Bad Ink, Bad Man/Boy
November 5, 2006 5:46 PM   Subscribe

It seems that Utah's #1 enemy has been captured. He looks ridiculous baby.
posted by snsranch (125 comments total) 1 user marked this as a favorite
 
I think they have the wrong guy.
posted by ryanissuper at 5:49 PM on November 5, 2006 [2 favorites]


What's kind of funny about it, is that everyone's calling him "Utah's #1 public enemy," but the only article I could find with specific information about his criminal charges does not even allege he's committed any crimes of violence. I guess he's just the #1 public enemy 'cause he looks scary.

(KSL News) -- Another white supremacist is one of the Metro Gang Unit's new Public Enemy Number One.

Curtis Allgier is a member of the Aryan Brotherhood and a convicted felon. Police consider him armed and dangerous. He has a history of burglary, forgery and carrying weapons.

Police need help finding him. He shouldn't be hard to miss, with tattoos of swastikas, numbers and the phrase "Skinheads".

posted by jayder at 5:51 PM on November 5, 2006


I know I'm just supposed to laugh at his picture, but I couldn't help but read the terribly written article:

"Lt. Chris Bertram of the Salt Lake County Sheriff’s office says he’s a very dangerous person and that’s why he was public enemy number one."

IS THAT RIGHT
posted by synaesthetichaze at 5:57 PM on November 5, 2006


Then, they say Allgier barricaded himself in his room, cut a hole in the ceiling and crawled into the attic.

What was this cat thinking?
posted by Pollomacho at 5:58 PM on November 5, 2006 [2 favorites]


Fark-tacular.
posted by keswick at 5:59 PM on November 5, 2006


Poor guy, passed out first at a party and somebody drew on him with a Sharpie.
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 6:01 PM on November 5, 2006


I wonder if he's Mormon.
posted by BuddhaInABucket at 6:03 PM on November 5, 2006


Don't talk about my boyfriend like that. He's really smart.
posted by Jon-o at 6:04 PM on November 5, 2006 [1 favorite]


What a wonderfully illustrated man. He's just covered in lovingly rendered examples of extremely poor decisions.
posted by loquacious at 6:04 PM on November 5, 2006 [1 favorite]


Dangerous? But it says fun on his chin and I'm a pepper on his forehead!
posted by dobbs at 6:04 PM on November 5, 2006


keswick, I was waiting for that. I've only seen two other examples of this kind of facial tattooing. One was on rotten.com, the skin head who was severely beaten, and the other a MeFi post about South American gangs. Sadly, I was unable to find either one to post along with this.
posted by snsranch at 6:05 PM on November 5, 2006


Oh, this is the guy Memento was based on. Loosely.
posted by strangeleftydoublethink at 6:09 PM on November 5, 2006


Sadly, I was unable to find either one to post along with this.

How about Ta moko?
posted by Pollomacho at 6:10 PM on November 5, 2006


Gee, hard to belive he eluded capture for so long. "No, Officer, It was some other guy with 'skin head' tattooed across his face."
posted by jonmc at 6:13 PM on November 5, 2006


Pollomacho, wrong answer man. Ta moko or anything Maori are nothing like the kook that I posted about.
posted by snsranch at 6:14 PM on November 5, 2006


Let this be a lesson to anyone else who offers to tattoo themselves for the highest EBay bidder. White supremacists have Paypal too.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 6:15 PM on November 5, 2006


Somehow I missed this gem:

"He later fell thru the ceiling into another room, where he was arrested."

First of all... thru? Come on, it's only three more letters. Plus, mega-lolz, this guy fell through the fucking ceiling into a police officer's lap. Okay, done in this post now.
posted by synaesthetichaze at 6:17 PM on November 5, 2006


Well you wanted facial tattooing (or marking to be more exact).
posted by Pollomacho at 6:17 PM on November 5, 2006


I bet this guy is a big fan of Mike Tyson.

Oh, wait...
posted by dirigibleman at 6:19 PM on November 5, 2006


So, did this guy think "I escaped from prison, now I'm going to lay low. That'll be easy, with my face and ears covered in tattoos..."
posted by clevershark at 6:19 PM on November 5, 2006


Can anyone read what his forehead says? "Property of Jolane"? And is that FUN on his chin an acronym or a sign, like "go here for fun!"?
posted by Science! at 6:24 PM on November 5, 2006


I've only seen two other examples of this kind of facial tattooing.

