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do you feel anything yet?
posted by stifford at 6:11 PM on November 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by stifford at 6:11 PM on November 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
For one glorious moment I took that spider video seriously.
Googling it did lead me to these great pictures of webs produced by drugged spiders and a ridiculous game where you can feed a spider drugs and see what happens.
posted by Solon and Thanks at 6:21 PM on November 27, 2009
Googling it did lead me to these great pictures of webs produced by drugged spiders and a ridiculous game where you can feed a spider drugs and see what happens.
posted by Solon and Thanks at 6:21 PM on November 27, 2009
(note: pictures are also questionable and [need source.] I found an article in New Scientist that uses the same photos and NASA story, so make of it what you will.)
posted by Solon and Thanks at 6:25 PM on November 27, 2009
posted by Solon and Thanks at 6:25 PM on November 27, 2009
I was actually going to post about the studies they did with autistic children and LSD in the thread where parents were giving their child marijuana but I ran out of ganas. I did a research project on LSD and the medical promise of the drug in humans is absurd. For a very amusing, light touch on the subject I can'[t recommend Acid Dreams highly enough.
It boggles the mind that LSD is actually a Schedule 1 drug. You know what the definition for a schedule 1 drug is? It has to be addictive, and it has to have NO medically approved purpose. The promise of LSD in early studies was immeasurable, it showed huge promise in treating alcohol addiction, child autism, obsessive compulsion, cluster headaches, while showing no signs of addiction or physically adverse side effects. That for some reason it is practically impossible to any kind of human research with LSD these days shows you how much that fear of the counter culture completely fucked us all.
posted by cyphill at 6:32 PM on November 27, 2009 [25 favorites]
It boggles the mind that LSD is actually a Schedule 1 drug. You know what the definition for a schedule 1 drug is? It has to be addictive, and it has to have NO medically approved purpose. The promise of LSD in early studies was immeasurable, it showed huge promise in treating alcohol addiction, child autism, obsessive compulsion, cluster headaches, while showing no signs of addiction or physically adverse side effects. That for some reason it is practically impossible to any kind of human research with LSD these days shows you how much that fear of the counter culture completely fucked us all.
posted by cyphill at 6:32 PM on November 27, 2009 [25 favorites]
cyphill - Damn right. Psilocybin has many of the same properties, and is also schedule 1. Other psychedelics have a lot of promise as well. The fact that they're almost universally banned worldwide says quite a lot about modern society
posted by crayz at 6:38 PM on November 27, 2009 [5 favorites]
posted by crayz at 6:38 PM on November 27, 2009 [5 favorites]
I've never seen Autistics on LSD Elephants, let alone the LSD Elephants themselves on LSD British Troops.
posted by DU at 6:45 PM on November 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by DU at 6:45 PM on November 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
More spiders on drugs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc
posted by tresbizzare at 6:46 PM on November 27, 2009 [3 favorites]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc
posted by tresbizzare at 6:46 PM on November 27, 2009 [3 favorites]
Damn right. Psilocybin has many of the same properties, and is also schedule 1. Other psychedelics have a lot of promise as well. The fact that they're almost universally banned worldwide says quite a lot about modern society
Please refer to Bill Hicks for a fairly concrete conclusion of why this is so.
posted by gcbv at 6:46 PM on November 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
Please refer to Bill Hicks for a fairly concrete conclusion of why this is so.
posted by gcbv at 6:46 PM on November 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
And the efficiency of the rocket launcher team was also very impaired.A couple of those words really, really don't belong together.
posted by Civil_Disobedient at 6:51 PM on November 27, 2009 [2 favorites]
do you feel anything yet?
Nope, I think this acid is green. Green, blue, and that's all there is. All there is. That's it, all there is, the acid! Too green, all blue. It's ALL BLUE! I HAVE TO GET OUT OF THESE CLOTHES OR THE ACID WONT WORK IT'S GREEN BLUE YELLOW ALL THERE IS.
posted by fuq at 7:13 PM on November 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
Nope, I think this acid is green. Green, blue, and that's all there is. All there is. That's it, all there is, the acid! Too green, all blue. It's ALL BLUE! I HAVE TO GET OUT OF THESE CLOTHES OR THE ACID WONT WORK IT'S GREEN BLUE YELLOW ALL THERE IS.
posted by fuq at 7:13 PM on November 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
THAT'S IT! I'M TIRED OF THIS MOTHERFUCKING PSYCHOACTIVE AGENT ON MY MOTHERFUCKING CORTEX!
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:21 PM on November 27, 2009
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:21 PM on November 27, 2009
I'd drop acid in a heartbeat, under two conditions: that it's actually LSD, and that I get to choose the environment. A ton of people I respect, and who became phenomenally successful, dropped acid and claim to have come out the better for it. It sounds like something well worth doing at least once.
posted by five fresh fish at 7:25 PM on November 27, 2009
posted by five fresh fish at 7:25 PM on November 27, 2009
Yeah but have you ever tried LSD.... on WEEEED?!
posted by hypersloth at 7:25 PM on November 27, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by hypersloth at 7:25 PM on November 27, 2009 [2 favorites]
Are spider nervous systems that analogous to human nervous systems? I'm surprised the psychoactive agents that affect humans also can have an affect on an invertebrate.
