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Lackadaisy. The ongoing saga of Don Bluth-esque anthropomorphic cats in Prohibition-era St. Louis. Start here and try not to drool over the artwork.
posted by XQUZYPHYR (76 comments total)

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Gorgeous.
posted by Wolfdog at 4:41 PM on May 12, 2007


nice find... thanks!
posted by HuronBob at 4:49 PM on May 12, 2007


I've always wonders about the cats of the Prohibition era.
posted by parallax7d at 4:50 PM on May 12, 2007 [1 favorite]


Wow, beautiful artwork. Thanks for this.
posted by hurdy gurdy girl at 4:52 PM on May 12, 2007


Wow, gorgeous.
posted by arcticwoman at 5:00 PM on May 12, 2007


This is outstanding! Thanks for the link!
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:05 PM on May 12, 2007


Long before LOLCATS, there were 23SkidooCats. A great find, XQ.
posted by wendell at 5:12 PM on May 12, 2007


and try not to drool over the artwork.

*drools*

Damnit!

Amazing artwork, great find.
posted by quin at 5:13 PM on May 12, 2007


Superb!
posted by languagehat at 5:25 PM on May 12, 2007


MetaFilter: Damn you durable mercerized cotton-silk blend!

Great stuff, XQetc.
posted by Ufez Jones at 5:27 PM on May 12, 2007


They gonna turn this into a full length motion picture? Cuz I wanna voice audition for the part of Rocky! By the time one gets to Rocky's serenade to the Mississippi river it's clear: I am the only person on this planet who could pull off this dialogue.

"You should be careful conversing so indiscreetly with the portraiture, Miss M. People are liable to think you're crazier than a can of cricket juice!"

I want this part. =) I don't care if my voice is wrong for it. I'll take up smoking again. I'll fake a Cagney. I'll watch more Bogart. I'll take a violin lesson. I'll wear the stupid hat. I'll even pretend to not be a dog person at heart.

"SWEET JUSTICE! ...and motor oil. ...and gasoline."

I want this part.
posted by ZachsMind at 5:34 PM on May 12, 2007


Oooo pretty!
posted by shelleycat at 5:44 PM on May 12, 2007


[this is GREAT]
posted by Malor at 5:46 PM on May 12, 2007


Q. I like your crazy squirrel people. They're so crazy!
A. Um, thanks. They're cats. And that's not a question.


There I am just clickin pages reading along happy as a clam. This is great stuff by the way... The lights go dim. A single light shines on a nightstand. A shadow of a three leaf clover on the wall.

...

Great. Where's the rest of it?

I flip the monitor over looking for the rest of it. It's not there. I hate it when serial storytelling leaves me hanging like this.
posted by ZachsMind at 5:59 PM on May 12, 2007


How to draw comics the lackadaisical way. This is fun. =)
posted by ZachsMind at 6:05 PM on May 12, 2007


This is some wonderful artwork and storytelling.
posted by Blazecock Pileon at 6:07 PM on May 12, 2007


I CAN HAS THOMPSON RIFLE
posted by Smart Dalek at 6:11 PM on May 12, 2007 [5 favorites]


*mouth agape*
posted by gorgor_balabala at 6:19 PM on May 12, 2007


excellent post, wonderful artwork - thank you.
posted by madamjujujive at 6:22 PM on May 12, 2007


Incredible! Good find, XQ
posted by jonson at 6:40 PM on May 12, 2007


This is indeed fairly awesome. Thanks!
posted by Robot Rowboat at 6:58 PM on May 12, 2007


Beeyootifull!
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 7:17 PM on May 12, 2007




Aww, fuck, brownpau, you had to go and ruin it. Fucking furries, ugh.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 7:59 PM on May 12, 2007


Aww, fuck, brownpau, you had to go and ruin it. Fucking furries, ugh.

Um, was there perhaps something -- some minor detail, admittedly -- you might have missed about the original link?

