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July 19, 2009 12:19 AM Subscribe
Before it gets deleted as a double [feels like a double] how much is GCI or other forms of trickery? The one at 1:52 looks a bit suss.
Me and a buddy who was outrageously skilful tried doing something similar and it took us 5+ hours turn-for-turn to nail ONE similar feat.
But like these young lads... way way too much time on our hands so I'm not prepared to totally discount the possibility that it's all legit.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 12:41 AM on July 19, 2009
Me and a buddy who was outrageously skilful tried doing something similar and it took us 5+ hours turn-for-turn to nail ONE similar feat.
But like these young lads... way way too much time on our hands so I'm not prepared to totally discount the possibility that it's all legit.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 12:41 AM on July 19, 2009
*not beer. Also not 1 cup. Or 1 ball. May not be real. Enjoy at your own risk.
posted by iamkimiam at 12:45 AM on July 19, 2009
posted by iamkimiam at 12:45 AM on July 19, 2009
I was SO disappointed when I learned that the robots in Transformers 2 weren't real!
posted by cthuljew at 12:47 AM on July 19, 2009
posted by cthuljew at 12:47 AM on July 19, 2009
Thanks idiopath. I didn't entirely trust the one at 3:16 either. I couldn't seem to see the flight of the ball the whole way, but was too willing to put it down to the crap quality of Youtube, rather than editing.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 12:54 AM on July 19, 2009
posted by uncanny hengeman at 12:54 AM on July 19, 2009
Ugh. Let's forget this ever happened. Lame FPP.
On the bright side, we can talk about video editing!
posted by iamkimiam at 12:59 AM on July 19, 2009
On the bright side, we can talk about video editing!
posted by iamkimiam at 12:59 AM on July 19, 2009
SOMEONE GIVE ME A TOMBSTONE PILE DRIVER
I AM WEARING A TITLE BELT AND, AS A MATTER OF KARMA, I KNOW I HAVE NOT EARNED IT
posted by Damn That Television at 1:02 AM on July 19, 2009 [2 favorites]
I AM WEARING A TITLE BELT AND, AS A MATTER OF KARMA, I KNOW I HAVE NOT EARNED IT
posted by Damn That Television at 1:02 AM on July 19, 2009 [2 favorites]
Beer pong is not played using beer - that would be a waste of good beer. It's played for beer, using cups of water...
posted by benzo8 at 1:27 AM on July 19, 2009
posted by benzo8 at 1:27 AM on July 19, 2009
Beer nuts to your beer pong. I much prefer the old mailroom favourite Beverage Armageddon (about half way down that page).
posted by Gentlemanhog at 2:05 AM on July 19, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by Gentlemanhog at 2:05 AM on July 19, 2009 [1 favorite]
But like these young lads... way way too much time on our hands so I'm not prepared to totally discount the possibility that it's all legit.
Have a look at the one in the toilet (~1.37) the ball so obviously deviates to get to the cup it could not be anything other than faked.
posted by biffa at 2:15 AM on July 19, 2009
Have a look at the one in the toilet (~1.37) the ball so obviously deviates to get to the cup it could not be anything other than faked.
posted by biffa at 2:15 AM on July 19, 2009
Pong. The real deal is blow pong. One ping pong table, no net, two teams. Each team defends one side and one end of the table. Faces at table level a ping pong ball is placed in the center of the table and the blowing begins. If it goes off of your side/end your whole team chugs. Play is to 21, must win by two, and there will be penalty and social chugs along the way and then of course to survive (literally) there is the team power boot (the reverse of the chug if you must) about every five chugs as the game wears on, making this pretty much an outdoor sport.
posted by caddis at 2:33 AM on July 19, 2009
posted by caddis at 2:33 AM on July 19, 2009
1 ball, 1 cup: Far more preferable than 2 girls, 1 cup.
posted by Effigy2000 at 2:56 AM on July 19, 2009
posted by Effigy2000 at 2:56 AM on July 19, 2009
HOW COULD IT BE FAKE
THEY SHOWED THE BALLS IN THE CUP, NO?
posted by shakespeherian at 3:14 AM on July 19, 2009 [1 favorite]
THEY SHOWED THE BALLS IN THE CUP, NO?
posted by shakespeherian at 3:14 AM on July 19, 2009 [1 favorite]
Have a look at the one in the toilet (~1.37) the ball so obviously deviates to get to the cup it could not be anything other than faked.
Settle down, tiger. :)
I was too busy checking if he had downed trou. Then I was pontificating why he hadn't downed trou. Honestly.
He was sitting like he was taking a dump. But his pants were up. And the cubicle door was open. So many questions.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 3:14 AM on July 19, 2009
Settle down, tiger. :)
I was too busy checking if he had downed trou. Then I was pontificating why he hadn't downed trou. Honestly.
