Nothing like being hated intensely to gel a movement.
posted by telstar at 4:16 PM on February 28, 2006


Okay I will bite. Here is why I hate hippies and I will give you my defintion of hippies.

First if you've ever attended an actual protest which was put down violently, actually worked for the causes of peace, anti-poverty groups, homelessness, legal reform or other "hippie" ideals (especially as a volunteer and I mean for more than a few hours) I have no problem with. These people have enough brains and ambition to know that real work is always required to achieve growth.

I have a liberal arts degree, used to be an International Development worker, and at one time I was a card-carrying socialist (I am not American). I have not, and would not ever vote for a man of the character and substance of George Bush.

So the hippies and neo hippies I hate do the following things:

1) Codemn moderate political movements/people as "sell outs" at every turn. Other than criticize, fail to carry out any other action including voting because politicans are "corrupt" or because if you become more political you are in danger of becoming more powerful and then corrupt. Neglect your career, education and ability to provide for your family for the same reason. Blame all failures on some form of political opression such as classism, racism, or the "man" instead of a lack of ambition or skills.

Self Test: Before calling someone a "sell out" determine if you would trade paycheques with this person and examine your reasons for doing so.

2) Irresponsibly advocate drug use I've had once brilliant friends who smoked themselves retarded. Marijuana may not be tremendously harmful but its not exactly good for you.

3) Put foward a steadfast belief that love, peace, tolerance and negotiation are solutions to every international and local problem One, I have lived in countries which turned into total basket cases when otherwise honourable people decided they didn't care about the system and didn't want to engage it (fear of power=corruption again) or their lives were just too good and peaceful for them to be bothered. When this happens, you get taken over by foriegners, controlled by more radical extremists, or flat out killed. I've witnessed examples of all three. Put foward the belief that Hitler emerged because Germans didn't get hugged enough, or that your sense of idealism, good nature and high hopes will keep you alive in places where the infection rate of HIV/AIDS rounds off to 100% and has emergency room trauma rate comparable to a WW2 field hospital.

4) Stifle debate in an academic setting by relentlessly advocating a stance that the past 2000 years of history are irrelevant to you, because most of the decision makers were privledged white men. Assume none of the blame for the crimes even when you have benefitted from them through your parentage, and give none of the credit for the successes.

5) You've used being modern or sexually liberated as justification for breaking hearts.

6) Steal, vandalize, destroy, or use someone else's property because you don't believe they should have it. This includes parking your VW Bus/setting up camp wherever you damn well please.

7) Fail to acknowledge that the only reason a rock band signs to a record label is to sell more records. I can tell you, I never encountered even one person in Africa who said "Could you go home, and tell people to hold more benefit concerts".

There are more, and I have to admit I have in mind two self-described hippie friends who I am currently furious with.
posted by Deep Dish at 4:18 PM on February 28, 2006


I see you've had quite a bit of time to stew in your own brew there, Deep Dish. You better get a hold of your hippy friends and spill some blood before they forget what society is all about. Wouldn't want to waste all that perfectly good righteous indignation.
posted by prostyle at 4:23 PM on February 28, 2006


Yup, it's a hate site. Best of the web ?

Well then, by this precedent Neo-Nazi groups can start promoting their sites on Metafilter.

Howsabout......

"The anti _____ Action League was founded in 1995 with the express purpose of wiping longhairs off the face of the planet, by whatever means deemed appropriate."

That sounds like Aryan nation rhetoric to me. Sorry, but words have consequences. That's a hate site.

Hate speech is very often advanced by a the thin veneer of deniability afforded by "humor", as in:

"Group ______ should be wiped off the planet.....just kidding ! Hey, what's your problem, can't you take a joke ?......"

_________


"KILL THE HIPPIES FOR JESUS!
by Jonny Stiph




There is a scourge upon us at this moment in time. An evil that is beyond all hope for saving their souls. This evil must be put to an end. I refer my good friends to hippies! These smelly, Frisbee playing, dressed in the dark, pot smoking wastes of air. This is the beginning of the Armageddon......."

