Nine Inch Cars
July 16, 2009 3:33 PM Subscribe
Last night at the London o2 arena, Gary Numan joined Trent and the gang on stage for an unexpected double bill rendition of Metal and Cars. The crowd went wild....
Must have been a nice change from the usually placid crowd at NiN shows.
posted by GuyZero at 3:49 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by GuyZero at 3:49 PM on July 16, 2009
You mock, GuyZero, but the last NIN show I went to (and consequentially the last stadium show I'll ever go to) I was stuck in the middle of a sea of people who couldn't be bothered to get out of their seats. It was maddening. Worse, they'd loudly berate anyone who was being too loud (?!?) or getting funny ideas about dancing or moving or having fun. It was miserable.
posted by lekvar at 3:53 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by lekvar at 3:53 PM on July 16, 2009
Well the fan base is starting to push 40 so we're not the moshers we used to be. It was nearly 20 years ago that they were getting radio airplay.
posted by GuyZero at 3:58 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by GuyZero at 3:58 PM on July 16, 2009
...the last NIN show I went to (and consequentially the last stadium show I'll ever go to) I was stuck in the middle of a sea of people who couldn't be bothered to get out of their seats. It was maddening. Worse, they'd loudly berate anyone who was being too loud (?!?) or getting funny ideas about dancing or moving or having fun. It was miserable.
That happened to me once, but then I realized I wasn't at a NIN concert. I was at a funeral. Boy was my face red!
posted by hifiparasol at 3:59 PM on July 16, 2009 [6 favorites]
That happened to me once, but then I realized I wasn't at a NIN concert. I was at a funeral. Boy was my face red!
posted by hifiparasol at 3:59 PM on July 16, 2009 [6 favorites]
Lekvar - I know what you mean, this was my third NIN gig and the first in a stadium (all three in London, Brixton 06 and the old London Forum beforehand, back in 94) and last night they struggled to get the crowd going until the final run, that said everyone around me at the end were going for it. I think the Numan apperance kinda saved the evening as it was quite a reaction. There are better SLYT links out there for the moment when they thundered into 'Cars'....I have thrown together a blog post if anyone's interested....
posted by Mintyblonde at 4:04 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by Mintyblonde at 4:04 PM on July 16, 2009
Nine Inch Nails is pretty awful but this wasn't. Thanks.
posted by basicchannel at 4:06 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by basicchannel at 4:06 PM on July 16, 2009
I was in high school when Numan came out with Cars. He was on SNL. I totally dug it. I was alone in West Texas, I might as well have been on another fucking planet entirely. Surrounded by people who thought that the sun and moon set on AC/DC. I used to have to explain to my friends/peers the difference between punk and new wave - they really couldn't tell.
Small town. Man, I am still bitter about that.
Glad to see Gary Numan finally getting the love and respect he deserves.
posted by Xoebe at 4:16 PM on July 16, 2009 [2 favorites]
Small town. Man, I am still bitter about that.
Glad to see Gary Numan finally getting the love and respect he deserves.
posted by Xoebe at 4:16 PM on July 16, 2009 [2 favorites]
Nine Inch Nails is pretty awesome and this was, too. Thanks.
posted by katillathehun at 4:19 PM on July 16, 2009 [4 favorites]
posted by katillathehun at 4:19 PM on July 16, 2009 [4 favorites]
I'm just gonna throw my counterpoint out... I saw NIN a few weeks ago at an outdoor venue and we were in the lawn seating and it was awesome. Moshing, loudness, cheering, good times all were had while the skies rained down on us. Hardly a placid crowd.
posted by Phantomx at 4:25 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by Phantomx at 4:25 PM on July 16, 2009
In the "Cars" link, people who I assume are security lifted 2 people out of the crowd and led them off. I know nothing about these things-was this a good thing or a bad thing for those people?
posted by MsElaineous at 4:37 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by MsElaineous at 4:37 PM on July 16, 2009
MsElaineous - in general, that's usually someone either crowdsurfing or asking to be let out. At the front of a large crowd like that, the temperature can be high, the pressure can be heavy and it's easy to get dizzy and dehydrated. I've often seen other concertgoers "escaping" over the barrier. I assume they get led around to the side of the crowd, which is presumably more sedate.
