Hogfather
December 24, 2007 7:43 AM Subscribe
Its been given a timely release of March of next year for the US. Huh. Pre-Order now! Or something.
posted by Atreides at 8:20 AM on December 24, 2007
posted by Atreides at 8:20 AM on December 24, 2007
I watched this a while back, and I really didn't expect anyone to ever properly capture life on the Disc in any kind of filmed medium.
Damn was I wrong. It's a really well done adaptation.
Death isn't quite right, but he's pretty damn good.
*goes off to read Hogfather again*
posted by quin at 8:30 AM on December 24, 2007
Damn was I wrong. It's a really well done adaptation.
Death isn't quite right, but he's pretty damn good.
*goes off to read Hogfather again*
posted by quin at 8:30 AM on December 24, 2007
I'm really glad ION television aired this again last night!
posted by SentientAI at 8:37 AM on December 24, 2007
posted by SentientAI at 8:37 AM on December 24, 2007
After giving up on micro-managing the YouTube and tracking this down through alternative means, it was on some random television station last night.
Death didn't seem right at all to me, but I'm judging from a pretty brief clip. I guess it certainly could have been done worse.
I haven't watched the whole thing yet but am definitely excited.
posted by pokermonk at 8:39 AM on December 24, 2007
Death didn't seem right at all to me, but I'm judging from a pretty brief clip. I guess it certainly could have been done worse.
I haven't watched the whole thing yet but am definitely excited.
posted by pokermonk at 8:39 AM on December 24, 2007
For those who haven't seen this - don't bother. It's dull as fcuk.
It just goes on and on.... We switched it off.
If you do want to see it on the television I'm sure that Pax or whatever they are called at the moment will repeat it. Again.
posted by Webbster at 8:41 AM on December 24, 2007
It just goes on and on.... We switched it off.
If you do want to see it on the television I'm sure that Pax or whatever they are called at the moment will repeat it. Again.
posted by Webbster at 8:41 AM on December 24, 2007
Instead of 22 (!) parts, one could find this at much higher quality in a single omnibus edition via a torrent tracker. Which strikes me as about as legal as this Youtube rip.
posted by meehawl at 8:42 AM on December 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by meehawl at 8:42 AM on December 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
For those who haven't seen this - don't bother. It's dull as fcuk.
I thought it was really good but I am not cool.
posted by srboisvert at 9:09 AM on December 24, 2007 [3 favorites]
I thought it was really good but I am not cool.
posted by srboisvert at 9:09 AM on December 24, 2007 [3 favorites]
I thought it was pretty good too (though ION is a really annoying channel).
posted by advil at 10:15 AM on December 24, 2007
posted by advil at 10:15 AM on December 24, 2007
I think the problem with death is his voice, they seem to have relied mainly on a good voice actor. And I don't think that can cut it for death, because without some good effects he is going to still sound human and corporeal. Which death clearly is not, his voice is supposed to sound like grave stones rubbing together and church bells tolling, etc..
Needed more heavy processing IMO.
posted by MrBobaFett at 11:15 AM on December 24, 2007
Needed more heavy processing IMO.
posted by MrBobaFett at 11:15 AM on December 24, 2007
DON'T YOU THINK HE SHOULD SOUND LIKE JAMES EARL JONES?
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 12:58 PM on December 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by Mr.Encyclopedia at 12:58 PM on December 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
I saw... I can't remember, one of the Witch novels? Christ that animation made me want to remove my own eyes with a rusty spoon.
No. More accurately, it made me want to remove the animator's eyes with a rusty spoon. This would likely have improved it.
I'm not watching any pTerry adaptations until they're cast properly, with either Alan Rickman or Jeremy Irons as Vetinari, Pete Postlethwaite as Vimes, Ewan MacGregor as Carrot, Dame Judi Dench (or, ooooh, Bea Arthur) as Granny Weatherwax, Stephen Fry as Ridcully (come on, picture it...), Hugh Laurie as Rincewind. Robbie Coltrane needs to be put in there somewhere, maybe as Fred Colon--with whatsisname, Baldric from Blackadder, as Nobby Nobbs, of course (yes, yes, typecast). The only person who could play Dibbler is Bob Hoskins, Lu-Tze is clearly George Takei (although they might want to go with someone more vaguely ethnic, as opposed to definitively ethnic), and really I should stop there because I am clearly a huge nerd.
