Barack's roots start showing
March 4, 2007 2:08 PM   Subscribe

0wned
Some members of the African American community have said Barack Obama doesn't represent them because his family has no history of slavery. But we now know that is not true - his family used to own loads of them.
posted by w0mbat (98 comments total) 2 users marked this as a favorite
 
Every post has a point. What is this one's?
posted by facetious at 2:11 PM on March 4, 2007


Every post has a point. What is this one's?

That the Obama-Clinton mudfight is going to be an entertaining one?
posted by Skeptic at 2:16 PM on March 4, 2007


Hmm. Someone in his ancestry once owned slaves. This is different than any other American politician how?
posted by yeloson at 2:17 PM on March 4, 2007 [4 favorites]


It's interesting that UK papers are posting articles about the US candidates.
posted by smackfu at 2:19 PM on March 4, 2007


That's a great article: points out that Strom Thurmond owned Al Sharpton's ancestors. Ignores the fact that Strom Thurmond never owned any slaves (presumably, they meant his ancestors, if in fact they meant anything at all); ignores Thurmond's mid-career flip-flop that made him one of the Senate's strongest voices for integration in the Seventies; ignores, in fact, anything that any reasonable person might care to learn from a news source.

Does point out that the headliner of the article - the fact that Obama's many-times-removed ancestor owned slaves - is unlikely to affect anything in 2007.

I'd like to nominate this article as a prime exemplar of the class of thoroughly useless things.
posted by ikkyu2 at 2:20 PM on March 4, 2007 [6 favorites]


The cool thing is, Obama can now say he owned and was owned by Strom Thurmond's family. Win-win!
posted by fandango_matt at 2:20 PM on March 4, 2007


I don't think anyone would dispute that lots and lots of slave-owners' chromosomes are hitching rides in African American populations today. At the very least, the median skin color and facial features of black Americans are very, very different from those of the African populations from which they derive.

So... how is this news significant exactly? Other than that various prominent African Americans seem bound and determined to take potshots at Obama?
posted by killdevil at 2:21 PM on March 4, 2007


Also interesting to note is that Obama's father's ancestors owned some of Strom Thurmond's ancestors, during the controversial "Opposite Day" year of 1625 (rarely taught in American schools), in which Belgian explorers to Kenya were enslaved and forced to work in banana fields. Al Sharpton's ancestors were also involved, and it has come to be learned that they enslaved the Cherokee people of North America - rumor has it that they were shipped to America four hundred years BC, crowded into the backs of the ships of the lost tribes of Israel (further details can be found in the Book of Mormon). If we were to go back even further, we can find that the descendants of Noah's children enslaved the descendants of Adam's children, and since Cain shot Abel, people have different languages, or something.

Regardless of all that, I think B. Hussein Obama should be stripped of his skin and sent back to that madrassa in Indonesia that he seemed to love so much.
posted by billysumday at 2:22 PM on March 4, 2007 [19 favorites]


Flagged for being a crappy post about a widely known (if not very interesting) news story from a few days ago. With no tags.

You know, Obama talked about this issue in his address in Selma today (where Hillary is also speaking). You know how I happen to know that? By reading *today's* news!
posted by washburn at 2:24 PM on March 4, 2007


Wow. I guess the whole Thurmond-Sharpton kurfuffle isn't going to be the most pointless revelation about slavery this week.

Seriously, how does this equate to Obama being "0wned?" Has he ever owned a slave? Has he ever spoken positively about slavery? Unless you're confident that no one in the past six or seven generations of your family has ever done anything bad, ever, sniggering about this bit of history makes you look like an idiot.
posted by EarBucket at 2:24 PM on March 4, 2007


Racist FPPs always end well.
posted by ninjew at 2:25 PM on March 4, 2007


Bad post. The election is 2 years away. I don't think we need to indulge every mud-slinging hit piece about politicians, especially when they are just a news article (used 2x in the post) that relies on the work of an "amateur genealogist." The issue of race in national elections can be an interesting one, and I'm sure there have been compelling things written about it. This post isn't such a topic. It's two incendiary (not black enough! slave owner!) views about a candidate that smacks of "hit piece." We shouldn't indulge such things.
posted by dios at 2:25 PM on March 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