Hardy har har. Yuck yuck.

Yick.

Bad web design, questionable humor, ugly and hateful rhetoric.......

"So here it stands. I have justified bloodshed! There is no choice but to kill these evil "dead heads". .......Genocide is not nearly as hard as one would think. With a little elbow grease, hell you can kill off a whole sub-culture in a year or two.

....Now the task falls upon our heads. We are forced to take this matter to the point of martial law. So my brothers and sisters, grab your big pointy sticks and lets rampage these smelly long hairs. .....Go into the streets and kill them! ....We are running short on valuable time. The only way is bloody revolution."


Mein Fuhrer ! Mein Fuhrer !
posted by troutfishing at 4:26 PM on February 28, 2006


I knew you were a hippie, trout.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 4:31 PM on February 28, 2006


Deep Dish, come on. Number 5 says to me that you got dumped. And number 7? WTF? "Fail to acknowledge that the only reason a rock band signs to a record label is to sell more records." Oh, and by the way, there are several serious studies that show that Hitler emerged because Germans didn't get hugged enough. Check out For Your Own Good by Alice Miller.

You've spun out, my man.
posted by telstar at 4:31 PM on February 28, 2006


Yup, it's a hate site

Yup. And what's wrong with hate when you're hating something crap? That's righteous hate, dude. Hate gets a bad rap.
posted by Decani at 4:38 PM on February 28, 2006


Yup. And what's wrong with hate when you're hating something crap?

Not to mention, change 'hippies' to 'rednecks,' 'redstaters' or 'republicans,' (not that I'm any of those three) and a lot of the loudest complainers here would be cheering. and don't even bother trying to deny it.
posted by jonmc at 4:43 PM on February 28, 2006


This site was put together by the type of guy who goes to Oberlin and wonders why there's no Young Republican club. And can't get laid.
posted by bardic at 4:45 PM on February 28, 2006


Officer Barbrady: You can't just lock 63 people in your basement.
Cartman: They're not people, they're hippies!
posted by kosem at 4:48 PM on February 28, 2006


This site was put together by the type of guy who goes to Oberlin and wonders why there's no Young Republican club. And can't get laid.

This comment was made by the type of guy who goes to a place like Oberlin because he couldn't get laid in high school, then proceeds to be as exclusionary to those unlike him out of an inchoate sense of revenge. High school never ends, does it?

(I could do this all night)
posted by jonmc at 4:48 PM on February 28, 2006


ANYONE can get laid at oberlin. it's what people go to oberlin for.
posted by shmegegge at 4:51 PM on February 28, 2006


ANYONE can get laid at oberlin.

*runs off to kill guidance counselor*
posted by jonmc at 4:52 PM on February 28, 2006


“We’re trying to make the organ fun,” says Organ Pump President David Crean ’07

I had to admit I have never heard of Oberlin but this made me laugh like crazy (especially when I read David's last name as Cream)

source
posted by Deep Dish at 4:57 PM on February 28, 2006


ANYONE can get laid at oberlin.

But not Antioch. Go figure.
posted by bardic at 5:24 PM on February 28, 2006


Not to mention, change 'hippies' to 'rednecks,' 'redstaters' or 'republicans,' (not that I'm any of those three) and a lot of the loudest complainers here would be cheering. and don't even bother trying to deny it.

If I ever make it to NYC I'm either going to give you a big, sloppy kiss or buy you many beers. And now that I think about it, I think we'd both prefer the beer option.

*scoots over one seat in the theater*

still funny?

"MACHETE: Maniacal wielding of a large bladed weapon, inflicting injuries upon those who would get too close, is a highly effective method when encountering small to medium sized groups of Mefi members who get their panties in a bunch whenever the target of one of their online grudges pops up in an thread. Any amount of bloodletting will cause the non-injured to flee in terror or faint on the spot.
DEFCON 4, 3"

There. All better.
posted by Cyrano at 5:27 PM on February 28, 2006


"Raw sewage storage (Hippies will eat anything)."