He was sitting like he was taking a dump. But his pants were up. And the cubicle door was open. So many questions.
posted by uncanny hengeman at 3:14 AM on July 19, 2009
The video at idiopath's link also has to be fake. The cat is talking but if you look closely you'll see that his mouth isn't moving.
posted by pracowity at 3:54 AM on July 19, 2009 [11 favorites]
posted by pracowity at 3:54 AM on July 19, 2009 [11 favorites]
Ladies and germs, I give you ther Beer Pong is Douchy [sic] Facebook group.
posted by pxe2000 at 4:16 AM on July 19, 2009
posted by pxe2000 at 4:16 AM on July 19, 2009
GO TO CLASS MOTHERFUCKERS!
posted by Divine_Wino at 5:22 AM on July 19, 2009
posted by Divine_Wino at 5:22 AM on July 19, 2009
Beer pong is not played using beer - that would be a waste of good beer.
From what I've seen, people playing beer pong aren't really concerned with good beer.</beersnob>
posted by revgeorge at 8:01 AM on July 19, 2009
From what I've seen, people playing beer pong aren't really concerned with good beer.</beersnob>
posted by revgeorge at 8:01 AM on July 19, 2009
The real deal is blow pong.
Thought you meant something different there.
posted by obvious at 9:19 AM on July 19, 2009
Thought you meant something different there.
posted by obvious at 9:19 AM on July 19, 2009
He was sitting like he was taking a dump. But his pants were up. And the cubicle door was open. So many questions.
Don't be concerned, k-k-k-Ken, he's just her brother.
posted by dhartung at 9:46 AM on July 19, 2009
Don't be concerned, k-k-k-Ken, he's just her brother.
posted by dhartung at 9:46 AM on July 19, 2009
I'm half prepared to believe that this is real. At that age, I could see the fun in doing 9,000,000 takes of these until you finally get it right. Of course, the really hard part would be training yourself not to jump up and down going "whooooo whooooo whoooo" when you finally got it right.
On the other hand, I don't see the fun at all in putting together the video as a fake. It would take you no time at all and everyone's going to assume it's faked anyway, so what's the pay off?
posted by yoink at 12:15 PM on July 19, 2009
On the other hand, I don't see the fun at all in putting together the video as a fake. It would take you no time at all and everyone's going to assume it's faked anyway, so what's the pay off?
posted by yoink at 12:15 PM on July 19, 2009
Hey kids of America, it's hand painted wooden ball-in-a-cup, Mexico's favorite toy for over 340 years. Who needs constant video game stimulation when theres ball-in-a-cup? You just toss the ball, catch it in the cup, dump it out of the cup, toss it, and catch it in the cup again. The ball is on a string and attached to the cup, so theres no worry if you dont catch the ball in the cup. And clean up is as easy as catching a ball, in a cup. So why spend another day not catching a ball in a cup when you can be catching a ball-in-a-cup?
posted by Afroblanco at 1:40 PM on July 19, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by Afroblanco at 1:40 PM on July 19, 2009 [1 favorite]
Beer pong is not played using beer - that would be a waste of good beer.
Whatever do you mean? Natty Light tastes better with a little ball grime in it.
posted by muddgirl at 1:51 PM on July 19, 2009
Whatever do you mean? Natty Light tastes better with a little ball grime in it.
posted by muddgirl at 1:51 PM on July 19, 2009
The one at 4:24 is pretty impressive, whether real or edited.
posted by Night_owl at 2:24 PM on July 19, 2009
posted by Night_owl at 2:24 PM on July 19, 2009
I love all the snarky comments that are like "Oh man you are so SHOCKED that this video is fake, what a naive rube you are!"
Do you guys just wander around the internet assuming everything is fake, as your default stance? Or have you never genuinely witnessed somebody do something difficult?
posted by tehloki at 3:20 PM on July 19, 2009 [1 favorite]
Do you guys just wander around the internet assuming everything is fake, as your default stance? Or have you never genuinely witnessed somebody do something difficult?
posted by tehloki at 3:20 PM on July 19, 2009 [1 favorite]
tehloki: just yesterday I found that youtube link about how to fake these sort of all-too-common throw thing into another thing videos (the guy had an fpp), so I figured info on how to fake it was apropos (though of course not proof that these particular videos were faked).
posted by idiopath at 5:56 PM on July 19, 2009
posted by idiopath at 5:56 PM on July 19, 2009
I kept remembering the catch-the-sunglasses-on-the-face thing.
Seems to me the best way (only way?) to show it was real would be to show the empty cup before the throw, and then after, show the ball in the cup. At least, it'd look a little less fake.
That's just me.
Some of these look way faker than others.