The problem is that 'black' isn't enough of a distinction here. Saying that the half-Kenyan Obama is black just like an African-American descended from slaves is akin to saying an Irish American is the same as an Italian American because they're both white. It's just not true, and it's an unfair comparison - as yeloson says above. Any grouping due to skin colour alone is phenomenally ignorant and racist, regardless of those who are doing it. Plus, holding one responsible for the actions of one's ancestors is nothing but counterproductive. One should be judged based on their own actions.
posted by jimmythefish at 2:30 PM on March 4, 2007


All genealogy is amateurishly flawed. There is no certainty on anyone's father. Multiply that uncertainty by enough generations and it approaches a certainty that everyone's nominal genealogy is wrong.
posted by Brian B. at 2:33 PM on March 4, 2007 [2 favorites]


smackfu: "It's interesting that UK papers are posting articles about the US candidates."

We like to read about the rest of the world - it's one of our whimsical British idiosyncrasies.
posted by Drexen at 2:38 PM on March 4, 2007 [20 favorites]


[not the best of the web]
posted by gen at 2:39 PM on March 4, 2007



As lame (not your post, this so-called "story") as The NY Times continued lambasting (even today) of Hillary for not "apologizing" for her supporting the war.
posted by wfc123 at 2:39 PM on March 4, 2007


I'd also add that Obama's family on his father's side probably also owned slaves at some time in history. It isn't as if slavery was unheard of in Africa before the European started shipping half the population to the Americas...

And then, if we dig deep enough, probably all of us have ancestors who either owned or were owned by other people at some time in history.

Homo homini lupus...
posted by Skeptic at 2:42 PM on March 4, 2007


Uh, if you go that far back you're going to have hundreds of ancestors to choose from. 2^7+2^6+2^5+2^4+2^3+2^2+2 = 254 grandparents. Not to mention other relatives. Out of a group that big, over hundreds of years, some of them did some bad things. SO. VERY. SHOCKING.
posted by Skwirl at 2:49 PM on March 4, 2007


[this is suckfilter]
posted by loquacious at 2:52 PM on March 4, 2007


...ignores Thurmond's mid-career flip-flop that made him one of the Senate's strongest voices for integration in the Seventies

How could that happen? That's like an article about Barry Goldwater that leaves out his complete 180 degree turn on women's suffrage in the 1950s or an article about Harry Truman that ignores his courageous stand against Prohibition in 1947.
posted by euphorb at 2:56 PM on March 4, 2007 [5 favorites]


I'll tell you what: if Al Gore DOES actually declare his candidacy in six months or so, he will have already won the Good Taste Primary for not having foisted his presidential campaign on us way, way, way too early.
posted by darkstar at 2:58 PM on March 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


This is probably bad news for Barack Obama.
posted by Simon! at 2:58 PM on March 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


Man, see, that was sort of funny in my head, but written down it just looks like I seriously think this is a serious, important news story.
posted by Simon! at 2:59 PM on March 4, 2007


See, it's a reference to a post from before the 2004 election. And it was, you know. A bad post.
posted by Simon! at 2:59 PM on March 4, 2007


About John Kerry, not Barack Obama.
posted by Simon! at 2:59 PM on March 4, 2007


I don't actually think that this is probably bad news for Barack Obama.
posted by Simon! at 3:00 PM on March 4, 2007


I don't like some of Obama Barack's voting record, but even I know this is a smear job. Flagged.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 3:00 PM on March 4, 2007


And here I thought that whole corruption of blood thing was done away with by the constitution.
posted by grouse at 3:03 PM on March 4, 2007


If you go back far enough and have the patience to cross oceans, jungles, and deserts, you will find everybody can trace a relationship to an ancestor that owned slaves.
posted by tkchrist at 3:05 PM on March 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


Plus, holding one responsible for the actions of one's ancestors is nothing but counterproductive.

I agree, UNLESS the candidate believes that their ancestory is morally superior in some way, such as Mitt Romney does.
posted by Brian B. at 3:05 PM on March 4, 2007


Osama pwn3d.
posted by mr_crash_davis at 3:08 PM on March 4, 2007


I hate bitchfests about who's blacker than who.
posted by scarabic at 3:12 PM on March 4, 2007


Plus, holding one responsible for the actions of one's ancestors is nothing but counterproductive.

I agree, UNLESS the candidate believes that their ancestory is morally superior in some way, such as Mitt Romney does.


