Prop 8 The Musical- 6 weeks too late
December 3, 2008 7:19 AM Subscribe
Prop 8 The Musical Conceived and written by Broadway composer Marc Shaiman, starring Jack Black and John C. Reilly, and featuring an all-star cast.
I agree with the sentiment. Wanted to like it. But... meh.
posted by papercake at 7:29 AM on December 3, 2008
posted by papercake at 7:29 AM on December 3, 2008
With all due respect for his fine work in those P.T. Anderson movies I can't sit through, I would argue that the presence of John C. Reilly already disproves the claim "all-star cast".
posted by Joe Beese at 7:32 AM on December 3, 2008
posted by Joe Beese at 7:32 AM on December 3, 2008
Neil Patrick Harris is being all jazzy-cool now. TOTAL ASS.
posted by Tehanu at 7:35 AM on December 3, 2008
posted by Tehanu at 7:35 AM on December 3, 2008
Cute! And better than the last time Jack Black played a Jesus character in a musical.
Anyone got a full cast list?
posted by piratebowling at 7:40 AM on December 3, 2008 [1 favorite]
Anyone got a full cast list?
posted by piratebowling at 7:40 AM on December 3, 2008 [1 favorite]
I think this is it:
Cast (in order of appearance) California Gays and The People That Love Them Jordan Ballard, Margaret Cho, Barrett Foa, J.B. Ghuman, John Hill, Andy Richter, Maya Rudolph, Rashad Naylor, Nicole Parker Proposition 8'ers and The People That Follow Them Prop 8 Leader- John C. Reilly Prop 8 Leader's #1 Wife- Allison Janney Prop 8 Leader's #2 Wife- Kathy Najimy Riffing Prop 8'er-Jenifer Lewis A Preacher- Craig Robinson Scary Catholic School Girls From Hell-Rashida Jones, Lake Bell, Sarah Chalke The Frightened Villagers Katharine "Kooks" Leonard, Seth Morris, Denise "Esi!" Piane, Lucian Piane, Richard Read, Seth Redford, Quinton Strack, Tate Taylor Jesus Christ Jack Black A Very Smart Fellow Neil Patrick Harris Piano Player Marc "Marc" Shaiman
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 7:41 AM on December 3, 2008 [1 favorite]
Cast (in order of appearance) California Gays and The People That Love Them Jordan Ballard, Margaret Cho, Barrett Foa, J.B. Ghuman, John Hill, Andy Richter, Maya Rudolph, Rashad Naylor, Nicole Parker Proposition 8'ers and The People That Follow Them Prop 8 Leader- John C. Reilly Prop 8 Leader's #1 Wife- Allison Janney Prop 8 Leader's #2 Wife- Kathy Najimy Riffing Prop 8'er-Jenifer Lewis A Preacher- Craig Robinson Scary Catholic School Girls From Hell-Rashida Jones, Lake Bell, Sarah Chalke The Frightened Villagers Katharine "Kooks" Leonard, Seth Morris, Denise "Esi!" Piane, Lucian Piane, Richard Read, Seth Redford, Quinton Strack, Tate Taylor Jesus Christ Jack Black A Very Smart Fellow Neil Patrick Harris Piano Player Marc "Marc" Shaiman
posted by ThePinkSuperhero at 7:41 AM on December 3, 2008 [1 favorite]
I love Neil Patrick Harris with the heat of a billion suns. (Whoa! This is like "We Are the World" for homo-lovers!)
posted by ColdChef at 7:43 AM on December 3, 2008
posted by ColdChef at 7:43 AM on December 3, 2008
When did gays start being interested in musical theater??
posted by DU at 7:46 AM on December 3, 2008 [7 favorites]
posted by DU at 7:46 AM on December 3, 2008 [7 favorites]
WE ARE THE WORRRRRLD
WE LOVE NEIL PATRICK HARRIS LIKE OXYGEN THAT WE NEED TO LIIIIIVE
No that doesn't really work.
posted by Tehanu at 7:48 AM on December 3, 2008
WE LOVE NEIL PATRICK HARRIS LIKE OXYGEN THAT WE NEED TO LIIIIIVE
No that doesn't really work.
posted by Tehanu at 7:48 AM on December 3, 2008
Also: WHY AM I SEEING THIS NOW INSTEAD OF A MONTH AGO?
posted by ColdChef at 7:51 AM on December 3, 2008
posted by ColdChef at 7:51 AM on December 3, 2008
Because people thought Prop 8 would pass until late in the campaign when the polling numbers changed. And by then most people against Prop 8 were pouring their energies into the presidential race and other state and local campaigns. And the anti Prop 8 people were not as organized or well funded. Plus they weren't willing to lie, lie, lie about what the proposition said to swing people's votes. The ads were really awful.