And that dude from Project Runway.
posted by smackfu at 6:26 PM on November 5, 2006


(And the guy from that episode of Doctor Who.)
posted by smackfu at 6:26 PM on November 5, 2006


White Power! ...to make poor decisions you'll regret one day.

And I think it's safe to assume F.U.N. is an acronym. where the "U" stands in for "You"
posted by ernie at 6:26 PM on November 5, 2006


POOR IMPULSE CONTROL
posted by carsonb at 6:28 PM on November 5, 2006 [2 favorites]


If you want good tattooing search for MS 13 gang on google. I am a member, this is me.
posted by fire&wings at 6:29 PM on November 5, 2006 [1 favorite]


Ceiling tatt.
posted by peacay at 6:34 PM on November 5, 2006


NOT CUTE!
posted by petersn1 at 6:36 PM on November 5, 2006


I know it's bad to say that someone LOOKS guilty, but, this guy - it's written all over his face.
posted by bunglin jones at 6:39 PM on November 5, 2006 [2 favorites]


If you want good tattooing search for MS 13 gang on google. I am a member, this is me.

Self link! And, dude, get out of your mom's basement more often!
posted by Pollomacho at 6:43 PM on November 5, 2006


His mother and sister thought highly of him and tried to help him.
posted by tellurian at 6:49 PM on November 5, 2006


pollomacho, I'm just nit-picking because there is a huge difference between Maori Tribe-folk and rascist gang-folk. Never the twain shall meet. Not even in my lame post.

Also, calling the cops on fire&wings: obviously guilty of...something.
posted by snsranch at 6:49 PM on November 5, 2006


Anytime you have a felon armed with a parole warrant that’s a dangerous combination. Amen to that. Even worse if it's a weapon the're holding.
posted by econous at 6:50 PM on November 5, 2006


I thought Skinheads didn't have hair, so he's a liar too?
posted by fenriq at 6:52 PM on November 5, 2006


One of the chicks on that MS-13 guy's tattoo looks like she has a goatee, am I seeing that right?
posted by Falconetti at 6:53 PM on November 5, 2006


He had made statements that he wasn’t willing to go back to prison.

Soooo curious as where he thought he'd live out his golden years with a mug like that. Maybe selling stereos at Fry's, building up a nice 401k no doubt.
posted by ernie at 6:54 PM on November 5, 2006


Deputies spotted his girlfriend in the area and called in the swat team.

Spotted his girlfriend?

Where are the pictures of THIS tattooed freak?
posted by frogan at 7:03 PM on November 5, 2006


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posted by iconomy at 7:04 PM on November 5, 2006 [7 favorites]


HIYOOOOO
posted by basicchannel at 7:07 PM on November 5, 2006


The MS 13 guy that fire&wings links to is clearly enjoying another day posting to Metafilter.
posted by Mid at 7:07 PM on November 5, 2006


That rules, icon.

I was wondering if Celing Cat assisted with the arrest.
posted by Mid at 7:08 PM on November 5, 2006


If you want good tattooing search for MS 13 gang on google. I am a member, this is me.
posted by fire&wings at 8:29 PM CST on November 5


No way that's you. That is NOT metafilter on that computer screen.

Also, just as well he spend the rest of his life in prison. Seriously, there are 0 employment opportunities for him on the outside.
posted by Ynoxas at 7:10 PM on November 5, 2006


Duh, he's using LoFi.
posted by Mid at 7:12 PM on November 5, 2006


He'll pass the long hours in prison by REMOVING jailhouse tattoos.
posted by BoringPostcards at 7:15 PM on November 5, 2006


But he sure do have a pretty mouth.
posted by gesamtkunstwerk at 7:16 PM on November 5, 2006


Ceiling tatt.


AHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
posted by greasy_skillet at 7:17 PM on November 5, 2006


I just had this image of Mefites not as the chain-smoking, smarmy, black-clad hipster in a coffee shop or as the sarcastic, somewhat stoned college student or the shackled cubicle rat or the supposed-to-be-working-from-home techie, but rather as a whole community of facially tattooed gang members. I think I want to keep this image!
posted by Pollomacho at 7:18 PM on November 5, 2006


Don't guys like this get the option to be sent to Iraq instead of jail?
posted by Jenga at 7:19 PM on November 5, 2006


No way that's you. That is NOT metafilter on that computer screen.

