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The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Trade Machine (Steven Hyden for Grantland)
On Bill Simmons' podcast with Chuck Klosterman, they had the idea of a rock band fantasy draft.
* Each player selects a lead singer, lead guitar, base guitar, drummer and one wild card for keyboards, an additional singer, etc.
* Each person selected can do only one thing. If you draft Paul McCartney, he can either play guitar or sing, not both.
* The band will write new music and play it live. This is 50/50 of the score.
* Drink and argue about it.
The one extra "game balance" rule they had to install was this: Jimi Hendrix could not be your lead guitarist.
Klosterman said the No. 1 overall pick tended to be Mick Jagger as singer.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 8:31 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
* Each player selects a lead singer, lead guitar, base guitar, drummer and one wild card for keyboards, an additional singer, etc.
* Each person selected can do only one thing. If you draft Paul McCartney, he can either play guitar or sing, not both.
* The band will write new music and play it live. This is 50/50 of the score.
* Drink and argue about it.
The one extra "game balance" rule they had to install was this: Jimi Hendrix could not be your lead guitarist.
Klosterman said the No. 1 overall pick tended to be Mick Jagger as singer.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 8:31 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
They had me until they proposed kicking Bonnie Raitt out in exchange for Whitney Fucking Houston.
I dare you to listen to how well Bonnie does slide guitar and then try to tell me Whitney should have her spot.
(Although I warn you that if you still side with evicting her I will sick my Daddy on you, and he's had a celebrity crush on Bonnie Raitt since 1972 so you may be in trouble)
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:31 AM on April 15, 2015 [14 favorites]
I dare you to listen to how well Bonnie does slide guitar and then try to tell me Whitney should have her spot.
(Although I warn you that if you still side with evicting her I will sick my Daddy on you, and he's had a celebrity crush on Bonnie Raitt since 1972 so you may be in trouble)
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 8:31 AM on April 15, 2015 [14 favorites]
Let Us Now Disagree About Music
posted by gwint at 8:32 AM on April 15, 2015 [27 favorites]
posted by gwint at 8:32 AM on April 15, 2015 [27 favorites]
Elvis Costello is a "boomer-era singer-songwriter"?
Well, he is a boomer, born in 1954, which puts him in the center of this.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 8:33 AM on April 15, 2015
Well, he is a boomer, born in 1954, which puts him in the center of this.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 8:33 AM on April 15, 2015
Any decision which pisses off Lars Ulrich is fine by me.
posted by billiebee at 8:34 AM on April 15, 2015 [15 favorites]
posted by billiebee at 8:34 AM on April 15, 2015 [15 favorites]
Also, keep your Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame hands the fuck off my Brian Eno.
This article is really just another aging white dude thinking "rock 'n' roll" = "performers I like". I say this as yet another aging white dude.
posted by benito.strauss at 8:35 AM on April 15, 2015 [10 favorites]
This article is really just another aging white dude thinking "rock 'n' roll" = "performers I like". I say this as yet another aging white dude.
posted by benito.strauss at 8:35 AM on April 15, 2015 [10 favorites]
That is exactly what Bono's induction speech for Eno would sound like.
posted by bondcliff at 8:35 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by bondcliff at 8:35 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
Tedious YourFavoriteBandSucksFilter.
posted by aught at 8:36 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by aught at 8:36 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
Remember before they turned the LHC on the first time, when a few people voiced a concern that it'd spawn mini black holes that would destroy the Earth? Those people's concerns were misplaced - they should have worried about the inevitable singularity that'll occur when Hyden disappears up his own ass.
posted by the phlegmatic king at 8:37 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by the phlegmatic king at 8:37 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
Gram Parsons doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame of anything other than Overrated.
posted by The Card Cheat at 8:40 AM on April 15, 2015
posted by The Card Cheat at 8:40 AM on April 15, 2015
Tell me more about Hyden, the phlegmatic king. The article set me to thinking about what the heck RnR even meant these days, and being a bit depressed if this author's comments were a valid reflection. I would love to be supplied reasons to ignore him now and in the future.
posted by benito.strauss at 8:43 AM on April 15, 2015
posted by benito.strauss at 8:43 AM on April 15, 2015
(Although I warn you that if you still side with evicting her I will sick my Daddy on you, and he's had a celebrity crush on Bonnie Raitt since 1972 so you may be in trouble)
This is true of every white American whose father is young enough to be alive.
That said, I don't disagree that Bonnie Raitt is great and should stay.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 8:46 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
This is true of every white American whose father is young enough to be alive.
That said, I don't disagree that Bonnie Raitt is great and should stay.
posted by Bulgaroktonos at 8:46 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
bondcliff: "That is exactly what Bono's induction speech for Eno would sound like."
For a moment there I thought Steven "The Hillock" Hyden had co-authored this article with Chris Onstad in between bouts of sampling hop sodas and suchlike things a man off his sauce might get to doing on account of him trying to fight off the shakes.
posted by boo_radley at 8:47 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
For a moment there I thought Steven "The Hillock" Hyden had co-authored this article with Chris Onstad in between bouts of sampling hop sodas and suchlike things a man off his sauce might get to doing on account of him trying to fight off the shakes.
posted by boo_radley at 8:47 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
My beef with Hyden goes back to his AV club days: he'd post multithousand-word examinations of his personal relationship with Pearl Jam, or with a classic rock station in eastern Wisconsin, or whatever. A big, big chunk of his pieces are basically just him gazing at his navel in the mirror, with an album cover barely visible in the background.
Also, since I can't resist doing this:
Gram Parsons doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame of anything other than Overrated.
posted by The Card Cheat
That's not what your mom said
posted by the phlegmatic king at 8:47 AM on April 15, 2015 [6 favorites]
Also, since I can't resist doing this:
Gram Parsons doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame of anything other than Overrated.
posted by The Card Cheat
That's not what your mom said
posted by the phlegmatic king at 8:47 AM on April 15, 2015 [6 favorites]
The day I visited the Rock-n-Roll HoF, there was a Christian youth rock band playing a free concert there, and the music was being pumped into every corner of the place. It ruined the vibe.
posted by Flood at 8:50 AM on April 15, 2015
posted by Flood at 8:50 AM on April 15, 2015
I'm still hoping the Dictators will somehow get in.
posted by jonmc at 8:52 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by jonmc at 8:52 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
I had a perfectly decent day at the RnRHoF the one time I went, but the vibe, such as it was, was somewhere between "art gallery opening" and "credit union."
posted by The Card Cheat at 8:53 AM on April 15, 2015 [5 favorites]
posted by The Card Cheat at 8:53 AM on April 15, 2015 [5 favorites]
What in the fuck... step one, James Taylor should be removed because his music, though it's influential and widely liked, isn't really rock and roll. Step two, NWA should be included.