Ian Richardson as Death's voice is quite good, though. He'd probably be better as Vetinari, but that would be too close to House of Cards.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 1:10 PM on December 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
No. More accurately, it made me want to remove the animator's eyes with a rusty spoon. This would likely have improved it.
I'm not watching any pTerry adaptations until they're cast properly, with either Alan Rickman or Jeremy Irons as Vetinari, Pete Postlethwaite as Vimes, Ewan MacGregor as Carrot, Dame Judi Dench (or, ooooh, Bea Arthur) as Granny Weatherwax, Stephen Fry as Ridcully (come on, picture it...), Hugh Laurie as Rincewind. Robbie Coltrane needs to be put in there somewhere, maybe as Fred Colon--with whatsisname, Baldric from Blackadder, as Nobby Nobbs, of course (yes, yes, typecast). The only person who could play Dibbler is Bob Hoskins, Lu-Tze is clearly George Takei (although they might want to go with someone more vaguely ethnic, as opposed to definitively ethnic), and really I should stop there because I am clearly a huge nerd.
Ian Richardson as Death's voice is quite good, though. He'd probably be better as Vetinari, but that would be too close to House of Cards.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 1:10 PM on December 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
Mr. Encyclopedia, on preview, I think you mean
DON'T YOU THINK HE SHOULD SOUND LIKE JAMES EARL JONES?
And no, I don't. JEJ has a great voice, but he's.. he's just not right for Death.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 1:12 PM on December 24, 2007
DON'T YOU THINK HE SHOULD SOUND LIKE JAMES EARL JONES?
And no, I don't. JEJ has a great voice, but he's.. he's just not right for Death.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 1:12 PM on December 24, 2007
I can't stop.
Nanny Ogg presents a bit of a problem. Maggie Smith is just far too dignified in general (I think she would make a spectacular Mrs Palm, but she's a bit too old), and while Betty White might bring much of the right flavour, she's not quite there.
Verence should be whatsisname, the guy who played Tom in Four Weddings and a Funeral. Pretty gormless but quite nice underneath--he's good at that.
Angua. Hmmm. Ideally, Nigella Lawson after a month or so at the gym (not to slim her down, because christ, she's gorgeous--just needs that sense of athleticism).
Ok, ok, I really will stop.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 1:25 PM on December 24, 2007
Nanny Ogg presents a bit of a problem. Maggie Smith is just far too dignified in general (I think she would make a spectacular Mrs Palm, but she's a bit too old), and while Betty White might bring much of the right flavour, she's not quite there.
Verence should be whatsisname, the guy who played Tom in Four Weddings and a Funeral. Pretty gormless but quite nice underneath--he's good at that.
Angua. Hmmm. Ideally, Nigella Lawson after a month or so at the gym (not to slim her down, because christ, she's gorgeous--just needs that sense of athleticism).
Ok, ok, I really will stop.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 1:25 PM on December 24, 2007
I thought it was pretty good too (though ION is a really annoying channel).
I saw it there too--they've apparently been running it over and over. It's great--and Susan was perfectly portrayed, i thought.
I'd love to see all the books about the police force there turned into movies.
posted by amberglow at 4:33 PM on December 24, 2007
I saw it there too--they've apparently been running it over and over. It's great--and Susan was perfectly portrayed, i thought.
I'd love to see all the books about the police force there turned into movies.
posted by amberglow at 4:33 PM on December 24, 2007
Mm, Angua, no other fantasy girl's ever piqued my imagination quite so. No-one could adequate in that role.
posted by Wolfdog at 4:35 PM on December 24, 2007
posted by Wolfdog at 4:35 PM on December 24, 2007
Them CGI graphics are sumfin, I tell you whut.
I've seen better rendering in a Mighty Morphin Power Rangers episode. Still gonna watch the whole thing though.
posted by Deathalicious at 4:46 PM on December 24, 2007
I've seen better rendering in a Mighty Morphin Power Rangers episode. Still gonna watch the whole thing though.
posted by Deathalicious at 4:46 PM on December 24, 2007
Piggybacking on DNAB:
Yes, definitely Rickman as Vetinari. Screw Irons. I'm on board with Dench/Arthur, Fry, Laurie, Coltrane, Tony Robinson (Baldric), Hoskins, Takei and Lawson.