Are there any neurologists here to explain this?
Or is the problem me? Is my mammalian ego obscuring me from the truth that all neurons are one and that beyond the links we see, there are links we can't see, linking us to every leaf, atom, neutron star, and porcupine? After all, what is quantum theory for, if not for bringing us all together?
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:42 PM on November 27, 2009
Are there any neurologists here to explain this?
Or is the problem me? Is my mammalian ego obscuring me from the truth that all neurons are one and that beyond the links we see, there are links we can't see, linking us to every leaf, atom, neutron star, and porcupine? After all, what is quantum theory for, if not for bringing us all together?
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:42 PM on November 27, 2009
Things to do on LSD -- have somebody around who is not tripping, but who has tripped before. Be someplace where you can feel safe doing god-knows-what for 10 hours. Do it at night. Go outside. Watch a Disney Movie (doesn't matter which one, i mean last time I tripped I watched Emperor's New Groove, and I'm still convinced that it's a work of unrecognized genius). Be alone with someone you love. Listen to music with your eyes closed. Look in the mirror. Play video games.
Things not to do on LSD -- Go to the mall. Talk to the police. Drive. Think about death. Get into an argument. Watch Fox News. Look in the mirror. Be alone. Think about the vast expanse of the universe and your own small, insignificant place in it. Play poker for money. Go to work or school.
posted by empath at 7:44 PM on November 27, 2009 [15 favorites]
Things not to do on LSD -- Go to the mall. Talk to the police. Drive. Think about death. Get into an argument. Watch Fox News. Look in the mirror. Be alone. Think about the vast expanse of the universe and your own small, insignificant place in it. Play poker for money. Go to work or school.
posted by empath at 7:44 PM on November 27, 2009 [15 favorites]
PSA about acid. Unfortunately, you usually have to go up north of the border for the real primo PSAs on LSD.
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:47 PM on November 27, 2009
posted by mccarty.tim at 7:47 PM on November 27, 2009
I auditioned for a play while on acid. I remember doing an elaborate pantomime about playing baseball. Oddly, I didn't get the part. I'm not sure what the part was. Possibly, I didn't know then either.
posted by serazin at 8:02 PM on November 27, 2009 [4 favorites]
posted by serazin at 8:02 PM on November 27, 2009 [4 favorites]
The interesting thing to me about LSD is that pharmaceutical companies spend billions of dollars developing drugs that have marginal effects on the human psyche -- Prozac, adderal, etc, and the one drug that is almost magical in the profundity of the effect it has on human beings that take it is completely ignored.
You'd think there would be a LOT more interest in figuring out how the hell LSD works, because if you can unlock that, you can unlock a lot of what it means to be human being, to be conscious, to think, etc. With all the new technology we have to find out what's going on in the brain, I bet we could break a lot of new ground if we re-opened the field to psychedelic use.
posted by empath at 8:06 PM on November 27, 2009 [7 favorites]
You'd think there would be a LOT more interest in figuring out how the hell LSD works, because if you can unlock that, you can unlock a lot of what it means to be human being, to be conscious, to think, etc. With all the new technology we have to find out what's going on in the brain, I bet we could break a lot of new ground if we re-opened the field to psychedelic use.
posted by empath at 8:06 PM on November 27, 2009 [7 favorites]
I auditioned for a play while on acid. I remember doing an elaborate pantomime about playing baseball. Oddly, I didn't get the part. I'm not sure what the part was. Possibly, I didn't know then either.
Are you sure there was an audition?
posted by empath at 8:08 PM on November 27, 2009 [10 favorites]
Are you sure there was an audition?
posted by empath at 8:08 PM on November 27, 2009 [10 favorites]
Last time I dropped, I rode the bus around Portland (I'd never been there before) with my local friends, watched Mortal Kombat and tripped out on the industrial soundtrack, ate apricots off a tree in my friends' backyard, and played mini-golf at a broken-down course lit by one bank of lights from the driving range.
Good times! There's something about being on acid in a place that is utterly unfamiliar that makes both of them even more fun.
Damn. 1995...it's been way too long.
posted by Jimmy Havok at 8:27 PM on November 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
Good times! There's something about being on acid in a place that is utterly unfamiliar that makes both of them even more fun.
Damn. 1995...it's been way too long.
posted by Jimmy Havok at 8:27 PM on November 27, 2009 [1 favorite]
Things not to do on LSD... Think about death.
