Cryptome Shutdown
May 1, 2007 8:48 PM   Subscribe

Excuse me? Wha? No cryptome?

I'm speechless.
posted by wierdo at 8:56 PM on May 1, 2007

Did he post that 09etc. thingy?
posted by fleetmouse at 9:03 PM on May 1, 2007

It's bullshit Verio isn't telling him why it's dropping his service (and anyone who uses Verio after this is a fool), but he shouldn't have any trouble finding a different hosting service. There are lots of them, both here and in other countries, that would be fine hosting Cryptome. I hope I'm not being naive, but really, there's lots of other similar stuff being hosted at various places, isn't there?
posted by mediareport at 9:05 PM on May 1, 2007

That sucks - I've read that site for years.
posted by trondant at 9:13 PM on May 1, 2007

well, they lost their service provider. They'll get another one, I'm sure.
posted by delmoi at 9:14 PM on May 1, 2007

via the site a couple days ago: Cryptome correspondence with ISPs.
posted by acro at 9:16 PM on May 1, 2007

copy of the link
posted by acro at 9:19 PM on May 1, 2007

From the article:

Young -- a 72-year-old

posted by davejay at 9:33 PM on May 1, 2007

Here's the most interesting comment that I saw when this hit SlashDot yesterday:

"I suspect what happened was that someone in the US government saw something they didn't like, and sent a National Security Letter or other such silliness to Verio. Verio of course can't legally disclose that, but given that Verio had been always been very forthright with John Young in the past but is being tight-lipped about the situation now, I think it's quite possible that something like this is behind Verio's actions." [link]
posted by intermod at 9:48 PM on May 1, 2007 [1 favorite]

/cryptome-shut.htm (relieve pressure on crypyome servers)
posted by acro at 9:49 PM on May 1, 2007

updates from cryptome @ second FPP link
1 May 2007. A. writes:

I couldn't help but notice that Verio issued the shutdown notice on the same day that you posted the first information from the Coast Guard Deepwater program debacle.

Is is possible that either the Coast Guard or Lockheed is behind shutting you down?

cg-unmet.htm + Coast Guard Unmet TEMPEST Requirements April 23, 2007
cg-ugly.htm + Ugly Questions for Coast Guard on TEMPEST April 22, 2007
cg-leakage2.htm + Michael DeKort on Coast Guard TEMPEST Leakage April 22, 2007
cg-leakage.htm + James Atkinson on Coast Guard TEMPEST Leakage April 21, 2007
cg-screwup.htm + Coast Guard Big Time Screw Up April 20, 2007


A, you hit the nail on the head. The Deepwater expose, and attempts to conceal it, point to the prime suspect for the shutdown. Verio would not buckle for anything less, based on past practice, and are probably hoping the shutdown would be seen for what it really is: they've been ordered not to disclose anything which would call attention to the Deepwater material and its threat to national security.

The congressional folks may have more to demand answers about suppressing Deepwater: subpoena Verio, show the defense cartel's dirty fighting is getting dirtier.

The archived Deepwater material will be posted shortly.

BTW, somebody today sent a note about how widespread TEMPEST inadequacy is in the military, with examples (below).

A2 writes:

Having worked in the private sector contracting low voltage systems to all military agencies for more than 20 years I can categorically state that USCG, USN, US Army, USAF, and USMC all have violations regarding TEMPEST requirements in their land facilities.

I have personally witnessed the following:

Audio inter-communications systems with remote door release.

Copper connected exterior telephones and "door bell" buttons with remote door or gate strike control lines.

EPABX lines to non secure base private and military telco switches.

EPABX dock side lines to cutter TEMPEST to non secure base private and military switches.

CATV coaxial cable feeds to provide TV service to TEMPEST operations personnel.

CCTV video coaxial cables and non shielded twisted pair control lines, and CAT 5 cables to exterior camera systems outside the TEMPEST.

Unfiltered copper cables for DC and data cables to non secure FACP's and radio reporting transmitters exterior to TEMPEST.

Utilizing copper conductors entering and or exiting a TEMPEST must be filtered, routed through an approved TEMPEST entry cabinet, installed in secure conduits and or converted to fiber optic transmission systems to eliminate EM radiation outside TEMPEST's, SCIFS's and HEMPS.

Bearing this in mind I think tempest leakage aboard USCG cutters to be a minor infraction of security standards.

And this strange message from Verio:

Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 18:30:12 GMT
To: jya[at]
From: service[at]
Subject: Account iptest was terminated

The account iptest was terminated on 01-MAY-2007.

Reason: This server account was ordered to the wrong customer

- Verio Web Hosting Support

1 May 2007. Add Verio messages. Danna Thompson is indeed stonewalling for whatever undisclosable reason to terminate service in contrast to previous Verio notifications since 1999. This never-to-be-explained self-gagging by ISPs has become characteristic around the net due to covert and open governmental, commercial and personal aggressions to suppress information. Librarians and lawyers, among others, battling to overturn clamps on information, have learned to exhibit coded signals to the public to indicate undisclosable measures to suppress. Could be that is what Danna and Verio are signaling. We've received over 30 offers to host Cryptome in several countries and will accept most to disperse the collection as protection against future shutdowns.