I think you mean Joe Lieberman. (oh noes he di'nt)
posted by billysumday at 3:16 PM on March 4, 2007


I am so glad that we are staying focused on the issues for the upcoming presidential elections.
posted by Joey Michaels at 3:22 PM on March 4, 2007


An ancestor of Obama's FUCKING ENSLAVED a cadre of inoffensive, helpless proteobacteria!

Don't believe what you hear! They're not happy symbionts!
posted by killdevil at 3:23 PM on March 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


I think you mean Joe Lieberman. (oh noes he di'nt)

Joe is exempt because he was created in a lab by the insurance industry as the six-million-dollar-man-legislator-lobbyist.
posted by Brian B. at 3:28 PM on March 4, 2007


(makes six-million-dollar-man noise while reaching for another beer in the fridge...)
posted by billysumday at 3:29 PM on March 4, 2007


We can't trace him back to Hitler, can we?
posted by graventy at 3:31 PM on March 4, 2007


We can't trace him back to Hitler, can we?

Ask the amateur genealogist to go back far enough to their common ancestors. Nobody will know the difference.
posted by Brian B. at 3:33 PM on March 4, 2007


Obama can neutralize this whole, silly mess by simply paying himself reparations.
posted by ZenMasterThis at 3:39 PM on March 4, 2007 [8 favorites]


As I read your headline, w0mbat, What¿ Blood¿ Must be a Brit.
Then it pointed to the Guardian, who give a hang about the Queen and blood...
I'd abolish our own Governor General, representative of the Queen¿ What year Is this, Dorothy¿

As If it matters much. You were saying¿
Let the bottom line be which one reprazents best, The AfroAmerican, The Hispanic or the Woman. See...doesn't make a difference.
What they are saying is what's important, but obviously, right¿
posted by alicesshoe at 3:40 PM on March 4, 2007


Yeah, this isn't exciting news and two of those links are to the same article. I'm going to go try and remember some more countries of the world.
posted by inconsequentialist at 3:44 PM on March 4, 2007


Pwnd!
posted by Balisong at 3:46 PM on March 4, 2007


See, it's a reference to a post from before the 2004 election. And it was, you know. A bad post.

It might have been more clever had you nailed the syntax.
posted by Kwantsar at 3:47 PM on March 4, 2007


We like to read about the rest of the world - it's one of our whimsical British idiosyncrasies.

I guess that's what happens when your government stops the reporting on your own news.
posted by smackfu at 3:48 PM on March 4, 2007


Why is there nothing about the sex slave Obama keeps in a pit in his garage to this very day?
posted by Astro Zombie at 3:50 PM on March 4, 2007 [3 favorites]


This post is so pointless.
posted by KokuRyu at 3:51 PM on March 4, 2007


Wait, who is this "Obama" person? He's running for President, you say? And he's holding Al Sharpton as a sex slave in a pit? Huh?
posted by miss lynnster at 4:01 PM on March 4, 2007


Given the amount of slave owners fucking slaves, I would imagine that lots of African Americans are descended from slaves and slave owners.

I'm getting fucking tired of hearing about Barak Obama's ethnicity. It was interesting for a while, but this is just getting old.
posted by delmoi at 4:05 PM on March 4, 2007


My post OWNED your post and was 25% pointlessier.
posted by Dizzy at 4:06 PM on March 4, 2007


so what if he isn't black enough? cafe au lait colored scions of slaveowners have as much right to run for president as anyone else, and they should be judged on their positions. the blacker-than-thou crowd should be happy that someone other than a wonder bread guy finally has a chance.
posted by bruce at 4:06 PM on March 4, 2007


Ok, since this thread for some reason doesn't seem to be going away: today in Selma, AL Obama addressed the question of whether he's "black enough" pretty head-on, and also the thing about his mom's great great great great grandfather.

(Oh and he says a word or two about civil rights too, for those interested in that sort of thing...).

You can read the speech he gave in Selma today here.
posted by washburn at 4:08 PM on March 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


Listen. And understand. Barack Obama is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.
posted by swell at 4:12 PM on March 4, 2007 [2 favorites]


his family used to own loads of them.

The article indicates his family owned two of them. and we're talking about one person six generations back, or one out of 127 ancestors at that level. If you go two more levels back, you get 18 slaves, out of a total of 511 people in his family tree.