Definitely think about death. First time I tripped, I was tripping on mescaline hard enough I couldn't see, and I was lucky enough that I had a friend who took me aside, sat me down, looked me in the eyes, and in the most serious way possible, told me I was going to die. To this day, that is one of the best things anyone has ever done for me.
posted by fuq at 8:34 PM on November 27, 2009 [6 favorites]
Definitely think about death. First time I tripped, I was tripping on mescaline hard enough I couldn't see, and I was lucky enough that I had a friend who took me aside, sat me down, looked me in the eyes, and in the most serious way possible, told me I was going to die. To this day, that is one of the best things anyone has ever done for me.
posted by fuq at 8:34 PM on November 27, 2009 [6 favorites]
When I was a kid, we always did acid at night, and I always felt wrecked the next day. Of course, I attributed it to the drug. But then when I got older, due to circumstance rather than plan, I dropped a couple of times during that day, and glory be, no burnt-out feeling the next day. I realized that what I was attributing to the LSD was actually the result of staying up all night tripping.
posted by Jimmy Havok at 8:34 PM on November 27, 2009 [3 favorites]
posted by Jimmy Havok at 8:34 PM on November 27, 2009 [3 favorites]
I am surprised that the stories about mefites tripping on LSD don't consume a higher proportion of the thread, but I expect that to increase as the thread goes on. Seems people really really like to talk about their (positive) drug experiences. For some of us it's kind of tiresome to hear "duuude, I was soooo stoned!" over and over again.
As someone who had severely bad drug trips (not on LSD, I probably would have killed myself in some gruesome fashion if I had ever tried that), I feel it's important to mention that it doesn't always go well. Ending up in the mental ward is not fun, and there are worse fates as well.
Be careful.
posted by marble at 9:07 PM on November 27, 2009
As someone who had severely bad drug trips (not on LSD, I probably would have killed myself in some gruesome fashion if I had ever tried that), I feel it's important to mention that it doesn't always go well. Ending up in the mental ward is not fun, and there are worse fates as well.
Be careful.
posted by marble at 9:07 PM on November 27, 2009
I realized that what I was attributing to the LSD was actually the result of staying up all night tripping.
Wow--that's an awesome insight. And makes sense. But I seem to recall it dripping over well into the morning so you must have to take it about 10am for it work clear of your system enough to sleep normal hours.
posted by NailsTheCat at 9:19 PM on November 27, 2009
Wow--that's an awesome insight. And makes sense. But I seem to recall it dripping over well into the morning so you must have to take it about 10am for it work clear of your system enough to sleep normal hours.
posted by NailsTheCat at 9:19 PM on November 27, 2009
It's almost better to get a friend to slip a couple hits in your mouth an hour or so before you get up, while camping. This should be your idea, don't dose anyone without consent.
Then just lay there until the colors get too tasty to keep your eyes closed any longer.
Aaahhh... Rainbow Gatherings.
posted by Balisong at 9:28 PM on November 27, 2009
Then just lay there until the colors get too tasty to keep your eyes closed any longer.
Aaahhh... Rainbow Gatherings.
posted by Balisong at 9:28 PM on November 27, 2009
Agents of Satan are out there in the night... they're spread across the city hunting me down with their enzyme detectors.
posted by Monkeymoo at 9:30 PM on November 27, 2009
posted by Monkeymoo at 9:30 PM on November 27, 2009
I feel it's important to mention that it doesn't always go well.
I'm struggling to come up with anything that happened to me or any of my friends on drugs that is as bad as a night of having a few too many drinks.
posted by empath at 9:50 PM on November 27, 2009 [3 favorites]
I'm struggling to come up with anything that happened to me or any of my friends on drugs that is as bad as a night of having a few too many drinks.
posted by empath at 9:50 PM on November 27, 2009 [3 favorites]
Once I fell asleep on LSD and had a strange dreamlike experience.
posted by twoleftfeet at 9:52 PM on November 27, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by twoleftfeet at 9:52 PM on November 27, 2009 [2 favorites]
I've never seen Autistics on LSD Elephants, let alone the LSD Elephants themselves on LSD British Troops.
You're very clever, young man. But it's various things on LSD all the way down.
posted by nebulawindphone at 11:07 PM on November 27, 2009 [9 favorites]
You're very clever, young man. But it's various things on LSD all the way down.
posted by nebulawindphone at 11:07 PM on November 27, 2009 [9 favorites]
For some of us it's kind of tiresome to hear "duuude, I was soooo stoned!" over and over again.
For the sake of allowing people to make informed assessments of the risk-to-reward ratio involved in taking acid, you do right to point out that some people react very badly to hallucinogens, but for perspective:
Number of injuries or worse attributable to car accidents in the USA during the year 2002: 955 per 100,000 people, according to information from this site and a population estimate of 308,000.
Number of incidents of temporary or chronic psychosis attributable to LSD, according to an assessment made in 1960: 80 per 100,000 people with no psychiatric history (from an original estimate of 0.8 per 1000 in which the one sufferer in the study had a schizophrenic identical twin), and 180 per 100,000 people with a psychiatric history.
Number of incidents of temporary or chronic psychosis attributable to LSD, according to an assessment made in 1971: 0 per 100,000 people with no psychiatric history, and 900 per 100,000 people with a psychiatric history.