Tell them it's organic. You wouldn't be lying.
posted by Eideteker at 5:39 PM on February 28, 2006


I find it somewhat tragic when I see liberal worker bees hating on hippies. It's like when the Irish fought the Italians. They're both being thoroughly fucked over and ruled by the corporate fat-cats. The the market really does know how to take care of itself. God bless the dollar.
posted by nixerman at 5:51 PM on February 28, 2006


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posted by NewBornHippy at 5:55 PM on February 28, 2006


Metafilter: Maniacal wielding of a large bladed weapon.
posted by davelog at 5:59 PM on February 28, 2006


I find it somewhat tragic when I see liberal worker bees hating on hippies.

Just because we might have similar enemies dosen't mean we're obliged to like eachother. And it's not like they like us much, either. And you seem oblivious to why worker bees might resent hippies. which brings me to this...

They're both being thoroughly fucked over and ruled by the corporate fat-cats.

Most hippies I've known were the indulged children of corporate fat-cats, acting out of guilt and/or cluelessness. And I don't hate them, I just think they're a little silly and stupid.

It's like when the Irish fought the Italians.

My Irish father and Italian mother still occasionally have a row. It's something to see.
posted by jonmc at 6:10 PM on February 28, 2006


Man, I never realized just how much people think about hippies. I mean, where are all these hippies that generate all this hate? Good grief, I hate, uh, MUNCHKINS. Yeah, 'cuz they're little and their voices are too high, and they wear wierd clothes, and they sucked up to that goddamn Glynda the Good Witch and they form "lollipop guilds" and they cheered when that house feel on the wicked witch and handed over her rightful ruby-slippers property to her muderer! GODDAMN MUNCHKINS!
posted by telstar at 6:31 PM on February 28, 2006


And you seem oblivious to why worker bees might resent hippies.

Hippies are hated because they have the courage to actually make their lifestyle conform to their beliefs. They make most people look like cowards hence the charges of being overly idealistic or impractical and the like. For people stuck in various dead-end jobs the hippy lifestyle of voluntary poverty represents the ultimate rejection/attraction. 'Resent' is very much the right word.

Most hippies I've known were the indulged children of corporate fat-cats

Thanks for sharing, but once again your limited experiences don't have much to do with our shared reality. Most anybody who could seriously be called a hippy these days is usually pushing 60. You're just using the word 'hippy' as just a revaluatory statement to demonstrate how cynical and 'real world' you yourself are compared to those who would dare to be different from average. Which is fine, in the end.

It's not at all surprising that the word 'liberal' today is beginning to be used in the same derisive, resentful tones that 'hippy' is often used. You think of all these conservatives who go on and on about the nefarious coastal liberals and you've got to wonder that the people upstairs aren't even making an effort to be creative anymore. Though I suppose if it ain't broke... In the end, the smearing of the hippies as ineffectual and delusional has done a great deal to stifle the growth of a serious left, immediately undermine many critical positions (case in point, global warming, which, until quite recently, was exclusively the domain of hippies until the results started coming in) and the same tactics are of course providing the foundation for many of today's greatest hits.
posted by nixerman at 6:34 PM on February 28, 2006


Hippies are hated because they have the courage to actually make their lifestyle conform to their beliefs

Most of them have the monetary resources to make that a feasible possiblity. and are still naive enough to find poverty 'interesting.' That's what causes the resentment in my experience. And yes I realize that my experience is limited, as is anyones, but that dosen't mean you can blithely write it off.
posted by jonmc at 6:39 PM on February 28, 2006


how cynical and 'real world' you yourself are compared to those who would dare to be different from average.

also, this comment reveals that your miscomprehension of me is so innacurrate as to be downright comical. Does a bisexual, obscure music collecting, city-dwelling, war-protesting, net addicted ex-headbanger/punk rocker, underground comic reader, nude beach habitue qualify as average?