I'm just gonna stop reading now, I'll be over here if anybody needs me.
posted by Sing Or Swim at 8:53 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
I'm just gonna stop reading now, I'll be over here if anybody needs me.
posted by Sing Or Swim at 8:53 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
In my view, the most appropriate response to Jim Morrison and Morrissey is simultaneous like and dislike. They are insightful/insufferable lyricists, amazing/annoying showmen, and masters of self-actualization/self-indulgence.
Sounds like the most compelling possible argument to induct both.
posted by belarius at 8:59 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
Sounds like the most compelling possible argument to induct both.
posted by belarius at 8:59 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
They should throw everyone out and replace them all with multiple Stings.
posted by colie at 9:00 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by colie at 9:00 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Step two, NWA should be included.
Throwing out James Taylor is stupid but it's absolutely ridiculous that NWA isn't in.
posted by kmz at 9:03 AM on April 15, 2015 [4 favorites]
Throwing out James Taylor is stupid but it's absolutely ridiculous that NWA isn't in.
posted by kmz at 9:03 AM on April 15, 2015 [4 favorites]
I didn't care at all about this until the part about including the Smiths but excluding Morrissey and now I support this entire idea wholeheartedly and without reservation.
posted by poffin boffin at 9:05 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by poffin boffin at 9:05 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
We still don't induct a lot of women, do we?
And the "one woman comes to town, one woman leaves town" bit with Houston and Raitt is pretty funny - it's not like we could imagine kicking out a dude in order to make space (even in this imaginary way) for a lady, after all.
Also, the only hall of fame Morrissey belongs in is the hall of fame for people who inexplicably ruin my fond memories of their music by turning into racist xenophobes for no good reason and against all advice. Seriously, it's like, way to ruin not only "Piccadilly Palare" but also the beautiful Derek Jarman-directed videos for "Ask" and "The Queen Is Dead".
posted by Frowner at 9:06 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
And the "one woman comes to town, one woman leaves town" bit with Houston and Raitt is pretty funny - it's not like we could imagine kicking out a dude in order to make space (even in this imaginary way) for a lady, after all.
Also, the only hall of fame Morrissey belongs in is the hall of fame for people who inexplicably ruin my fond memories of their music by turning into racist xenophobes for no good reason and against all advice. Seriously, it's like, way to ruin not only "Piccadilly Palare" but also the beautiful Derek Jarman-directed videos for "Ask" and "The Queen Is Dead".
posted by Frowner at 9:06 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
Also someday Janelle Monae will be in this Hall of Fame, and maybe then I might conceivably be moved to visit.
posted by Frowner at 9:07 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by Frowner at 9:07 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
Just change the name to The Popular Music Hall of Fame and get on with it.
posted by echocollate at 9:08 AM on April 15, 2015 [16 favorites]
posted by echocollate at 9:08 AM on April 15, 2015 [16 favorites]
Red Hot Chili Peppers Out, Bad Brains, the Minutemen, or Fishbone In.
This is a correct position.
posted by Cookiebastard at 9:09 AM on April 15, 2015 [16 favorites]
This is a correct position.
posted by Cookiebastard at 9:09 AM on April 15, 2015 [16 favorites]
I'll begin to take the Hall remotely seriously the day they induct NoMeansNo.
posted by philip-random at 9:12 AM on April 15, 2015 [4 favorites]
posted by philip-random at 9:12 AM on April 15, 2015 [4 favorites]
Dusty Springfield is in the hall, she seems a perfectly nice lady but Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?
posted by Cosine at 9:16 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Cosine at 9:16 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
I do like the idea of Fantasy Supergroup. My roster:
Lead singer - Amy Winehouse
Lead Guitar - Stevie Ray Vaughn
Bass Guitar - Jaco Pastorius
Drums - Samantha Maloney from Eagles of Death Metal
Wildcard - Vangelis
posted by Doleful Creature at 9:27 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
Lead singer - Amy Winehouse
Lead Guitar - Stevie Ray Vaughn
Bass Guitar - Jaco Pastorius
Drums - Samantha Maloney from Eagles of Death Metal
Wildcard - Vangelis
posted by Doleful Creature at 9:27 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
also, John Zorn, Spacemen 3, Geraldine Fibbers, Lydia Lunch, Einsturzende Neubauten, the Brothers Osmond.
I could do this all day.
posted by philip-random at 9:31 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
I could do this all day.
posted by philip-random at 9:31 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
I dare you to listen to how well Bonnie does slide guitar and then try to tell me Whitney should have her spot.
I like Bonnie, but "Here she is covering an SRV tune," is perhaps not the most effective rebuttal to "...whereas Whitney was the model for a whole generation of divas..."
posted by straight at 9:32 AM on April 15, 2015
I like Bonnie, but "Here she is covering an SRV tune," is perhaps not the most effective rebuttal to "...whereas Whitney was the model for a whole generation of divas..."
posted by straight at 9:32 AM on April 15, 2015
There are so many things wrong with this article, I don't even know where to begin. This guy has no idea what rock and roll even is.
Whitney Fucking Houston? WHITNEY FUCKING HOUSTON?!?
posted by MexicanYenta at 9:36 AM on April 15, 2015 [8 favorites]
Whitney Fucking Houston? WHITNEY FUCKING HOUSTON?!?
posted by MexicanYenta at 9:36 AM on April 15, 2015 [8 favorites]
I just tried doing the Fantasy Supergroup, but I only got as far as "singer" because I cannot for the life of me decide whether I want Peter Gabriel or Tom Waits.
Unless they all disband after doing a more fleshed-out version of this.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:39 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
Unless they all disband after doing a more fleshed-out version of this.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:39 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
"...whereas Whitney was the model for a whole generation of divas..."
who pretty much destroyed music as we know it. In a bad way. She had an amazing voice, no argument. But so does this guy. There is no logic to any of this.
posted by philip-random at 9:41 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
who pretty much destroyed music as we know it. In a bad way. She had an amazing voice, no argument. But so does this guy. There is no logic to any of this.
posted by philip-random at 9:41 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
EmpressCallipygos: I dare you to listen to how well Bonnie does slide guitar and then try to tell me Whitney should have her spot.