Links to those studies are on this wikipedia page.
Comparing the two results is somewhat complicated by the discrepancy between sample sizes, but I can assert with confidence that consuming hallucinogens is as safe or safer than driving a car, which is a daily activity for most people. Assuming that care is taken on the part of the consumer to investigate the psychiatric history of his or her parents, it's likely to be much safer than driving a car.
And re the story sharing, a lot of people regard it as a lot more than just being really stoned, and sharing stories about the topic at hand seems to happen in a lot of different threads here. Take it or leave it, but there's no need to de-legitimize something other people are enjoying.
posted by invitapriore at 11:09 PM on November 27, 2009
For the sake of allowing people to make informed assessments of the risk-to-reward ratio involved in taking acid, you do right to point out that some people react very badly to hallucinogens, but for perspective:
Number of injuries or worse attributable to car accidents in the USA during the year 2002: 955 per 100,000 people, according to information from this site and a population estimate of 308,000.
Number of incidents of temporary or chronic psychosis attributable to LSD, according to an assessment made in 1960: 80 per 100,000 people with no psychiatric history (from an original estimate of 0.8 per 1000 in which the one sufferer in the study had a schizophrenic identical twin), and 180 per 100,000 people with a psychiatric history.
Number of incidents of temporary or chronic psychosis attributable to LSD, according to an assessment made in 1971: 0 per 100,000 people with no psychiatric history, and 900 per 100,000 people with a psychiatric history.
Links to those studies are on this wikipedia page.
Comparing the two results is somewhat complicated by the discrepancy between sample sizes, but I can assert with confidence that consuming hallucinogens is as safe or safer than driving a car, which is a daily activity for most people. Assuming that care is taken on the part of the consumer to investigate the psychiatric history of his or her parents, it's likely to be much safer than driving a car.
And re the story sharing, a lot of people regard it as a lot more than just being really stoned, and sharing stories about the topic at hand seems to happen in a lot of different threads here. Take it or leave it, but there's no need to de-legitimize something other people are enjoying.
posted by invitapriore at 11:09 PM on November 27, 2009
Uh, population estimate of 308,000,000, not 308,000.
posted by invitapriore at 11:10 PM on November 27, 2009
posted by invitapriore at 11:10 PM on November 27, 2009
It boggles the mind that LSD is actually a Schedule 1 drug. You know what the definition for a schedule 1 drug is? It has to be addictive, and it has to have NO medically approved purpose.
Marijuana is schedule 1 too. But methamphetamine is Schedule 2 (it can be prescribed by a doctor). It isn't supposed to be a measure of how "bad" the drug is, just what they think about it's medical utility.
posted by delmoi at 11:43 PM on November 27, 2009
Marijuana is schedule 1 too. But methamphetamine is Schedule 2 (it can be prescribed by a doctor). It isn't supposed to be a measure of how "bad" the drug is, just what they think about it's medical utility.
posted by delmoi at 11:43 PM on November 27, 2009
Also, more youtube videos: Hot Girl on LSD, kids (~10 years old) talking about LSD experience
posted by delmoi at 11:46 PM on November 27, 2009
posted by delmoi at 11:46 PM on November 27, 2009
In regards to the article about autistic children, I am curious why they refer to them as "autistic schizophrenic", these two conditions are completely unrelated as far as I know. I realize it is from the 60's-70s, was the terminology just different back then?
posted by sophist at 11:52 PM on November 27, 2009
posted by sophist at 11:52 PM on November 27, 2009
Things I did for fun on LSD:
- Drive
- Mini golf (6 under par thank you very much)
- Watch Fantasia (in the theater, my first trip)
- Go for walks
- Play Foosball/pinball
- play music
- listen to music
- go to the airport (this was in the 70s, probably not quite so much fun now)
- go see Koyaanisqatsi (performed live with the P Glass ensemble)
- try running, you'll be amazed at how fast you are
- discus the nature of reality with your fellow trippers (sure you're all full of shit but it's still interesting).
I think the whole set and setting, don't upset yourself stuff is crap. Get scared, get real scared, face your fear and laugh at it. This takes practice and a little courage, but when you're done very little in the world or your own head has the power to freak you out.
posted by doctor_negative at 12:01 AM on November 28, 2009 [1 favorite]
- Drive
- Mini golf (6 under par thank you very much)
- Watch Fantasia (in the theater, my first trip)
- Go for walks
- Play Foosball/pinball
- play music
- listen to music
- go to the airport (this was in the 70s, probably not quite so much fun now)
- go see Koyaanisqatsi (performed live with the P Glass ensemble)
- try running, you'll be amazed at how fast you are
- discus the nature of reality with your fellow trippers (sure you're all full of shit but it's still interesting).