The problem is that 'black' isn't enough of a distinction here. Saying that the half-Kenyan Obama is black just like an African-American descended from slaves is akin to saying an Irish American is the same as an Italian American because they're both white.

Is there really that much of a difference between a white with an Italian last name and one with an Irish last name, beyond the normal distance between any two people? I would imagine that an Irish and Italian American from Texas would have more in common then the same pair from NYC.

It's just not true, and it's an unfair comparison - as yeloson says above. Any grouping due to skin colour alone is phenomenally ignorant and racist, regardless of those who are doing it.

Are you saying it's somehow more ignorant or racist then any other genealogical grouping?

We can't trace him back to Hitler, can we?

Hitler had no kids. His brother and their children are living in the U.S, though.
posted by delmoi at 4:18 PM on March 4, 2007


The real question, of course, is how Obama can be connected to Kevin Bacon.
posted by greatgefilte at 4:20 PM on March 4, 2007 [2 favorites]


Can you stop it?
posted by aerotive at 4:20 PM on March 4, 2007


I have to say, it's encouraging that this kind of weak tea is the best the Republican noise machine seems to be able to come up with to throw at Obama. I'm looking forward to eighteen months of hearing about how sometimes he doesn't screw the toothpaste cap all the way back on, and one time when he was seventeen he got a speeding ticket, and the sister of this guy who sorta knew his roommate back in college is a total slut.
posted by EarBucket at 4:26 PM on March 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


I shudder to think that we've got two more years of shit posts like that in front of us.
posted by c13 at 4:27 PM on March 4, 2007


That does it. I'm voting for Bush.
posted by fungible at 4:38 PM on March 4, 2007 [2 favorites]


this bullshit is not coming from the republicans. It's coming from the Clintons.
posted by empath at 4:44 PM on March 4, 2007


You know, compared to other folks inthe grat big world, Americans have a really, really specific weird thing about race.:

He also found out that Obama's great-great-great-great-great-grandmother, Mary Duvall, also owned a pair of slaves listed in an 1850 census record

This is a guy whose father was a Kenyan Grad student. But by American legalism, he has to answer for his mom's DNA ...

If he has some untold sin to reveal, tell it to the Cherokees.
posted by zaelic at 4:47 PM on March 4, 2007



The real question, of course, is how Obama can be connected to Kevin Bacon.
Fairly easily: Obama --> Hillary Clinton --> Bill Clinton --> Kevin Bacon.
posted by fuse theorem at 5:24 PM on March 4, 2007


but hes not really black so its ok rite?
posted by goodnewsfortheinsane at 5:25 PM on March 4, 2007


From Barack Obama's speech this morning at Brown AME, Selma, AL:

Yet something happened back here in Selma, Alabama. Something happened in Birmingham that sent out what Bobby Kennedy called, "Ripples of hope all around the world." Something happened when a bunch of women decided they were going to walk instead of ride the bus after a long day of doing somebody else's laundry, looking after somebody else's children. When men who had PhD's decided that's enough and we're going to stand up for our dignity.

That sent a shout across oceans so that my grandfather began to imagine something different for his son. His son, who grew up herding goats in a small village in Africa could suddenly set his sights a little higher and believe that maybe a black man in this world had a chance.

What happened in Selma, Alabama and Birmingham also stirred the conscience of the nation. It worried folks in the White House who said, "You know, we're battling Communism. How are we going to win hearts and minds all across the world? If right here in our own country, John, we're not observing the ideals set fort in our Constitution, we might be accused of being hypocrites." So the Kennedy's decided we're going to do an air lift. We're going to go to Africa and start bringing young Africans over to this country and give them scholarships to study so they can learn what a wonderful country America is.

This young man named Barack Obama got one of those tickets and came over to this country. He met this woman whose great great-great-great-grandfather had owned slaves; but she had a good idea there was some craziness going on because they looked at each other and they decided that we know that the world as it has been it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child. There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge.

So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.

So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama.

posted by grabbingsand at 5:37 PM on March 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


People, can we all just ignore the word "0wn3d" and hope it dies a quick death? I beseech you all.
posted by zardoz at 5:38 PM on March 4, 2007



We like to read about the rest of the world - it's one of our whimsical British idiosyncrasies.


But of course, most of it used to be your empire.