It's obvious that the writer wants to give us something to talk about.
posted by dr_dank at 9:41 AM on April 15, 2015 [17 favorites]
It's obvious that the writer wants to give us something to talk about.
posted by dr_dank at 9:41 AM on April 15, 2015 [17 favorites]
It would probably be better for everybody if they just renamed it the Popular Music Hall of Fame or whatever but for those apoplectic over Whitney Houston, both Billie Holiday and Aretha Franklin are already in the RRHOF.
posted by kmz at 9:49 AM on April 15, 2015
posted by kmz at 9:49 AM on April 15, 2015
for those apoplectic over Whitney Houston, both Billie Holiday and Aretha Franklin are already in the RRHOF.
Them I can see; Billie Holiday was one-of-a-kind, and Aretha was the real Diva in whose footsteps Whitney was merely trying to mince.
okay yes i clearly have issues on this matter
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:51 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Them I can see; Billie Holiday was one-of-a-kind, and Aretha was the real Diva in whose footsteps Whitney was merely trying to mince.
okay yes i clearly have issues on this matter
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 9:51 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Yeah, I am all about the Judas Priest, but that Bonnie Raitt/Whitney Houston thing is insane in the membrane.
posted by Halloween Jack at 9:52 AM on April 15, 2015
posted by Halloween Jack at 9:52 AM on April 15, 2015
I just tried doing the Fantasy Supergroup, but I only got as far as "singer" because I cannot for the life of me decide whether I want Peter Gabriel or Tom Waits.
Howlin' Wolf could cover that range.
posted by drezdn at 9:53 AM on April 15, 2015
Howlin' Wolf could cover that range.
posted by drezdn at 9:53 AM on April 15, 2015
I just tried doing the Fantasy Supergroup, but I only got as far as "singer"
Damo Suzuki
posted by philip-random at 9:54 AM on April 15, 2015 [5 favorites]
Damo Suzuki
posted by philip-random at 9:54 AM on April 15, 2015 [5 favorites]
I was recently in Cleveland and visited the hall, really had a good time. Watched the year by year induction listing video for every year and realized that the only group, of ALLLL the inductees, that I truly despise...
THE FUCKING EAGLES, MAN!
posted by Cosine at 10:02 AM on April 15, 2015 [6 favorites]
THE FUCKING EAGLES, MAN!
posted by Cosine at 10:02 AM on April 15, 2015 [6 favorites]
Chad Kroeger - vocals
Tiny Tim - ukulele
Kenny G - saxophone
Sid Vicious - bass
some hippy on bongos
posted by The Card Cheat at 10:02 AM on April 15, 2015 [20 favorites]
Tiny Tim - ukulele
Kenny G - saxophone
Sid Vicious - bass
some hippy on bongos
posted by The Card Cheat at 10:02 AM on April 15, 2015 [20 favorites]
My fantasy band:
drummer: Clyde Stubblefield
keyboards: Bernie Worrell
Bass: Bootsie Collins
Rhythm Guitar: Mike Campbell
Lead Guitar: Danny Gatton
Mandolin (when needed): Chris Thile
Sax: Dana Colley
Trumpet: Kermit Ruffins and Chet Baker
Male singer: Michael McDonald
Female Singer: Etta James
posted by drezdn at 10:03 AM on April 15, 2015
drummer: Clyde Stubblefield
keyboards: Bernie Worrell
Bass: Bootsie Collins
Rhythm Guitar: Mike Campbell
Lead Guitar: Danny Gatton
Mandolin (when needed): Chris Thile
Sax: Dana Colley
Trumpet: Kermit Ruffins and Chet Baker
Male singer: Michael McDonald
Female Singer: Etta James
posted by drezdn at 10:03 AM on April 15, 2015
Yeah but Supergroups are always terrible.
posted by Atom Eyes at 10:05 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by Atom Eyes at 10:05 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
The best point made in this article is that "rock and roll" is synonymous with "folk music" these days, and it's true.
A "music" hall of fame would be way, way, way more interesting, especially if well curated. Exploring the relationships between your heroes and who influenced them and who they influenced (and then who influenced that artist folk, and who that artist influenced, etc., etc.) would be a hugely fascinating way to spend a day.
posted by maxwelton at 10:12 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
A "music" hall of fame would be way, way, way more interesting, especially if well curated. Exploring the relationships between your heroes and who influenced them and who they influenced (and then who influenced that artist folk, and who that artist influenced, etc., etc.) would be a hugely fascinating way to spend a day.
posted by maxwelton at 10:12 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Yeah but Supergroups are always terrible.
The (remainder of the) Traveling Wilburys would like a word outside.
posted by billiebee at 10:17 AM on April 15, 2015 [11 favorites]
The (remainder of the) Traveling Wilburys would like a word outside.
posted by billiebee at 10:17 AM on April 15, 2015 [11 favorites]
Whitney joined the J.A.M.M.s, that's rock n' roll enough for me.
posted by the bricabrac man at 10:18 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by the bricabrac man at 10:18 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Yeah but Supergroups are always terrible.
The (remainder of the) Traveling Wilburys would like a word outside.
As would The Power Station.
posted by Cosine at 10:23 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
The (remainder of the) Traveling Wilburys would like a word outside.
As would The Power Station.
posted by Cosine at 10:23 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
On Bill Simmons' podcast with Chuck Klosterman, they had the idea of a rock band fantasy draft.