I think the whole set and setting, don't upset yourself stuff is crap. Get scared, get real scared, face your fear and laugh at it. This takes practice and a little courage, but when you're done very little in the world or your own head has the power to freak you out.
posted by doctor_negative at 12:01 AM on November 28, 2009 [1 favorite]
I am surprised that the stories about mefites tripping on LSD don't consume a higher proportion of the thread
Many Mefites realize that the community at large is net savvy and the degree of anonymity once enjoyed online no longer exists--especially in the uber-uptight American workforce.
posted by sourwookie at 12:09 AM on November 28, 2009
Many Mefites realize that the community at large is net savvy and the degree of anonymity once enjoyed online no longer exists--especially in the uber-uptight American workforce.
posted by sourwookie at 12:09 AM on November 28, 2009
If you have been wondering where all the acid went over the last decade, look into the arrest of one man in the year 2000: William Leonard Pickard. As improbably as it may sound, many sources agree he was the source for around 90% of the LSD manufactured in this country and distributed worldwide. Longer article from SFGate, if you are interested in the history and culture of LSD, his story is quite fascinating.
posted by sophist at 12:17 AM on November 28, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by sophist at 12:17 AM on November 28, 2009 [1 favorite]
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posted by not_on_display at 12:23 AM on November 28, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by not_on_display at 12:23 AM on November 28, 2009 [2 favorites]
I am surprised that the stories about mefites tripping on LSD don't consume a higher proportion of the thread
We've had that discussion plenty of times here before. If you want to go read or tell trip stories, head over to Erowid.
posted by sophist at 12:25 AM on November 28, 2009
We've had that discussion plenty of times here before. If you want to go read or tell trip stories, head over to Erowid.
posted by sophist at 12:25 AM on November 28, 2009
Fuck it - eat a tab, smoke a bowl the size of a wok and you're ready for anything.
posted by porn in the woods at 12:26 AM on November 28, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by porn in the woods at 12:26 AM on November 28, 2009 [1 favorite]
For some of us it's kind of tiresome to hear "duuude, I was soooo stoned!" over and over again.
Clearly you aren't so tired of it that you avoid clicking through to a thread where it is practically guaranteed that you'll be reading those stories. Huh.
posted by five fresh fish at 12:35 AM on November 28, 2009 [4 favorites]
Clearly you aren't so tired of it that you avoid clicking through to a thread where it is practically guaranteed that you'll be reading those stories. Huh.
posted by five fresh fish at 12:35 AM on November 28, 2009 [4 favorites]
empath: "Things to do on LSD -- Look in the mirror. "
Oh no...never do that. That way lies madness. Clouds are good though. Nice, fluffy, kaleidoscope clouds.
posted by dejah420 at 12:55 AM on November 28, 2009 [1 favorite]
Oh no...never do that. That way lies madness. Clouds are good though. Nice, fluffy, kaleidoscope clouds.
posted by dejah420 at 12:55 AM on November 28, 2009 [1 favorite]
Little known fact: up until the 1970s, British troops used to be paid in LSD.
posted by Abiezer at 1:21 AM on November 28, 2009
posted by Abiezer at 1:21 AM on November 28, 2009
They told me they were going to pay me in LSD but they really just put it on my tab.
posted by twoleftfeet at 1:52 AM on November 28, 2009 [5 favorites]
posted by twoleftfeet at 1:52 AM on November 28, 2009 [5 favorites]
I think the whole set and setting, don't upset yourself stuff is crap.
I think it takes a real connoisseur of the mindfuck to enjoy a bad trip. Get scared, get real scared, face your fear and laugh at it. I know people that did and went out of their way to go into dark places with acid or K or whatever, but I have done the whole 'complete ego death' thing, and I wouldn't recommend it for most people, especially not on the first trip.
Watch a fucking disney movie and take a walk in the park. Save the dark shit for your fourth or fifth trip.
posted by empath at 5:53 AM on November 28, 2009
I think it takes a real connoisseur of the mindfuck to enjoy a bad trip. Get scared, get real scared, face your fear and laugh at it. I know people that did and went out of their way to go into dark places with acid or K or whatever, but I have done the whole 'complete ego death' thing, and I wouldn't recommend it for most people, especially not on the first trip.
Watch a fucking disney movie and take a walk in the park. Save the dark shit for your fourth or fifth trip.
posted by empath at 5:53 AM on November 28, 2009
(urrh.. i accidentally pasted the second half of his quote into the middle of my response, but you get the idea)
posted by empath at 5:54 AM on November 28, 2009
posted by empath at 5:54 AM on November 28, 2009
Oh no...never do that. That way lies madness.
I don't know what you mean.
posted by empath at 5:56 AM on November 28, 2009
I don't know what you mean.
posted by empath at 5:56 AM on November 28, 2009
Too green, all blue. It's ALL BLUE!