F'rinstance, the one at 1:57 where the cup is right up close to the camera, and the guy on the skateboard, well, you can't even see his hand when he throws, much less the ball: That's fakeable without even doing any editing at all. Just throw a ball (or mime throwing a ball), and have another person behind the camera drop a ball into the cup at the appropriate moment. Still might take a few tries to get the timing right, but requires no aim at all. It's the weakest of the bunch, I think. I knew that one was an easy fake as soon as I saw the cup.
And I'm not just talking out of my ass, either, in an "Ooh, that's fake cuz it's on the internet" way. I actually took editing classes at art school, FWIW. I spend a lot of my daydreaming-time thinking up easy ways to frame stuff for video so as to avoid, say, having to use dangerous props, like guns, or dangerous stunts, like fighting, and also to avoid having to use AfterEffects or some other digital solution. It's fun for me. And obviously for a lot of other people, too.
posted by Mister Moofoo at 6:35 PM on July 19, 2009
Seems to me the best way (only way?) to show it was real would be to show the empty cup before the throw, and then after, show the ball in the cup. At least, it'd look a little less fake.
That's just me.
Some of these look way faker than others.
F'rinstance, the one at 1:57 where the cup is right up close to the camera, and the guy on the skateboard, well, you can't even see his hand when he throws, much less the ball: That's fakeable without even doing any editing at all. Just throw a ball (or mime throwing a ball), and have another person behind the camera drop a ball into the cup at the appropriate moment. Still might take a few tries to get the timing right, but requires no aim at all. It's the weakest of the bunch, I think. I knew that one was an easy fake as soon as I saw the cup.
And I'm not just talking out of my ass, either, in an "Ooh, that's fake cuz it's on the internet" way. I actually took editing classes at art school, FWIW. I spend a lot of my daydreaming-time thinking up easy ways to frame stuff for video so as to avoid, say, having to use dangerous props, like guns, or dangerous stunts, like fighting, and also to avoid having to use AfterEffects or some other digital solution. It's fun for me. And obviously for a lot of other people, too.
posted by Mister Moofoo at 6:35 PM on July 19, 2009
I played beer pong in college, we played it on a ping pong table, with 4 cups full of beer one in the center of each outside square. Basically the same rules as ping pong while trying to lob ball into the opponent’s cup.
As for the video I was totally impressed with their aim, bummer it was faked because those boys looked like tossing prodigies however far that could get them in life their ability to edit film will probably serve them better!
posted by tothemoon at 4:55 AM on July 20, 2009
As for the video I was totally impressed with their aim, bummer it was faked because those boys looked like tossing prodigies however far that could get them in life their ability to edit film will probably serve them better!
posted by tothemoon at 4:55 AM on July 20, 2009
F'rinstance, the one at 1:57 where the cup is right up close to the camera, and the guy on the skateboard, well, you can't even see his hand when he throws, much less the ball: That's fakeable without even doing any editing at all. Just throw a ball (or mime throwing a ball), and have another person behind the camera drop a ball into the cup at the appropriate moment. Still might take a few tries to get the timing right, but requires no aim at all. It's the weakest of the bunch, I think. I knew that one was an easy fake as soon as I saw the cup.
And I'm not just talking out of my ass, either, in an "Ooh, that's fake cuz it's on the internet" way. I actually took editing classes at art school, FWIW. I spend a lot of my daydreaming-time thinking up easy ways to frame stuff for video so as to avoid, say, having to use dangerous props, like guns, or dangerous stunts, like fighting, and also to avoid having to use AfterEffects or some other digital solution. It's fun for me. And obviously for a lot of other people, too.
Wait--your "proof" that this is fake rests upon the fact that you took "editing classes at art school" and yet the one you single out at "way faker" than the others is one that, by your own admission, you can detect no editing tricks in (because, as you say, it wouldn't have needed any). In fact, your entire argument for how it is "way faker" than the others is simply the fact that it easily could have been faked because we don't follow the trajectory of the ball the whole way.
I think it's pretty clear that you are both "talking out of your ass" here and saying "that's fake cuz it's on the internet."
I'm not saying they're not all faked, but you have to bring something better than this before you claim that you've proven that they are.
posted by yoink at 6:38 AM on July 20, 2009
And I'm not just talking out of my ass, either, in an "Ooh, that's fake cuz it's on the internet" way. I actually took editing classes at art school, FWIW. I spend a lot of my daydreaming-time thinking up easy ways to frame stuff for video so as to avoid, say, having to use dangerous props, like guns, or dangerous stunts, like fighting, and also to avoid having to use AfterEffects or some other digital solution. It's fun for me. And obviously for a lot of other people, too.
Wait--your "proof" that this is fake rests upon the fact that you took "editing classes at art school" and yet the one you single out at "way faker" than the others is one that, by your own admission, you can detect no editing tricks in (because, as you say, it wouldn't have needed any). In fact, your entire argument for how it is "way faker" than the others is simply the fact that it easily could have been faked because we don't follow the trajectory of the ball the whole way.