I am also playing a first person shooter. Why you all get up in my faaaace?
posted by fire&wings at 7:24 PM on November 5, 2006


His main offense is bad taste: Too many fonts. Choose a face and stick to it.

If you want to walk through life looking like a thought balloon you should limit yourself to Comic Sans.
posted by hal9k at 7:26 PM on November 5, 2006


carsonb : POOR IMPULSE CONTROL

Ha! And you suck. I wanted to say that.
posted by quin at 7:44 PM on November 5, 2006


"I thought Skinheads didn't have hair, so he's a liar too?"

He's in disguise , nobody would suspect him with hair.
posted by Liquidwolf at 7:48 PM on November 5, 2006


Does anyone know the significance of the '515' and 'styv' on his cheeks? They don't have them listed here.
posted by tellurian at 7:48 PM on November 5, 2006


Choose a face and stick to it.

I beleive he did, and it was that which he was born with. What he stuck to it was ink.
posted by mwhybark at 7:48 PM on November 5, 2006


Jailarity insues.
posted by knave at 7:50 PM on November 5, 2006


I just had this image of Mefites not as the chain-smoking, smarmy, black-clad hipster in a coffee shop or as the sarcastic, somewhat stoned college student or the shackled cubicle rat or the supposed-to-be-working-from-home techie, but rather as a whole community of facially tattooed gang members. I think I want to keep this image!

So... how do you get jumped into this gang, you have to use WinME for a year? Or maybe get your DSL/Cable 'net connection replaced with AOL or NetZero?
posted by Talanvor at 7:55 PM on November 5, 2006


Almost as cool as Mr Cool Ice.
posted by scodger at 7:58 PM on November 5, 2006


If you want to walk through life looking like a thought balloon you should limit yourself to Comic Sans.

And it's Hal9k for the win!
posted by The White Hat at 7:59 PM on November 5, 2006


Damn, he's kinda hot, if you're into that blond haired, blue eyed, Aryan thing and imagine him without the ink. Its kind of mesmerising staring at his face trying to imagine it without the tattoos, and then being lured back in by its unavoidable omnipresence. Kinda like those Magic Eye posters.

I think the FUN stands for F&*k You, N*^%@r. I could be wrong. Don't know much about these things.

Falconetti, I thought the same thing! No one else seems to have commented on it, so maybe we're both just crazy...
posted by PigAlien at 8:12 PM on November 5, 2006


Damn, he's kinda hot, if you're into that blond haired, blue eyed, Aryan thing and imagine him without the ink.

You know I'm kinda hot, if you are into that thirty-something, slightly paunchy office geek thing and without the receeding hairline.
posted by Pollomacho at 8:17 PM on November 5, 2006


I predict he will have much F.U.N. in prison.
posted by darkstar at 8:18 PM on November 5, 2006


posted by tellurian Does anyone know the significance of the '515' and 'styv' on his cheeks? They don't have them listed here.

I think that's actually "5150" with the celtic cross/rifle sight as the zero.
posted by fandango_matt at 8:29 PM on November 5, 2006


The only persona who can get away with tattooed swastikas is manwoman.
posted by Kickstart70 at 8:31 PM on November 5, 2006


SmokingGun has a larger pic.
posted by Kickstart70 at 8:39 PM on November 5, 2006


Having been to Japan and Taiwan earlier this year I saw a lot of non-race-related swastikas (mostly on Buddhist temples) but I wouldn't get one inked on me... it can lead to unpleasant misunderstandings, I'm sure.
posted by clevershark at 8:42 PM on November 5, 2006


Those in-the-ear tattoos must have hurt like hell.
posted by clevershark at 8:42 PM on November 5, 2006


styv' on his cheeks?

I think that's "style."

"5150 style"
posted by frogan at 8:43 PM on November 5, 2006


"Property of Jolene." That's one lucky gal.
posted by smackfu at 8:43 PM on November 5, 2006


Wait, I just realized something -- who the fuck is Jolene? As in the tattoo, "Property of Jolene" across his forehead?
posted by frogan at 8:44 PM on November 5, 2006


I think it's just sad.

