Douglas Coupland designs clothing line, claims Canada not doomed
July 13, 2010 1:49 PM Subscribe
Douglas Coupland designs a clothing line for Roots, the Canadian “outdoorsy” retailer whose heyday, like Coupland’s, may well have passed. (Garish official splash screen.) Two points of MeFi interest: The motherboard pattern (at “Canada & International” store; at USA store; also at pop-up stores like Vancouver’s) and Coupland’s unexplicated claim that “[t]he sexiest thing about Canada is that we have a future.”
I might consider buying that t-shirt if it wasn't $50 and didn't have his name on it.
posted by Sys Rq at 1:56 PM on July 13, 2010
posted by Sys Rq at 1:56 PM on July 13, 2010
Canadians who know the brand, Roots, associate it with a kind of outdoorsy Crew/Fitch/Bauer feel.
In other words, Canadians who know the brand Roots associate it with American brands.
How very ... Canadian.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 1:58 PM on July 13, 2010 [2 favorites]
In other words, Canadians who know the brand Roots associate it with American brands.
How very ... Canadian.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 1:58 PM on July 13, 2010 [2 favorites]
In other words, Canadians who know the brand Roots associate it with American brands.
American brands that sell the same kind of stuff and are in the same mall? Yeah. We do. Is there something wrong with that?
posted by Sys Rq at 2:01 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
American brands that sell the same kind of stuff and are in the same mall? Yeah. We do. Is there something wrong with that?
posted by Sys Rq at 2:01 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
I would buy a Douglas Coupland-designed t-shirt only if it bore the words "ANTI-VICTIM DEVICE."
posted by AkzidenzGrotesk at 2:05 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by AkzidenzGrotesk at 2:05 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
A shame such an interesting idea gets such a poorly framed and cranky FPP.
Kudos to Roots for at least trying something new -- the splash screen was a fun segue into the point of Coupland's design thesis: that technology has a huge amount to do with our identity as a nation, as it helped bridge the gap that naturally occurs when you have so many people over so small a space.
This is also a huge departure for Roots, which is mainly famous for a beaver logo and big, chunky fonts on all their stuff.
Now I just wish I liked the clothes more.
posted by Shepherd at 2:09 PM on July 13, 2010
Kudos to Roots for at least trying something new -- the splash screen was a fun segue into the point of Coupland's design thesis: that technology has a huge amount to do with our identity as a nation, as it helped bridge the gap that naturally occurs when you have so many people over so small a space.
This is also a huge departure for Roots, which is mainly famous for a beaver logo and big, chunky fonts on all their stuff.
Now I just wish I liked the clothes more.
posted by Shepherd at 2:09 PM on July 13, 2010
For me Coupland has always been about surface and an odd nostalgia. He is nostalgic about everything - the past, the future, and the present, even as it is happening. I get that this longing underpins a genuine emotion of affection - but there's no riguer to what he does - just gentle sighing over and over again. He's got a couple of art pieces up in Vancouver including a Digital Orca. Looks great - but really, that's it.
Anyways - some of the stuff for Roots looks good, and that's all you can really ask of clothes.
posted by helmutdog at 2:10 PM on July 13, 2010 [2 favorites]
Anyways - some of the stuff for Roots looks good, and that's all you can really ask of clothes.
posted by helmutdog at 2:10 PM on July 13, 2010 [2 favorites]
Aww jeez, I just can't justify spending 40 bucks on a shirt. Or almost 2 grand on a jacket. You know what 2 grand is? A used Hyundai. Or a Roland TB-303.
posted by hellojed at 2:17 PM on July 13, 2010
posted by hellojed at 2:17 PM on July 13, 2010
I still think it's pretty messed up that they used Roots for the USA Olympic Team uniforms in Salt Lake City.
posted by smackfu at 2:25 PM on July 13, 2010
posted by smackfu at 2:25 PM on July 13, 2010
The crest on those polo shirts is pretty hype.