I think I mentioned Andy Ihnatko's idea here before, but he pointed out some years ago that since The Who were left with a guitarist and singer, and The Beatles were left with a bassist and drummer, that they should totally get together and have a chat.
posted by Celsius1414 at 10:32 AM on April 15, 2015 [6 favorites]
I think I mentioned Andy Ihnatko's idea here before, but he pointed out some years ago that since The Who were left with a guitarist and singer, and The Beatles were left with a bassist and drummer, that they should totally get together and have a chat.
posted by Celsius1414 at 10:32 AM on April 15, 2015 [6 favorites]
inducting Lou Reed into the RaRHoF is roughly equivalent to a Mormon posthumous baptism... or entirely appropriate, depending on your view of him and Warhol and whatnot.
posted by ennui.bz at 10:32 AM on April 15, 2015
posted by ennui.bz at 10:32 AM on April 15, 2015
Or change it to "Stuff Jan Wenner Approves of" Hall of Fame
posted by Renoroc at 10:33 AM on April 15, 2015 [6 favorites]
posted by Renoroc at 10:33 AM on April 15, 2015 [6 favorites]
I kind of lost the plot about halfway through when I realized my default reaction to any Rock & Roll Hall of Fame nomination is, indeed, indifference. But before that happened:
The only people who still use the term “rock and roll” in regular conversation tend to look at it more narrowly as strictly guitar-based, rock and roll rock and roll music. This naturally causes confusion with regard to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and prompts some of the most annoying music debates ever. How is Rock Hall inductee Madonna more “rock and roll” than non–Rock Hall inductee Deep Purple, the band responsible for “Smoke on the Water,” the anthem of Guitar Center stores from coast to coast? Why is Donna Summer in the Rock Hall but not Thin Lizzy? How in the world does ABBA out-rock T. Rex?
Hyden kind of glosses over this as "not worthy of my time" (though I think he means more the specific "why this but not this" arguments, versus the larger discussion of "who belongs in the hall?") but this, to me, is the fundamental issue with the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. What's the Hall's definition of "rock and roll"? If it really is, as Hyden suggests, a stand-in for "popular music," then why not just "Music Hall of Fame" or "Modern Music Hall of Fame" or any name that recognizes that we're talking about an era of music rather than a style of music? If it's not, who defines what "rock and roll" is as a musical style, and who qualifies?
If no one's really sure what the museum or the hall considers "rock and roll," then no wonder the nominations are so varied and (apparently) controversial.
posted by chrominance at 10:47 AM on April 15, 2015
The only people who still use the term “rock and roll” in regular conversation tend to look at it more narrowly as strictly guitar-based, rock and roll rock and roll music. This naturally causes confusion with regard to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and prompts some of the most annoying music debates ever. How is Rock Hall inductee Madonna more “rock and roll” than non–Rock Hall inductee Deep Purple, the band responsible for “Smoke on the Water,” the anthem of Guitar Center stores from coast to coast? Why is Donna Summer in the Rock Hall but not Thin Lizzy? How in the world does ABBA out-rock T. Rex?
Hyden kind of glosses over this as "not worthy of my time" (though I think he means more the specific "why this but not this" arguments, versus the larger discussion of "who belongs in the hall?") but this, to me, is the fundamental issue with the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. What's the Hall's definition of "rock and roll"? If it really is, as Hyden suggests, a stand-in for "popular music," then why not just "Music Hall of Fame" or "Modern Music Hall of Fame" or any name that recognizes that we're talking about an era of music rather than a style of music? If it's not, who defines what "rock and roll" is as a musical style, and who qualifies?
If no one's really sure what the museum or the hall considers "rock and roll," then no wonder the nominations are so varied and (apparently) controversial.
posted by chrominance at 10:47 AM on April 15, 2015
Well I didn't agree with much of that at all. The Hall of Fame is a mess, but the Police being in it is not why. Nor are the Eagles. Sorry, Lebowski, I love you but you are incorrect. The Eagles are perfectly fine.
And Whitney is a great singer but she's responsible for a lot of terrible woo-woo-woo imitator horseshit for the following 25 years in the same way that Eddie Vedder is a great guy but ushered in the URRRRRRRRRRRR-HEYULLLL-YEAH-RRRRRR male singing style (Soundgarden, Darius Rucker) that blows so hard.
posted by freecellwizard at 10:50 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
And Whitney is a great singer but she's responsible for a lot of terrible woo-woo-woo imitator horseshit for the following 25 years in the same way that Eddie Vedder is a great guy but ushered in the URRRRRRRRRRRR-HEYULLLL-YEAH-RRRRRR male singing style (Soundgarden, Darius Rucker) that blows so hard.
posted by freecellwizard at 10:50 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
But James Taylor does not rock, nor does he roll.
Just because you don't like soft rock does not mean it is not rock and roll. He was working in the same idiom that Carole King was at that time, and if you argue Carole King is not rock and roll, you are a crazy person who should not be discussing the genre.
Soft rock was a major chart favorite in the 70s. I mean, I know we want to imagine rock and roll is the voice of edgy, amphetamine laced burn-outs screaming fuck you to the man, but it was also the soundtrack to Californians in a mellow mood getting slightly toasted on white wine, doing a few bumps of coke, and screwing in a hot tub, and James Taylor, Christopher Cross, and England Dan were right there with them, man. Probably literally.
posted by maxsparber at 10:53 AM on April 15, 2015 [14 favorites]
Just because you don't like soft rock does not mean it is not rock and roll. He was working in the same idiom that Carole King was at that time, and if you argue Carole King is not rock and roll, you are a crazy person who should not be discussing the genre.
Soft rock was a major chart favorite in the 70s. I mean, I know we want to imagine rock and roll is the voice of edgy, amphetamine laced burn-outs screaming fuck you to the man, but it was also the soundtrack to Californians in a mellow mood getting slightly toasted on white wine, doing a few bumps of coke, and screwing in a hot tub, and James Taylor, Christopher Cross, and England Dan were right there with them, man. Probably literally.
posted by maxsparber at 10:53 AM on April 15, 2015 [14 favorites]
Also
In 2015, “rock and roll” is practically synonymous with folk music.
what
posted by freecellwizard at 10:55 AM on April 15, 2015
In 2015, “rock and roll” is practically synonymous with folk music.
what
posted by freecellwizard at 10:55 AM on April 15, 2015
Whitney Fucking Houston? WHITNEY FUCKING HOUSTON?!?
I completely agree. And yet... How's this for a family tree:
Soft Machine → Gong → Material → Whitney Houston
This is her first recording as a lead vocalist. It's a Soft Machine cover on a Material album.
posted by Sys Rq at 11:00 AM on April 15, 2015 [6 favorites]
I completely agree. And yet... How's this for a family tree:
Soft Machine → Gong → Material → Whitney Houston
This is her first recording as a lead vocalist. It's a Soft Machine cover on a Material album.
posted by Sys Rq at 11:00 AM on April 15, 2015 [6 favorites]
inducting Lou Reed into the RaRHoF is roughly equivalent to a Mormon posthumous baptism... or entirely appropriate, depending on your view of him and Warhol and whatnot.
