This might come in handy sometime...
July 28, 2013 6:31 AM Subscribe
Ah! That's why it didn't come up in the Mefi search. Oh well, delete time, I reckon!
posted by flapjax at midnite at 6:47 AM on July 28, 2013
posted by flapjax at midnite at 6:47 AM on July 28, 2013
Hah! And I was the 2nd commenter in that thread! I been on the job too long!
posted by flapjax at midnite at 6:48 AM on July 28, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by flapjax at midnite at 6:48 AM on July 28, 2013 [2 favorites]
Mod note: It's been 6 years or so, and the old domain is dead; I think we can let this hang out.
posted by taz (staff) at 7:03 AM on July 28, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by taz (staff) at 7:03 AM on July 28, 2013 [1 favorite]
Huzzah!
posted by flapjax at midnite at 7:05 AM on July 28, 2013
posted by flapjax at midnite at 7:05 AM on July 28, 2013
Do consult the site, it's Hurrah!
posted by Gyan at 7:09 AM on July 28, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by Gyan at 7:09 AM on July 28, 2013 [1 favorite]
"This is Henry Kelly on Classic FM, and that was... Dvorak...
...it doesn't say who it's by, though."
posted by Segundus at 7:21 AM on July 28, 2013 [3 favorites]
...it doesn't say who it's by, though."
posted by Segundus at 7:21 AM on July 28, 2013 [3 favorites]
Oh, I thought it was gonna be this guide.
posted by moonmilk at 7:23 AM on July 28, 2013 [2 favorites]
posted by moonmilk at 7:23 AM on July 28, 2013 [2 favorites]
Plácido Domingo plah-thee-doh [audio sample] (European Spanish c/z = th instead of s)
Given that Placido has lived in Mexico since he was 8 and and has a Spanish accent when he speaks in interviews in Madrid but more of a Mexican accent when in Mexico, I'd say you are TOTALLY FINE saying "plah-see-doh"
posted by vacapinta at 7:24 AM on July 28, 2013 [1 favorite]
Given that Placido has lived in Mexico since he was 8 and and has a Spanish accent when he speaks in interviews in Madrid but more of a Mexican accent when in Mexico, I'd say you are TOTALLY FINE saying "plah-see-doh"
posted by vacapinta at 7:24 AM on July 28, 2013 [1 favorite]
"This is Henry Kelly on Classic FM, and that was... Dvorak...
...it doesn't say who it's by, though."
Pronounced Davor-ack, of course.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 7:24 AM on July 28, 2013
...it doesn't say who it's by, though."
Pronounced Davor-ack, of course.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 7:24 AM on July 28, 2013
Given that Placido has lived in Mexico
You talkin' 'bout Placebo Domingo? I always think his singing makes me feel better, but I'm not really sure...
posted by flapjax at midnite at 7:26 AM on July 28, 2013 [4 favorites]
You talkin' 'bout Placebo Domingo? I always think his singing makes me feel better, but I'm not really sure...
posted by flapjax at midnite at 7:26 AM on July 28, 2013 [4 favorites]
Since we're doing this again, and since they haven't changed any of the errors (in six years!), I'll reproduce my comment from last goaround:
I wish I could be enthusiastic, but I found too many mistakes right off the bat. Just in the Russian section:
Vladimir Ashkenazy vla-dee-meer ahsh-ken-ah-zee (Anglicized vla-di-meer is also fine)
The stress is on -nahz-, not -ahsh-.
Marina Mescheriakova mesh-chehr-yah-ko-va
The stress is on -ko-.
Modest Mussorgsky mo-dest
What happened to the last name? (It's moo-sor(k)-skee.)
Rodion Shchedrin ruh-dyohn sheh-dreen
It's ruh-dee-ohn (three syllables, not two).
Piotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky pyoh-tr eel-yich chiy-koff-skee
It's eel-yeech (stress on second syllable). And "iy" is a very odd way to spell the vowel in the first syllable of Tchaikovsky.