Like all the anthropomorphic cats, perhaps?
posted by vorfeed at 8:09 PM on May 12, 2007 [4 favorites]


Wow! I hope this turns into a movie or something - it's way too good to remain "just" a free webcomic. Nice find, XQ!
posted by Quietgal at 8:11 PM on May 12, 2007


I knew there was something creepy and furriesque about this. brownpau proved it.
posted by jlowen at 8:12 PM on May 12, 2007


vorfeed, I thought it was a fun cute comic, much in the same vein as Disney's anthropomorphizations.

But if it's being done by a furry... ugh. Squicky.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 8:14 PM on May 12, 2007


Damn, you weren't kidding about the drooling part! That's exquisite!
posted by lekvar at 8:15 PM on May 12, 2007


But if it's being done by a furry... ugh. Squicky.

I don't really get this. I'm not much for the furry thing, myself, but really...

"I thought this was just a fun comic done by somebody who likes to draw anthropomorphic cats... but then it turned out to be a fun comic done by somebody who likes to draw anthropomorphic cats! Ew!"
posted by vorfeed at 8:27 PM on May 12, 2007


"I thought this was just a fun comic done by somebody who likes to draw anthropomorphic cats... but then it turned out to be a fun comic done by somebody who likes to draw anthropomorphic cats! Ew!"

Well yea. I think its nice when people visit old people in nursing homes, but creepy once you learn they do it because it turns them on. Same difference.
posted by jlowen at 8:31 PM on May 12, 2007


Well, his furries have some dignity...they're enacting plot lines and fully clothed. Bit anime-riffic, but you can tell he's come a ways since then.

Lots of artists get their start doing unsavory things; if the furry people will pay, it makes sense for an illustrator to take advantage of it.
posted by emjaybee at 8:34 PM on May 12, 2007


...she's come a long way....damn those either/or names.
posted by emjaybee at 8:39 PM on May 12, 2007


Well yea. I think its nice when people visit old people in nursing homes, but creepy once you learn they do it because it turns them on. Same difference.

Exactly.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 8:43 PM on May 12, 2007


See, I think there's something wrong with people who visit old folks' homes, period, so you kind of lost me there.

You guys must have a real hard time enjoying R. Crumb.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 8:49 PM on May 12, 2007


Well yea. I think its nice when people visit old people in nursing homes, but creepy once you learn they do it because it turns them on. Same difference.

Not all furries are "turned on" by anthromorphs. In fact, I'd say the majority just like them -- like to draw them, like to read about them, etc. Much in the same way that most Trekkies just like to read about Kirk and Spock, even though some of them like to read about Kirk and Spock, ifyaknowwhatImean. It's not fair to assume one from the other.

There's nothing about this comic that's sexual so far -- like several people have said, it's on a Disney level -- so if it wasn't creepy before you knew the author drew other (non-creepy) furry stuff, I don't see why it's creepy now. But by all means, carry on. Psst! Susy on the playground said the author also has cooties, pass it on!
posted by vorfeed at 8:50 PM on May 12, 2007 [1 favorite]


Psst! Susy on the playground said the author also has cooties, pass it on!

No worries.. I think they have a vaccine for that now.
posted by jlowen at 8:58 PM on May 12, 2007


Is this like no longer enjoying a novel you used to like because you met the author at a signing and he was really arrogant?
posted by Maxson at 9:00 PM on May 12, 2007


If by arrogant, you mean "tarnishing pleasant childhood memories by association", then yes.
posted by StrikeTheViol at 9:10 PM on May 12, 2007


Is this like no longer enjoying a novel you used to like because you met the author at a signing and he was really arrogant?
posted by Maxson at 12:00 AM on May 13 [+]
[!]