Ontario Coat of Arms
posted by tighttrousers at 2:25 PM on July 13, 2010
Ontario Coat of Arms
posted by tighttrousers at 2:25 PM on July 13, 2010
Douglas Coupland's time has passed? The guy still cranks out interesting books and artwork, and is on TV and radio from time to time. A great Canadian.
posted by KokuRyu at 2:31 PM on July 13, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by KokuRyu at 2:31 PM on July 13, 2010 [2 favorites]
in the 50's, the early 60's, we were the only country on earth that had electricity and communication systems, we didn't have any politics, there was no communism, no imperialism, there was nothing else driving it.
what
posted by Lemurrhea at 2:40 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
what
posted by Lemurrhea at 2:40 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
we didn't have any politics
DUDE.
April 20, 1963, the Front de libération du Québec sets off its first bombs in Quebec.
Coupland must be one of those Vancouver guys that doesn't consider anything east of Abbotsford to be "Canada."
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 2:50 PM on July 13, 2010 [6 favorites]
DUDE.
April 20, 1963, the Front de libération du Québec sets off its first bombs in Quebec.
Coupland must be one of those Vancouver guys that doesn't consider anything east of Abbotsford to be "Canada."
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 2:50 PM on July 13, 2010 [6 favorites]
Damn, I thought that said "a clothing line for Robots."
posted by moonmilk at 2:52 PM on July 13, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by moonmilk at 2:52 PM on July 13, 2010 [2 favorites]
Coupland must be one of those Vancouver guys that doesn't consider anything east of Abbotsford to be "Canada."
My first thought went to the imperialist aspect.
But yeah, not to mention the flag debate, the Quiet Revolution, the Saskatchewan doctors' strike, Korea...
Oh well, I guess the clothes are pretty. Although I've had a circuit board-based notebook for a few years, my sister brought it back from somewhere or another.
Not to mention my blueprint hoodie.
posted by Lemurrhea at 3:03 PM on July 13, 2010
My first thought went to the imperialist aspect.
But yeah, not to mention the flag debate, the Quiet Revolution, the Saskatchewan doctors' strike, Korea...
Oh well, I guess the clothes are pretty. Although I've had a circuit board-based notebook for a few years, my sister brought it back from somewhere or another.
Not to mention my blueprint hoodie.
posted by Lemurrhea at 3:03 PM on July 13, 2010
That test pattern is under copyright and used under license?? It's just a few colors arranged in bars. That would be like the LGBT community enforcing copyright on depictions of a banded rainbow flag.
Besides... I'm sure I saw that combination of color bands on the cassette fed loading screen of my Commodore 64. Prior art.
posted by vectr at 3:09 PM on July 13, 2010
Besides... I'm sure I saw that combination of color bands on the cassette fed loading screen of my Commodore 64. Prior art.
posted by vectr at 3:09 PM on July 13, 2010
we didn't have any politics
DUDE.
April 20, 1963, the Front de libération du Québec sets off its first bombs in Quebec.
Coupland must be one of those Vancouver guys that doesn't consider anything east of Abbotsford to be "Canada."
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 2:50 PM on July 13 [+] [!]
Oh - don't mention bombs... it makes Douglas think of gasoline - and you know, the smell of gasoline is so evocative. Smells like... the future! *Sigh...
posted by helmutdog at 3:24 PM on July 13, 2010
DUDE.
April 20, 1963, the Front de libération du Québec sets off its first bombs in Quebec.
Coupland must be one of those Vancouver guys that doesn't consider anything east of Abbotsford to be "Canada."
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 2:50 PM on July 13 [+] [!]
Oh - don't mention bombs... it makes Douglas think of gasoline - and you know, the smell of gasoline is so evocative. Smells like... the future! *Sigh...
posted by helmutdog at 3:24 PM on July 13, 2010
I was at the G-20 protests in Toronto (my first time there) where I saw a bunch of shoppers and passerbys get kettled by the police and I walked away thinking Canada IS doomed.
We're a police state, we don't do U.N. Peacekeeping missions and are stuck in the Afghan-war-without-end, the oil sands are creating huge toxic waste dumps, and the tax burden keeps shifting from businesses to the taxpayers.
Saskatchewan is a borderline desert that is experiencing massive flooding this year... This country has some pretty serious problems.
posted by Intrepid at 4:00 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
We're a police state, we don't do U.N. Peacekeeping missions and are stuck in the Afghan-war-without-end, the oil sands are creating huge toxic waste dumps, and the tax burden keeps shifting from businesses to the taxpayers.