Lou Reed participated in several RaRHoF events, including the induction of the Velvet Underground, before he died. He's not shaking an angry fist at Wenner from the heavens.
posted by Etrigan at 11:03 AM on April 15, 2015
Lou Reed participated in several RaRHoF events, including the induction of the Velvet Underground, before he died. He's not shaking an angry fist at Wenner from the heavens.
posted by Etrigan at 11:03 AM on April 15, 2015
It's a Soft Machine cover on a Material album.
I...did not know that. Even though I love Soft Machine and have quite a lot of Material. Neat.
posted by Frowner at 11:04 AM on April 15, 2015
I...did not know that. Even though I love Soft Machine and have quite a lot of Material. Neat.
posted by Frowner at 11:04 AM on April 15, 2015
Prince - Vocals*
Marissa Paternoster - Guitar
Kim Deal - Bass
B.J. Wilson - Drums
Leon Russell - Piano
Carlos Hathcock - Special Guest Sniper; will shoot Russell if he attempts to sing or play a guitar
*Also considered: Meat Loaf, Ann Wilson, Minnie Riperton, Stuart Staples, Shara Worden, Joe Cocker, Darlene Love
posted by Iridic at 11:04 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Marissa Paternoster - Guitar
Kim Deal - Bass
B.J. Wilson - Drums
Leon Russell - Piano
Carlos Hathcock - Special Guest Sniper; will shoot Russell if he attempts to sing or play a guitar
*Also considered: Meat Loaf, Ann Wilson, Minnie Riperton, Stuart Staples, Shara Worden, Joe Cocker, Darlene Love
posted by Iridic at 11:04 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
ummm... Eddie Vedder is most certainly NOT responsible for Chris Cornell's singing... I mean sheesh!
posted by Cosine at 11:07 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by Cosine at 11:07 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
Interesting WH tidbit ... how about this one? Go watch this church-y 70s hit a second then come back ...
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The dude in the stripey suit playing bass and signing backup is totally the original singer and bassist from Rush. True story!
posted by freecellwizard at 11:09 AM on April 15, 2015
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The dude in the stripey suit playing bass and signing backup is totally the original singer and bassist from Rush. True story!
posted by freecellwizard at 11:09 AM on April 15, 2015
f it really is, as Hyden suggests, a stand-in for "popular music," then why not just "Music Hall of Fame" or "Modern Music Hall of Fame" or any name that recognizes that we're talking about an era of music rather than a style of music?
because then they'd have to induct Yes, who as I heard a while back, will be forever denied induction because some key insider refuses to accept that they have any ROCK in them (or roll). Although there is evidence to the contrary.
posted by philip-random at 11:09 AM on April 15, 2015
because then they'd have to induct Yes, who as I heard a while back, will be forever denied induction because some key insider refuses to accept that they have any ROCK in them (or roll). Although there is evidence to the contrary.
posted by philip-random at 11:09 AM on April 15, 2015
Eddie Vedder is most certainly NOT responsible for Chris Cornell's singing
Yeah, I'd say more like Ronnie James Dio. And that's nothing to sneeze at!
posted by Atom Eyes at 11:14 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Yeah, I'd say more like Ronnie James Dio. And that's nothing to sneeze at!
posted by Atom Eyes at 11:14 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Go watch this church-y 70s hit a second then come back
Flagged as "I don't need that fucking horrible earworm in my head right now."
posted by bondcliff at 11:16 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Flagged as "I don't need that fucking horrible earworm in my head right now."
posted by bondcliff at 11:16 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Whoa ... Yes isn't in there? That's just silly. Love 'em or hate 'em they were very influential and certainly fall within the (prog) rock category.
It doesn't really matter though I guess - really the whole HoF thing is just yet another list of someone's (or several someones') favorite bands. Depending on your personal journey through popular music the choices may or may not make sense to you.
posted by freecellwizard at 11:17 AM on April 15, 2015
It doesn't really matter though I guess - really the whole HoF thing is just yet another list of someone's (or several someones') favorite bands. Depending on your personal journey through popular music the choices may or may not make sense to you.
posted by freecellwizard at 11:17 AM on April 15, 2015
because then they'd have to induct Yes, who as I heard a while back, will be forever denied induction because some key insider refuses to accept that they have any ROCK in them (or roll)
I guess every Classic Rock station should stop playing the short version of Roundabout every hour then?
posted by Sys Rq at 11:17 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
I guess every Classic Rock station should stop playing the short version of Roundabout every hour then?
posted by Sys Rq at 11:17 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
I blame this sentence which defines who should be inducted: "influence and significance to the development and perpetuation of rock and roll." "Influence" opens up the hall to all the pre rock people, and then once they are in, later artists in the same genres are inducted because of the precedent.
posted by smackfu at 11:21 AM on April 15, 2015
posted by smackfu at 11:21 AM on April 15, 2015
Eddie Vedder is most certainly NOT responsible for Chris Cornell's singing
Oops, I was off by a lot on that one (6 years earlier formation of Soundgarden apparently). I think Badmotorfinger and Ten came out around the same time and I wasn't a prior Soundgarden fan so I somehow didn't realize they were around earlier. Apologies! Also the song that first popped into my head was Black Hole Sun which is about as drone-y bad dumb rock as anything short of say AC/DC and is kind of a slow burning song that just fizzles out. That was later though. I guess "Jesus Christ Pose" was pretty good.
posted by freecellwizard at 11:23 AM on April 15, 2015
Oops, I was off by a lot on that one (6 years earlier formation of Soundgarden apparently). I think Badmotorfinger and Ten came out around the same time and I wasn't a prior Soundgarden fan so I somehow didn't realize they were around earlier. Apologies! Also the song that first popped into my head was Black Hole Sun which is about as drone-y bad dumb rock as anything short of say AC/DC and is kind of a slow burning song that just fizzles out. That was later though. I guess "Jesus Christ Pose" was pretty good.
posted by freecellwizard at 11:23 AM on April 15, 2015
Jeff Jones also played bass for the excellent Red Rider, more Can-Con for you.