But wait, look--REALLY look--green and blue are the exact SAME color when you really THINK about it, and it's the same even more so with orange and purple, it's just all these years we've been told these are the opposite ones, or separate colors, but they are THE EXACT SAME COLORS, just no one has the guts to ADMIT the truth that they're the SAME but when you try to go too much one way THAT IS THE SAME as going BACK the past way! and I've got to be HONEST about my whole life now...FROM NOW ON...ANY color knows this--see how the soap bubbles react when the air conditioner turns on?...the rainbows in those bubbles KNOW the TRUTH about the colors being exactly the SAME..and LISTEN the air conditioner motor is AGREEING ALSO with the truth..the air conditioner motor is CONFIRMING our TRUTH telling us WE KNOW IT in our mechanicals, we know the TRUTH about the colors in the CLOCKS of our HEARTS...
posted by applemeat at 8:06 AM on November 28, 2009
But wait, look--REALLY look--green and blue are the exact SAME color when you really THINK about it, and it's the same even more so with orange and purple, it's just all these years we've been told these are the opposite ones, or separate colors, but they are THE EXACT SAME COLORS, just no one has the guts to ADMIT the truth that they're the SAME but when you try to go too much one way THAT IS THE SAME as going BACK the past way! and I've got to be HONEST about my whole life now...FROM NOW ON...ANY color knows this--see how the soap bubbles react when the air conditioner turns on?...the rainbows in those bubbles KNOW the TRUTH about the colors being exactly the SAME..and LISTEN the air conditioner motor is AGREEING ALSO with the truth..the air conditioner motor is CONFIRMING our TRUTH telling us WE KNOW IT in our mechanicals, we know the TRUTH about the colors in the CLOCKS of our HEARTS...
posted by applemeat at 8:06 AM on November 28, 2009
From Delmoi's 10 year olds link:
[On LSD] You actually can have a religious experience, and it can be even more important than reading the Bible six times or becoming a pope...
There's why LSD is a schedule 1 drug.
posted by Dr. Send at 11:59 AM on November 28, 2009 [2 favorites]
[On LSD] You actually can have a religious experience, and it can be even more important than reading the Bible six times or becoming a pope...
There's why LSD is a schedule 1 drug.
posted by Dr. Send at 11:59 AM on November 28, 2009 [2 favorites]
Set and setting is NOT BS in any way. You should only give up control of these once you have had significant positive experiences with psychedelics, become VERY comfortable (or something like it) and built up the set of tools needed to 1. not freak out and 2. recover after freaking out.
Once in college on mushrooms I made the mistake of hanging out in a social situation (even with good friends) and being the only one tripping. Someone flipped to John Carpenter's vampire movie and it was right in the middle of probably the goriest scene in the movie. I went from blissful to nauseous, and decided I might throw up. On the way out of the room I lost consciousness because the freak-out became too much and my brain shut down (seems likely this was a quasi-epileptic fit where some part of my brain was over-firing and unable to calm down.) I awoke X minutes later to find that I was up against a wall, which turned into the floor, where I was face down and drenched in sweat. I had so much perspiration I thought I had both pissed and shit my pants (further inspection revealed this was not the case.) The president of the fraternity stepped over me and said "Wow! you ok? What's your poison tonight?" and I said in complete honestly "I don't remember."
One of the "friends" who laughed at me as I passed out eventually came out and helped me into his bedroom where I chilled out on the floor. For the next (some period of immesurable time) I stared at the back of my eyelids and was consoled by a number of very alien looking "innerspace" angels as I have come to view them. They communicated without words and gave me complete calm through a massive spiritual-information transaction. It was like being hugged by the whole universe.
Almost the exact same situation happened one other time, with the loss of control freak-out moment, epileptic faint, cold sweat upon waking. This time, after waking, a smart friend again took me to a comfortable place to chill out. I proceeded to have a MASSIVELY profound closed eye audio-visual explosion of inner music that I WAS CREATING in real time. It was pure bliss.
In each of these cases the freak-out was admittedly a necessary step towards one of the most profound and spiritual moments of my life, BUT I have had equally profound and spiritual results without the need for a "bad trip" experience (in these cases the set and setting, perhaps even inadvertently, had been tuned perfectly for a positive experience.) The utterly blissful "resolution" phase of the trip can also be born out of a much less violent mental up-heaving. Something as simple as realizing that "what is going on right now? what are we doing here?" can be answered with "we are just two dudes sitting and smoking a bowl in our dorm room", for example. Completely profound, blissful, and no freak-out required.
posted by cbecker333 at 12:59 PM on November 28, 2009
Once in college on mushrooms I made the mistake of hanging out in a social situation (even with good friends) and being the only one tripping. Someone flipped to John Carpenter's vampire movie and it was right in the middle of probably the goriest scene in the movie. I went from blissful to nauseous, and decided I might throw up. On the way out of the room I lost consciousness because the freak-out became too much and my brain shut down (seems likely this was a quasi-epileptic fit where some part of my brain was over-firing and unable to calm down.) I awoke X minutes later to find that I was up against a wall, which turned into the floor, where I was face down and drenched in sweat. I had so much perspiration I thought I had both pissed and shit my pants (further inspection revealed this was not the case.) The president of the fraternity stepped over me and said "Wow! you ok? What's your poison tonight?" and I said in complete honestly "I don't remember."
