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Sites that are for adults should cater to all of grown-ups’ interests. Lots of people who are over 18 like sex, but they also like comedy and sports and music, so [it’s about] being able to cater to our audience base and to be able to provide opportunities for creators. from Keily Blair, OnlyFans: ‘We are an incredible UK tech success story’ [FT; ungated]
Yeah, I was going to post snark, but this was really interesting. I'm sure the business is run better than many other online services (low bar!), but the new owner - well, despite their attempt to be low-profile, billionaire gonna billionaire.
posted by lalochezia at 6:16 AM on March 2 [3 favorites]
posted by lalochezia at 6:16 AM on March 2 [3 favorites]
I like how she emphasizes over and over how much they moderate the site. I know there's no ethical pr0n under capitalism, but this seems about as good as we're likely to get.
posted by signal at 7:52 AM on March 2 [3 favorites]
posted by signal at 7:52 AM on March 2 [3 favorites]
I just wonder why you use the term “adult” rather than “porn”
"Yeah, that would be because of that smirk on your face right now. Screw you, btw" is what I wish had been said.
posted by tigrrrlily at 9:34 AM on March 2 [3 favorites]
"Yeah, that would be because of that smirk on your face right now. Screw you, btw" is what I wish had been said.
posted by tigrrrlily at 9:34 AM on March 2 [3 favorites]
20% commission is highway robbery.
posted by j_curiouser at 10:04 AM on March 2 [2 favorites]
posted by j_curiouser at 10:04 AM on March 2 [2 favorites]
De-stigmatization of the entire spectrum of sex work would not only reduce the overhead, it would probably result in OF's disappearance.
posted by tigrrrlily at 10:24 AM on March 2 [2 favorites]
posted by tigrrrlily at 10:24 AM on March 2 [2 favorites]
Unless it survived as a platform not built on push advertising.
posted by clew at 10:44 AM on March 2 [1 favorite]
posted by clew at 10:44 AM on March 2 [1 favorite]
It's behind a paywall. Everything's moderated. I guess I'm satisfied that it's meeting a need for consenting adults to pay other consenting for a felt need.
I enjoyed that London's Financial Times has posted an interview about a new woman CEO of a global leader in its space. I have additional questions. The following is critical, I'm generally positive for letting adults make adult choices and would want adults to responsibly enjoy their choices with consenting collaborators and partners.
From what I know of MetaFilter paying moderators, who's moderating every one of the 2.2m acts by creators in the past 6 months? What's the rejection rate and what's the welfare of the moderators like? I would like to know this before saying it's a safe space for adult content.
posted by k3ninho at 11:21 AM on March 2 [1 favorite]
I enjoyed that London's Financial Times has posted an interview about a new woman CEO of a global leader in its space. I have additional questions. The following is critical, I'm generally positive for letting adults make adult choices and would want adults to responsibly enjoy their choices with consenting collaborators and partners.
From what I know of MetaFilter paying moderators, who's moderating every one of the 2.2m acts by creators in the past 6 months? What's the rejection rate and what's the welfare of the moderators like? I would like to know this before saying it's a safe space for adult content.
posted by k3ninho at 11:21 AM on March 2 [1 favorite]
20% commission is highway robbery
It was a missed opportunity on the interviewer's part not to ask about how this compares to her complaints about the 30% that app platforms take.
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 11:23 AM on March 2 [3 favorites]
It was a missed opportunity on the interviewer's part not to ask about how this compares to her complaints about the 30% that app platforms take.
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 11:23 AM on March 2 [3 favorites]
I actually think they earn their 20%. With the amount of verifying and moderating they do to ensure their platform can stay open and ethical, they are providing a service that goes way beyond rent-seeking.
I found her discussion of prejudice against sex workers very interesting. I was impressed that her experience with the bank made her more empathetic towards the creators, and the emphasis she put on their rights throughout the interview.
posted by bluloo at 11:46 AM on March 2 [4 favorites]
I found her discussion of prejudice against sex workers very interesting. I was impressed that her experience with the bank made her more empathetic towards the creators, and the emphasis she put on their rights throughout the interview.
posted by bluloo at 11:46 AM on March 2 [4 favorites]
we can disagree. I'd need more info on the moderation practices to change my mind. it seems like more a legal cya than a worker value-add.