Perhaps. I've always been of the opinion that this society is so balknaized that 'average' is a meaningless term. The average american would have to be black, white, asian, rich, poor, midle-class, straight, gay, bi and countless other things all at once. But I do try to hear as many different people as possible and I refuse to write anybody off based on specious criteria. But by all means, keep twisting yourself into logical pretzels if it makes it easier for you not to hear things I say that may disturb your smug worldview.
posted by jonmc at 6:45 PM on February 28, 2006


Not to mention, change 'hippies' to 'rednecks,' 'redstaters' or 'republicans,' and a lot of the loudest complainers here would be cheering. and don't even bother trying to deny it.

*doesn't even bother*
*giggles with telstar instead*
posted by If I Had An Anus at 7:19 PM on February 28, 2006



I find it somewhat tragic when I see liberal worker bees hating on hippies. It's like when the Irish fought the Italians. They're both being thoroughly fucked over and ruled by the corporate fat-cats. The the market really does know how to take care of itself. God bless the dollar.

The label of liberal carries no sense of loathing in most of the world, and I personally prefer to be called a socialist.

Hippie, voluntary-poverty holds moral weight only because a person who does basically nothing has very little capacity for evil, but out of inactivity not moral superiority.

If as a bloc the hippie generation were a force for good, we would be able to point to tremendous leaps forward in social programs and human rights since the late 60's. I cannot point to one leap forward on this front in North America since the early 1980's and who is in the halls of power right now?

I am not terribly insulted by being called a worker bee either, when I was poor I had to compromise quite a bit on my values. I had to eat meat because I had to accept a lot of dinner invitiations etc and could not be a pain the ass. There is no way I could buy screw-in flourescent bulbs over regular light bulbs, I drove a V6 car because it was a cheap former write off instead of a more efficient one, and it was hard to knock on doors during elections when my feet and back were sore from standing on a retail sales floor all day.
posted by Deep Dish at 7:32 PM on February 28, 2006


Not to mention, change 'hippies' to 'rednecks,' 'redstaters' or 'republicans,' (not that I'm any of those three) and a lot of the loudest complainers here would be cheering. and don't even bother trying to deny it.
posted by jonmc at 8:43 PM AST on February 28 [!]


Here's where someone who wasn't just shooting his mouth off would have gone and found an example of someone linking to a site that advocated, even jokingly, the use of machetes on 'rednecks' and a wave of the liberal mefi mafia chortling it up.

I'm willing to bet this hasn't happened, mainly because eliminationist rhetoric really isn't something liberals are good at..
posted by Space Coyote at 8:25 PM on February 28, 2006


Yeah, I don't usually joke about killing people, and I go for some rough chuckles.
posted by 235w103 at 8:43 PM on February 28, 2006


A longhair wearing a hat. Note how he is hopped up on goofballs.

Killer funny.
posted by arcticwoman at 9:26 PM on February 28, 2006


I like hippies. For breakfast.
posted by BitterOldPunk at 9:32 PM on February 28, 2006


I've always liked hippies. I would join a commune at the drop of a hat if I could still wear the Prada.

Oh, and I really like the new dios. Whatever you're taking, don't forget that it's not polite if you didn't bring enough to share.
posted by cytherea at 9:50 PM on February 28, 2006


Anyone besides me ever notice, what looks like a 'hippie' these days is usually a redneck? Been that way quite awhile.

I've known some hippies in my time. Good people, generally speaking. But I find guys with long hair rather unattractive.

Ultimately, the designation 'hippie' is totally useless.

