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November 10, 2010 11:04 AM Subscribe
Mehmet Ali Agca who tried to assassinate Pope John Paul II in 1981 was released from Prison earlier this year and has now alleged in a Turkish TV interview that the Vatican government had masterminded the move.
Originally Agca, who was a member of the Turkish Grey Wolves laid the blame at the door of the Bulgarian Secret Services.
Agca's Grey Wolf colleagues were involved in some interesting and nefarious business.
Meanwhile the crazy is running strong. (related).
Did Mehmet Ali Agca Go to the CIA School of False Flag Operations?
Yeah, I heard he got a B.S.
posted by 2bucksplus at 11:19 AM on November 10, 2010 [8 favorites]
Yeah, I heard he got a B.S.
posted by 2bucksplus at 11:19 AM on November 10, 2010 [8 favorites]
from the 2nd link:
In other statements he offered to team up with Dan Brown, the best-selling religious conspiracy writer, to produce a novel called The Vatican's Code.
If this can help in any way to get Dan Brown locked up and declared insane, then it will all have been worth it.
posted by philip-random at 11:24 AM on November 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
In other statements he offered to team up with Dan Brown, the best-selling religious conspiracy writer, to produce a novel called The Vatican's Code.
If this can help in any way to get Dan Brown locked up and declared insane, then it will all have been worth it.
posted by philip-random at 11:24 AM on November 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
CIA trying to assassinate a head of state?
How preposterous!
posted by Joe Beese at 11:27 AM on November 10, 2010
How preposterous!
posted by Joe Beese at 11:27 AM on November 10, 2010
Meanwhile the crazy is running strong
By 'the crazy' you must mean Michael Ledeen. And you're right, unfortunately.
posted by grounded at 11:38 AM on November 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
By 'the crazy' you must mean Michael Ledeen. And you're right, unfortunately.
posted by grounded at 11:38 AM on November 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
To paraphrase Robert Anton Wilson:
Of course there are big conspiracies afoot. There have always been big conspiracies afoot. It's how human beings do things. And if these conspiracies are "successful", then it follows that they tend to NOT make it into the News, or even eventually into our history books. Which begins to explain many of the big weird holes in these books.
posted by philip-random at 11:40 AM on November 10, 2010 [5 favorites]
Of course there are big conspiracies afoot. There have always been big conspiracies afoot. It's how human beings do things. And if these conspiracies are "successful", then it follows that they tend to NOT make it into the News, or even eventually into our history books. Which begins to explain many of the big weird holes in these books.
posted by philip-random at 11:40 AM on November 10, 2010 [5 favorites]
"CIA trying to assassinate a head of state?
How preposterous!"
For this head of state, well kinda. John Paul II was an essential component to US foreign policy in 1989
posted by Blasdelb at 11:43 AM on November 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
How preposterous!"
For this head of state, well kinda. John Paul II was an essential component to US foreign policy in 1989
posted by Blasdelb at 11:43 AM on November 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
Mehmet Ali Agca who tried to assassinate Pope John Paul II in 1981 was released from Prison earlier this year and has now alleged in a Turkish TV interview that the Vatican government had masterminded the move.
You means the Vatican was the mastermind behind releasing him from prison?
/*Goes to check article for fiendishly clever plan and explanation why releasing the pope assassin would be such a brilliant move for the Vatican.*/
Oh. I see.
posted by sour cream at 11:51 AM on November 10, 2010
You means the Vatican was the mastermind behind releasing him from prison?
/*Goes to check article for fiendishly clever plan and explanation why releasing the pope assassin would be such a brilliant move for the Vatican.*/
Oh. I see.
posted by sour cream at 11:51 AM on November 10, 2010
It is my policy not comment on sheep dipped detractors in need of a fist full of readies.
posted by clavdivs at 11:51 AM on November 10, 2010
posted by clavdivs at 11:51 AM on November 10, 2010
For this head of state, well kinda. John Paul II was an essential component to US foreign policy in 1989
you assume that the CIA are always on America's side ...
posted by philip-random at 11:52 AM on November 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
you assume that the CIA are always on America's side ...
posted by philip-random at 11:52 AM on November 10, 2010 [1 favorite]
As for the Vatican, I had heard it said that John Paul II wasn't, um, appreciated, amongst the worker bees there. But I don't think a Turk with a gun is the way such things are resolved, traditionally.
posted by Goofyy at 11:55 AM on November 10, 2010
posted by Goofyy at 11:55 AM on November 10, 2010
Which begins to explain many of the big weird holes in these books.