posted by Magnakai at 4:41 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by Magnakai at 4:41 PM on July 16, 2009
To actually answer your question - if it's what I describe, then it's good. I've seen security admonish people who were making trouble, but never actually seen them physically remove troublemakers. That's not to say that they wouldn't.
posted by Magnakai at 4:43 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by Magnakai at 4:43 PM on July 16, 2009
I got kicked in the teeth at a NIN show once (I was with a friend who insisted on being as close to the stage as possible and was just sure he could protect my petite frame from the insane moshers. HA. HAHA!). Security pulled me out of there, gave me some water and helped me around to the back where people weren't quite so maniacal.
posted by katillathehun at 4:46 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by katillathehun at 4:46 PM on July 16, 2009
Trent's really been doing his best to try to wind up this phase of his career on as high a note as possible. The Wave Goodbye Tour was hugely wonderful, coming right on the heels of Lights In The Sky... I managed to see NIN play more times in the past few years than I had dreamed would be possible in a lifetime. Suddenly the long silences were gone, and output was cranked WAY up, and nobody could possibly predict which angle Trent was going to aim from next. Once he's done with Europe, he has scheduled a handful of dates in NYC, Chicago, and LA, and then Nine Inch Nails will be put to rest. Maybe not forever, but for a good long while.
posted by hippybear at 5:09 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by hippybear at 5:09 PM on July 16, 2009
The Cars vid appears to have been shot using a Canon dSLR.
I love the future.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 5:09 PM on July 16, 2009
I love the future.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 5:09 PM on July 16, 2009
Best part of the Cars video? Trent on tambourine.
posted by Roman Graves at 5:29 PM on July 16, 2009 [3 favorites]
posted by Roman Graves at 5:29 PM on July 16, 2009 [3 favorites]
I don't know if you all know this, but Gary Numan has a pilot's license.
Imagine that!
posted by winna at 5:30 PM on July 16, 2009 [5 favorites]
Imagine that!
posted by winna at 5:30 PM on July 16, 2009 [5 favorites]
For a moment I read that as Randy Newman.
posted by Damn That Television at 5:37 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by Damn That Television at 5:37 PM on July 16, 2009
I came here to share the knowledge that Gary Newman has a pilots' license, but someone else beat me to it. But, also, he likes to go sailing every now and then.
posted by tiaka at 5:46 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by tiaka at 5:46 PM on July 16, 2009
Awesome! Hey, so if you're a NIN fan pushing 40, it just might tickle you to know that I got unto NIN at age 13 and Gary Numan 13 years after that! Phases of awesomeness, invert!
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 6:24 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by Ambrosia Voyeur at 6:24 PM on July 16, 2009
@MsElaineous: Ever been at the front during a stadium show when the crowd goes apes**t? Those couple of people you saw being pulled out were probably begging the security dudes to be pulled out of that crush. It's really hot, it's hard to breathe, and the waves of force crushing you against the front are unpredictable & beyond anyone's control. They just pull you out and steer you towards the back so you can get some "fresh" air.
As for the Cars video, I wanna be that drummer. That looks like a hella good time.
posted by Lukenlogs at 6:37 PM on July 16, 2009
As for the Cars video, I wanna be that drummer. That looks like a hella good time.
posted by Lukenlogs at 6:37 PM on July 16, 2009
I saw Gary Numan at MLG (Toronto) in '81 or '82. It was a good show - I believe for "Cars", Gary sat in a small electric bumper-car which meandered around the stage. I still have that LP somewhere in a subterranean vault.
Who's Trent Reznor?
(... ok I keed)
posted by Artful Codger at 6:49 PM on July 16, 2009
Who's Trent Reznor?
(... ok I keed)
posted by Artful Codger at 6:49 PM on July 16, 2009
Oh man, I would've crapped myself if I was there. That audience had a treat.