Ewan MacGregor is lovely, but he doesn't have Carrot's naive-but-not-gormless/ridiculously decent combo just right.
Nanny Ogg is a poser. Miriam Margolyes, perhaps?
posted by maudlin at 4:55 PM on December 24, 2007
Yes, definitely Rickman as Vetinari. Screw Irons. I'm on board with Dench/Arthur, Fry, Laurie, Coltrane, Tony Robinson (Baldric), Hoskins, Takei and Lawson.
Ewan MacGregor is lovely, but he doesn't have Carrot's naive-but-not-gormless/ridiculously decent combo just right.
Nanny Ogg is a poser. Miriam Margolyes, perhaps?
posted by maudlin at 4:55 PM on December 24, 2007
ONLY CHRISTOPHER LEE MAY PORTRAY THE VOICE OF DEATH.
THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE.
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:15 PM on December 24, 2007
THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE.
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:15 PM on December 24, 2007
Verence should be whatsisname, the guy who played Tom in Four Weddings and a Funeral. Pretty gormless but quite nice underneath--he's good at that.
Verence is clueless, but he's not dumb; he's actually quite well-educated.
Hugh Laurie as Rincewind
I believe that the guy who plays Argus Filch in the Harry Potter movies will be playing Rincewind in The Colour of Magic.
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:19 PM on December 24, 2007
Verence is clueless, but he's not dumb; he's actually quite well-educated.
Hugh Laurie as Rincewind
I believe that the guy who plays Argus Filch in the Harry Potter movies will be playing Rincewind in The Colour of Magic.
posted by Pope Guilty at 5:19 PM on December 24, 2007
Ewan MacGregor is lovely, but he doesn't have Carrot's naive-but-not-gormless/ridiculously decent combo just right.
You have a point. Carrot is basically Captain America by way of Britain (and adoptive dwarven parentage).
ONLY CHRISTOPHER LEE MAY PORTRAY THE VOICE OF DEATH.
THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE.
There can. Lee has a spectacular voice, yes.. but it's a little too, hmm, obvious for Death. Yes, Death needs an ominous voice, but I've always thought of him as being quite cultured, with just an air of something otherworldy about the voice. Lee's voice is pretty OH HAI I AM OMINOUS VOICE, MY BOOMING NETHERWORLD VOCAL CORDS LET ME SHOW YOU THEM.
Verence is clueless, but he's not dumb; he's actually quite well-educated.
I never said dumb... I said gormless, which I've always understood to mean some variant of 'lacking backbone or forcefulness of personality'. If I'm wrong about that, cool.
Screw Irons
I think Jeremy Irons would make an amazing Vetinari.. that menace oiled by charm? Irons has it down.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 5:42 PM on December 24, 2007
You have a point. Carrot is basically Captain America by way of Britain (and adoptive dwarven parentage).
ONLY CHRISTOPHER LEE MAY PORTRAY THE VOICE OF DEATH.
THERE CAN BE NO DEBATE.
There can. Lee has a spectacular voice, yes.. but it's a little too, hmm, obvious for Death. Yes, Death needs an ominous voice, but I've always thought of him as being quite cultured, with just an air of something otherworldy about the voice. Lee's voice is pretty OH HAI I AM OMINOUS VOICE, MY BOOMING NETHERWORLD VOCAL CORDS LET ME SHOW YOU THEM.
Verence is clueless, but he's not dumb; he's actually quite well-educated.
I never said dumb... I said gormless, which I've always understood to mean some variant of 'lacking backbone or forcefulness of personality'. If I'm wrong about that, cool.
Screw Irons
I think Jeremy Irons would make an amazing Vetinari.. that menace oiled by charm? Irons has it down.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 5:42 PM on December 24, 2007
I favour Rickman over Irons because of Vetinari's moral ambiguity as benevolent tyrant. Irons can do pure menace and charm: I associate Rickman with menace, charm, and the ability to convince others that all this pain is for our own good. (And it looks as if Pratchett agrees with me.)