You were at the Tom Robbins book signing too?!
posted by Julnyes at 9:11 PM on May 12, 2007


Furries+bathtub gin=LOL
posted by moonbird at 9:20 PM on May 12, 2007


I have no problem with anthropomorphic animals at all. I loved the stuff all through childhood. I have a problem with zoophilia. In the furry community, I see the two overlap, which saddens me deeply, as I see some of the people who draw that art make common cause with those who yiff in fursuits...it's painful to see some excellent artists, classing themselves of their own accord, with the people having a court order keep them away from a petting zoo.
posted by StrikeTheViol at 9:25 PM on May 12, 2007


Fantastic comic, and the furry haters can suck eggs.
posted by anthill at 9:31 PM on May 12, 2007


I thought I smelled furry. Those female cats were just a little too attractive. (woops. I've said to much)
posted by cosmicbandito at 9:31 PM on May 12, 2007


Gee whiz, people, if you look at the actual pictures, some of them actually give "furries" a GOOD name (and most that don't were done on commission). What's wrong with a
regal-looking tiger
?
posted by wendell at 9:38 PM on May 12, 2007


Aww, fuck, brownpau, you had to go and ruin it. Fucking furries, ugh.

Damn, man. For someone who is whole-heartedly, sincerely and unhumorous about his own kinks, you're sure coming down hard on this guy.

I've no problem with either of you. I'm neither gay nor furry, but why the harsh reaction? The furry thing is pretty damned obvious from the first panel, but it's still very good art.

But for someone that will battle time and time again for his own sexuality's expression and against the opression thereof, I'm a bit surprised to see you squicked by this, dnab.
posted by Ufez Jones at 9:44 PM on May 12, 2007 [1 favorite]


This strip is totally bogus. Everyone knows that there are no cats in America.
posted by stenseng at 9:55 PM on May 12, 2007 [2 favorites]


via -- at least for me, a few days ago. The same post pointed me to Dresden Codak, which is brilliant, and, while it's not nearly as comprehensive as Lackadaisy, I enjoyed it a lot more.
posted by lumensimus at 10:30 PM on May 12, 2007


to clarify two things at once... from the faq:

Q. Are you a boy or a girl?

A. You start drawing guns and cars and everyone gets confused! I'm a girl. I draw ponies sometimes too.

Q. Are you a furry?

A. Uh. I'm not entirely sure what that means. I draw furries (if you can't think of a less schmaltzy name for them), but I'm actually a not-very-furry upright primate. I suspect you are too, unless you're a cat walking on the keyboard. Get off the keyboard!

posted by timory at 10:37 PM on May 12, 2007


Everyone knows furries are the current Group It's Okay To Hate. Sheesh, it's like you people don't read the cultural communiques or something.

Less sarcastically: For whatever reason, furries have been deemed "okay to hate", even among very liberal people. I think it's symptomatic of our need to always have an out-group and an in-group, and I think it's sad. Yes, it's sad if some people like having sex with non-human animals, but it's ridiculous to tar all furries with that brush. It's the exact same argument that people use when they say GLBT people are reprehensible because of their connections to pedophiles. I'm not a furry (interesting that I feel the need to make that clear), but I believe they deserve as much respect as the rest of us, and I'd love it if people could realize how much furries are just the current object of acceptable hate and, by so realizing, decrease the amount of hate in the world.
posted by jiawen at 10:50 PM on May 12, 2007


Would you all hate me if I drew a whole comic about cucumbers?
posted by gorgor_balabala at 11:07 PM on May 12, 2007


it's painful to see some excellent artists, classing themselves of their own accord, with the people having a court order keep them away from a petting zoo.

It's a fantasy world, OK? The vast majority of furries, even the ones who get off on the idea of fucking animals, don't actually fuck animals. And for the small minority who do, we have laws in place. So what's the problem with the fantasy? Are you ready to vouch for the sterling morality of every single thing you've ever jacked off to on the internet? Is dressing up like a fox really all that different than dressing up like a sexy nurse or a leather dom or a diaper baby or Ilsa, She-Wolf Of The SS? Is fantasizing about sex with an animal really any worse than rape fantasy or gangbangs, both of which are common enough in porn, and both of which would be taken a lot more seriously than bestiality if they happened in real life?

