Election 08
November 14, 2006 4:26 PM   Subscribe

Ready for '08? Survey USA is. They've done polls in all 50 states, with sixty different match ups. You can only view one paring for free, mine showed Condi Rice beating Barak Obama with something like 462 to 76. However, a large community site wouldn't have too much trouble iterating through all the options, at least that's what they figured at myDD. Of course, most of this is just name-ID at this point.
posted by delmoi (53 comments total)
 
Russ Feingold isn't going to run, which is a shame.
posted by bardic at 4:30 PM on November 14, 2006


Hillary Rodham Clinton 508 - Newt Gingrich 30
posted by jsteward at 4:32 PM on November 14, 2006


They have Rudy beating Hillary 354 to 184.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 4:32 PM on November 14, 2006


Wesley Clark 9 - John McCain 529

Why do the Republicans have such superior name recognition?
posted by Richard Daly at 4:44 PM on November 14, 2006


You can only view one paring for free, mine showed Condi Rice beating Barak Obama with something like 462 to 76.

This result may be more the result of name recognition than anything else. The less politically attuned might be thinking "Barak? That's that crazy guy from Kazakhstan, right?" Or "Obama? He's not related to that Bin Laden guy, is he?"
posted by jonp72 at 4:45 PM on November 14, 2006


The thing about this I find interesting is that, unlike most mashups of information and online media, they have found a way to monetize it. Web 2.1!
posted by davejay at 4:47 PM on November 14, 2006 [1 favorite]


"Of course, even then, we wouldn't get to see all of the results in each state for each of the 60 matchups, so this would be a poor substitute. Really, if you want all the information, go to Survey USA and buy a subscription. Here is a teaser: FDR beats Reagan 438-100!"
posted by mistermoore at 4:49 PM on November 14, 2006


Superman 533, Batman 102. He's like, basically invincible.
posted by I Am Not a Lobster at 4:50 PM on November 14, 2006 [1 favorite]


Giuliani beating Hillary 354-184? No way. The news said today they'd tie 46% to 46% [last sentence].
posted by yeti at 4:53 PM on November 14, 2006


Why do the Republicans have such superior name recognition?

Stalin 574 - Brezhnev 3
posted by Arcaz Ino at 4:57 PM on November 14, 2006


The only downside to the recent Dem victories is the fact that Hillary Clinton feels emboldened, if not downright entitled, to the Dem nomination for 2008.
posted by bardic at 5:05 PM on November 14, 2006


FDR beats Reagan 430-108
Giuliani beats Obama 510-28
Giuliani beats Clark 529-9
McCain beats Clark 529-9
McCain beats Hillary 351-187
Edwards sweeps Gingrich 538-0

So far the Democrats are only ahead if the Republicans run Gingrich or the Democrats build a time machine.

CCleaner beats annoying website restrictions: 511-27
posted by Gary at 5:07 PM on November 14, 2006 [1 favorite]


Dewey defeats Truman
posted by veggieboy at 5:09 PM on November 14, 2006


McCain 510 Obama 28

Obama takes IL, DC and Hawaii. Seems kinda fishy to me (a non-American). Isn't Hawaii Republican-leaning?
posted by Infinite Jest at 5:11 PM on November 14, 2006


McCain beats Al Gore 377 - 161
posted by Derek at 5:16 PM on November 14, 2006


Obama was born in Hawaii.
posted by Richard Daly at 5:17 PM on November 14, 2006


This is all interesting in some way, but fairly silly. I can't envision any scenario where the democrats lose CA and NY, for example. it's just not going to happen in real life.

In fact, I have a hard time picturing it not coming down to OH and FL, just like the last two times. if the democrat wins one of those, s/he wins.
posted by drjimmy11 at 5:20 PM on November 14, 2006


Lamont beats Lieberman

no, I'm kidding
posted by matteo at 5:21 PM on November 14, 2006


Also, Hawaii is fairly democratic- the Democratic senator won with something like 63% of the vote. But the idea of a demorat, any democrat, losing Massachussets, just to name one example, is absurd.
posted by drjimmy11 at 5:22 PM on November 14, 2006


Do the Dems just not have any viable candidates, or is a Republican president especially favored, now that they've lost control of Congress - and how come the Republican slate changes depending on the Democratic challenger?
posted by unmake at 5:27 PM on November 14, 2006


Somehow I'm not surprised that Barak doesn't have a lot of traction in the US.