The more important question is, why has this happened and how do we undo it?
posted by Tehanu at 8:02 AM on December 3, 2008
The more important question is, why has this happened and how do we undo it?
posted by Tehanu at 8:02 AM on December 3, 2008
Also: WHY AM I SEEING THIS NOW INSTEAD OF A MONTH AGO?
Yeah, recent polls show that enough people who voted yes on 8 have had a change of heart since the election to throw it the other way (by a slim margin). The no on 8 campaign was horribly inept.
One glitch though: In order to revise the constitution there needs to be a 2/3rds vote, not just a 50% vote. So it might not be possible to get rid of this in '10. I'm exactly sure how that works, though.
posted by delmoi at 8:06 AM on December 3, 2008
Yeah, recent polls show that enough people who voted yes on 8 have had a change of heart since the election to throw it the other way (by a slim margin). The no on 8 campaign was horribly inept.
One glitch though: In order to revise the constitution there needs to be a 2/3rds vote, not just a 50% vote. So it might not be possible to get rid of this in '10. I'm exactly sure how that works, though.
posted by delmoi at 8:06 AM on December 3, 2008
I'm only watching this if Jack Black kisses John C. Reilly. It's happened enough in my head, dammit, it should happen in life.
posted by The Whelk at 8:27 AM on December 3, 2008 [2 favorites]
posted by The Whelk at 8:27 AM on December 3, 2008 [2 favorites]
Plus they weren't willing to lie, lie, lie about what the proposition said to swing people's votes.
But they were willing to run ad after ad that absolutely refused to mention homosexuality, which sure made them sound dishonest. By trying to hide what the measure was about, it left them open to the (totally hideous) pro-8 ads.
posted by Bookhouse at 8:34 AM on December 3, 2008 [1 favorite]
But they were willing to run ad after ad that absolutely refused to mention homosexuality, which sure made them sound dishonest. By trying to hide what the measure was about, it left them open to the (totally hideous) pro-8 ads.
posted by Bookhouse at 8:34 AM on December 3, 2008 [1 favorite]
Is it wrong that I was all like "Hey! Andy Richter!"?
posted by rusty at 8:41 AM on December 3, 2008 [1 favorite]
posted by rusty at 8:41 AM on December 3, 2008 [1 favorite]
One glitch though: In order to revise the constitution there needs to be a 2/3rds vote, not just a 50% vote. So it might not be possible to get rid of this in '10. I'm exactly sure how that works, though.
Yeah, that seems a little hinky, since Prop 8 was essentially a revision to the state constitution, as an amendment. Why wouldn't just having another amendment repealing that one work, similar to the 18th and 21st amendments to the US constitution?
posted by LionIndex at 8:50 AM on December 3, 2008
Yeah, that seems a little hinky, since Prop 8 was essentially a revision to the state constitution, as an amendment. Why wouldn't just having another amendment repealing that one work, similar to the 18th and 21st amendments to the US constitution?
posted by LionIndex at 8:50 AM on December 3, 2008
One glitch though: In order to revise the constitution there needs to be a 2/3rds vote, not just a 50% vote. So it might not be possible to get rid of this in '10. I'm exactly sure how that works, though.
Easy. "All amendments above this one are non-binding historical commentary; the following, however, is not non-binding [DUPLICATE OF PRE-PROP 8 CONSTITUTION]". Or what LionIndex said, if you want to be less snarky about it.
posted by spaceman_spiff at 10:03 AM on December 3, 2008 [1 favorite]
Easy. "All amendments above this one are non-binding historical commentary; the following, however, is not non-binding [DUPLICATE OF PRE-PROP 8 CONSTITUTION]". Or what LionIndex said, if you want to be less snarky about it.
posted by spaceman_spiff at 10:03 AM on December 3, 2008 [1 favorite]
I'm only watching this if Jack Black kisses John C. Reilly.