You know what your post comes down to? "Waah, why doesn't everybody in the whole world act according to my personal hang-ups? Everybody should fantasize in the exact same way as me so I can have it all my way!" What can I say, except: welcome to the internet, where you just don't get to have it your way. You don't like it, there's the door -- don't bump into tubgirl on the way out.
posted by vorfeed at 11:11 PM on May 12, 2007 [1 favorite]


Would you all hate me if I drew a whole comic about cucumbers?
Too late, dude -- the Goats guy has pretty much been doing this for over a year now. (I keed, but it's true)
posted by vorfeed at 11:13 PM on May 12, 2007


Oh yeah, but I can really DRAW cucumbers.
posted by gorgor_balabala at 11:36 PM on May 12, 2007


You misunderstand me, vorfeed. I don't have a problem with the idea of fantasizing. I know instinctively that there are people out there who like things I will not like. That doesn't mean it makes no sense for me, or dnab, to feel revulsion of some kind. I know you want to think of me as some kind of prude for refusing to believe that all the listed fantasies are somehow equally deserving of acceptance, but I refuse to do that, and I'm surprised you think that's strange. Everyone has areas they take as sexually disturbing, whether it's a hyperbolic "anything save murder for sexual gratification" or something more strict. Norms change from generation to generation. Are you trying to imply that all fantasies really are equivalent, so that if I have one, it's hypocritical to dislike any other?
posted by StrikeTheViol at 12:11 AM on May 13, 2007


It strikes me that the furry hatred is the modern equivalent of AOL-bashing. There's nobody else to look down on and despise... so obviously, the furries are completely worthless.

If there are no Web lowlives, how can we be superior?
posted by Malor at 3:37 AM on May 13, 2007


Thanks to the Geek Hierarchy, I thought the furry people were pretty funny, until I became aware of the LARPers early this year. After seeing some of them swanning about a sci-fi con with their arms crossed over their chests pretending to be invisible vampires... Well. Good ol' furries.
posted by tomboko at 5:16 AM on May 13, 2007


Wonderful comic. It reminded me of Maus or Disney cartoons, the stylized use of animals and whatnot.

Why do furries upset the denizens of the internet so much? Chill out, people.
posted by Ndwright at 5:47 AM on May 13, 2007


Less sarcastically: For whatever reason, furries have been deemed "okay to hate", even among very liberal people. I think it's symptomatic of our need to always have an out-group and an in-group, and I think it's sad.

Im not sure I agree with being "creeped out" by an alternative sexuality is an intolerant attitude. Revulsion and attraction are 2 sides of the same coin. If we grant the right of people to get off on some weird shit and be free to express it to the world (which I do) then we must also necessarily grant the abillity to express revulsion. Its ok to comment that the cartoon creeps me out a little, just like its ok for you to enjoy it because of its beautiful artwork or any other reason.

The line however gets crossed when we seek to deprive any individual of their rights to life, liberty, happiness etc etc merely because they hold a certain beleif UNLESS the practice of the beleif deprives anyone else of their right.

So yea, furries creep me out. I think its fine to say so. I dont think anyone here has crossed the line in to intolerance or bigotry.
posted by jlowen at 7:43 AM on May 13, 2007


Norms change from generation to generation. Are you trying to imply that all fantasies really are equivalent, so that if I have one, it's hypocritical to dislike any other?

What you dislike is your own business. Sex is kind of squicky to begin with, so it's no big deal to be icked out by something. So if you like, go ahead and do stuff like suggest that artists like this one ought to know better than to "class themselves" with people who have a different fantasy than you, or act as if people shouldn't have a right to a different interpretation of your "pleasant childhood memories". Or, like dnab, feel free to make a huge deal over "ew ew gross gross fucking furries etc" every time furries are even mentioned. You've got the right to be loudly derisive toward furries if you want to. I just hope there's nothing you hold dear that ever ends up on the internet shit-list, that's all.