What kind of future could this boy possibly have? And even worse to contemplate--what kind of past?
posted by leftcoastbob at 8:59 PM on November 5, 2006


I can't imagine how badly the one on his nose must have hurt. I want video of him getting that one done. Also, I want to know how many (if any) parlors told him to get the fuck out when he asked for the swastica.

Also, too bad that he's going to jail in one of the whitest places in the country. He could use a little tough love - prison style - I feel.
posted by Navelgazer at 9:02 PM on November 5, 2006


I don't think you can get face tats done at a parlor. Not a reputable one anyway. It's more of an inmate-on-inmate or gang member-on-gang member thing.
posted by clevershark at 9:07 PM on November 5, 2006


What is the tatt on his nose?
Regards to hal9k for the thought balloon comment.
posted by Cranberry at 9:07 PM on November 5, 2006


^ Looks like a boot.
posted by eegphalanges at 9:15 PM on November 5, 2006


He could use a little tough love - prison style - I feel.

Why do you say that, you sick bastard?
posted by Kwantsar at 9:19 PM on November 5, 2006


He could use a little tough love - prison style - I feel.

Rape is justice.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 9:25 PM on November 5, 2006


I guess you get to a point where there is no turning back...
posted by JohnnyGunn at 9:32 PM on November 5, 2006


I wonder, you know the Nazis were pretty conservative, would this guy with his tatts even be allowed in the HJ, SA or SS?
posted by Pollomacho at 9:40 PM on November 5, 2006


who the fuck is Jolene? As in the tattoo, "Property of Jolene" across his forehead?

I figured he was just big into alt-country. Probably has a big Uncle Tupelo on his back, and pictures of the Waifs on his ass-cheeks.
posted by ROU_Xenophobe at 9:42 PM on November 5, 2006


Rape is justice.
posted by Blazecock Pileon


WTF?
posted by leftcoastbob at 9:53 PM on November 5, 2006


Comedy Cop, calling in the collar: "Uh, Central, what's black and white and arrested? Over."
posted by rob511 at 9:55 PM on November 5, 2006


Thanks fandango_matt and frogan, that would make sense. I laughed at a comment elsewhere saying that "Ironically, the only useful disguise for him is blackface".
posted by tellurian at 9:58 PM on November 5, 2006


Sorry: /sarcasm
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 9:59 PM on November 5, 2006


What kind of future could this boy possibly have? And even worse to contemplate--what kind of past?

CRAWFORD
You feel sorry for him?

GRAHAM
As a child, my heart bleeds for him. Someone took a little boy and turned him into a monster. But as an adult ... as an adult, he's irredeemable. He butchers whole families to fulfill some sick fantasy. As an adult, I think someone should blow the sick fuck out of his socks.
posted by frogan at 10:02 PM on November 5, 2006


i would sentence him to 4 straight months of near-death alcoholic intoxication, followed by having to have his failing liver replaced by that of a black man's, just so he can go for the rest of his decagenarian life having to explain the tattoos all over himself to everyone he meets and how now he's cool with black ppl in general. HIGH FIVE!
posted by StrasbourgSecaucus at 10:03 PM on November 5, 2006


I figured he was just big into alt-country. Probably has a big Uncle Tupelo on his back, and pictures of the Waifs on his ass-cheeks.

Or just a fan of my favorite Dolly Parton song of all time.
posted by Falconetti at 10:23 PM on November 5, 2006


Isn't "5150" a white power thing? Like using the date of Hitler's birthday, or his dog's birthday, or something semi-cryptic like that? Or maybe he just likes Van Halen.
posted by Zack_Replica at 11:08 PM on November 5, 2006


he now faces felony charges! those journalists crack me up!
posted by clyde at 11:36 PM on November 5, 2006


Did AP let a high school intern write this article?
posted by spiderskull at 11:50 PM on November 5, 2006


5150 - "5150 is a section of California's Welfare and Institutions Code which deals with involuntary confinement and psychiatric evaluation of any person deemed gravely disabled or a danger to himself, herself or others."
posted by Kickstart70 at 12:06 AM on November 6, 2006


Interesting how no violent crimes have been attributed to him. As far as we know, this guy might just never invite black people to his parties.
Seems like he's public enemy #1 simply because he seems scary. I feel sorry for this guy, he's probably going to get the book thrown at him for his beliefs. However fucked up they may be, it's actions that require punishment, not thoughts.
posted by Citizen Premier at 12:25 AM on November 6, 2006


Hm....facial tattoos like this are what tend to sometimes give people a poor impression of tattos in general.
posted by Holy foxy moxie batman! at 12:39 AM on November 6, 2006


Interesting how no violent crimes have been attributed to him. As far as we know, this guy might just never invite black people to his parties.

