Comments on: The Vatican's Pontifical Council for Culture

The Vatican's Pontifical Council for Culture

treywhit — Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:05:04 -0800

The Vatican's Pontifical Council for Culture releases a document on the surging interest in New Age thought (e.g., Zen Buddhism). They advise that Harry Potter is okay but that Deepak Chopra might be someone to be wary of. Evidently the Age of Aquarius isn't coming so that peace will guide the planets. Bummer. That might be nice.

By: vraxoin

vraxoin — Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:02:25 -0800

Since when is Zen Buddhism New Age?

By: treywhit

treywhit — Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:13:38 -0800

This is the opinion of the Vatican.

By: stbalbach

stbalbach — Sun, 16 Feb 2003 20:42:06 -0800

What is the Age of Aquarius.. At the rate of 1 degree every 7.5 years the equinoxes move through the Zodiac. Over the span of 2150 years the equinoxes move through one sign of the zodiac and over 25,820 years the equinoxes move through the entire zodiac and this is called a Great Year. Each 2100-year transit is called a Great Month or an Age. For the past 2000 years or so man has been in the Age of Pices and we have now entered the Age of Aquarius. The Age of Pices (0BC to 2000BC) according to astrologers is marked by the sign of the Fish which is also the sign of Christianity and during this age the world is under the influence of Christianity. Now we are no longer in the Age of Pices the Catholic church sees Astrology as a threat since it no longer believes Christianity is the dominat power in the world.

By: donkeyschlong

donkeyschlong — Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:07:28 -0800

Since when is Zen Buddhism New Age? seriously. doesn't buddhism predate christianity?

By: treywhit

treywhit — Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:29:44 -0800

Buddhism does predate Christianity. It's the Westernized-version of Buddhism (as well as yoga, feng shui, TM) that are more at issue with the Vatican and lumped into their New Age category.

By: qaam

qaam — Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:23:51 -0800

That is quite odd that the Vatican would call Buddhism "new age." As far as I remember from religion class, practice of Buddhism was started around 600 BC. This is roughly the same time that Jews were rocked by the destroying of their temple and also the same Hindu's collected some of their beliefs into written form. Christanity, of course, wasn't started for quite some time. Of course Zen Buddhism is something recent, but it's still founded on beliefs that go back far earlier than Christianity. I would hardly call these beliefs new.

By: zadcat

zadcat — Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:45:44 -0800

Zen Buddhism is not all that recent either. It grew from China's Ch'an tradition which had developed there in the 6th and 7th century AD. These Chinese ideas took root in Japan in the 12th and 13th century. Perhaps the Vatican wants to counter some of the vague ideas Westerners have had about Zen, but it's not like Christian ideas are immune from New Agey poaching (e.g. the current obsession with angels).

By: Pseudoephedrine

Pseudoephedrine — Sun, 16 Feb 2003 23:55:20 -0800

The "Zen Buddhism" the Vatican is going after is more "Zen and the Art of Poker" type stuff and less "Thich Nhat Hanh and pals", if only because the latter, demanding discipline and religiosity, isn't what most people are interested in.

By: X-00

X-00 — Mon, 17 Feb 2003 01:40:02 -0800

The Cultural background pretty much spells out that most of New Age "stuff", isn't new.

By: sfenders

sfenders — Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:40:17 -0800

The Vatican document does an admirable job of trying to taint every non-traditional spiritual practice they can think of with the "New Age" label. Not just Zen, but everything: Shamanism, Feng Shui, Sufism, Jung, Gaia, whatever. Of course, many New Ager's do try to practice many of those things at once, but they don't exclude Christianity or sometimes even Catholicism from their influences either. That doesn't make the Vatican a "New Age" institution. Anyway, I think Thich Nhat Hanh is exactly the kind of Buddhist they'd think of as New Age. Have you read any of his writings on Christianity? Exactly the sort of thing they go on about.

By: Lord Chancellor

Lord Chancellor — Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:13:37 -0800

After reading the document, I would say its fairly even handed, and its more of addressing inspirations for New Age thought than trying to define everything as New Age. In other words, both Christianity and Buddhism both are sources, but in and of themselves not New Age. It at one point even comes down that some New Age practices are as diametrically opposed to Buddhism as Christianity. More of combating the term Christian for someone who throws Christianity in a pot along with other beliefs, practices, and traditions than actually condemning. I say it was pretty well done.