My point isn't that the fantasies I listed are necessarily equivalent (even though they are, unless you happen to have a universal definition of good and evil in your back pocket) -- it's that treating any one of them like doubleplusungood thoughtcrime is a bad idea, because there are plenty of people out there for whom your particular kink is equally gross, and they will eventually get around to treating you this way. And then when you complain, you really will be a hypocrite.
posted by vorfeed at 9:28 AM on May 13, 2007


I'm not sure I expressed myself clearly, so I'll rephrase.
I sincerely hope that "furry art" eventually becomes more mainstream, gradually allowing the larger community to move beyond the stereotypes. The art in the post is great, and the material isn't Fritz The Cat, by any means. Let me make myself more consistent this way:

Potentially icky thing: furry art
doubleplusungood extreme: zoophilia

I'll use a more personal example, so you can see I'm not arguing from a moral high horse:

Potentially icky thing: feet
doubleplusungood extreme: sucking stranger's toes in public

obviously all people into the icky thing are not at the extreme. What is icky to me is not the furry art itself, but rather how they seem unnecessarily bound together. I think I remember seeing an organization of furries against bestiality, and I wasn't icked by their art. It's the associations that bother, much like a "boylove" organization trying to position itself as being in the same struggle might bother a gay man. I'm not really following the whole "beware speaking out against your own people, because some day you might be disparaged too" thing. Sure. But I'm not exactly gathering torches and pitchforks.
posted by StrikeTheViol at 10:55 AM on May 13, 2007


It's the associations that bother, much like a "boylove" organization trying to position itself as being in the same struggle might bother a gay man.

Except that the furries, as a group, aren't as bothered by the whole sex-fantasy thing. There are certainly some that freak out about it and get vocally anti-sex, but on the whole, the furry community seems to have decided that they're not going to ostracize people, and that there should be room for both erotic and platonic furry art. To put it simply: there is no piggybacking, here, nobody trying to "position themselves as being in the same struggle". The sexy stuff has been a part of the furry movement since the beginning. Hell, you could argue that furry fanart and comix were sexy before they were mainstream (Felix the Cat, Air Pirates, etc). If you want furries to become more mainstream and move beyond "the stereotypes", then you're the one hoping to change the position of this stuff.

Once again, other people are not necessarily going to choose their associations according to your morality. Feel free to judge 'em as you will, but expecting the world to change to suit your comfort levels strikes me as a bit much.

I'm not really following the whole "beware speaking out against your own people, because some day you might be disparaged too" thing. Sure. But I'm not exactly gathering torches and pitchforks.

I didn't say you were. What I said was that someday, it might be your kink that was on the "oh ew gross" list, and you might not like it when people jump on every little thing even slightly related to it. You want furry fandom to "get beyond the stereotypes", yet you dragged those same stereotypes into a discussion about a comic that you yourself admit gets beyond them! Why should furries even bother to go mainstream if they're to be punished for "their associations" no matter what they do?
posted by vorfeed at 2:06 PM on May 13, 2007


Except that the furries, as a group, aren't as bothered by the whole sex-fantasy thing.

I know. Makes it harder to appreciate the art. My problem, you say? Of course. It's why I mentioned it, because I wanted to see what you, and everybody else, thought. It's not threadcrap if you actually want to talk about it, unless you think that no one disliking furries has anything useful to say on the subject.

What you call "ostracism" can be healthy, in some instances. Are you going to give someone attracted to a drunk person a problem if they criticize date rape?
Are you going to call them a hypocrite if they ban rape fans from boards? By separating out the more extreme elements and refusing to associate with them, it becomes easier for those people who don't know, to be accepting. I never knew some of my interests could be seen in socially acceptable ways, even "evangelized", until I met subgroups who set boundaries and took it from there. Or alternatively, you could just say that everyone should just mind their own business, which leaves us to only comment about things we like, but I'm not so sure that's the customary standard for Mefi.

(apologies for the tangent)
posted by StrikeTheViol at 3:19 PM on May 13, 2007


And here I am, wondering why exactly I didn't post this when I found it ages ago. I guess I too easily assume that everything good on the Internet has already been highlighted by MetaFilter.
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 3:35 PM on May 13, 2007


What you call "ostracism" can be healthy, in some instances. Are you going to give someone attracted to a drunk person a problem if they criticize date rape? Are you going to call them a hypocrite if they ban rape fans from boards?

Yes, I sure am. I'm not much for censorship as a replacement for open dialog, no matter what the subject. That's why I'm here talking to you about this.

