April 25, 2000
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Pledge to be a part of the 2000 GLBT voter turnout. Straight, gay, bi...all signatures are welcome. Remember that for evil to triumph all that is necessary is for good men to do nothing.
And take to heart the words of Martin Niemoeller: "In Germany they came first for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."
And take to heart the words of Martin Niemoeller: "In Germany they came first for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up."
What I find terrifying is the fact that 33% of all LGBT people voted REPUBLICAN in the 1998 congressional (house of representatives) election. So I'm afraid that many of those LGBT people who are voting, are voting for the wrong people.
posted by UWliberal at 5:08 PM on April 25, 2000
posted by UWliberal at 5:08 PM on April 25, 2000
Personally, I don't understand how you can be gay and vote Republican and still live with yourself...
posted by veruca at 5:53 PM on April 25, 2000
posted by veruca at 5:53 PM on April 25, 2000
I'm not exactly sure what the Niemoeller quote has to with anything. They're going to go after the gays, then the lesbians, then the bis, and then the breeders? Are they even going after anyone? Or is this an attempt to start the conversation out with Nazi references, thus ensuring that there will be no actual content?
posted by faisal at 7:40 PM on April 25, 2000
posted by faisal at 7:40 PM on April 25, 2000
Gratuitous self-reference: it was a scoring post for the Pointless Accusations of Evil Game.
What I think is important is that gay people are being treated--legally--as different than us normal folk. That's just not right, no matter how you look at it. I'm an atheist, surely something as offensive to the holy sanctity of marriage as a gay union. Why can I get married, but gay people can't? Maybe someday they will level the playing field the other way, and I can't get married any more. I don't trust the motives of those who speak of the "sanctity of marriage," because invariably they are not speaking of me.
posted by mrmorgan at 8:09 PM on April 25, 2000
What I think is important is that gay people are being treated--legally--as different than us normal folk. That's just not right, no matter how you look at it. I'm an atheist, surely something as offensive to the holy sanctity of marriage as a gay union. Why can I get married, but gay people can't? Maybe someday they will level the playing field the other way, and I can't get married any more. I don't trust the motives of those who speak of the "sanctity of marriage," because invariably they are not speaking of me.
posted by mrmorgan at 8:09 PM on April 25, 2000
what a TROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if ever there was one......
posted by greyscale at 8:43 PM on April 25, 2000
posted by greyscale at 8:43 PM on April 25, 2000
I'm not trolling, greyscale. It honestly bothers me. Matt, you have my permission to delete my post if you agree that's a troll.
posted by mrmorgan at 9:00 PM on April 25, 2000
posted by mrmorgan at 9:00 PM on April 25, 2000
I don't think anyone here disagrees that equal rights for everyone is a good thing, and I think most people here are in agreement regarding legalizing "gay" marriage. I was just picking at the specific rhetoric of the opening post.
Speaking of which, to quote an old friend and teacher who happens to be gay: "What do you mean 'normal'. *We're* the normal ones."
posted by faisal at 11:06 PM on April 25, 2000
Speaking of which, to quote an old friend and teacher who happens to be gay: "What do you mean 'normal'. *We're* the normal ones."
posted by faisal at 11:06 PM on April 25, 2000
Well, I meant to put "normal" in quotes. . . .I hope the intent was clear. The "scoring post" in the Game was Veruca's, and I hope the humorous intent of that is clear. Not a troll, darnit. Grrr....
Enough apologetics. I am sorely tempted to move to California, just to help deal with their bad new law. But I can see some stuff coming up on the horizon here in Oregon that's just as bad.
posted by mrmorgan at 11:33 PM on April 25, 2000
Enough apologetics. I am sorely tempted to move to California, just to help deal with their bad new law. But I can see some stuff coming up on the horizon here in Oregon that's just as bad.
posted by mrmorgan at 11:33 PM on April 25, 2000
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