posted by Cosine at 11:25 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
posted by Cosine at 11:25 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Vocals: Freddie Mercury
Lead Guitar: Jan Akkerman
Bass: Les Claypool because someone already called Bootsy
Drums: Terry Bozzio
Horn Section: All the guys who played on 25 Or 6 To 4
Harmonica: Max Geldray
Songwriting: Frank Zappa
Costume Design for All Participants: Dave Brockie
posted by delfin at 11:27 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
Lead Guitar: Jan Akkerman
Bass: Les Claypool because someone already called Bootsy
Drums: Terry Bozzio
Horn Section: All the guys who played on 25 Or 6 To 4
Harmonica: Max Geldray
Songwriting: Frank Zappa
Costume Design for All Participants: Dave Brockie
posted by delfin at 11:27 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
Ah Sys... that album, one whole summer... "I can't feed on the powerless, when my cups already overfilled..." indeed.
posted by Cosine at 11:31 AM on April 15, 2015
posted by Cosine at 11:31 AM on April 15, 2015
I think I mentioned Andy Ihnatko's idea here before, but he pointed out some years ago that since The Who were left with a guitarist and singer, and The Beatles were left with a bassist and drummer, that they should totally get together and have a chat.
They could call themselves the Hootles.
posted by Naberius at 11:31 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
They could call themselves the Hootles.
posted by Naberius at 11:31 AM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
wowwo it's like and Eddie and Chris belty vocal volcano
I sort of forgot about that one ...
posted by freecellwizard at 11:32 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
I sort of forgot about that one ...
posted by freecellwizard at 11:32 AM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Hair: Lyle Lovett
Teeth: Shane MacGowen
Lips: Mick Jagger
Ass: John Popper
Giant Suit: David Byrne
...wait, I'm doing it wrong.
posted by delfin at 11:43 AM on April 15, 2015 [17 favorites]
Teeth: Shane MacGowen
Lips: Mick Jagger
Ass: John Popper
Giant Suit: David Byrne
...wait, I'm doing it wrong.
posted by delfin at 11:43 AM on April 15, 2015 [17 favorites]
Put this boomer in the 'indifferent' column.
posted by PeterMcDermott at 11:44 AM on April 15, 2015
posted by PeterMcDermott at 11:44 AM on April 15, 2015
I'm still wondering which member of Chicago pissed in Jann Wenner's coke supply. Whatever you think of what they became in the 80s and onward (and I admit I'm a fan of whatever era), Terry Kath was a monster on guitar, they sold an obscene number of records over multiple decades, and they've been eligible for over twenty years now - seriously, there hasn't been a spot for them in any of those years?
posted by Meghamora at 11:47 AM on April 15, 2015
posted by Meghamora at 11:47 AM on April 15, 2015
Vocals: Mick Jagger
Guitar 1: Mick Jones (Clash)
Guitar 2: Mick Jones (Foreigner)
Drums: Mick Fleetwood
Bass: Mick Karn *
*or, in a pinch, a slightly renamed Mike Mills
posted by the phlegmatic king at 11:49 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
Guitar 1: Mick Jones (Clash)
Guitar 2: Mick Jones (Foreigner)
Drums: Mick Fleetwood
Bass: Mick Karn *
*or, in a pinch, a slightly renamed Mike Mills
posted by the phlegmatic king at 11:49 AM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
Vocals: David Thomas
Guitar: Tom Herman
Bass: Tony Maimone
Drums: Scott Krauss
Keyboards: Allen Ravenstine
posted by DaDaDaDave at 12:00 PM on April 15, 2015
Guitar: Tom Herman
Bass: Tony Maimone
Drums: Scott Krauss
Keyboards: Allen Ravenstine
posted by DaDaDaDave at 12:00 PM on April 15, 2015
Rock Band Fantasy Draft is more a LOW TIMES thing than a BILL SIMMONS thing. Come on.
posted by Old Man Wilson at 12:16 PM on April 15, 2015
posted by Old Man Wilson at 12:16 PM on April 15, 2015
Vocals, bass, fiddle: Rick Danko
Vocals, drum, mando: Levon Helm
Keyboards, any bloody instrument: Garth Hudson
Vocals, piano: Richard Manuel
Guitar: Robbie Robertson
Oh, wait.
Vocals: Mick Jagger
Guitar 1: Mick Jones (Clash)
Guitar 2: Mick Jones (Foreigner)
Drums: Mick Fleetwood
Bass: Mick Karn *
Sadly, they contractually can only play that Toni Basil song over and over and over.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 12:19 PM on April 15, 2015 [15 favorites]
Vocals, drum, mando: Levon Helm
Keyboards, any bloody instrument: Garth Hudson
Vocals, piano: Richard Manuel
Guitar: Robbie Robertson
Oh, wait.
Vocals: Mick Jagger
Guitar 1: Mick Jones (Clash)
Guitar 2: Mick Jones (Foreigner)
Drums: Mick Fleetwood
Bass: Mick Karn *
Sadly, they contractually can only play that Toni Basil song over and over and over.
posted by Alvy Ampersand at 12:19 PM on April 15, 2015 [15 favorites]
Teeth: Shane MacGowen
I think you mean "tooth."
posted by bondcliff at 12:21 PM on April 15, 2015 [4 favorites]
I think you mean "tooth."
posted by bondcliff at 12:21 PM on April 15, 2015 [4 favorites]
HA HA all this creepily fevered whitney hate makes me hope she gets not only a nomination to this ridiculous hall of bollocks but also a national holiday and a fucking postage stamp.
posted by poffin boffin at 12:44 PM on April 15, 2015 [7 favorites]
posted by poffin boffin at 12:44 PM on April 15, 2015 [7 favorites]
drums - al jackson jr
guitar - keith richards
bass - james jamerson
piano - keith godchaux*
vocals (and slide guitar)- bonnie raitt
*not claiming he's the best - but he's someone who would have given them an interesting sound
all picked because they'd probably work well as a band together
posted by pyramid termite at 12:55 PM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
guitar - keith richards
bass - james jamerson
piano - keith godchaux*
vocals (and slide guitar)- bonnie raitt
*not claiming he's the best - but he's someone who would have given them an interesting sound
all picked because they'd probably work well as a band together
posted by pyramid termite at 12:55 PM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
i always ask this in every discussion of the RHOF
where's kraftwerk?
posted by pyramid termite at 12:57 PM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
where's kraftwerk?
posted by pyramid termite at 12:57 PM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
where's kraftwerk?