By separating out the more extreme elements and refusing to associate with them, it becomes easier for those people who don't know, to be accepting. I never knew some of my interests could be seen in socially acceptable ways, even "evangelized", until I met subgroups who set boundaries and took it from there.

Sure is lucky for you that your interests were on the right side of their boundaries, isn't it? Come on, this is the internet -- it doesn't always have to be about expressing interests in "socially acceptable ways". Besides, there are plenty of furry groups that don't allow the erotic stuff, and yet that doesn't stop people from freaking out over it, does it? And I find it interesting that you're willing to put the furry stuff off-limits for other people, while simultaneously defending your access to your own kinks (which, of course, are totally socially acceptable). You'd better hope those changing mores you mentioned earlier don't catch up to you...

And again, the furries have set boundaries. They went over this fur-sex issue years ago, came to a general conclusion about boundaries, and implemented them, with some groups opting-out on both sides. But the boundaries they came up with aren't your boundaries, and so you've got your pants in a knot.
posted by vorfeed at 4:25 PM on May 13, 2007


I sure didn't know about it, and it's great stuff. I just recently became slightly, er, yes, addicted to Girl Genius, and this looks even better. So thanks!
posted by IcyJuly at 4:30 PM on May 13, 2007


Besides, there are plenty of furry groups that don't allow the erotic stuff, and yet that doesn't stop people from freaking out over it, does it?

Really? I've found one, but as I haven't searched exhaustively in some time...in all seriousness, what's the biggest SFW furry group these days?

And I find it interesting that you're willing to put the furry stuff off-limits for other people, while simultaneously defending your access to your own kinks (which, of course, are totally socially acceptable).

Now you're baiting. I never mentioned banning or censoring furries. Heck, I might even be one, insofar as I loved Disney's Robin Hood and Inherit The Earth as a kid. I feel uncomfortable with a group of people co-opt these things for sexual gratification, and when I express this, you take me as some kind of censorious Puritan? I'm happy to leave them alone in their netspaces. You'll never see me trolling on furry boards or calling for furry art bans.

They went over this fur-sex issue years ago, came to a general conclusion about boundaries, and implemented them, with some groups opting-out on both sides.

They did? I believe you, but I've only really found this by way of history. How and when did that actually play out? I kept getting the impression as a kid that the boards I saw (years ago) were dominated by eroticism, so I just read Redwall and stayed put.
posted by StrikeTheViol at 6:34 PM on May 13, 2007


Really? I've found one, but as I haven't searched exhaustively in some time...in all seriousness, what's the biggest SFW furry group these days?

Judging from Google, I think it's Artspots. It's been about 10 years since I knew anybody who was into this, though (back then it was "Squeeky Clean Furry Archive", which seems to be closed). Google for "pg13 furry" if you want to see more.

Now you're baiting. I never mentioned banning or censoring furries.

No, you merely said that they should all go mainstream and stop doing things that make you uncomfortable. Sounds like that's putting it "off-limits" to others to me.

They did? I believe you, but I've only really found this by way of history. How and when did that actually play out? I kept getting the impression as a kid that the boards I saw (years ago) were dominated by eroticism, so I just read Redwall and stayed put.

Yes, most furry boards contain some degree of eroticism. Because that's the boundary that seems to have been decided on -- that that sort of thing is OK in general, and that censorship is not OK. There are places you can go for clean furry art; there are places you can go for nothing but erotic furry art. Most places are in-between, and that's the way most people seem to like it. For a history of the major kerfuffle, this page should work. In short: the anti-sex furs lost.
posted by vorfeed at 8:42 PM on May 13, 2007


Neat, thanks for the links, vorfeed.

No, you merely said that they should all go mainstream and stop doing things that make you uncomfortable. Sounds like that's putting it "off-limits" to others to me.