It's sad to see NIN going into hibernation but I'm thankful that I got to see them on the awesome Lights in the Sky tour.
posted by kryptondog at 7:17 PM on July 16, 2009
It's sad to see NIN going into hibernation but I'm thankful that I got to see them on the awesome Lights in the Sky tour.
posted by kryptondog at 7:17 PM on July 16, 2009
yeah MsElaineous, that's a good thing. Any decent large show like that will have guys that rescue people who get trapped at the front of the pit and want out. They pull your over and get you out to where you can re-enter without being crushed. My brother does this for Lolla sometimes, depending on the performer they pull a lot of people out.
Also to stay on topic, this was so totally awesome. I need to got to a NIN show again, and Gary Numan needs to show up.
posted by MrBobaFett at 7:46 PM on July 16, 2009
Also to stay on topic, this was so totally awesome. I need to got to a NIN show again, and Gary Numan needs to show up.
posted by MrBobaFett at 7:46 PM on July 16, 2009
Why is it that none of the Gary Numan trivia that you guys are bringing to the table involves cars. I would think he feels much safer there then in planes or boats.
posted by JonnyRotten at 8:01 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by JonnyRotten at 8:01 PM on July 16, 2009
I saw NIN at the Gorge this summer and was thrilled to see every single song posted on YouTube thanks to Trent's extremely open recording policy.
It's a good time to be a music fan.
posted by jragon at 8:03 PM on July 16, 2009
It's a good time to be a music fan.
posted by jragon at 8:03 PM on July 16, 2009
I interviewed Gary Numan about 3 million years ago at an airfield in Herts.(It must have been in the very early 90s - for either the Daily Mail - or Express). It was a slightly premature "where is he now?" profile piece - for some come-back gig. He was going to take me up in his plane (but the weather suddenly closed in). He was sweet, so very, very, very sweet, so sweet he was very nearly incredibly dull. He admitted to only ever eating fish fingers for tea - because he liked "routine". He was also very fond of his mum. Which i don't mean as code - because he was also plausibly flirty. Then right at the end of the interview he went slightly bananas & quietly exploded into a 40 minute fixed-stare rant about the Conspiracy Among Top DJs That Was Keeping His New Stuff Off Radio One And How He Had Secret Documents That Proved It. It just got terribly awkward. But I contrived a fairly lively piece anyway. (And his hair was like old-fashioned sofa stuffing. Dry & shiny. Looked rather glued on too. But I found a kind way of describing it. Because he was so terribly likeable!)
posted by Jody Tresidder at 8:15 PM on July 16, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by Jody Tresidder at 8:15 PM on July 16, 2009 [2 favorites]
Also, that's a Polymoog Numan's playing in the clips - fucking cool.
That's nothing.
posted by Sys Rq at 8:40 PM on July 16, 2009
That's nothing.
posted by Sys Rq at 8:40 PM on July 16, 2009
Why does Trent always do the coolest live shows outside the US? And why now, when NIN has already waved goodbye to US tours?
posted by dopamine at 9:13 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by dopamine at 9:13 PM on July 16, 2009
Glad to see Gary Numan getting work. I'd love to see him do a show again with the motorized chair from URGH!. I wonder if he still has it. I mean the chair. He obviously still has it.
posted by cRamsay at 10:01 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by cRamsay at 10:01 PM on July 16, 2009
In the "Cars" link, people who I assume are security lifted 2 people out of the crowd and led them off. I know nothing about these things-was this a good thing or a bad thing for those people?
I've been in shows where they will do things like pull diminutive girls out from the front of crushing crowds if they think there's risk involved. They'll take them out to a tent where a medic will check to make sure they're not getting heatstroke or having a seizure. Usually slightly bummy for the persons pulled out, since they miss the show, but better than dying halfway through the song.
posted by jscott at 10:10 PM on July 16, 2009
I've been in shows where they will do things like pull diminutive girls out from the front of crushing crowds if they think there's risk involved. They'll take them out to a tent where a medic will check to make sure they're not getting heatstroke or having a seizure. Usually slightly bummy for the persons pulled out, since they miss the show, but better than dying halfway through the song.
posted by jscott at 10:10 PM on July 16, 2009
Any decent large show like that will have guys that rescue people who get trapped at the front of the pit and want out.