If you want to hate something, hate Diebold machines. They don't bleed, but maybe they fizzle, spark and smoke when you use a machete on them. And you can feel good about yourself in the morning.
posted by Goofyy at 12:06 AM on March 1, 2006


Deep Dish, why on earth do you assume that being a hippie goes with "inactivity" or doing "basically nothing"? Shouldn't we define what a hippie actually is before you go all apeshit ranting about how they're all a bunch of lazy rich kids? If I'm not mistaken, many who were a part of the "hippie generation" (and by this I assume that you refer to those who came of age in the 1960's and 1970's) did things like join the Peace Corps and participate in the largest anti-war movement this nation has ever seen. Inactivity? Not so much.

And can somebody please define what we're talking about when we say "hippie"? Because it seems that everybody in this thread is referring to their own idea of what a hippie is, which makes this whole discussion incoherent and pointless. Are we talking about frat boys who listen to Phish? People with long hair who don't bathe on the regular? Those who belong to the generation that originated the term in the 1960s? C'mon people, let's get it together.

Most of them have the monetary resources to make that a feasible possiblity. and are still naive enough to find poverty 'interesting.' That's what causes the resentment in my experience. And yes I realize that my experience is limited, as is anyones, but that dosen't mean you can blithely write it off.
posted by jonmc at 6:39 PM PST on February 28


Um, yes, it does mean that we can write it off, because you're generalizing based on your admittedly limited experience, and that smacks of ignorance. It sounds like every time you see some longhairs driving around in a VW van, you want to rage against them for being spoiled and lazy. You don't know who they are or what kinds of contributions they make to the world! I'm sorry that your life circumstance was such that you had to work hard for a buck while others coasted by, but I think your resentment is misplaced. You might want to work on that.

And isn't this supposed to be the best of the web? The thread has some interesting comments, but what's up with the post? I can't find anything on that site that's even mildly entertaining, amusing or noteworthy.

Lame, lame, lame...
posted by wetpaint at 12:44 AM on March 1, 2006


i don't much care for the neohippie m'self, and i have to deal with them all the time at work (when we have Bob Weir and Ratdog play, or Dark Star Orchestra, or Widespread, man!) mostly because they're self-important and much stupider than they imagine themselves to be (not sure what it is about the neohippie psyche, but it tends toward an utterly false self-regard w/r/t intellect).

however, though some of the linked material is mildly funny in the same way that novelty greeting cards at spencer gifts can be, on balance it's too enthusiastically hateful, and the "humor" in which it's couched falls far short of mitigating its viciousness.

and what Space Coyote said.

Most of them have the monetary resources to make that a feasible possiblity (sic)

how in the world would you know this? did you do a survey?
posted by Hat Maui at 2:18 AM on March 1, 2006


I'm a little suprised that everyone doesn't think its satire.

Wild boar? Wild boar? Come on already! Where are you even going to get a wild boar?

Anyone who uses the phrase "hate speech" should be hated.

"Blood, guts, guns, cuts, knives, lives, wives, nuns, sluts."

That's all I have to say.
posted by ewkpates at 3:57 AM on March 1, 2006


I'm a little suprised that everyone doesn't think its satire.

Yes, it's jokey, but I think it reflects a common dislike of the anti-establishment crowd.

Hippies can make people feel guilty without even trying. If you tell yourself you are environmentally conscientious because you drive a small SUV, for example, your boast can be shot to hell by someone who bicycles the same route every day and is also therefore in better condition and didn't have to spend the money you spent on the vehicle and gasoline. If you tell yourself that you're unique, a leader, a free spirit, not just a cog in the machine, you might feel bad meeting someone who shows that it is actually possible to drop out of the rat race and live a relaxed, happy, healthy life that does not include all the crap you had been led to believe is necessary and is therefore necessary to work long hours for.

And though it hasn't happened to me, I'm sure some hippies proselytize a bit, which would be annoying. It's bad enough that hippies make people look bad by comparison; people don't want to be told they're fucking things up through their own shortsightedness, sloth, and greed.