One of the "friends" who laughed at me as I passed out eventually came out and helped me into his bedroom where I chilled out on the floor. For the next (some period of immesurable time) I stared at the back of my eyelids and was consoled by a number of very alien looking "innerspace" angels as I have come to view them. They communicated without words and gave me complete calm through a massive spiritual-information transaction. It was like being hugged by the whole universe.
Almost the exact same situation happened one other time, with the loss of control freak-out moment, epileptic faint, cold sweat upon waking. This time, after waking, a smart friend again took me to a comfortable place to chill out. I proceeded to have a MASSIVELY profound closed eye audio-visual explosion of inner music that I WAS CREATING in real time. It was pure bliss.
In each of these cases the freak-out was admittedly a necessary step towards one of the most profound and spiritual moments of my life, BUT I have had equally profound and spiritual results without the need for a "bad trip" experience (in these cases the set and setting, perhaps even inadvertently, had been tuned perfectly for a positive experience.) The utterly blissful "resolution" phase of the trip can also be born out of a much less violent mental up-heaving. Something as simple as realizing that "what is going on right now? what are we doing here?" can be answered with "we are just two dudes sitting and smoking a bowl in our dorm room", for example. Completely profound, blissful, and no freak-out required.
posted by cbecker333 at 12:59 PM on November 28, 2009
sorry I should have said "mistake" with quotes in the second paragraph. Such things are sort of a gray area on psychedelics since cause and effect, positives and negatives, are actually one and the same.
posted by cbecker333 at 1:02 PM on November 28, 2009
posted by cbecker333 at 1:02 PM on November 28, 2009
I applaud giving autistic kids LSD.
It's a good first step.
Still, what's really needed is to give autistic kids acid, while they are being echolocated by dolphins.
Giving the dolphins LSD as well should be considered no more than an option, however.
posted by darth_tedious at 1:32 PM on November 28, 2009
It's a good first step.
Still, what's really needed is to give autistic kids acid, while they are being echolocated by dolphins.
Giving the dolphins LSD as well should be considered no more than an option, however.
posted by darth_tedious at 1:32 PM on November 28, 2009
One time I saw the wind. It was in arrows, like the weather forecast.
posted by snofoam at 1:49 PM on November 28, 2009 [2 favorites]
posted by snofoam at 1:49 PM on November 28, 2009 [2 favorites]
Did you see with all the colors of it though? If only you'd taken the Disney movie advice...
posted by solipsophistocracy at 3:22 PM on November 28, 2009
posted by solipsophistocracy at 3:22 PM on November 28, 2009
⦾_⦿
posted by not_on_display at 3:24 PM on November 28, 2009
posted by not_on_display at 3:24 PM on November 28, 2009
If anyone wants to try something a little more exciting while on lsd, clotheslines make great slingshots and martini glasses make great projectiles. Just sayin..
posted by mannequito at 3:43 PM on November 28, 2009 [1 favorite]
posted by mannequito at 3:43 PM on November 28, 2009 [1 favorite]
This should be your idea, don't dose anyone without consent.
I had the experience of being at a wonderful beach front lobster-steaming-fire-pit party, with a wonderful group, consisting of some of my oldest and best friends, and a whole bunch of cool new people. Someone, as a favor to us all, as I'm sure he thought, put a massive quantity of LSD in the mildly alcoholic fruit punch bowl.
In retrospect, I'm amazed at how long it took me to realize what was happening to me. Awkward inability to conduct a cogent conversation with the beautiful girl running the barbecue? Must just be love at first sight, I guess I'm nervous. Blinding hallucinations while walking halfway up the long wooden stairs to the beach? Must be some oxygen-deprivation effect, like standing up too fast, I'm probably climbing the stairs too quickly.
Ability to execute world class frisbee tricks in the roaring surf? Probably just trying to overcompensate for blowing it with the cute girl.
When the first guest was taken away much later in an ambulance, and we were told why, suddenly it all made sense. It was really bright sunshine out there, I suspect it would have been more obvious in a darker environment, but I still can't believe I didn't catch on sooner.
posted by StickyCarpet at 4:26 PM on November 28, 2009 [2 favorites]
I had the experience of being at a wonderful beach front lobster-steaming-fire-pit party, with a wonderful group, consisting of some of my oldest and best friends, and a whole bunch of cool new people. Someone, as a favor to us all, as I'm sure he thought, put a massive quantity of LSD in the mildly alcoholic fruit punch bowl.
In retrospect, I'm amazed at how long it took me to realize what was happening to me. Awkward inability to conduct a cogent conversation with the beautiful girl running the barbecue? Must just be love at first sight, I guess I'm nervous. Blinding hallucinations while walking halfway up the long wooden stairs to the beach? Must be some oxygen-deprivation effect, like standing up too fast, I'm probably climbing the stairs too quickly.
Ability to execute world class frisbee tricks in the roaring surf? Probably just trying to overcompensate for blowing it with the cute girl.