Well, he's got a history of burglary and carrying weapons, he said he wasn't going back to prison, and they'd heard word that he was armed. I mean, he's probably not the most dangerous person in Utah (you'd think they'd have at least one murderer) but I wouldn't want to run into him, either.
posted by Mitrovarr at 1:39 AM on November 6, 2006


Wow, it's the world's only white supremacist whose skin is 50% black.
posted by textilephile at 1:40 AM on November 6, 2006 [1 favorite]


textilephile wins.
posted by NewBornHippy at 2:40 AM on November 6, 2006


textilephile : Wow, it's the world's only white supremacist whose skin is 50% black.

Good point, and an interesting concept for a punishment. Finish tattooing him. Make him completely black and see how quickly his opinions on race relations change.
posted by quin at 3:08 AM on November 6, 2006


American History WTF
posted by Arcaz Ino at 3:49 AM on November 6, 2006 [1 favorite]


The thing that strikes me most about this picture is how remarkably handsome a man he would be without the tattoos (and the repeatedly broken nose which goes so well with them). It'd be interesting to compare with a good photoshop of him. Also, he looks a lot younger than 27, even with the markings. This dude didn't just forgo an ordinary human life. He threw away the limerance, the assumptions of competence and likeability, the easy sex, the better jobs: basically, the better-than-normal life that extraordinary good looks gives a person. Not that they all get that of course. Low enough IQ, harsh enough mental problems, and "I'M AN IDIOT ASSHOLE" might as well be written on a man's face.
posted by aeschenkarnos at 5:18 AM on November 6, 2006


Since this thread needs pics, my point above demonstrated or perhaps rebutted by some Farker: here.

Not quite how I pictured him, but still, his sane and un-tattooed identical twin brother wouldn't have much trouble getting a date, whichever way his boat floats.
posted by aeschenkarnos at 5:37 AM on November 6, 2006


Low enough IQ, harsh enough mental problems, and "I'M AN IDIOT ASSHOLE" might as well be written on a man's face.

Oh, but they are.
posted by squasha at 6:02 AM on November 6, 2006


He is haunting and terrifying, I think. While I'm laughing at all the snarky comments, he scares the crap out of me. His eyes are really freaky.
posted by aacheson at 6:10 AM on November 6, 2006


Perhaps the tattoos are a hidden plan for an elaborate escape from the state prison where his brother has been wrongly incarcereated. You people jump to conclusions too quickly.
posted by phirleh at 6:26 AM on November 6, 2006


Utah's public enemy #2 must be this guy's tattoo artist.
posted by GuyZero at 6:38 AM on November 6, 2006 [1 favorite]


please write him. save him from boring letters from his sis !!!!!

Too late I guess. His sister bored letters all over that face.
posted by hal9k at 6:49 AM on November 6, 2006


Christ, he looks like a mens room stall.
posted by Eideteker at 6:51 AM on November 6, 2006


Wow, it's the world's only white supremacist whose skin is 50% black.
posted by textilephile at 9:40 AM GMT on November 6


Aye, you can see that he must be mixed-race or whatever the term for it is - hence the tattoos i think.
posted by sgt.serenity at 7:26 AM on November 6, 2006


Does anyone know the significance of the '515' and 'styv' on his cheeks? They don't have them listed here.

I guess both of these have been answered, what with the 5150 wiki and the clearer picture showing that the left cheek says "style," but I have to say I'm disappointed.

With the simple and simplistic numerology, (where 18=AH=Adolf Hitler and 311=3x11=KKK) I was sort of hoping that "515"=5x15="OOOOO" or the finest grade of steel wool, making Mr. Lonely "Superfine;" and that "styv" was just an unfortunate misspelling by the tatt artist of Stiv (Bators) of the Dead Boys, whose arguably most familiar song is Circumstantial Evidence, which is all they have on poor Curtis, althouugh guilt is written all over his face.
posted by beelzbubba at 7:36 AM on November 6, 2006


From the article:

Anytime you have a felon armed with a parole warrant that’s a dangerous combination.