(sorry, just too easy)
posted by jonmc at 5:44 PM on March 4, 2007


Actually, the Republicans are claiming it's coming from the Clintons. There are two competing factions in the GOP and its cover groups: One doesn't want Hillary to win the nomination because they think she can win the election, so they're lying about her. The other wants Hillary to win the nomination because they think she can't win the election, so they're lying on her behalf. It's going to be an entertaining campaign.
posted by wendell at 5:49 PM on March 4, 2007


Gee, it's lucky for today's "all-white" politicians that none of them had any slave-owning ancestors, eh?

And by the way, we Americans learned our "fixation" on race from our British former colonizers (and in many cases ancestors). Before Jamestown the English were "racist" against the Irish.
posted by davy at 5:52 PM on March 4, 2007


"The real question, of course, is how Obama can be connected to Kevin Bacon.Fairly easily: Obama --> Hillary Clinton --> Bill Clinton --> Kevin Bacon."

Close.

Obama -> HIllary -> Bill -> Bacon, Lettuce, and Tomato Sandwich -> Kevin Bacon
posted by mr_crash_davis at 5:58 PM on March 4, 2007 [2 favorites]


By the way, see the Wikipedia article on White people. What jumps out at you? (Don't look at me, I'm not allowed ANY bullets.)
posted by davy at 6:03 PM on March 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


Barack Obama was in The Harlem Globetrotters: The Team That Changed the World with Samuel L. Jackson, who was in Boffo! Tinseltown's Bombs and Blockbusters with Kevin Bacon.
posted by kirkaracha at 6:12 PM on March 4, 2007 [11 favorites]


Barack Obama was in The Harlem Globetrotters: The Team That Changed the World with Samuel L. Jackson, who was in Boffo! Tinseltown's Bombs and Blockbusters with Kevin Bacon.

Now that's a motherfucking best answer.
posted by grouse at 6:20 PM on March 4, 2007


We are all descendants of the ancient proto-humans who wiped out all other forms of proto-human. Are we all guilty of genocide? Should we all start moving to the Hague to stand trial?
posted by tehloki at 7:23 PM on March 4, 2007


ikkyu2: ... ignores Thurmond's mid-career flip-flop that made him one of the Senate's strongest voices for integration in the Seventies

I think you are being more than a bit generous to Strom. Thurman was the most vicious segregationist of the past century. He actually ran for President on the platform of segregation forever. He is most famous for holding the record for the longest filibuster in Senate history in order to block the 1964 Civil Rights Bill. It was only after blacks got the right to vote in the South that Thurman realized that he would have to change strategy. And somewhat softening his views as a senile old man in his mid-70s hardly qualifies as mid-career. At least Robert Byrd gave it up as a teenager. Strongest voice in the Senate? That is pretty insulting to the many more progressive members of the Senate thwarted by Thurman for so many years. Perhaps you mean one voice standing out in a segregationist Republican Party.
posted by JackFlash at 7:26 PM on March 4, 2007


Obama took this and spun it to his advantage. Already. And addressed the "experience" question at the same time. It'll take way more than BS like this to sink him, he is way too quick.
posted by nathancaswell at 8:04 PM on March 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


Even though I think the USA has the most entertaining government in the world, I suspect the time between now and the next presidential election is going to be full of throwaway political victories like this. This confuses and draws attention away from a lot of things that affect everyday people. I cry for democratic government.
posted by Deep Dish at 8:17 PM on March 4, 2007


This information amounts to a mere curiosity, repercussions = none. Our next president is going to be a woman who can't settle on a hairstyle, and I will be among those who voted for her. And no, not Oprah.
posted by longsleeves at 8:42 PM on March 4, 2007


Britney? Because I don't think she's yet announced her candidacy.
posted by arto at 8:45 PM on March 4, 2007


even I know this is a smear job

Actually, William Reitwiesner -- though they bill him as "an amateur genealogical researcher" -- is published and works for the Library of Congress (though apparently genealogy is not among his primary duties). I consider it pretty reliable.

The fascinating thing about his exceptionally researched ancestry trees are the side trips he takes (towards the end) showing other interesting descendants. For Obama, that includes the Bushes (yes); John Hinckley (distant relationship to the Bushes long known); Dick Cheney; Robert Byrd, John Glenn, Evan Bayh and Howard Dean; Lon Chaney, Katharine Hepburn, Brad Pitt and John Ritter; and JonBenet Ramsey and Justin Timberlake.