At the '94 Lollapalooza (the one with Smashing Pumpkins headlining) I fought my way up to the front of the crowd for the Pumpkins' set (I was going through a brief but intense phase with that band). Even though it was a fairly cool evening, the heat and crush was pretty unbearable. At one point I noticed a petite girl about ten feet away from me standing up with her head lolling around and her eyes closed. As it happened she'd passed out entirely, but everyone was packed in so tight that she was being held upright by the rest of the crowd. People started asking the bouncers to give her a hand, and when one of them waded into the crowd and people backed away from her as best they could she dropped to the ground like a sack of potatoes. I can't even imagine how hot it must get towards the front of the crowd at festival shows on hot afternoons...
posted by The Card Cheat at 10:30 PM on July 16, 2009
At the '94 Lollapalooza (the one with Smashing Pumpkins headlining) I fought my way up to the front of the crowd for the Pumpkins' set (I was going through a brief but intense phase with that band). Even though it was a fairly cool evening, the heat and crush was pretty unbearable. At one point I noticed a petite girl about ten feet away from me standing up with her head lolling around and her eyes closed. As it happened she'd passed out entirely, but everyone was packed in so tight that she was being held upright by the rest of the crowd. People started asking the bouncers to give her a hand, and when one of them waded into the crowd and people backed away from her as best they could she dropped to the ground like a sack of potatoes. I can't even imagine how hot it must get towards the front of the crowd at festival shows on hot afternoons...
posted by The Card Cheat at 10:30 PM on July 16, 2009
Did you guys know that Gary Numan has a pirate's license?
posted by 2sheets at 11:52 PM on July 16, 2009
posted by 2sheets at 11:52 PM on July 16, 2009
I'm Trent's manwhore, but the Fear Factory version of Cars has been a favourite of mine for quite a while (especially with added benefit that Fear Factory made the music to Carmageddon, which is all about running over people with cars).
In other NIN collaboration fanboy squeeing, I cannot get enough of NIN+Dillinger Escape Plan playing 'Wish'. This is my idea of heaven.
posted by slimepuppy at 3:02 AM on July 17, 2009
In other NIN collaboration fanboy squeeing, I cannot get enough of NIN+Dillinger Escape Plan playing 'Wish'. This is my idea of heaven.
posted by slimepuppy at 3:02 AM on July 17, 2009
Gary Numan also loves guns and doesn't eat salad. He loves meat and chips.
His friends are electric and he is the generalissimo of The Tubeway Army.
posted by longbaugh at 5:26 AM on July 17, 2009 [2 favorites]
His friends are electric and he is the generalissimo of The Tubeway Army.
posted by longbaugh at 5:26 AM on July 17, 2009 [2 favorites]
Fucking gutted. I went to the Manchester NIN show on Tuesday. Sure NIN work better in smaller venues and I kept getting Janes Addiction confused with Alice in Chains. But the show was awesome. Would have been more awesome to see Gary Numan there.
I hope Trent stops doing new NIN music, or if he must, he should stick to the simple rules that make the good songs good: One or two short simple verses followed by a one or two line chorus that is repeated a lot.
mind you its not his fault that many of us fans didn't really bother to listen to anything after the Fragile :-/
But I really hope he doesn't hang up his boots from touring. I always look forward to NIN gig. And I always enjoy them.
posted by 13twelve at 5:36 AM on July 17, 2009
I hope Trent stops doing new NIN music, or if he must, he should stick to the simple rules that make the good songs good: One or two short simple verses followed by a one or two line chorus that is repeated a lot.
mind you its not his fault that many of us fans didn't really bother to listen to anything after the Fragile :-/
But I really hope he doesn't hang up his boots from touring. I always look forward to NIN gig. And I always enjoy them.
posted by 13twelve at 5:36 AM on July 17, 2009
bought a used car
and they say I'm a fool
because everytime it rains
it doubles as a pool
in cars
I used to love my friend's version of this when I was a kid. Always thought Are Friends Electric was buckets better. NiN I can do entirely without.
posted by juiceCake at 6:01 AM on July 17, 2009
and they say I'm a fool
because everytime it rains
it doubles as a pool
in cars
I used to love my friend's version of this when I was a kid. Always thought Are Friends Electric was buckets better. NiN I can do entirely without.
posted by juiceCake at 6:01 AM on July 17, 2009
I hope Trent stops doing new NIN music
Wish granted. He's stated that he's hanging up his NIN hat after this tour, although he's already doing the Ozzy / Cher thing of extending the farewell tour even before it's over.
or if he must, he should stick to the simple rules that make the good songs good: One or two short simple verses followed by a one or two line chorus that is repeated a lot.