When the first guest was taken away much later in an ambulance, and we were told why, suddenly it all made sense. It was really bright sunshine out there, I suspect it would have been more obvious in a darker environment, but I still can't believe I didn't catch on sooner.
posted by StickyCarpet at 4:26 PM on November 28, 2009 [2 favorites]
Jesus Christ on a biscuit, how do we get this far into the thread without once mentioning the Grateful Dead?
posted by kgasmart at 4:36 PM on November 28, 2009
posted by kgasmart at 4:36 PM on November 28, 2009
What makes you think that we don't know how LSD works?
I was going to say something about why big pharma is unlikely to do anything with LSD (Hint: guys at top wear suits, are unlikely to believe that a product that let's you look into the eyes of God is likely to be much of a seller.) But while putting that together I learned a little piece of trivia about my career and world travels that I didn't know.
Once upon a time my corporate masters sent me here to trouble shoot an assay I developed. Here's the part I didn't know.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 12:28 AM on November 29, 2009
I was going to say something about why big pharma is unlikely to do anything with LSD (Hint: guys at top wear suits, are unlikely to believe that a product that let's you look into the eyes of God is likely to be much of a seller.) But while putting that together I learned a little piece of trivia about my career and world travels that I didn't know.
Once upon a time my corporate masters sent me here to trouble shoot an assay I developed. Here's the part I didn't know.
posted by Kid Charlemagne at 12:28 AM on November 29, 2009
What makes you think that we don't know how LSD works?
There's a big difference between explaining the biochemistry and explaining the effects.
posted by empath at 1:11 AM on November 29, 2009
There's a big difference between explaining the biochemistry and explaining the effects.
posted by empath at 1:11 AM on November 29, 2009
guys at top wear suits, are unlikely to believe that a product that let's you look into the eyes of God is likely to be much of a seller.
If it were completely legal, it would be. Prescription only, I dunno. I'd be hard pressed to come up with a conceivable reason to prescribe it to large numbers of people. Is 'spiritual malaise' a disease?
posted by empath at 1:16 AM on November 29, 2009
If it were completely legal, it would be. Prescription only, I dunno. I'd be hard pressed to come up with a conceivable reason to prescribe it to large numbers of people. Is 'spiritual malaise' a disease?
posted by empath at 1:16 AM on November 29, 2009
What makes you think that we don't know how LSD works?
We don't. Period. We don't know how the brain works. We do know a thing or two about LSD's purported mechanism of action , but as to how it actually all goes down, we've barely scratched the surface. If I'm wrong about this, please, by all means, introduce me to someone who can set me right. I've been looking for that person for more than a decade now though, and I ain't met em' yet...
posted by solipsophistocracy at 4:27 AM on November 29, 2009
We don't. Period. We don't know how the brain works. We do know a thing or two about LSD's purported mechanism of action , but as to how it actually all goes down, we've barely scratched the surface. If I'm wrong about this, please, by all means, introduce me to someone who can set me right. I've been looking for that person for more than a decade now though, and I ain't met em' yet...
posted by solipsophistocracy at 4:27 AM on November 29, 2009
empath asked: Is 'spiritual malaise' a disease?
Looking back at American history for the past 29 years, I'd say yes. LSD would be an awesome improvement. I suspect it may even cure teabaggers. Oh! I see! No wonder it's schedule 1!
posted by Goofyy at 7:59 AM on November 29, 2009
Looking back at American history for the past 29 years, I'd say yes. LSD would be an awesome improvement. I suspect it may even cure teabaggers. Oh! I see! No wonder it's schedule 1!
posted by Goofyy at 7:59 AM on November 29, 2009
Ah, yes, the British soldiers. We seem to get them on the blue every 4 months or so, and I think that is excellent.
As I said last time, I would love this guy to narrate my next acid trip.
"Notice the look of pure ecstasy in his eyes as Meatbomb gnaws and chews his blankie. Unlikely he'll be phoning for pizza delivery anytime soon."
posted by Meatbomb at 8:42 AM on November 29, 2009
As I said last time, I would love this guy to narrate my next acid trip.
"Notice the look of pure ecstasy in his eyes as Meatbomb gnaws and chews his blankie. Unlikely he'll be phoning for pizza delivery anytime soon."
posted by Meatbomb at 8:42 AM on November 29, 2009
Why would an elephant convert to Mormonism?
posted by Smedleyman at 4:08 PM on November 30, 2009
posted by Smedleyman at 4:08 PM on November 30, 2009
Why would an elephant convert to Mormonism?
Von Economo neurons are probably to blame for that sort of intuitive social decision making, and they've only thus far been found in humans, great apes, whales, dolphins, and elephants.
posted by solipsophistocracy at 4:13 PM on November 30, 2009
Von Economo neurons are probably to blame for that sort of intuitive social decision making, and they've only thus far been found in humans, great apes, whales, dolphins, and elephants.
posted by solipsophistocracy at 4:13 PM on November 30, 2009
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