OF is literally rolling in giant piles of scrooge mcduck style cash. cloud web hosting is a solved problem, nothing innovative.
if there's an OF worker here, I'd love to hear an opinion - mods can help with an anonymous post.
posted by j_curiouser at 1:58 PM on March 2 [2 favorites]
OF is literally rolling in giant piles of scrooge mcduck style cash. cloud web hosting is a solved problem, nothing innovative.
if there's an OF worker here, I'd love to hear an opinion - mods can help with an anonymous post.
posted by j_curiouser at 1:58 PM on March 2 [2 favorites]
I don't know what a threat analysis chart might look like at OnlyFans HQ, but I can almost guarantee that they can come up with any number of scenarios where having a nicely diversified war chest they can't easily be cut off from by a change in banking and insurance regulations / sentiment is a requirement.
posted by tigrrrlily at 4:50 PM on March 2 [2 favorites]
posted by tigrrrlily at 4:50 PM on March 2 [2 favorites]
how this compares to her complaints about the 30% that app platforms take.
They’re doing everything they would need from the app and the App Store, and also making the content and dealing with considerable legal hassle, and still charging less overall. Seems like an easy pitch. Although FT could have asked them why they didn’t charge more, I guess.
posted by clew at 9:22 PM on March 2 [2 favorites]
They’re doing everything they would need from the app and the App Store, and also making the content and dealing with considerable legal hassle, and still charging less overall. Seems like an easy pitch. Although FT could have asked them why they didn’t charge more, I guess.
posted by clew at 9:22 PM on March 2 [2 favorites]
Organizing the content, not making it, oops.
posted by clew at 10:34 PM on March 2 [1 favorite]
posted by clew at 10:34 PM on March 2 [1 favorite]
also making the content
I don't think that's true? OF is middleware, a platform, not a studio.
In any case, almost all of what you've said is what Google, Microsoft, Sony etc. use as justification for charging what they do on their respective platforms. They take care of the legalities and the merchant processing, etc.
Some of those reasons might be justifiable — but ultimately this read more like a puff piece for not going into more depth into what the ownership actually does with that 20%, as well as not bothering to interview the actual content creators/sex workers, many of whom have been stiffed by OF in the past when (not) getting paid.
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 10:37 PM on March 2 [2 favorites]
I don't think that's true? OF is middleware, a platform, not a studio.
In any case, almost all of what you've said is what Google, Microsoft, Sony etc. use as justification for charging what they do on their respective platforms. They take care of the legalities and the merchant processing, etc.
Some of those reasons might be justifiable — but ultimately this read more like a puff piece for not going into more depth into what the ownership actually does with that 20%, as well as not bothering to interview the actual content creators/sex workers, many of whom have been stiffed by OF in the past when (not) getting paid.
posted by They sucked his brains out! at 10:37 PM on March 2 [2 favorites]
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Source:
https://twitter.com/mollybsimmons/status/1760030179156537425
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18eUDyYOABvY8V4v_XltNHEUmK1sjOPEixo7PaYDvRk4
posted by i like crows very much at 6:04 AM on March 4 [2 favorites]
#onlyfansstrike
#boycottonlyfans
#sexworkersforpalestine
At the beginning of February, The Rolling Stone published an article detailing the $11 million dollar donation of OnlyFans owner Leonid Radvinsky to AIPAC - the American Israel Public Affairs Committee. This donation was discovered in a report by The Lever, and Radvinsky’s donation was the largest single donation of AIPAC’s fundraising haul totaling over $90 million.
Since October 7th, the Israeli army has killed over 28,000 Palestinians and most recently Netanyahu is pushing for a bombing of Rafah, an area of Gaza where 1.4 million Palestinians are sheltering. We are over four months into Israel’s ongoing genocide of the Palestinian people, which began with the Nakba in 1948, and there is no end in sight as the United States shot down the UN resolution for ceasefire in December and are likely to do it again on Tuesday.
We are an autonomous group of sex workers and content creators calling for a dual strike and boycott of the OnlyFans platform in protest of their owner’s financial support of the Palestinian genocide. One of the most impactful ways we can show our support of the Palestinian people is to stop all financial support of companies that are giving monetary aid to Israel. We are not officially connected to the BDS Movement (Boycott, Divest, Sanctions), but we stand with and want to emulate their vision for a free Palestine and the active withdrawal from institutions that are investing and giving aid to Israel’s genocide of the Palestinian people.
Source:
https://twitter.com/mollybsimmons/status/1760030179156537425
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18eUDyYOABvY8V4v_XltNHEUmK1sjOPEixo7PaYDvRk4
posted by i like crows very much at 6:04 AM on March 4 [2 favorites]
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