I'll take hippies over the anti-hippy crowd any day. How can you be against people who are actively (not just theoretically) for peace and love and nature and who are against following the fashion-and-acquisitions herd?
posted by pracowity at 4:41 AM on March 1, 2006


The reason why most people are disgusted by this isn'tthat they don't get that t's supposed to be humourous, it's that there's a segment of the US population that thinks so much about killing when they try and come up with ideas that amuse them to put into jokes.
posted by Space Coyote at 5:03 AM on March 1, 2006


BOMB: Placement of a large explosive devise underneath the sound stage just prior to a hippie concert or festival should kill off enough longhairs to bring absolute contentment in life. Include nails and metal shreds for the added delight of flayed hippie skins.
DEFCON 1

MACHETE: Maniacal wielding of a large bladed weapon, inflicting injuries upon those who would get too close, is a highly effective method when encountering small to medium sized groups of Jews. Any amount of bloodletting will cause the non-injured to flee in terror or faint on the spot.
DEFCON 4, 3


So Dios supports bombing and machete attacks. Or finds it amusing.

What a coward Dios is. Instead of being in Iraq with REAL bombs or Rhwanda with REAL machete VS human action, Dios hangs out on a computer, strok'n away for the 102nd fighting keyboardists.

Stop woosing out. Go and have a laugh in Iraq! Or a chuckle in Rhwanda.

How can you be against people who are actively (not just theoretically) for peace and love

Typically, all a hippy is gonna do is TELL you about how wonderful things are in thier life and how you should do the same VS using force to have you conform to their worldview. Hippy VS Congresskritter - I'll take the hippies.
posted by rough ashlar at 6:03 AM on March 1, 2006


Anybody ever notice that, in their purest form, hippies and punks are all but indistinguishable from one another?

uh. no.
posted by Stynxno at 7:21 AM on March 1, 2006


Some of the captions for the pictures were funny...
posted by Fezboy! at 8:23 AM on March 1, 2006


Some of the captions for the pictures were funny...

Yep.
posted by pracowity at 8:37 AM on March 1, 2006


And can somebody please define what we're talking about when we say "hippie"?

It's a term adopted by the conservative Establishment back in the '60s, as a pejorative. No one I knew then applied it to themselves or their friends, regardless of how countercultural they were. The only new thing about it is that some people today are calling themselves hippies.
posted by Kirth Gerson at 9:55 AM on March 1, 2006


Deep Dish, why on earth do you assume that being a hippie goes with "inactivity" or doing "basically nothing"?

Read my next line, in spite of all the idealism and bluster about what a great movement it was. It can point to NO long term success. It's successors are even more useless.
posted by Deep Dish at 10:45 AM on March 1, 2006


You know what's funny? In a thread about straw men, I believe that this is the first use of the term straw man.

Seriously: Who do you hate? Dreadlocked white kids? The music they listen to? The drugs they take? The veggie burritos they eat? Do you hate half baked idealism?

Do you think that only twenty somethings on Phish tour, as opposed to any other group of young conformists in young conformist uniforms have some kind of monopoly on unseemliness? On syrupy pushiness? Or are they just a little less cool (a little less ironic in their disposition) than you are?

Do you hate middle aged men with pony tails who still smoke dope and wear sandals? Without evaluating the relative success of the "hippie" movement (by which you apparently mean some poorly imagined amalgamation of the acid culture, rock and roll, free love and the anti Veitnam War movement), what have any of these characters ever done to you?

What the fuck do you care if there's a mass of unidentifieds out there listening to The Stringcheese Incident, clutching crystals, eating acid, organic food and blathering on about corporations?

(Also, isn't it relatively obvious that neither dios nor the authors of the website support bombing or hacking up festival attendees? The South Park episode, and to a lesser extent, the page here at issue, are both in good fun, and funny. CTFD, por favor.)
posted by kosem at 11:18 AM on March 1, 2006


What the fuck do you care if there's a mass of unidentifieds out there listening to The Stringcheese Incident, clutching crystals, eating acid, organic food and blathering on about corporations?