From: Justin Aldridge
Subject: Re: [IDS-9159122] [] - Other - Explain Below
To: jya[at]
Date:Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:38:08 -0400 (EDT)


Please refer to our Acceptable Use Policy. Unfortunately, at the technical
support level, we cannot provide you with any further information about the

Acceptable Use Policy:

Verio Technical Support

==== Excerpt from your message received 4/30/2007 11:19:49 MDT ====
>Fyi - we do not provide the customer with any details regarding the
>termination of our AUP - we can refer them to the AUP and more than
>likely they already know why -
>Best Regards,
>Danna Thompson
>Legal Department

From: Paul Henrichsen
Subject: Re: [IDS-9159122] [] - Other - Explain Below
To: jya[at]
Date:Mon, 30 Apr 2007 08:43:23 -0400 (EDT)

Dear John:

Thank you for contacting Verio technical support about the termination
notice you received. Your reference number for this case remains IDS-9159122.
Please include the unaltered reference number in the subject line of any
additional emails you send regarding this issue.

I have been unable to determine what the nature of the Acceptable Use Policy
violation was. I have forwarded this case to our abuse team. I hope they
can fill you in on the specifics of the violation.

Your business is greatly appreciated. If there is anything Verio can do to
further assist you, please contact us anytime.

Paul Henrichsen
Verio Customer Operations
Verio Web Hosting
Toll Free: 866-NTT-VERIO
Local/Int'l: 801-437-0210
email: support[at]

==== Excerpt from your message received 4/30/2007 2:59:30 MDT ====
>Here is a copy of the Verio notice of termination:

From: Mindi Long
Subject: Re: [IDS-9159122] [] - Other - Explain Below
To: jya[at]
Date:Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:57:49 -0400 (EDT)

John Young,

Thank you for contacting Technical Support. We are receiving email regarding your domain We are unsure as to how to proceed with this. Please let us know if you would like us to take action.

Techncial Support
NTT/Verio Orem, UT

You wrote:

Contact: John Doe
user id:
Email: john.doe[at]
Phone Number:

Verio Hosted Domain:
Product Selected: Other
Subject: Other - Explain Below
Error Message:
Problem: I want to protest that Verio is terminating the Cryptome Website!


28 April 2007

Cryptome and its affiliated sites will continue with another ISP, in the US or elsewhere. Or if necessary, underground, or via means not easily shuttered, or by way of whatever is invented for opposing technologies of information control (credit to Steven Wright, author of The Technologies of Political Control).

posted by acro at 9:54 PM on May 1, 2007

intermod, cryptome suggested it was something like a National Security Letter in their comment in acro's link:

In this latest instance there was no notice received from Verio describing the violation of acceptable use to justify termination of service prior to receipt of the certified letter, thus no opportunity to understand or respond to the basis for termination.

It may be wondered if Verio was threatened by an undisclosable means, say by an National Security Letter or by a confidential legal document or by a novel attack not yet aired.

Reading that link, I'll retract what I said about Verio, since they might be bound by bullshit terrorism law and according to cryptome have a good reputation otherwise.
posted by mediareport at 9:54 PM on May 1, 2007

(seems to be a day for takedowns, sorry to cut/paste)
posted by acro at 10:01 PM on May 1, 2007

Cryptome is an important service and I have faith that it will find another service provider somewhere, overseas if necessary.
posted by bhouston at 10:24 PM on May 1, 2007

Seems fine from the UK, if a bit slow.
posted by BishopsLoveScifi at 3:04 AM on May 2, 2007

It's easy to find alternative hosting services these days.
posted by caddis at 5:36 AM on May 2, 2007

The really sad thing about all of this is that, in the end, people named "Mindi" and "Justin" are involved in destroying his work.
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 6:57 AM on May 2, 2007 [2 favorites]

Wow. I was reading the Digg-revolt thread and was struck at how much credence everyone seems to give cease-and-desist letters. Many people (including, to some extent it would seem, Kevin Rose) seem to consider them as having some sort of legal weight. has received countless (well, actually I expect they have a count of them) C&D orders, all for naught; they ignored them for the empty threats that they were. I was all prepared to do a Metafilter posting on it and Bang!, they be gone (or at least going). What a shame, someone finally got them, at least for the short term. I look forward to seeing them rise from the ashes somewhere else.
posted by Bovine Love at 8:21 AM on May 2, 2007

This incident is scary. The recent anonymous Washington Post piece from a recipient of a National Security Letter was scary. I just want to go to a crowded area, get on a box, and harangue for hours as people nervously try to maintain a safe distance from me. And meanwhile everyone is concerned about their precious HD-DVDs and the reactions of web communities. Corporate malfeasance is bad, malfeasance of powerful industry lobbies is worse, but they don't hold a candle to what a government can do.

I secretly hope that we're at the turn of the tide, and that all the awful behavior of our government over the past few years is starting to trickle out because of lessened fear and greater confidence that freedoms will increase. That is, that even hearing about the bad behavior a sign of improving health, not a symptoms of sickness. But I'm not sure if I believe that.
posted by Llama-Lime at 8:46 AM on May 2, 2007 [1 favorite]

What happens if we all start saying we've received National Security Letters (all of us who have not anyway)? Is it a crime to falsely claim you have? And if not, couldn't we suss out who has simply by looking for those who aren't claiming receipt? And can someone help me figure out how to get these twins to tell me their names?
posted by yerfatma at 10:14 AM on May 2, 2007

Host in russia, which is re-orging itself as Warezistan.
posted by Artw at 10:53 AM on May 2, 2007

Man, how I missed that oped piece the first time, Llama-lime, I do not know. Thanks.
posted by phaedon at 7:24 PM on May 2, 2007

yerfatma: jessamyn beat you to that idea! (See second sign.)
posted by mendel at 9:41 PM on May 2, 2007

nyt permalink needed, or does the =rss do that?
posted by acro at 10:27 PM on May 2, 2007

Um, I dunno.
posted by homunculus at 4:04 PM on May 4, 2007

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