Saskatchewan is a borderline desert that is experiencing massive flooding this year... This country has some pretty serious problems.
posted by Intrepid at 4:00 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
I am so damn tempted to get that motherboard skirt.
posted by piratebowling at 4:04 PM on July 13, 2010
posted by piratebowling at 4:04 PM on July 13, 2010
We're a police state
Oh, for fucks's sake...
posted by ethnomethodologist at 4:04 PM on July 13, 2010 [8 favorites]
Oh, for fucks's sake...
posted by ethnomethodologist at 4:04 PM on July 13, 2010 [8 favorites]
I am beginning to regard Coupland the visual artist as a blight on the Toronto landscape. He has his hooks into a few developers who will use his name to fulfil their art component obligation. He has three pieces that I know of in the city. The most recent is Canoe Park Landing, to which he contributed a canoe overlooking an expressway, some giant fish bobbers, and some pictures on poles that reference Terry Fox. This park, only open this year, is already looking tattered, untended and ignored. Outside a nearby condo are two large toy soldiers, apparently a tribute to Fort York, which is in the immediate area. These soldiers look plastic and silly. And at a new outdoor shopping mall in Don Mills, Canada's first planned community, he has contributed a clock tower based on the floor plans of the original Don Mills' houses. Again, clever in concept, disappointing in its reality. The houses held at all angles on branches don't really read as anything but plastic Monopoly type houses, and they don't do anything functionally to tell time. The actual time is provided by a small, difficult to read in the sunshine digital readout on the support.
posted by TimTypeZed at 4:04 PM on July 13, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by TimTypeZed at 4:04 PM on July 13, 2010 [2 favorites]
Coupland must be one of those Vancouver guys that doesn't consider anything east of Abbotsford to be "Canada."
Well, in fairness, all of the Roots "inspired by camping in Ontario" bullshit has very little resonance for Canadians who live west of Thunder Bay.
posted by KokuRyu at 4:18 PM on July 13, 2010 [2 favorites]
Well, in fairness, all of the Roots "inspired by camping in Ontario" bullshit has very little resonance for Canadians who live west of Thunder Bay.
posted by KokuRyu at 4:18 PM on July 13, 2010 [2 favorites]
We're a police state
This is satire right? It was your first ever visit to Toronto -- have you ever been outside the country? Have you ever visited to an ACTUAL police state? Have you ever talked to someone who lived in a police state and fled to Canada?
Because the notion that because some idiot cops in riot gear got a little inappropriately rough with some protestors over the course of a single weekend in one neighborhood of Canada's largest city somehow is in any way meaningfully equivalent to Canada being a "police state" is so laughable I barely know where to begin.
posted by modernnomad at 4:39 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
This is satire right? It was your first ever visit to Toronto -- have you ever been outside the country? Have you ever visited to an ACTUAL police state? Have you ever talked to someone who lived in a police state and fled to Canada?
Because the notion that because some idiot cops in riot gear got a little inappropriately rough with some protestors over the course of a single weekend in one neighborhood of Canada's largest city somehow is in any way meaningfully equivalent to Canada being a "police state" is so laughable I barely know where to begin.
posted by modernnomad at 4:39 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
Really KokuRyu? Everyone I meet here in Vancouver is originally from Ontario!
posted by Kirk Grim at 4:41 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
posted by Kirk Grim at 4:41 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
His 'heyday' in the sense of getting a ton of media attention may have passed, but the last two Coupland novels (The Gum Thief, Generation A) were pretty great, I thought.
posted by statolith at 4:49 PM on July 13, 2010
posted by statolith at 4:49 PM on July 13, 2010
Coupland has almost always mildly annoyed me since (and even at the time, to be honest), but Generation X, when it came out, for me, was a key that unlocked a door that I barely even knew was there.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:08 PM on July 13, 2010
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 5:08 PM on July 13, 2010
This is a total shot in the dark but I was curious about that as well... I spent the last 10 minutes looking up stuff that seems to have happened in 1910 in Canada and one possibility is that in 1910 the first municipalities were connected to the power grid. Coupland's theme for this line is "Canada Goes Electric", so that might be it.