You know they've got a casual vibe
For some reason I don't find that inspiring in a reference site. If you're just rappin' about music, fine, but if you're trying to give accurate pronunciations, I'd like to feel you care enough to, you know, look things up. In a non-casual way.
posted by languagehat at 7:31 AM on July 28, 2013 [4 favorites]
I wish I could be enthusiastic, but I found too many mistakes right off the bat. Just in the Russian section:
Vladimir Ashkenazy vla-dee-meer ahsh-ken-ah-zee (Anglicized vla-di-meer is also fine)
The stress is on -nahz-, not -ahsh-.
Marina Mescheriakova mesh-chehr-yah-ko-va
The stress is on -ko-.
Modest Mussorgsky mo-dest
What happened to the last name? (It's moo-sor(k)-skee.)
Rodion Shchedrin ruh-dyohn sheh-dreen
It's ruh-dee-ohn (three syllables, not two).
Piotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky pyoh-tr eel-yich chiy-koff-skee
It's eel-yeech (stress on second syllable). And "iy" is a very odd way to spell the vowel in the first syllable of Tchaikovsky.
You know they've got a casual vibe
For some reason I don't find that inspiring in a reference site. If you're just rappin' about music, fine, but if you're trying to give accurate pronunciations, I'd like to feel you care enough to, you know, look things up. In a non-casual way.
posted by languagehat at 7:31 AM on July 28, 2013 [4 favorites]
My uncle is one of those drowsy-voiced DJs for a Jazz segment on our local NPR station. What I love about his show: He pronounces every part and letter of a URL whenever he needs to share one on the air.
"More information can be found at aich tee tee pee, colon forward-slash forward-slash,--that's two forward slashes--double-u double-u double-u dot---the dot there is a period--the punctuation mark period, not the word "period"--so, period Kay Ess Em You, another period, dot oh are gee."
posted by sourwookie at 7:33 AM on July 28, 2013 [5 favorites]
"More information can be found at aich tee tee pee, colon forward-slash forward-slash,--that's two forward slashes--double-u double-u double-u dot---the dot there is a period--the punctuation mark period, not the word "period"--so, period Kay Ess Em You, another period, dot oh are gee."
posted by sourwookie at 7:33 AM on July 28, 2013 [5 favorites]
Ladies and gentlemen, the estimable languagehat doesn't grace us with his presence nearly as often as in olden days, but I'm sure we're all delighted that he's decided to reprint his comment from years back, and here's hoping we'll see more of that from one of Metafilter's most erudite contributors! Bring back the classics!
posted by flapjax at midnite at 7:50 AM on July 28, 2013 [4 favorites]
posted by flapjax at midnite at 7:50 AM on July 28, 2013 [4 favorites]
Errors aside, if only such a pronunciation guide could be made for Indian classical music!
I listened, with great embarrassment, to the online-streamed tribute to Pdt. Ravi Shankar this past year on WKCR 89.9 FM in New York (where I was once a DJ on 'Garam Masala,' the precursor to its South Asian classical music show 'Raag Aur Taal'), and the host of hilarious mispronunciations regarding ragas, taals, and performers. A well-meaning bunch of kids, but the stumbling over the names were really jarring for an otherwise terrific 24-hour broadcast.
posted by junebug at 9:00 AM on July 28, 2013 [1 favorite]
I listened, with great embarrassment, to the online-streamed tribute to Pdt. Ravi Shankar this past year on WKCR 89.9 FM in New York (where I was once a DJ on 'Garam Masala,' the precursor to its South Asian classical music show 'Raag Aur Taal'), and the host of hilarious mispronunciations regarding ragas, taals, and performers. A well-meaning bunch of kids, but the stumbling over the names were really jarring for an otherwise terrific 24-hour broadcast.
posted by junebug at 9:00 AM on July 28, 2013 [1 favorite]
Bring back the classics!