God, we need a duo for the ages to play Vimes and Vetinari. I'm not entirely sure if Postlethwaite is Vimes, either. Hmm ...
posted by maudlin at 6:07 PM on December 24, 2007
God, we need a duo for the ages to play Vimes and Vetinari. I'm not entirely sure if Postlethwaite is Vimes, either. Hmm ...
posted by maudlin at 6:07 PM on December 24, 2007
There can. Lee has a spectacular voice, yes.. but it's a little too, hmm, obvious for Death. Yes, Death needs an ominous voice, but I've always thought of him as being quite cultured, with just an air of something otherworldy about the voice. Lee's voice is pretty OH HAI I AM OMINOUS VOICE, MY BOOMING NETHERWORLD VOCAL CORDS LET ME SHOW YOU THEM.
Yeah, but who would really be better? Ian Richardson clearly isn't up to it.
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:07 PM on December 24, 2007
Yeah, but who would really be better? Ian Richardson clearly isn't up to it.
posted by Pope Guilty at 6:07 PM on December 24, 2007
Maudlin, Postlethwaite is perfect for Vimes. Someone who looks like life has beaten him with a Burleigh & Stronginthearm #9 (or whatever) a few times.
Ian Richardson has the right dort of voice.. James Earl Jones & Christopher Lee have voices that are--bear with me--too ominious. The ominosity (ahem) of Death's voice is because of who he is, not (just) the sound of the voice.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 6:14 PM on December 24, 2007
Ian Richardson has the right dort of voice.. James Earl Jones & Christopher Lee have voices that are--bear with me--too ominious. The ominosity (ahem) of Death's voice is because of who he is, not (just) the sound of the voice.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 6:14 PM on December 24, 2007
the guy who plays Argus Filch in the Harry Potter movies will be playing Rincewind
I think he's playing Cohen the Barbarian.
Jack Davenport as Carrot. Patrick Stewart as Vetinari (how do you get more patrician than that?). Bruce Spence (The Gyro Captain) for Rincewind. Dustin Hoffman as CMOT Dibbler. Death is CGI with voice by John Rhys-Davies/Treebeard. (If he's not CGI, we need someone who projects an air of bemused authority -- maybe Morgan Freeman.) Traci Griffith is Angua to me, but she's a little long in the tooth nowadays, so I'm thinking Beyonce. Jeffrey Jones or Stephen Root as Ridcully. Ian McShane as Vimes. Diane Keaton as Gytha Ogg. Glenn Close as Esme Weatherwax.
posted by joaquim at 6:48 PM on December 24, 2007
I think he's playing Cohen the Barbarian.
Jack Davenport as Carrot. Patrick Stewart as Vetinari (how do you get more patrician than that?). Bruce Spence (The Gyro Captain) for Rincewind. Dustin Hoffman as CMOT Dibbler. Death is CGI with voice by John Rhys-Davies/Treebeard. (If he's not CGI, we need someone who projects an air of bemused authority -- maybe Morgan Freeman.) Traci Griffith is Angua to me, but she's a little long in the tooth nowadays, so I'm thinking Beyonce. Jeffrey Jones or Stephen Root as Ridcully. Ian McShane as Vimes. Diane Keaton as Gytha Ogg. Glenn Close as Esme Weatherwax.
posted by joaquim at 6:48 PM on December 24, 2007
Yeah, but who would really be better? Ian Richardson clearly isn't up to it.
posted by Pope Guilty at 2:07 AM on December 25 [+] [!]
Yes, being dead does rather inhibit your career as a voice artiste.
posted by kaemaril at 6:57 PM on December 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by Pope Guilty at 2:07 AM on December 25 [+] [!]
Yes, being dead does rather inhibit your career as a voice artiste.
posted by kaemaril at 6:57 PM on December 24, 2007 [1 favorite]
Well, that was lovely. Thanks for the post.