posted by modernnomad at 5:09 PM on July 13, 2010
posted by modernnomad at 5:09 PM on July 13, 2010
tim:
the canoe park is so jolly and wonderful to see from that fucked up expressway, and it reminds us that a lake is a few miles off, i love that piece, plus i am glad that we finally have public sculpture made from work that actually represents the materials we use. as for the clothes, not his best work, but smarter then most designer led capsule collections
posted by PinkMoose at 5:18 PM on July 13, 2010
the canoe park is so jolly and wonderful to see from that fucked up expressway, and it reminds us that a lake is a few miles off, i love that piece, plus i am glad that we finally have public sculpture made from work that actually represents the materials we use. as for the clothes, not his best work, but smarter then most designer led capsule collections
posted by PinkMoose at 5:18 PM on July 13, 2010
hippybear: I didn't know he was gay. How odd not to know that about one of my favorite authors.
It was an open secret for a long time, at least until the NYT mentioned his architect partner in their home & gardens piece about his second house.
He's supportive of the local gay community, though; I remember seeing a tile collage of his as part of a silent auction during a drag show fundraiser for a fledgling drag collective (held on a Wednesday at a hipster bar. Welcome to East Vancouver.) a couple years back. I haven't seen the Digital Orca yet, and I'm kicking myself for not sneaking in to (or streaming) the speech he gave when UBC gave him an honourary doctorate in May, but I'll give the pop-up store a look before it closes up.
posted by heeeraldo at 5:39 PM on July 13, 2010
It was an open secret for a long time, at least until the NYT mentioned his architect partner in their home & gardens piece about his second house.
He's supportive of the local gay community, though; I remember seeing a tile collage of his as part of a silent auction during a drag show fundraiser for a fledgling drag collective (held on a Wednesday at a hipster bar. Welcome to East Vancouver.) a couple years back. I haven't seen the Digital Orca yet, and I'm kicking myself for not sneaking in to (or streaming) the speech he gave when UBC gave him an honourary doctorate in May, but I'll give the pop-up store a look before it closes up.
posted by heeeraldo at 5:39 PM on July 13, 2010
whose heyday, like Coupland’s, may well have passed.
I could quote myself from a recent comment:
"For a little while there Coupland was possibly the most hated writer in Canada, and I think it was mostly resentment snark over his early success. I think critics tended to dismiss some of his interesting transitional books like Life After God and Girlfriend in a Coma (paraphrase: "Just because the telephone doesn't have a cord, I'm supposed to be impressed?"). These books really endeavoured to capture an unsettled millennial zeitgeist, and I recommend them. Shame the foray into television didn't fly, I thought the jPod sit-com was hilarious, but apparently CBC viewers did not agree with me."
posted by ovvl at 5:40 PM on July 13, 2010
I could quote myself from a recent comment:
"For a little while there Coupland was possibly the most hated writer in Canada, and I think it was mostly resentment snark over his early success. I think critics tended to dismiss some of his interesting transitional books like Life After God and Girlfriend in a Coma (paraphrase: "Just because the telephone doesn't have a cord, I'm supposed to be impressed?"). These books really endeavoured to capture an unsettled millennial zeitgeist, and I recommend them. Shame the foray into television didn't fly, I thought the jPod sit-com was hilarious, but apparently CBC viewers did not agree with me."
posted by ovvl at 5:40 PM on July 13, 2010
When I glimpsed "Doug" and "clothing line" and "motherboard," I was firmly convinced that the post would end in the word Rushkoff.
That this is something from The Other Eighties Doug, Doug Coupland, quite surprises me.
I remember liking Gen X much more than I thought I would.
posted by darth_tedious at 5:47 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
That this is something from The Other Eighties Doug, Doug Coupland, quite surprises me.
I remember liking Gen X much more than I thought I would.
posted by darth_tedious at 5:47 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
"Shampoo Planet" still sucks.
posted by inturnaround at 5:59 PM on July 13, 2010
posted by inturnaround at 5:59 PM on July 13, 2010
Some of the art is kinda neat, but I just don't feel like it goes well on clothing. I'll admit that I'm a little jaded by the look of graphics on clothes, though. I was hoping for something a little more high-tech looking than just some screenprinting.
posted by orme at 6:14 PM on July 13, 2010
posted by orme at 6:14 PM on July 13, 2010
This is satire right? It was your first ever visit to Toronto -- have you ever been outside the country? Have you ever visited to an ACTUAL police state? Have you ever talked to someone who lived in a police state and fled to Canada?