Me, I thought he was Cardassian. Shows you what I know.
posted by spiderwire at 5:29 PM on November 14, 2006


"Giuliani beating Hillary 354-184? No way. The news said today they'd tie 46% to 46%"

Well, sure, but popular vote percentage isn't necessarily related to electoral vote tally, as we well remember.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 5:30 PM on November 14, 2006


Oh, I misread, clearly as far as paring everyone knows that Condi is a better cook.

Come to think of it, I think all elections should be held Iron Chef style. Tonight's ingredient--immigration! Ooh, that's Iron Chef Rice's specialty. Mmmm. Rice.
posted by spiderwire at 5:32 PM on November 14, 2006


Giuliani beating Hillary 354-184? No way. The news said today they'd tie 46% to 46% [last sentence].

Note these are Electoral College results which do not exactly equate to popular vote totals. As we've all learned the very, very, very hard way.
posted by docgonzo at 5:32 PM on November 14, 2006


Superman 533, Batman 102. He's like, basically invincible.

Well that's just plain wrong. BATMAN ALWAYS WINS.
posted by Artw at 5:33 PM on November 14, 2006


Veggieboy stole my joke, but Al Gore beats Jeb Bush 517 -21.
posted by borkencode at 5:35 PM on November 14, 2006


Superman 533, Batman 102. ... BATMAN ALWAYS WINS.

Batman cheats. That's why he has to fake a heart attack. Good god, how do you think we ended up with 635 electoral votes?
posted by spiderwire at 5:36 PM on November 14, 2006


"Isn't Hawaii Republican-leaning?"

No, it's not. Senators Akaka and Inouye and Representatives Abercrombie and Case are all Democrats.
posted by mistermoore at 5:37 PM on November 14, 2006


Rudy Giuliani beats Joe Biden...

532 to 6.

Biden basically gets... Delaware. Go Delaware!
posted by SmileyChewtrain at 5:48 PM on November 14, 2006 [1 favorite]


Does anybody beat McCain? This is what I'm afraid of. McCain just called for more troops in Iraq. He's a Goldwater hawk, always was. But the myth of integrity will soon wear thin... wear thin I tell ya'.
posted by Phantast at 5:52 PM on November 14, 2006


I'm honestly shocked that SurveyUSA would've wasted this kind of money right around election time. Granted that they're using this as a promotion to draw in subscribers, but this thing has got to have the worst signal to noise ratio of any dataset in the history of modern polling.
posted by aaronetc at 6:21 PM on November 14, 2006


Giuliani, Rice, Hillary, McCain, Gingrich...

Man I better get on the stick and start enjoying this Democratic mid-term victory, because if those represent some of the choices we are all going to have make in 2008, my brothers and sisters, we are all fucked. You'd think in a nation of 300 million we could find at least two candidates who weren't totally nauseating lightweight liars.
posted by psmealey at 6:51 PM on November 14, 2006


Evan Bayh 14, John McCain 524.

This is way off.
posted by matkline at 7:03 PM on November 14, 2006


Also, any calculation involving Obama forgets his middle name is Hussein, which could be used against him devastatingly in my opinion.
posted by matkline at 7:05 PM on November 14, 2006


The crazy thing about McCain is how much he is loathed and absolutely hated by the wing-nuts. From my perspective, he's the ultimate Bush toadie, with a lil' patina of respectability due to his military service and the torture he endured. But seriously, go look up his name at LGF or Freep, or even a more (ahem) respectable place like NRO -- he's a small cut below Hillary Clinton in terms of contemptability from the right, due to the perception that he's "bi-partisan" in working with Dem politicians on occasion. Even with one of the most conservative voting records ever in the Senate.

I think it's truly bizarre myself, but I'm glad he's running if only to contribute to the bloodbath that will be the Republican nomination process for 2008. Brownback and (hopefully) Santorum attacking McCain and Giuliani for being homo-lovers, Frist attacking McCain for being too (lol) librul, etc.

It's gonna be fun.
posted by bardic at 7:21 PM on November 14, 2006


mistermoore: No, it's not. Senators Akaka and Inouye and Representatives Abercrombie and Case are all Democrats.

And I see that Kerry won it in '04. Funny, my memory was totally the other way.

Note to self: before making random comments on MeFi, do at least some basic fact checking....Can I use "I'm at work and not American" as an excuse?