Enjoying a nice vegetarian schnitzengruben at Weird Al's house.
posted by Etrigan at 1:07 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
Enjoying a nice vegetarian schnitzengruben at Weird Al's house.
posted by Etrigan at 1:07 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
Male Singer: Robert Del Naja
Female Singer: Rhiannon Giddens
Drummer: Stanton Moore
Keyboards: Jim James
Electric Bass: Tal Wilkenfeld
Upright Bass: Esperanza Spalding
Electric Guitar: Jack White
Lead and Rhythm Acoustic Guitars: Rodrigo y Gabriela (Sanchez)
Mandolin: Jimmy Page
Trombone: Trombone Shorty
Sax: Ben Ellman
Trumpet: Lee Loughnane
Violin: Jean-Luc Ponty
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 1:11 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
Female Singer: Rhiannon Giddens
Drummer: Stanton Moore
Keyboards: Jim James
Electric Bass: Tal Wilkenfeld
Upright Bass: Esperanza Spalding
Electric Guitar: Jack White
Lead and Rhythm Acoustic Guitars: Rodrigo y Gabriela (Sanchez)
Mandolin: Jimmy Page
Trombone: Trombone Shorty
Sax: Ben Ellman
Trumpet: Lee Loughnane
Violin: Jean-Luc Ponty
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 1:11 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
Your Favorite Band Sucks: Pro Edition
posted by tommasz at 1:18 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by tommasz at 1:18 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
HA HA all this creepily fevered whitney hate
Well she did kiss Kevin Costner. Also, Stephen Hawking thinks Whitney's keen, so how could people not have jealousy-hate?
posted by aught at 1:36 PM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Well she did kiss Kevin Costner. Also, Stephen Hawking thinks Whitney's keen, so how could people not have jealousy-hate?
posted by aught at 1:36 PM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Aretha Franklin - vox
Grant Green - guitar
James Jamerson - bass
Tony Allen - drums
Big John Patton - keys
posted by box at 1:42 PM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
Grant Green - guitar
James Jamerson - bass
Tony Allen - drums
Big John Patton - keys
posted by box at 1:42 PM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
Vocals: Les Claypool
Bass: The Edge
Drums: James Hetfield
Guitar: John Paul Jones
Harmonica: Bono
posted by bondcliff at 1:51 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
Bass: The Edge
Drums: James Hetfield
Guitar: John Paul Jones
Harmonica: Bono
posted by bondcliff at 1:51 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
My fantasy band has already been done:
Bass - Chris Layton
Drums - Tommy Shannon
Keyboards - Reese Wynans
Guitar and vocals - Stevie Ray Vaughn
Sigh. RIP, Stevie.
posted by MexicanYenta at 1:52 PM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Bass - Chris Layton
Drums - Tommy Shannon
Keyboards - Reese Wynans
Guitar and vocals - Stevie Ray Vaughn
Sigh. RIP, Stevie.
posted by MexicanYenta at 1:52 PM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Gram Parsons doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame of anything other than Overrated.
posted by The Card Cheat at 8:40 AM on April 15 [+] [!]
My favorite music sucks!
posted by chavenet at 1:58 PM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by The Card Cheat at 8:40 AM on April 15 [+] [!]
My favorite music sucks!
posted by chavenet at 1:58 PM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
HA HA all this creepily fevered whitney hate
AND I
EEE I
EEE I
She is responsible for one of the worst cultural artefacts of the last thousand years or so.
posted by colie at 2:10 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
AND I
EEE I
EEE I
She is responsible for one of the worst cultural artefacts of the last thousand years or so.
posted by colie at 2:10 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
AND I
EEE I
EEE I
O
AND ON
THAT FARM I
EEE I
EEE I
O
Will always
Luv
Ewes
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 2:14 PM on April 15, 2015 [13 favorites]
EEE I
EEE I
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AND ON
THAT FARM I
EEE I
EEE I
O
Will always
Luv
Ewes
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 2:14 PM on April 15, 2015 [13 favorites]
U2 are “alternative”‽ To what?
their earlier selves
posted by philip-random at 2:19 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
their earlier selves
posted by philip-random at 2:19 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
Also UB40.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 2:20 PM on April 15, 2015
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 2:20 PM on April 15, 2015
Whitney Houston's tragedy is akin to all those mad scientists who popped up in b-grade 1950s movies. "If only his genius could have been used for good."
Whitney's genius pretty much never was. It was always (to my ears) in aid of the worst, most soul crushing and formulaic dross. And I'm pretty sure she knew it. Which explains how awfully things played out for her.
posted by philip-random at 2:33 PM on April 15, 2015
Whitney's genius pretty much never was. It was always (to my ears) in aid of the worst, most soul crushing and formulaic dross. And I'm pretty sure she knew it. Which explains how awfully things played out for her.
posted by philip-random at 2:33 PM on April 15, 2015
My wife and I were talking today about the upcoming Rolling Stones concert at the stadium near our house and fact that other than them and U2, there aren't really any Rock stadium acts left. Thirty years ago stadiums were filled with rock concerts but really only country acts can fill football fields with fans these days.
posted by octothorpe at 2:37 PM on April 15, 2015
posted by octothorpe at 2:37 PM on April 15, 2015
other than [the Rolling Stones] and U2, there aren't really any Rock stadium acts left.
Foo Fighters are doing shows at Wembley, Fenway, Wrigley, the Forum, etc. this year. Maroon 5 also has a couple of Wembley dates on its current tour, as well as other large venues.
posted by Etrigan at 2:54 PM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Foo Fighters are doing shows at Wembley, Fenway, Wrigley, the Forum, etc. this year. Maroon 5 also has a couple of Wembley dates on its current tour, as well as other large venues.
posted by Etrigan at 2:54 PM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Notorious BIG - emcee
Professor X - hypeman
Grandmaster Roc Raida - scratching
DJ Premier - production
Mary J. Blige - hooks
posted by box at 3:20 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
Professor X - hypeman
Grandmaster Roc Raida - scratching
DJ Premier - production
Mary J. Blige - hooks
posted by box at 3:20 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
U2 are “alternative”‽ To what?
You laugh, but U2 released The Unforgettable Fire in 1984.
Your five top-selling albums in that year?