This comment, and this post, seem as appropriate a prompt as any there may be to post Low. Contains Dave Grohl. Content not advisable for all musical tastes.
posted by dhartung at 10:53 AM on December 3, 2008
This comment, and this post, seem as appropriate a prompt as any there may be to post Low. Contains Dave Grohl. Content not advisable for all musical tastes.
posted by dhartung at 10:53 AM on December 3, 2008
This comment, and this post, seem as appropriate a prompt as any there may be to post Low
I had the sound off, so tell me, is the song about closeted meth-heads?
It's like all my best and worst dates rolled into one!
posted by The Whelk at 11:52 AM on December 3, 2008
I had the sound off, so tell me, is the song about closeted meth-heads?
It's like all my best and worst dates rolled into one!
posted by The Whelk at 11:52 AM on December 3, 2008
Um... so am I the only one that was depressed by the fact that the reason to dislike/vote against/not support proposition 8 is that gay folks are consumers?
Sigh.
posted by polexa at 10:30 PM on December 3, 2008
Sigh.
posted by polexa at 10:30 PM on December 3, 2008
polexa: "Um... so am I the only one that was depressed by the fact that the reason to dislike/vote against/not support proposition 8 is that gay folks are consumers?
Sigh."
The episode of The Simpsons that dealt with gay marriage suggested pretty much the same reason as to why not too discriminate against homosexual couples. For a while, I hated that that was the reason why they chose to say you shouldn't discriminate against them. Love, as far as I'm concerned, which is a natural and very human emotion, should be the one and only reason to support gay marriage and entering something as crass as money into the argument was abhorrent to me.
But the more I thought about it, the more I realised that in a society as consumer oriented as America... in a country where the dollar is all... well, the argument might just resonate and lead to social change. Once social change happens, the fact that it was money that changed peoples minds is no longer a concern. I dunno about you, but this is one case where I'd be willing to say that the ends justify the means.
So I'm OK with it, if that's what it takes. As for that Simpsons episode, maybe in the end I just hated it it because it was a crap episode.
posted by Effigy2000 at 3:26 AM on December 4, 2008
Sigh."
The episode of The Simpsons that dealt with gay marriage suggested pretty much the same reason as to why not too discriminate against homosexual couples. For a while, I hated that that was the reason why they chose to say you shouldn't discriminate against them. Love, as far as I'm concerned, which is a natural and very human emotion, should be the one and only reason to support gay marriage and entering something as crass as money into the argument was abhorrent to me.
But the more I thought about it, the more I realised that in a society as consumer oriented as America... in a country where the dollar is all... well, the argument might just resonate and lead to social change. Once social change happens, the fact that it was money that changed peoples minds is no longer a concern. I dunno about you, but this is one case where I'd be willing to say that the ends justify the means.
So I'm OK with it, if that's what it takes. As for that Simpsons episode, maybe in the end I just hated it it because it was a crap episode.
posted by Effigy2000 at 3:26 AM on December 4, 2008
(Telling people they should vote differently because their religion is stupid is a sure-fire way to win.)
But it's not saying their religion is stupid, it's pointing out a flaw in their logic. You can oppose gay marriage for whatever reason you deem appropriate, but if that reason is "The bible says it is a sin" - yet you don't have a problem with other things the bible says are sins, clearly there's something else at work. Whether or not the bible is 'stupid' doesn't enter into it.
If people take rational discourse as a personal insult, there's no reasoning with them ever.
posted by Solon and Thanks at 3:49 PM on December 5, 2008 [3 favorites]
But it's not saying their religion is stupid, it's pointing out a flaw in their logic. You can oppose gay marriage for whatever reason you deem appropriate, but if that reason is "The bible says it is a sin" - yet you don't have a problem with other things the bible says are sins, clearly there's something else at work. Whether or not the bible is 'stupid' doesn't enter into it.
If people take rational discourse as a personal insult, there's no reasoning with them ever.
posted by Solon and Thanks at 3:49 PM on December 5, 2008 [3 favorites]
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Also, if Jack Black is Jesus, does that make Jack White the Antichrist?
posted by hellojed at 7:24 AM on December 3, 2008