Not a bit. Been to a few totalitarian states, including spending a lot of time in South Africa when it first became a democracy, passed through Cuba, was in Vietnam for a long time - I know what a totalitarian state looks like. Do you? Why do you think that putting a bunch of good guys in jail, and letting the cops beat on a bunch of others isn't a problem?
posted by Intrepid at 6:18 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
Not a bit. Been to a few totalitarian states, including spending a lot of time in South Africa when it first became a democracy, passed through Cuba, was in Vietnam for a long time - I know what a totalitarian state looks like. Do you? Why do you think that putting a bunch of good guys in jail, and letting the cops beat on a bunch of others isn't a problem?
posted by Intrepid at 6:18 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
Bwithh: “hmmm.... the 100th Anniversary Douglas Coupland Jacket costs US$1,973”
Hot damn, that exchange rate is getting ridiculous.
posted by koeselitz at 6:18 PM on July 13, 2010
Hot damn, that exchange rate is getting ridiculous.
posted by koeselitz at 6:18 PM on July 13, 2010
Oh, for fucks's sake...
Seriously are you people blind? We've had parliament suspended twice in the last few years because the PM doesn't want to leave office. We're talking violations of basic democratic freedoms.
posted by Intrepid at 6:22 PM on July 13, 2010
Seriously are you people blind? We've had parliament suspended twice in the last few years because the PM doesn't want to leave office. We're talking violations of basic democratic freedoms.
posted by Intrepid at 6:22 PM on July 13, 2010
Why do you think that putting a bunch of good guys in jail, and letting the cops beat on a bunch of others isn't a problem?
Of course it's a problem, I don't see anyone here arguing otherwise -- but hyperbolic declarations that it is somehow equivalent to a police state are absurd.
We've had parliament suspended twice in the last few years because the PM doesn't want to leave office. We're talking violations of basic democratic freedoms.
Harper is a colossal douche and I disagree with nearly everything he stands for, but this is an awfully amateurish understanding of our political system and of Commonwealth constitutional doctrine in general.
Anyway, we're clearly off topic now so I'll leave it at that.
As for the clothes -- it's definitely nice to see Roots branching out into something different, but I still don't see anything there that really grabs me, fashion-wise.
posted by modernnomad at 6:36 PM on July 13, 2010
Of course it's a problem, I don't see anyone here arguing otherwise -- but hyperbolic declarations that it is somehow equivalent to a police state are absurd.
We've had parliament suspended twice in the last few years because the PM doesn't want to leave office. We're talking violations of basic democratic freedoms.
Harper is a colossal douche and I disagree with nearly everything he stands for, but this is an awfully amateurish understanding of our political system and of Commonwealth constitutional doctrine in general.
Anyway, we're clearly off topic now so I'll leave it at that.
As for the clothes -- it's definitely nice to see Roots branching out into something different, but I still don't see anything there that really grabs me, fashion-wise.
posted by modernnomad at 6:36 PM on July 13, 2010
100 anniversary jacket: 1973 - 2073. The anniversary hasn't happened yet.
posted by joelf at 6:38 PM on July 13, 2010
posted by joelf at 6:38 PM on July 13, 2010
Include me in those who are annoyed by Coupland but still like him anyway. I can't really think of another author who has this effect on me--kind of like friends I've had, who drive me up a tree sometimes but are just...so...nice that I can't bring myself to be an asshole and stop hanging out with them.
And really, his nuclear-war nightmares in Life After God were amazingly like the ones I had in junior high (thanks, The Day After) and in a weird way, I found that comforting.
Plus he infected me with an intermittent longing to move to Vancouver. Maybe someday.
posted by emjaybee at 7:22 PM on July 13, 2010
And really, his nuclear-war nightmares in Life After God were amazingly like the ones I had in junior high (thanks, The Day After) and in a weird way, I found that comforting.
Plus he infected me with an intermittent longing to move to Vancouver. Maybe someday.
posted by emjaybee at 7:22 PM on July 13, 2010
I might consider buying that t-shirt if it wasn't $50 and didn't have his name on it.