We're talking 6th, 8th, or 10th cousins, of course. But I think there's something interesting there about how connected we all are. *cries*
posted by dhartung at 8:46 PM on March 4, 2007


at least Obama's not a faggot.
posted by pruner at 8:46 PM on March 4, 2007 [1 favorite]


Issues like this make me hate America.
posted by Gnostic Novelist at 9:03 PM on March 4, 2007


I hope it warms up tomorrow.
posted by wrapper at 9:09 PM on March 4, 2007


I consider it pretty reliable.

That may or may not be true, but to me the timing seems, well, suspect.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 9:29 PM on March 4, 2007


how the hell is this thread still here?
posted by spiderwire at 10:46 PM on March 4, 2007


Hey, everybody make sure to drink enough water every day.
posted by sklero at 10:53 PM on March 4, 2007


So, who's up for a thread that discovers his middle name?

C'mon! Let's go, people!
posted by washburn at 11:15 PM on March 4, 2007


Oh, for god's sake.
posted by moonbiter at 11:17 PM on March 4, 2007


Before Jamestown the English were "racist" against the Irish.

We still are in a comedy sort of way, but in a much more serious way it allows us to hate Australia too.
posted by vbfg at 1:44 AM on March 5, 2007


Obama -> HIllary -> Bill -> Bacon, Lettuce, and Tomato Sandwich -> Kevin BaconThis is almost perfect.

at least Obama's not a faggot.This is perfect. I was wondering when someone would reference that.

Does anyone know what the flight velocity of a sparrow is?
posted by fuse theorem at 4:25 AM on March 5, 2007


This is exactly why I dislike Germans and asteroids.
posted by VulcanMike at 5:29 AM on March 5, 2007


smackfu : I guess that's what happens when your government stops the reporting on your own news.

Heh, heh.
posted by Drexen at 5:32 AM on March 5, 2007


No, I love this article, it sets a great precedent: If our running for president, lets just (a) count how many slaves your family owned back 200 years and (b) count how many workers your family has underpaid back 100 years. And lets all just vote for the guy for whome a + b/10 is minimal? I'm sure this'lll solve many problems in American politics.
posted by jeffburdges at 6:44 AM on March 5, 2007


“The news comes at a time when Obama is engaged in a fierce battle with Senator Hillary Clinton to woo black voters...”

Oh, I’m sooo surprised. What a shock. Wow.

You know who else used to own slaves?
Thomas Jefferson.

“We like to read about the rest of the world - it's one of our whimsical British idiosyncrasies.”

Like keeping spy cameras on people 24/7 and shouting at them from loudspeakers. Meh. We’ll be doing that too soon enough.
posted by Smedleyman at 10:45 AM on March 5, 2007


/tangent - I thought Sharpton took an excellent tack on the whole thing. He seems to have mellowed and matured into a more serious individual. Years ago I think he might have exploited the whole Strom thing, he was a bit more hyperbolic. Now he seems to have taken a broader view, the whole “It wasn’t that long ago. It was ubiquitous. It’s nice it’s over. But we have a long way to go” thing.
posted by Smedleyman at 10:50 AM on March 5, 2007


Smedleyman: "Like keeping spy cameras on people 24/7 and shouting at them from loudspeakers. Meh. We’ll be doing that too soon enough."

Hey, I'm no fan of that stuff either, and I didn't mean to imply that the UK is at all perfect. (Although I do think our press coverage of the government is less stymied than smackfu implies.) The original statement just seemed odd enough to warrant a jab. :)
posted by Drexen at 11:10 AM on March 5, 2007


How many iterations of "great" must there be in one's history until that ancestor is rendered moot? Seriously - his mom's great, great, great, great grandfather? How many living relatives must that guy have by now?
posted by The Light Fantastic at 1:46 PM on March 5, 2007


“...odd enough to warrant a jab”

Yoo Kay? Whassat, like one of them energy drinks you see at skate parks and monster truck rallies?

Oh, sure, fair enough. Meant mine playfully as well. Metafilter needs an inflection whammy bar. And indeed our fates do seem rather co-mingled so why not take an interest.
posted by Smedleyman at 2:02 PM on March 5, 2007


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