I think it would be more dangerous if the felon was armed with an icepick, pickaxe handle, or similar implement of Trotskymachy, rather than a legal document.
posted by Mister_A at 7:56 AM on November 6, 2006


from his mother's post:

"WANTING FEMALE PEN PALS, POSSIBLY MORE~ HAS GREAT PERSONALITY AND IS EXTREMELY GOOD LOOKING... DON'T BELIEVE ME? SEE FOR YOURSELF, HE WAS JUST INTERVIEWED ON THE SERIES "LOCK UP" BY MSNBC, HAS TATTOOS FROM HEAD TOE, DRAWS, SINGS, JUST ALL AROUND A PERFECT MAN ,PLEASE WRITE TO :

CURTIS ALLGIER"

Yup, just your all around perfect man INDEED.
posted by djseafood at 7:58 AM on November 6, 2006


whose arguably most familiar song is Circumstantial Evidence

Quit being disingenuous, the most familiar song is clearly Sonic Reducer, not Circumstantial Evidence. :)
posted by Falconetti at 8:55 AM on November 6, 2006


HAS TATTOOS FROM HEAD TOE, DRAWS, SINGS, JUST ALL AROUND A PERFECT MAN ,PLEASE WRITE TO :

All around a perfect man? Interesting to see what dear old Dad might look like.
posted by Ynoxas at 9:25 AM on November 6, 2006


The mother's plea would make an excellent song.

Of course he's an all around perfect man, you can read it right there on his face. But it looks like he's taken - that Jolene, wow, lucky girl. Maybe he can find someone in prison to cover that sentence with "VOID", just to free him up a bit.

I was so disappointed that it *doesn't* say "I'm a pepper" on his forehead. I think that's an ice skate on his nose. Am I right?
posted by routergirl at 10:25 AM on November 6, 2006


"Property of Jolene"
I think Jolene is an old ladies' hair shampoo, isn't it? Leave off, you lot, the guy's just got corporate sponsorship, give him a break.
posted by penguin pie at 10:33 AM on November 6, 2006


(an ironic choice of sponsor for a skinhead, admittedly)
posted by penguin pie at 10:39 AM on November 6, 2006


Why is their a line tattooed around his hairline? Is he afraid he will forget where the hair used to start when he loses it all?

Is that an angel and devil in his ears? Aww, maybe he does have a soft side after all.
posted by trishthedish at 10:50 AM on November 6, 2006


an old mugshot.

And they thought he had alot of tattoos then.
posted by trishthedish at 11:03 AM on November 6, 2006


Did it hurt?
posted by routergirl at 11:04 AM on November 6, 2006


snsranch - here's your skinhead who was severely beaten. I don't think I've ever seen a scarier looking man.
posted by Jupiter Jones at 11:47 AM on November 6, 2006


It sounds to me like society would benefit by putting down this creep and his family. An excellent man? Guh. Kill the mother before it breeds more satan spawn.
posted by five fresh fish at 2:44 PM on November 6, 2006


Wait, I just realized something -- who the fuck is Jolene? As in the tattoo, "Property of Jolene" across his forehead?

What? The dude just loves Dolly Parton.
posted by ktoad at 3:20 PM on November 6, 2006


Perhaps the tattoos are a hidden plan for an elaborate escape from the state prison where his brother has been wrongly incarcereated. You people jump to conclusions too quickly.

Actually, they might aid in his escape, if he covered them up with some sort of makeup.
posted by aeschenkarnos at 4:56 PM on November 6, 2006


who the fuck is Jolene?

A Harlot. Maybe he's a defiant philanderer?
posted by owhydididoit at 6:13 PM on November 6, 2006


Orrin Hatch?
/didn't RTFA
posted by Saucy Intruder at 6:41 PM on November 6, 2006


I wonder if he's Mormon.

Well, I'd lay you odds that his parents are.
posted by spock at 9:24 PM on November 6, 2006


This guy is the anti-matter to Donny Osmond's matter in Utah. If they ever met, the universe would be obliterated.
posted by spock at 9:40 PM on November 6, 2006


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