Which holes are those?
posted by spicynuts at 12:43 PM on November 10, 2010
Which holes are those?
posted by spicynuts at 12:43 PM on November 10, 2010
You cannae see the holes, spicynuts—they're indivisible!
posted by Mister_A at 1:05 PM on November 10, 2010
posted by Mister_A at 1:05 PM on November 10, 2010
You mean Mike Ledeen who pushed the Bulgarian connection; interesting!
posted by adamvasco at 1:21 PM on November 10, 2010
posted by adamvasco at 1:21 PM on November 10, 2010
spicynuts: "Which begins to explain many of the big weird holes in these books.
Which holes are those"
That's where I hide things. Makes it hard to follow the plot though.
posted by Splunge at 1:37 PM on November 10, 2010
Which holes are those"
That's where I hide things. Makes it hard to follow the plot though.
posted by Splunge at 1:37 PM on November 10, 2010
Check this link out for more background information on the ramifications of the attempted assasination from Adam Curtis' blog. His blog is great, btw, and so are his films.
posted by nikoniko at 3:14 PM on November 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
posted by nikoniko at 3:14 PM on November 10, 2010 [2 favorites]
Joe Beese: "CIA trying to assassinate a head of state?
How preposterous"
Come on, Joe, you know we only assassinate unconvicted American citizens!
posted by symbioid at 5:19 PM on November 10, 2010
How preposterous"
Come on, Joe, you know we only assassinate unconvicted American citizens!
posted by symbioid at 5:19 PM on November 10, 2010
Meanwhile the crazy is running strong
Dude tried to kill the frakin' Pope. The Crazy is assumed.
Of course, there's no reason to assume that the CIA would want a muslim to take out a high-profile, but strategically insignificant, target.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:52 PM on November 10, 2010
Dude tried to kill the frakin' Pope. The Crazy is assumed.
Of course, there's no reason to assume that the CIA would want a muslim to take out a high-profile, but strategically insignificant, target.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:52 PM on November 10, 2010
Arthur Bremer, Squeaky Fromme, Mehmet Ali Agca... It seems like all the attempted assassins are getting sprung from prison these days.
posted by jonp72 at 6:57 PM on November 10, 2010
posted by jonp72 at 6:57 PM on November 10, 2010
Today, I brought in the garbage, helped my paraplegic cat pee and made an amazing italian noodle meal while waiting for work to call me. I never once broke my vow to dilute my deed by relying on the letter "s". Thank you Michael Leveen.
posted by I love you more when I eat paint chips at 10:05 PM on November 10, 2010
posted by I love you more when I eat paint chips at 10:05 PM on November 10, 2010
"Of course, there's no reason to assume that the CIA would want a muslim to take out a high-profile, but strategically insignificant, target."
Pope John Paul II was many things, including high profile, but strategically insignificant was not one of them
posted by Blasdelb at 2:43 PM on November 13, 2010
Pope John Paul II was many things, including high profile, but strategically insignificant was not one of them
posted by Blasdelb at 2:43 PM on November 13, 2010
Pope John Paul II was many things, including high profile, but strategically insignificant was not one of them
Fair point, but I'm not sure he wouldn't have functioned as an anti-communist icon even in death by that time.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:14 PM on November 13, 2010
Fair point, but I'm not sure he wouldn't have functioned as an anti-communist icon even in death by that time.
posted by ChurchHatesTucker at 5:14 PM on November 13, 2010
But I don't think a Turk with a gun is the way such things are resolved, traditionally.
True. I believe poison is traditional in the assassination of Popes.
posted by John Kenneth Fisher at 4:07 AM on November 16, 2010
True. I believe poison is traditional in the assassination of Popes.
posted by John Kenneth Fisher at 4:07 AM on November 16, 2010
Actually the method of induced death for popes seems quite varied including Suffered a stroke while with a mistress or murdered by an outraged husband. But that was all a little while ago apart from the Pope John Paul 1 controversy / conspiracy theory.
posted by adamvasco at 4:43 AM on November 16, 2010
posted by adamvasco at 4:43 AM on November 16, 2010
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Oh good Lord.
posted by Old'n'Busted at 11:13 AM on November 10, 2010