A friend of mine was given a Roots sweatshirt for a Christmas gift. He returned it and the woman asked if there was anything wrong with it. He said, "It says Roots on it." She looked at him like he was crazy.
I mean seriously, I don't care how good (or bad) the quality of their clothes are. Why do they have to put their name and a Canadian flag on everything? I don't understand it any better than people who tattoo their own name on their arm. WTF are you wearing?!
posted by dobbs at 7:24 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
A friend of mine was given a Roots sweatshirt for a Christmas gift. He returned it and the woman asked if there was anything wrong with it. He said, "It says Roots on it." She looked at him like he was crazy.
I mean seriously, I don't care how good (or bad) the quality of their clothes are. Why do they have to put their name and a Canadian flag on everything? I don't understand it any better than people who tattoo their own name on their arm. WTF are you wearing?!
posted by dobbs at 7:24 PM on July 13, 2010 [1 favorite]
I have an almost total Venn overlap with people who bought the DVD version of the Helvetica documentary. I don’t think I have one reader whose living room has crown molding.
Heh. I like him, even if he isn't cool any more.
posted by mecran01 at 7:48 PM on July 13, 2010
Heh. I like him, even if he isn't cool any more.
posted by mecran01 at 7:48 PM on July 13, 2010
What dobbs said, a million times over. OTOH i'll still go check out the collection.
posted by furtive at 8:33 PM on July 13, 2010
posted by furtive at 8:33 PM on July 13, 2010
I don't even know what crown molding is.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:15 PM on July 13, 2010
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:15 PM on July 13, 2010
Logos on clothing? What will those crazy kids think up next?
posted by smackfu at 9:15 PM on July 13, 2010
posted by smackfu at 9:15 PM on July 13, 2010
Which means I must be SUPERcool. Or too lazy to Google it. But probably not both.
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:16 PM on July 13, 2010
posted by stavrosthewonderchicken at 9:16 PM on July 13, 2010
I have an almost total Venn overlap with people who bought the DVD version of the Helvetica documentary. I don’t think I have one reader whose living room has crown molding
Bah! It's this anti-suburban psuedo intellectual superiority that drives me crazy about Coupland (cause what the fuck does that statement even mean - except sound cute?) The fact that he grew up and continues to live in West Vancouver - THE Canadian proto white flight incredibly disprotionately wealthy suburb is kinda funny. Anyways.... to keep things on topic - nice shirts! I hope he designs underwear next.
posted by helmutdog at 9:46 PM on July 13, 2010
Bah! It's this anti-suburban psuedo intellectual superiority that drives me crazy about Coupland (cause what the fuck does that statement even mean - except sound cute?) The fact that he grew up and continues to live in West Vancouver - THE Canadian proto white flight incredibly disprotionately wealthy suburb is kinda funny. Anyways.... to keep things on topic - nice shirts! I hope he designs underwear next.
posted by helmutdog at 9:46 PM on July 13, 2010
Douglas Coupland's time has passed? The guy still cranks out interesting books...
Same book again and again.
Pretty good book though.
posted by rokusan at 1:14 AM on July 14, 2010 [1 favorite]
Same book again and again.
Pretty good book though.
posted by rokusan at 1:14 AM on July 14, 2010 [1 favorite]
That is about the least functional ecommerce website I've ever seen. Yuk!
(Nice jacket though, eventually)
posted by DanCall at 2:25 AM on July 14, 2010
(Nice jacket though, eventually)
posted by DanCall at 2:25 AM on July 14, 2010
Meh. Let me know when the Margaret Atwood collection is released.
posted by candyland at 6:34 AM on July 14, 2010
posted by candyland at 6:34 AM on July 14, 2010
Why do you think that putting a bunch of good guys in jail, and letting the cops beat on a bunch of others isn't a problem?
Nobody thinks this isn't a problem. But it happened once. To call Canada a police state because of one weekend of madness is a bit ridiculous though.
posted by antifuse at 12:04 PM on July 14, 2010
Nobody thinks this isn't a problem. But it happened once. To call Canada a police state because of one weekend of madness is a bit ridiculous though.
posted by antifuse at 12:04 PM on July 14, 2010
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