Um... Okay. That's really not what makes NIN songs as fabulous as they are, but there's no accounting for taste. :)
Trent actually seems to be exploring a new form of songwriting on his last couple of albums. Good examples of this would be "The Greater Good" off of Year Zero and "Demon Seed" from The Slip. It's sort of a minimalist form applied to industrial music, with repeating motifs which cycle in and out and layer upon each other. It's really pretty interesting, although it does lack the sort of goth/prole appeal of the stomp-n-shout chorus.
mind you its not his fault that many of us fans didn't really bother to listen to anything after the Fragile :-/
Damn straight! *grin* I think a lot of the problem was the huge gaps between NIN releases nearly allowed fans to think they had disbanded. And then when they did appear with something new, there wasn't a lot of fanfare. I've found myself surprised during the last 5 years when someone said they heard the new NIN song on the radio, and even more amazed when people who I knew of as NIN fans in a former life were clueless about the releases after The Fragile.
Plenty of bands I've let slip away once they've let me down a couple of times. NIN never did that for me, and they're going out on a high note. I can't ask for anything more. (Well, except for a really stunning adaptation of Year Zero for HBO and for Trent to find a new musical context to explore for a while.)
posted by hippybear at 9:15 AM on July 17, 2009
Wish granted. He's stated that he's hanging up his NIN hat after this tour, although he's already doing the Ozzy / Cher thing of extending the farewell tour even before it's over.
or if he must, he should stick to the simple rules that make the good songs good: One or two short simple verses followed by a one or two line chorus that is repeated a lot.
Um... Okay. That's really not what makes NIN songs as fabulous as they are, but there's no accounting for taste. :)
Trent actually seems to be exploring a new form of songwriting on his last couple of albums. Good examples of this would be "The Greater Good" off of Year Zero and "Demon Seed" from The Slip. It's sort of a minimalist form applied to industrial music, with repeating motifs which cycle in and out and layer upon each other. It's really pretty interesting, although it does lack the sort of goth/prole appeal of the stomp-n-shout chorus.
mind you its not his fault that many of us fans didn't really bother to listen to anything after the Fragile :-/
Damn straight! *grin* I think a lot of the problem was the huge gaps between NIN releases nearly allowed fans to think they had disbanded. And then when they did appear with something new, there wasn't a lot of fanfare. I've found myself surprised during the last 5 years when someone said they heard the new NIN song on the radio, and even more amazed when people who I knew of as NIN fans in a former life were clueless about the releases after The Fragile.
Plenty of bands I've let slip away once they've let me down a couple of times. NIN never did that for me, and they're going out on a high note. I can't ask for anything more. (Well, except for a really stunning adaptation of Year Zero for HBO and for Trent to find a new musical context to explore for a while.)
posted by hippybear at 9:15 AM on July 17, 2009
Once he's done with Europe, he has scheduled a handful of dates in NYC, Chicago, and LA, and then Nine Inch Nails will be put to rest. Maybe not forever, but for a good long while.
My understanding was that he's done touring for the foreseeable future- or maybe forever- but that NIN will continue, albeit not at the prolific pace of the last 4 years. Perhaps I didn't catch that right?
posted by spaltavian at 10:38 AM on July 17, 2009
My understanding was that he's done touring for the foreseeable future- or maybe forever- but that NIN will continue, albeit not at the prolific pace of the last 4 years. Perhaps I didn't catch that right?
posted by spaltavian at 10:38 AM on July 17, 2009
My understanding was that he's done touring for the foreseeable future- or maybe forever- but that NIN will continue, albeit not at the prolific pace of the last 4 years. Perhaps I didn't catch that right?