I assumed it was a remix. Some of the percussion seemed louder this time.
posted by mintcake! at 9:05 AM on July 28, 2013
I assumed it was a remix. Some of the percussion seemed louder this time.
posted by mintcake! at 9:05 AM on July 28, 2013
Better make use of this quick before it turns into a countdown to a Saved by the Bell reboot or something.
posted by Naberius at 9:29 AM on July 28, 2013 [1 favorite]
posted by Naberius at 9:29 AM on July 28, 2013 [1 favorite]
I was hoping this would be a guide for how KUSC's Jim Svejda could stop swallowing his words (I listen in a car and can't understand a word he says.)
posted by mrhappy at 10:05 AM on July 28, 2013
posted by mrhappy at 10:05 AM on July 28, 2013
I learned to correctly pronounce this man's name from someone who knew the guy, and I get "corrected" on the pronunciation quite often.
posted by idiopath at 10:09 AM on July 28, 2013
posted by idiopath at 10:09 AM on July 28, 2013
Let's call the whole thing off.
I believe the joke goes: You say Carmina, I say Burana, lets call the whole thing Orff.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 11:13 AM on July 28, 2013 [3 favorites]
I believe the joke goes: You say Carmina, I say Burana, lets call the whole thing Orff.
posted by CheeseDigestsAll at 11:13 AM on July 28, 2013 [3 favorites]
Aren't they doing a countdown to some new science fiction thingy?
posted by oneswellfoop at 12:08 PM on July 28, 2013
posted by oneswellfoop at 12:08 PM on July 28, 2013
NPR used to put out a wonderful pronunciation guide (book) for member stations that was fine for names that don't go out of date! You just looked up the name as it appeared on the album and it supplied exactly the sort of help that languagehat offers above. Alas, never publicly published AFAIK.
A little searching and viola! Here's an example of a quite similar one from Iowa PR. It's 26 PDF files but don't let that stoppya.
E.g.
Tchaikovsky • Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky • p’YAW-t’r ill-YEECH {chahih-KAWF-skee}
chay-KAWF-skee / (Ilyich is sometimes transliterated as Il’yich)
As a former classical DJ/librarian, I just appreciate it when DJ's know enough not to say stuff like "Vawg-ner" not "Wag-ner" and "Dvoor-zhawk" not "Door-vac". Altho I can have years of fun repeating such egregious mistakes.
posted by Twang at 7:19 PM on July 28, 2013
A little searching and viola! Here's an example of a quite similar one from Iowa PR. It's 26 PDF files but don't let that stoppya.
E.g.
Tchaikovsky • Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky • p’YAW-t’r ill-YEECH {chahih-KAWF-skee}
chay-KAWF-skee / (Ilyich is sometimes transliterated as Il’yich)
As a former classical DJ/librarian, I just appreciate it when DJ's know enough not to say stuff like "Vawg-ner" not "Wag-ner" and "Dvoor-zhawk" not "Door-vac". Altho I can have years of fun repeating such egregious mistakes.
posted by Twang at 7:19 PM on July 28, 2013
P.S. On further searching, a book similar to NPR's was published in 1996: Robert Fradkin's "The Well-Tempered Announcer:
A Pronunciation Guide to Classical Music". Which you can scrutinize courtesy GBooks here.
posted by Twang at 7:29 PM on July 28, 2013
A Pronunciation Guide to Classical Music". Which you can scrutinize courtesy GBooks here.
posted by Twang at 7:29 PM on July 28, 2013
I NEED this.
I need this for when I have trapped some poor soul and I start enthusing about Hungarian animation, only to have to mumble the animators names into my hand.
posted by louche mustachio at 12:35 AM on July 29, 2013
I need this for when I have trapped some poor soul and I start enthusing about Hungarian animation, only to have to mumble the animators names into my hand.
posted by louche mustachio at 12:35 AM on July 29, 2013
A little searching and viola!
I have sat through string quartets like this.
posted by Pallas Athena at 5:23 PM on July 29, 2013 [3 favorites]
I have sat through string quartets like this.
posted by Pallas Athena at 5:23 PM on July 29, 2013 [3 favorites]
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The TLD has changed from org to info, hence not caught, I guess.
posted by Gyan at 6:42 AM on July 28, 2013 [1 favorite]