"it's a sword, it's supposed to be dangerous"
lolz
posted by sidereal at 6:59 PM on December 24, 2007 [2 favorites]
"it's a sword, it's supposed to be dangerous"
lolz
posted by sidereal at 6:59 PM on December 24, 2007 [2 favorites]
I haven't read any of the Discworld books, so can someone explain to me what Hogfather is in relation to that? Is that the title of one (or more) of the books?
posted by zardoz at 7:05 PM on December 24, 2007
posted by zardoz at 7:05 PM on December 24, 2007
I haven't read any of the Discworld books, so can someone explain to me what Hogfather is in relation to that? Is that the title of one (or more) of the books?
posted by zardoz at 3:05 AM on December 25 [+] [!]
Hogfather is the title of the 20th Discworld book. He's the disc's Santa analogy, and if he's not around to do his job the sun won't come up :)
posted by kaemaril at 7:32 PM on December 24, 2007
posted by zardoz at 3:05 AM on December 25 [+] [!]
Hogfather is the title of the 20th Discworld book. He's the disc's Santa analogy, and if he's not around to do his job the sun won't come up :)
posted by kaemaril at 7:32 PM on December 24, 2007
Dustin Hoffman as CMOT Dibbler.
Now that could fucking work.
Death is CGI with voice by John Rhys-Davies/Treebeard.
Could be a good voice..
Traci Griffith is Angua to me, but she's a little long in the tooth nowadays, so I'm thinking Beyonce.
Jesus fuck no. Angua needs to project some class. This is not something of which Beyonce is capable, no matter how hot she is.
Diane Keaton as Gytha Ogg.
Not old enough, cant be earthy enough--she doesn't have that twinkle in her eye.
Glenn Close as Esme Weatherwax.
Please tell me that was a joke. Granny Weatherwax needs fucking wrinkles, man.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 8:28 PM on December 24, 2007
Now that could fucking work.
Death is CGI with voice by John Rhys-Davies/Treebeard.
Could be a good voice..
Traci Griffith is Angua to me, but she's a little long in the tooth nowadays, so I'm thinking Beyonce.
Jesus fuck no. Angua needs to project some class. This is not something of which Beyonce is capable, no matter how hot she is.
Diane Keaton as Gytha Ogg.
Not old enough, cant be earthy enough--she doesn't have that twinkle in her eye.
Glenn Close as Esme Weatherwax.
Please tell me that was a joke. Granny Weatherwax needs fucking wrinkles, man.
posted by dirtynumbangelboy at 8:28 PM on December 24, 2007
I like Ian Richardson's Death. I don't think I could stand listening to "the sound of gravestones rubbing together and church bells tolling" for 189 minutes.
posted by stavrogin at 8:47 PM on December 24, 2007
posted by stavrogin at 8:47 PM on December 24, 2007
Nanny Ogg is Meryl Streep, with perhaps a few pounds put on.
Maybe Drew Barrymore as Magrat?
posted by Deathalicious at 3:25 AM on December 25, 2007
Maybe Drew Barrymore as Magrat?
posted by Deathalicious at 3:25 AM on December 25, 2007
I'm pretty certain that Granny Weatherwax is Maggie Smith through and through. Magrat has always been Carol Kane in my mind, although she's aged out of the role by now. Getting into appearance-over-substance territory, I've seen Vetinari modeled after Al Pacino, and it worked. Vimes looks like either Clint Eastwood or Tommy Lee Jones. Carrot is-- bear with me-- Brendan Fraser.
And finally, Christopher Lee did provide the voice of Death in the animated Soul Music adaptation. I can't imagine anyone else in the role.
posted by Faint of Butt at 7:13 AM on December 25, 2007
And finally, Christopher Lee did provide the voice of Death in the animated Soul Music adaptation. I can't imagine anyone else in the role.
posted by Faint of Butt at 7:13 AM on December 25, 2007
Granny Weatherwax: Anjelica Huston.
posted by rifflesby at 9:51 PM on December 26, 2007 [1 favorite]
posted by rifflesby at 9:51 PM on December 26, 2007 [1 favorite]
Susan Sarandon for Nanny Ogg, and for Granny either Anjelica, Rhea Perlman, or Tilda Swinton.
Lisa Kudrow or that dark-haired woman from Black Books for Magrat maybe?
posted by amberglow at 1:22 PM on December 27, 2007
Lisa Kudrow or that dark-haired woman from Black Books for Magrat maybe?
posted by amberglow at 1:22 PM on December 27, 2007
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