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The Seminole Tribe of Florida was one of the few tribes never to sign a peace treaty or surrender to the U.S. government, hiding out in Florida's swamps and living in poverty. In 1979, they pioneered Indian Gaming, fighting in the courts and Congress for tribal sovereignty to allow gambling in their bingo halls. And now? They bought Hard Rock Cafe on December 7, for $965 million.
posted by dilettante (30 comments total) 2 users marked this as a favorite
But they're being sued over possible collusion in the sale, so void where prohibited by law, etc.
posted by dilettante at 5:59 PM on January 2, 2007

Weird, I could have sworn this was a double, but maybe not. Interesting stuff about the Seminoles though. I didn't know that they had never signed a treaty or surrendered.

posted by quin at 6:02 PM on January 2, 2007

Does this make them a "Seminole influence" on rock-themed restaurants?

posted by ZenMasterThis at 6:06 PM on January 2, 2007 [2 favorites]

posted by docgonzo at 6:29 PM on January 2, 2007

One of the best bumper stickers I ever saw. I cant remember the Indian Nation, so I will use Seminole.
"Seminole Nation, fighting terrorism since 1492."
posted by BillsR100 at 6:37 PM on January 2, 2007

"Seminole Nation, fighting terrorism since 1492."

Actually the Seminoles didn't exist until the early 1700s, they were the remnants of tribes from Georgia that had survived the mass die-offs of the 16th and 17th centuries, %90+ mortality rate. But it's better than the %100 mortality rate the native Florida indians suffered, who were wiped off the face of the planet. Which is too bad because based on Hernando de Soto's descriptions they sounded pretty cool.
posted by stbalbach at 6:52 PM on January 2, 2007

The original didn't mention the Seminoles or any other tribe.
posted by jefgodesky at 7:05 PM on January 2, 2007

Wired recently had an article about the Seminoles called "Blood feud".
posted by dawiz at 7:12 PM on January 2, 2007

The Seminoles also hosted the best party I've ever been to.
posted by muckster at 7:48 PM on January 2, 2007

A friend of mine that works at DHS found a tee-shirt on an Apache reservation in New Mexico that said "Homeland Security, fighting terrorism since 1492" and had a picture of a group of warriors.
posted by Pollomacho at 7:53 PM on January 2, 2007 [1 favorite]

The kids' costumes looked like the sort of thing I've seen in pictures from Guatemala.
posted by jason's_planet at 8:07 PM on January 2, 2007

jefgodesky and Pollomacho: The original picture is probably of Apaches - I'm pretty sure that's a picture of Geronimo and his group.
posted by dilettante at 8:07 PM on January 2, 2007

My fave:

"Fuck Columbus" (on front); on back: "He was lost."
posted by docgonzo at 8:13 PM on January 2, 2007 [1 favorite]

Now that we have lured them out of the swamps, we've got them right where we want them.
posted by Flunkie at 8:32 PM on January 2, 2007

fyi: those warriors on that "homeland security" t-shirt?

geronimo's men.
posted by jcterminal at 8:32 PM on January 2, 2007

any links to said t-shirts?
posted by foot at 8:39 PM on January 2, 2007

Chief Osceola, or Billy Powell, the child of a Muscogee Indian woman and an English trader was the leader of the Seminole Indians against the US government during the early 1800's. Although they were vastly outnumbered, the Seminoles' stand off lasted for 10 years.

The Seminole tribe in Florida is also involved in dispute with Florida State University and the NCAA. In it, NCAA demands from FSU to give up its long held and widely used insignia (the mascot Chief Osceola, and the nickname itself). But the Seminole tribe is actually... supporting the University and not the Athletic Association. The governor has weighed in.
posted by carmina at 8:47 PM on January 2, 2007

The NCAA is no longer in any dispute with FSU over that "issue." FSU shows respect and honor to the tribe, the tribe agrees, and the NCAA withdrew from a preliminary position reflected in the previous post. The above post is old, moot, "news."
posted by swlabr at 9:10 PM on January 2, 2007

Actually, the link above is from AP, dated November 2006. The article explains that NCAA withdrew its demands under litigation threats. This is why Jeb Bush had to step in indicating he would use legislature measures to overcome NCAA's case.

As a Seminole fan myself, I would hate to see Chief Osceola going, but NCAA has a serious point.
posted by carmina at 9:19 PM on January 2, 2007

any links to said t-shirts?

They sell them here in Madison, WI downtown in a shop on State Street called "Shakti". Unless you're a local, I doubt that does anything for you. We got one for my son for Christmas.
posted by thanotopsis at 11:03 PM on January 2, 2007

Front: Homeland Securitaeh
Back: Fighting Teh Libral Surplus since 2001

No really, why are they buying such an overpriced , under recognized brand which is spitting just 31M a year ? To get all of Jimi's guitar ? I mean no offence, but who is Jimi ? Hit me with Paris
posted by elpapacito at 2:32 AM on January 3, 2007

Link to the t-shirt.
posted by ZenMasterThis at 4:38 AM on January 3, 2007

God, I love that shirt. I saw a truck once with a bumper sticker that said "My Grandpa Killed Custer" and to this day I want whoever drove that truck to show up on my side the next time I'm in a fight.
posted by XQUZYPHYR at 8:26 AM on January 3, 2007

The original picture is probably of Apaches - I'm pretty sure that's a picture of Geronimo and his group.

You're probably right, but it doesn't mention any tribe, though apparently Bill Cosby showed up at the Seminoles' casino wearing one, which might lend a bit more to the confusion.
posted by jefgodesky at 9:46 AM on January 3, 2007

Indians get ripped off yet again...
posted by Mister_A at 11:22 AM on January 3, 2007

Your favorite tribally-owned theme restaurant sucks.
posted by ericbop at 1:50 PM on January 3, 2007

I prefer my presidential speeches in this format (As posted previously).
posted by ericbop at 2:10 PM on January 3, 2007

whoops. wrong thread. sorry, everyone.
posted by ericbop at 2:18 PM on January 3, 2007

jefgodesky, thanks for the West Wind tshirt link. I've been thinking about getting a Homeland Security shirt for a while but I'm glad I waited. A knockoff isn't exactly in keeping with the spirit of the message. I'd much rather buy from the original artist:

in keeping with the traditional, sleezy European custom of stealing everything we have, sabotaging us, and giving nothing back, RAA (Real American A-holes) conned me into having them print the shirts (like you would pay Kinko's to print your manuscripts) and ripped my complete design off in violation of copyright law.
posted by cybercoitus interruptus at 4:17 PM on January 3, 2007

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