I think it's pretty clear that you are both "talking out of your ass" here and saying "that's fake cuz it's on the internet."
I'm not saying they're not all faked, but you have to bring something better than this before you claim that you've proven that they are.
posted by yoink at 6:38 AM on July 20, 2009
Do you guys just wander around the internet assuming everything is fake, as your default stance?
Umm... yes? Is this a trick question?
posted by rusty at 1:00 PM on July 20, 2009
Umm... yes? Is this a trick question?
posted by rusty at 1:00 PM on July 20, 2009
The main thing that makes me think it's fake is that the balls don't even follow an arc. In the very first one, the ball is clearly going to the right of the cup until it blips in at the last moment.
Also, Whether it's fake or not, it has nothing to do with beer pong. Beer pong is on a flat table with constraining rules and opponents. Why aren't there any videos of impressive plays? Like, throwing, bouncing off of an opponent''s chest, bouncing with spin, or whatever? It's like soccer, kinda. Some of the worst players I've ever known have been very good jugglers with all kinds of fancy, inapplicable tricks.
I have never heard of anything remotely like the rules in the FPP, either.
posted by cmoj at 3:35 PM on July 20, 2009
Also, Whether it's fake or not, it has nothing to do with beer pong. Beer pong is on a flat table with constraining rules and opponents. Why aren't there any videos of impressive plays? Like, throwing, bouncing off of an opponent''s chest, bouncing with spin, or whatever? It's like soccer, kinda. Some of the worst players I've ever known have been very good jugglers with all kinds of fancy, inapplicable tricks.
I have never heard of anything remotely like the rules in the FPP, either.
posted by cmoj at 3:35 PM on July 20, 2009
I think it's pretty clear that you are both "talking out of your ass" here and saying "that's fake cuz it's on the internet."
Uh, not quite, yoink.
I was not saying "it's fake because it's on the internet" because
1) I don't believe that to necessarily be true, and
2) I deeply hate that "hurf durf computerz didit" attitude. It smacks of the dismissive, seen-it-all weltschmerz that I find so irritating to encounter in many aspects of life, not just on ye olde intarwebs. You know the type: You show someone something you think is cool, and rather than saying "Yeah, I've seen that before, but it is pretty cool," they say, "I saw that a year ago," as if that's all that needs to be said about it, and who am I to think that's cool anymore.
"Some of these are way faker than others" also means some of them look really convincing, just not this one.
I guess what I was trying to say was: "Hey! I know how that one worked! It goes like this! Isn't that neat?" Guess it came out wrong.
I wouldn't call it proof. I don't even know those guys.
But an in-camera trick like that is, to me, pretty obvious. It jumps out at me, sort of like when some of my graphic designer friends say, "You mean you really can't see what's wrong with that sign?" And I think, "Well, it's all spelled right..." and say "No." Then they start screaming and yelling about the kerning and why would you even use that font anyway.
Anyhow,
I admit that I didn't really have much of an idea about what was going on with a lot of the other ones until after I watched the vid in idiopath's link.
So I guess I was talking out of my ass a little.
You got me on that one.
I didn't mean to sound like an asshat. Didn't come out the way I intended.
(puts on ass-shaped hat, goes back to work)
posted by Mister Moofoo at 4:54 PM on July 20, 2009 [2 favorites]
Uh, not quite, yoink.
I was not saying "it's fake because it's on the internet" because
1) I don't believe that to necessarily be true, and
2) I deeply hate that "hurf durf computerz didit" attitude. It smacks of the dismissive, seen-it-all weltschmerz that I find so irritating to encounter in many aspects of life, not just on ye olde intarwebs. You know the type: You show someone something you think is cool, and rather than saying "Yeah, I've seen that before, but it is pretty cool," they say, "I saw that a year ago," as if that's all that needs to be said about it, and who am I to think that's cool anymore.
"Some of these are way faker than others" also means some of them look really convincing, just not this one.
I guess what I was trying to say was: "Hey! I know how that one worked! It goes like this! Isn't that neat?" Guess it came out wrong.
I wouldn't call it proof. I don't even know those guys.
But an in-camera trick like that is, to me, pretty obvious. It jumps out at me, sort of like when some of my graphic designer friends say, "You mean you really can't see what's wrong with that sign?" And I think, "Well, it's all spelled right..." and say "No." Then they start screaming and yelling about the kerning and why would you even use that font anyway.
Anyhow,
I admit that I didn't really have much of an idea about what was going on with a lot of the other ones until after I watched the vid in idiopath's link.
So I guess I was talking out of my ass a little.
You got me on that one.
I didn't mean to sound like an asshat. Didn't come out the way I intended.
(puts on ass-shaped hat, goes back to work)
posted by Mister Moofoo at 4:54 PM on July 20, 2009 [2 favorites]
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