I said it would be nice, from my perspective, if in effect the anti-sex furs had been more successful, because the current state of affairs is as you said. What's my problem? Comes down to experience. My first encounter was basically a website-length screamer of erotic furry art, years back. I was in shock for a while, then wrote it off and forgot about it. More recently, I met someone who called herself a furry. "ha, more erotic art" I thought. Not quite. Werewolf fetishist. Likes the art, the stories, and getting entirely NSFDogs. These three things, the post, the hardcore site, and the girl, are all called by the same name, furry, which I think is sad, because they hardly mean the same thing, even though I'm aware that some people don't mind all three. That's all I'm really trying to get at.
posted by StrikeTheViol at 10:33 PM on May 13, 2007


which I think is sad, because they hardly mean the same thing

Actually, they do. They're all for, by, or of people who like anthropomorphic animals. There are other, more specific names for "furry porn", "werewolf fetishist", etc., but the anthro-animal fandom itself is just "furry". Much the same way that there are myriad names for exactly what you're into if you're an anime fan, but "anime" will do in general. And trust me, that stuff gets just as porny, if not more so. :)

In fact, from the outside, the inclusiveness in the furry world seems pretty refreshing. I'm mostly familiar with fandoms that work much the way you seem to want the furry 'dom to work (with porn stuff and vanilla stuff but never the twain shall meet, and are you following this week's community guidelines, etc?), and what it really causes is constant bickering and head games, not mainstream acceptance. Check out Fandom Wank sometime -- it's a thing of hideous, hideous beauty.
posted by vorfeed at 11:11 PM on May 13, 2007


It's a cute little comic book about anthropomorphic cats. Where'd this furry prejudice come from? Oh yeah. Right. This thread definitely took a left turn at Alberquerque back there.

Look. The artist's name is Tracy Butler. I don't care if she likes to wear squirrel outfits or suits of armor. She's a beautiful soul.
posted by ZachsMind at 12:05 AM on May 14, 2007


Cool link...and it made me so happy to see Move along
OP was underage, nothing to see here.
as the most recent post, seriously.

I don't know as much about manga or anime as some of my friends, but would the anime standard really be so terrible? You've got Pokemon, and dating sims, and the stuff in between is easy enough to delineate, creating comfortable, moderated spaces for a great many people. I don't see lots of consciously safe for kids furry stuff, that calls itself furry. If you can find more, it'd probably make a good FPP.
posted by StrikeTheViol at 12:30 AM on May 14, 2007


BTW, I didn't link to her previous furry art as a "HAET FURRIES" thing; I just like anthro is all. No further comment.
posted by brownpau at 7:57 AM on May 14, 2007


D:

bp is a yiffer?
posted by thirteenkiller at 8:00 AM on May 14, 2007


I don't see lots of consciously safe for kids furry stuff, that calls itself furry.

I gave you a huge art archive and the Google search terms for an entire world of "safe for kids" stuff that calls itself furry. There are PG13 furry MUCKs, story archives, art archives, livejournals, etc etc. At this point, if you don't see it, you're never going to. As for an FPP, I'm not the one to make it, because anybody who's actually furry probably knows fifty times as much about this as I do.

I don't know as much about manga or anime as some of my friends, but would the anime standard really be so terrible?

For a fandom full of people who clearly place a great deal of value on inclusiveness and open access to erotic stuff? Yes, it would be. Anime people are constantly fighting over this. The whole yaoi/het/vanilla argument is probably the number-one thing that divides the various fandoms, and the widespread idea that these things should be strictly divided only gives people validation for their One True Pairing. And by the way, things like the Pokemon fandom still have plenty of erotic stuff available, whether the series is "for kids" or not. The difference between porny stuff and non-porny stuff isn't really any easier to delineate in anime, it just tends to be more finely ghettoed... and then the partisans of each ghetto have stupid internecine flame-wars and such. If you ask me, furry-style inclusiveness would be a step up.

Anyway, most of the furry archives say very clearly that there is adult stuff inside, and there are other places kids can go to get their furry fix. What more do you want?
posted by vorfeed at 11:17 AM on May 14, 2007


well, considering that "my side" in the Epic Struggle fared about as well as the Jacobites, I was hoping to get out of the blood-soaked, fur-scattered arena, and find more stuff like this, or perhaps this on the more realistic side.
posted by StrikeTheViol at 10:54 AM on May 23, 2007


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