Gah, I don't have the patience to listen through all the audio interviews with him I've heard in the past 4 months or so to find the citations... But if memory serves, the aggregate understanding I have gleaned from all the print and audio sources is: Trent is burnt out on NIN, is tired of feeling like he has to conform to the angst and intensity demanded by that brand. He's happy to be clean and sober and feeling productive, and has never felt more inspired. However, he's feeling penned in by the NIN concept, so he'll be leaving that behind and looking to create music and other art projects outside that umbrella. He is still talking to HBO about the YZ miniseries, and might do the threatened YZII album to coincide with that. Otherwise, he's pretty much looking at setting aside NIN for a good long while.
Everything I've read has been less about the touring (which he seems to love and hate at the same time) and more about just needing to do something else. Although I'd be surprised if the impending marriage doesn't play a bit into his wanting to be off the road for a while.
posted by hippybear at 10:51 AM on July 17, 2009
Gah, I don't have the patience to listen through all the audio interviews with him I've heard in the past 4 months or so to find the citations... But if memory serves, the aggregate understanding I have gleaned from all the print and audio sources is: Trent is burnt out on NIN, is tired of feeling like he has to conform to the angst and intensity demanded by that brand. He's happy to be clean and sober and feeling productive, and has never felt more inspired. However, he's feeling penned in by the NIN concept, so he'll be leaving that behind and looking to create music and other art projects outside that umbrella. He is still talking to HBO about the YZ miniseries, and might do the threatened YZII album to coincide with that. Otherwise, he's pretty much looking at setting aside NIN for a good long while.
Everything I've read has been less about the touring (which he seems to love and hate at the same time) and more about just needing to do something else. Although I'd be surprised if the impending marriage doesn't play a bit into his wanting to be off the road for a while.
posted by hippybear at 10:51 AM on July 17, 2009
I was in fifth grade, I think, when I got Gary Numan's The Pleasure Principle, which was the first certifiably cool album that wasn't by the Beatles that I ever owned. And my parents were total saints because they never once told me to knock it off when I played "Cars" for, like, the EIGHT HUNDREDTH TIME IN A ROW and did my little preteen robot dance around the living room.
Which is all preamble to stating the obvious: lord, how I loved this clip! Thanks!
posted by scody at 12:35 PM on July 17, 2009
Which is all preamble to stating the obvious: lord, how I loved this clip! Thanks!
posted by scody at 12:35 PM on July 17, 2009
Wow....I hope he can come up with something like that for the LA shows.
Allright....off to warm up the ol' trigger finger to get tickets for one of the said shows...
posted by arishaun at 4:35 PM on July 17, 2009
Allright....off to warm up the ol' trigger finger to get tickets for one of the said shows...
posted by arishaun at 4:35 PM on July 17, 2009
Trent is burnt out on NIN, is tired of feeling like he has to conform to the angst and intensity demanded by that brand. He's happy to be clean and sober and feeling productive, and has never felt more inspired. However, he's feeling penned in by the NIN concept, so he'll be leaving that behind and looking to create music and other art projects outside that umbrella.
From here:
Q: You’re putting NIN on hiatus after this “Wave Goodbye” tour but you’ll continue to make music. Is this because NIN as a concept has become a straightjacket for you, since essentially you are NIN?
A: No, I see what you mean. What I specifically said or meant to convey is that NIN as a touring live band or live band that’s on the road all the time is stopping. I’ve just reached the point ... where it has invaded every other aspect of my life. Also I think creatively, my time would be better spent on other stuff that could be NIN or outside NIN. Some of it may be collaborative things. I have a number of projects that are not music-related which I have put on the back burner for a long time...
posted by Auz at 10:42 AM on July 18, 2009
From here:
Q: You’re putting NIN on hiatus after this “Wave Goodbye” tour but you’ll continue to make music. Is this because NIN as a concept has become a straightjacket for you, since essentially you are NIN?
A: No, I see what you mean. What I specifically said or meant to convey is that NIN as a touring live band or live band that’s on the road all the time is stopping. I’ve just reached the point ... where it has invaded every other aspect of my life. Also I think creatively, my time would be better spent on other stuff that could be NIN or outside NIN. Some of it may be collaborative things. I have a number of projects that are not music-related which I have put on the back burner for a long time...
posted by Auz at 10:42 AM on July 18, 2009
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posted by lekvar at 3:39 PM on July 16, 2009