Thanks for the correction, anyway. DrJimmy said what I was trying to say, better.
posted by Infinite Jest at 7:38 PM on November 14, 2006


Condi Rice taking California against Obama? I call bullshit.
posted by ed at 7:49 PM on November 14, 2006


The site says all the polls were done last July. A lot has changed since then, and a lot can happen in the next two years - especially if the Dems comport themselves well.
posted by Benny Andajetz at 8:04 PM on November 14, 2006


Al Gore beats Mitt Romney like a rented mule, 526 to 12!
posted by darkstar at 8:06 PM on November 14, 2006


Infinite Jest: I'm from HI and would be *pissed* if it'd changed so much since I left.
posted by mistermoore at 8:23 PM on November 14, 2006


How do you suppose William Jefferson Clinton of Arkansas would have stacked up in November 1990 against the incumbent president using this technique?

You don't know what will happen once the campaign gets under way. Until then you can talk about name recognition all you want.
posted by George_Spiggott at 8:32 PM on November 14, 2006


Wow, this thing is retarded.
posted by The God Complex at 9:16 PM on November 14, 2006


If anyone is interested in the '08 race from the Republican side, I'll just go ahead and self-link...
posted by Heminator at 9:31 PM on November 14, 2006


Yeah, really incredibly off. As I posted in mydd, this does not account for the likely spoilage from the likely indy run of Bloomberg with the "Unity '08" ultracentrists.
posted by moonbird at 9:45 PM on November 14, 2006


Interesting piece Heminator. It'll be interesting to see how Romney does.
posted by bardic at 10:56 PM on November 14, 2006


Romney beats Warner.
posted by Pollomacho at 12:26 AM on November 15, 2006


Rice beats Sharpton.
posted by Joey Michaels at 12:34 AM on November 15, 2006


Wow. Close. Your peanut butter is in my chocolate just edges out Your chocolate is in my peanut butter, 270 to 268.
posted by Alt F4 at 5:43 AM on November 15, 2006


You can only view one paring for free
Unless you delete the Flash cookie and reload...

Right-click->Settings, set local storage to 0 apply,
reload at will to be able to set a new pairing, and deny any requests for the flash control to save stuff...

Hillary beats Condi; Rock beats scissors
posted by nielm at 6:12 AM on November 15, 2006 [1 favorite]


Giant Douche 1410, Turd Sandwich 36
posted by LordSludge at 7:51 AM on November 15, 2006


Nominating Hillary is at this point the only non-viable strategy the dem's have.

America is not ready for a female president, and certainly nowhere near ready for Hillary.

Of course, if Hillary DID get nominated, the Republicans could make all the history they wanted. They could run a black, a jew, an 18th century vampire, or a glass of milk, and run away with the election over Hillary.

Hillary has no support of any kind from the right, and only marginal support on the left. Her campaign will be dead before it starts. She should be satisfied being a multi-term senator from NY and retiring.

And for those interested, I identify as a strong liberal, and I like Hillary. But she simply has no chance, and I cannot bear to watch the Democratic party throw away another election.

My prediction: President Rudy in '08 by a modestly close popular vote but an electoral landslide, because he'll carry NY, TX, FL, and CA, getting him halfway there without very much effort. However, the big surprise will be pockets of blue in the heartland that have been missing for quite some time.
posted by Ynoxas at 9:39 AM on November 15, 2006 [1 favorite]


Hillary running for president would throw my vote to whoever was running against her.

Her husband was a lying douchebag with a big heart. She is just a lying douchebag.
posted by Megafly at 11:13 AM on November 15, 2006


This is my favorite comment on Hillary so far.
This conservative obsession with Hillary is too intense and irrational to be anything other than a psycho-sexual manifestation of some deep conflict in the conservative unconscious mind.

Oh, if only she were the nominee. What fevered fantasies. The Matriarch they love to hate. The national mother figure, as strong as any man. An object to roil the conservative mind into a boiling cauldron of conflicted emotions. Hillary the Madonna, Hillary the witch, with mysterious magical powers. A natural vessel to receive the deeply suppressed anger the against a society inexorably abandoning traditional values. The conservative male ideal of the strong father and nurturing mother giving way to the powerful, liberated feminist woman. Evil feminists, the emasculators, the dominators -- deeply frightening, but somehow strangely alluring.

If only she were the nominee!

aa

P.S. Let the Cons continue their Hillary obsession -- encourage it -- and watch their heads explode when Barack gets the nomination.
posted by goethean at 4:04 PM on November 15, 2006


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