Michael Jackson, Thriller
The Footloose soundtrack
Huey Lewis and the News, Sports
Bruce Springsteen, Born in the USA
Prince, Purple Rain
In other words:
* An R&B singer
* A pure pop soundtrack of singles anchored by Motherfucking Kenny Loggins
* A glorified bar band
* A blue-collar rock band
* Prince (who is un-classifiable in this phase of his career, but I guess you'd say he's R&B, too).
Oh, and note that two of the above entries had mainstream movie tie-ins.
So, yeah, at the time, U2 was way, way over on the alternative side to all of that.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 5:33 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
You laugh, but U2 released The Unforgettable Fire in 1984.
Your five top-selling albums in that year?
Michael Jackson, Thriller
The Footloose soundtrack
Huey Lewis and the News, Sports
Bruce Springsteen, Born in the USA
Prince, Purple Rain
In other words:
* An R&B singer
* A pure pop soundtrack of singles anchored by Motherfucking Kenny Loggins
* A glorified bar band
* A blue-collar rock band
* Prince (who is un-classifiable in this phase of his career, but I guess you'd say he's R&B, too).
Oh, and note that two of the above entries had mainstream movie tie-ins.
So, yeah, at the time, U2 was way, way over on the alternative side to all of that.
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 5:33 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
Thirty years ago stadiums were filled with rock concerts but really only country acts can fill football fields with fans these days.
It used to take serious record-company marketing muscle to achieve the scale necessary to make a stadium tour profitable, and since the Internet, record company revenue dried right the fuck up.
So I guess this means nobody pirates country music?
Are country music fans more honest? Or are they just computer illiterate?
/ducks to avoid punch
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 5:39 PM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
It used to take serious record-company marketing muscle to achieve the scale necessary to make a stadium tour profitable, and since the Internet, record company revenue dried right the fuck up.
So I guess this means nobody pirates country music?
Are country music fans more honest? Or are they just computer illiterate?
/ducks to avoid punch
posted by Cool Papa Bell at 5:39 PM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Oh! I just figured out the vocalist problem -
No matter who I pick for the rest of the band, Tom Waits will be the permanent opening act, doing a sort of demented one-man-band construct out of old accordion parts and butter or something -
....No.
NO.
WAIT.
......My fantasy band in its entirety is - Tom Waits, backed up by BLUE MAN GROUP.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:12 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
No matter who I pick for the rest of the band, Tom Waits will be the permanent opening act, doing a sort of demented one-man-band construct out of old accordion parts and butter or something -
....No.
NO.
WAIT.
......My fantasy band in its entirety is - Tom Waits, backed up by BLUE MAN GROUP.
posted by EmpressCallipygos at 6:12 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
In a strange Borgesian fashion, until the Hall inducts The Monkees, it will continue to have the legitimacy of, well, The Monkees.
posted by Chitownfats at 6:43 PM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
posted by Chitownfats at 6:43 PM on April 15, 2015 [3 favorites]
I'd rather open the game up a bit, though, because I think you could get some interesting results by allowing combinations of multiple performers in each category. For example, I'd love to hear what Danger Mouse could create from a vocal group featuring various combinations of: Beck Hansen, Thom Yorke, Justin Vernon, Damon Albarn, Alison Krauss, and Lucinda Williams.
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 8:00 PM on April 15, 2015
posted by It's Raining Florence Henderson at 8:00 PM on April 15, 2015
Elvis Costello is a "boomer-era singer-songwriter"?
Barely, but he did make it onto the 3rd year of SNL - and get thrown off, very rock-like - which is decent credentials.
As for the "The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame", it's been a LONG LONG time since new Rock and Roll made it into the charts. So first of all, change the name to "Rock Hall". (Also, Rolling is becoming legal, so it's not so cool just to own some Zig-Zags.)
Second, rock got cool back when it was a big deal to use dope and rebel. Dope's legal, rebellion has completely disappeared in our era of heavy surveillance and enforced PC.
Third of all ... "Hall of Fame" is such an outdated idea. Fame can be had in just a damn minute by landing a gyrocopter on the WH lawn. Even by 4-year-olds who own Vine for a Day, a month, forever. And who wants to take time to visit museums? So throw away Roll, Fame, Museum and see what's left. I've got Rock Hall. Call it Quality Rock Hall, throw out most people inducted in the last 10 years, and treat it like the Cenotaph it has become.
posted by Twang at 8:09 PM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Barely, but he did make it onto the 3rd year of SNL - and get thrown off, very rock-like - which is decent credentials.
As for the "The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame", it's been a LONG LONG time since new Rock and Roll made it into the charts. So first of all, change the name to "Rock Hall". (Also, Rolling is becoming legal, so it's not so cool just to own some Zig-Zags.)
Second, rock got cool back when it was a big deal to use dope and rebel. Dope's legal, rebellion has completely disappeared in our era of heavy surveillance and enforced PC.
Third of all ... "Hall of Fame" is such an outdated idea. Fame can be had in just a damn minute by landing a gyrocopter on the WH lawn. Even by 4-year-olds who own Vine for a Day, a month, forever. And who wants to take time to visit museums? So throw away Roll, Fame, Museum and see what's left. I've got Rock Hall. Call it Quality Rock Hall, throw out most people inducted in the last 10 years, and treat it like the Cenotaph it has become.
posted by Twang at 8:09 PM on April 15, 2015 [1 favorite]
Hey if anything good came out of this article, it introduced me to Bad Brains, which I can't believe I never heard of before.
posted by hellojed at 10:04 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
posted by hellojed at 10:04 PM on April 15, 2015 [2 favorites]
You want stadium rock, you haz Bon Jovi. And every track will have you going mental.
posted by colie at 12:46 AM on April 16, 2015
posted by colie at 12:46 AM on April 16, 2015
So throw away Roll, Fame, Museum and see what's left. I've got Rock Hall.
Call it the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Glory, which nicely evades the "fame" part, which as somebody pointed out to me does justify many of the more awful inductees.
And in the basement, we can have the Pit of Inglory.
posted by philip-random at 9:35 AM on April 16, 2015
Call it the Rock'n'Roll Hall of Glory, which nicely evades the "fame" part, which as somebody pointed out to me does justify many of the more awful inductees.
And in the basement, we can have the Pit of Inglory.
posted by philip-random at 9:35 AM on April 16, 2015
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