That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling 'consciousness expansion' without ever giving a thought to the grim meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the people who took him seriously... All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy Peace and Understanding for three bucks a hit. But their loss and failure is ours too. What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped create... a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody... or at least some force -- is tending the light at the end of the tunnel.


- HST
posted by Deep Dish at 11:54 AM on March 1, 2006


Yep, and Leary died in bed surrounded by friends. As much as I liked and got off on HST's writing, I suspect that much of his nihilism was quite personal, and showed in his chosen method of passing. Which was violent, sudden, and directed by himself. Like I said, that's what I liked about his writing.

Tell me, before Leary expressed his version of the psychedelic experience, who was there? Go and look at HST's writing before Leary (Hell's Angels) and grok the diff.
posted by telstar at 7:03 PM on March 1, 2006


The "Tie dye gone horribly wrong" photo has traumatized me on so many levels.
posted by onegreeneye at 11:13 PM on March 1, 2006


"Yup. And what's wrong with hate when you're hating something crap?

Not to mention, change 'hippies' to 'rednecks,' 'redstaters' or 'republicans,' (not that I'm any of those three) and a lot of the loudest complainers here would be cheering. and don't even bother trying to deny it.
posted by jonmc at 4:43 PM PST on February 28 [!]"

Jon, can you provide any examples of Metafilter members advocating the wholesale killing of "red staters" ?

If so I'll happily join you in enthusiastic condemnation. Otherwise.....

Who are you talking about ? There may be individual Mefites who hold those sorts of hypocriical attitudes, sure. But reference to some vague group doesn't lend your claim credilbility.

_______

On a personal note, I'd say that I try ( and sometimes I forget this too ) that broad-brushing is almost always offensive.

I recall a heated conversation I had with a customer, from the time I had an auto repair business.

Now, I was an OK mechanic but an awful businessman - and this led, at times, to conflict with certain customers. I'm pretty soft spoken normally, but one customer really set me off. Refering to auto mechanics, my customer began a tirade of complaints with :

"You people......."

I didn't buy it, and demanded to know : "Who, exactly, are you talking about there, with that 'you people' ?"
posted by troutfishing at 11:20 AM on March 2, 2006


Oh and......

"Counter-Hippie Tactics

BOMB: Placement of a large explosive devise underneath the sound stage just prior to a hippie concert or festival should kill off enough longhairs to bring absolute contentment in life. Include nails and metal shreds for the added delight of flayed hippie skins.
DEFCON 1 "

Hardy har har.....

So, this is different from the direct advocacy of terrorism exactly how ? Can terrorist groups publish "how to" manuals if they swap in the words "hippies" for "Jews" or "blacks" or "Americans" or "Israelis" if they just put on the covers of those - in huge black block lettering" "THIS IS SATIRE" ?

It's striking to me that here on Metafilter terrorist attacks on civilians can get passed off as satire. I think people who think this is funny might do well to read "Becoming Evil" by James Waller.

I suppose I once might have thought this sort of humor funny [ probably back in my pseudo-hardcore days, while I was still doing stage dives into crowds ] but later on in my life I came to a different perspective :

Now, I think that such attitudes, such speech ( which I call hate speech ) in public discourse increases the likelihood those attitudes will translate into actual violence. Even in jest, "humorous" talk on mass violence creates a cultural climate in which such violence is more likely to occur.

Those were James Waller's conclusions - Waller interviewed victims and perpetrators of mass political violence from great slaughters and genocides worldwide. "Becoming Evil" : read it.
posted by troutfishing at 11:43 AM on March 2, 2006


From now on, I am going to start picturing dios as Eric Cartman.
posted by Otis at 12:25 PM on March 2, 2006


That works for me too.
posted by troutfishing at 8:44 PM on March 2, 2006


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