google restores deja view
April 27, 2001 11:07 AM   Subscribe

google restores deja view google restores usenet archives; according to the article, it's a better search engine than before.
posted by bliss322 (23 comments total)
Thank God. I'd been worried no one would ever see my enlightening Ned and Stacey post again.
posted by dhartung at 11:17 AM on April 27, 2001

My God - I just dug up some old & embarrassing posts from '94-'98 too. Just what I needed to see today...
posted by kokogiak at 11:28 AM on April 27, 2001

Wow, thank god, it's interesting to find cool stuff from way back 96 or 95.

on amk (alt.movies.kubrick) I found this -

From: Geoffrey Alexander (
Subject: Re: AI Release date?
Newsgroups: alt.movies.kubrick
View complete thread
Date: 1996/05/21 (Ebiri1) writes:

>In article <4nnfsb$>, (Geoffrey
>Alexander) writes:
>> Shooting on that picture is expected
>>between late July/early September, for release in 1996.
>Make that '97, since I certainly don't see K getting done with his
>post-prod. anytime before New Year's. Which is a good thing.

Ooops. I'm thinking it's 1995. Make that '97 indeed. Sorry :).

geoffrey alexander :

If you can talk brilliantly enough about a problem, it can
create the consoling illusion that it has been mastered...

stanley kubrick
posted by tiaka at 11:28 AM on April 27, 2001

Holy crap, I found the very first thing I ever posted to Usenet, from August 19, 1995. How beautiful is Google Groups?
posted by hijinx at 11:29 AM on April 27, 2001

I didn't notice much different about the interface except that now it tells you how many posts there are in a thread. It's less irritating than the "improved" Deja interface was, but still not great.
posted by briank at 11:33 AM on April 27, 2001

Hey, I just found the first mention of my website: September 3rd, 1996. I started it the previous month, so that's not bad. (Of course, the ref was in my .sig file, but you gotta start somewhere, right?)
posted by bjennings at 11:55 AM on April 27, 2001

shit - i just found something i posted in 1996 that i would pay handsomely to make disappear.

harken, users of the internet, and beware the illusion of anonymity!
posted by subpixel at 12:18 PM on April 27, 2001

subpixel: check this page. "Google will honor requests to remove messages that you have posted yourself. In Usenet parlance, this is known as nuking a post. If you would like to remove one or more posts from our archive, please send an email..."

email me for a mailing address for that fat check you promised ;)
posted by Sapphireblue at 1:19 PM on April 27, 2001

If you're like me, you've had about 10 different e-mail addresses since 1996, so just how are you going to PROVE to Google that you are now who you were then so they will nuke your post?
posted by briank at 1:22 PM on April 27, 2001

And what about any threads that quote the offending post verbatim - not much you can do 'bout that. Unless you want to become an army of impersonators.
posted by kokogiak at 1:25 PM on April 27, 2001

Deja used to make you "prove" it but Google just wants you to include a legal statement saying you're who you say you are. Also included on the help page for handy cut n paste.

kokogiak's point is a good one, though. Still, you can make sure anyone doing an author search on you doesn't come up with anything nasty, which is at least something.
posted by Sapphireblue at 1:35 PM on April 27, 2001

Yeesh, looking at that reminds me I used to spend way too much time in and And I have to admit I've always felt uneasy about someone making publicly available archives of posts from way back when most people believed their words would disappear within a couple of weeks.
posted by aaron at 2:33 PM on April 27, 2001

I actually wish there was more of my inanity left. I was pretty liberal with my use of X-No-Archive: yes, and asg-x (my old stomping ground) didn't start getting archived until 96 (though there are some crossposts that predate alt.* archiving), so much of it has zapped off into nothingness... Back then I used to be all into ridiculing the whole A-List/Dodgeball thing. What was I thinking?
posted by CrazyUncleJoe at 2:55 PM on April 27, 2001

Google proves wrong many of the guys who were to hasty to judge it.

A search for 'win2k' gets 150 results to me now...

Way to go, Google!
posted by kchristidis at 3:00 PM on April 27, 2001

Heh. I stopped into asg-x once or twice in, umm, 1995... and found the place to be full of people who were utterly full of themselves...

Which leads me to believe perhaps that I knew and loved CUJoe long before I *thought* I knew and loved CUJoe :D
posted by Sapphireblue at 3:11 PM on April 27, 2001

Oh I was there. Oh BOY was I there. Did you ever get pissed at the insularity and storm off in a huff? I never got tired of that!
posted by CrazyUncleJoe at 3:45 PM on April 27, 2001

Jorn notes that Google has done a wondrous thing: the old Deja URLs forward to the appropriate post on!

According to Lane or somebody else connected to the Deja of old, Google does want to work on things like the interface. They're just taking things one step at a time. The archive and underpinning structure seem to be taken care of, now, so maybe we'll see some UI improvements soon.
posted by dhartung at 3:45 PM on April 27, 2001

Makes me very happy. Also note that 'BETA' is still there in the Google Groups logo. Hopefully that indicates more to come.

It's very strange to suddenly have dejanews back. I can see, for instance, the moment I was corrupted: I thank someone for tipping me off to Jakob Nielsen back in 1997.


All downhill since then.
posted by artlung at 8:51 PM on April 27, 2001

Man, you can find out some *crazy* shit about your college buddies from dejanews/google. I need a drink...
posted by Danelope at 11:12 PM on April 27, 2001

But will they ever add archives back to when I led (and then accidentally betrayed) the invasion of by alt.shenanigans? Must have been 1992 or 1993...
posted by nicwolff at 12:33 PM on April 28, 2001

To the best of my knowledge, they never had the pre-96 alt.* archives - Deja, that is. I didn't know alt.shenanigans did raids under their own name - I thought it was alt.s members working as alt.syntax.tactical.

Normally I hate "cat" threads, but those were the best cat threads ever.
posted by CrazyUncleJoe at 2:43 PM on April 28, 2001

Didn't Henry Spencer supposedly have all of Usenet saved on tape someplace. Whatever happened with that?
posted by rodii at 3:27 PM on April 28, 2001

Oh, the invasion predated the use of alt.syntax.tactical, and probably its newgrouping. Four or five of us filled a.c.t. with discussions of stock-trading backend software - "clearing technology" - until one of us posted a gag message to alt.shen in the persona of the a.c.t. head ex-clam claiming to have found us out, and I (in the drunk wee hours) fell for it and posted an apology to a.c.t. Man, did alt.shen pile on me!
posted by nicwolff at 7:19 PM on April 29, 2001

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