After Surviving a High School Shooting...Now What?
October 23, 2022 8:05 PM Subscribe
Most American high school students fear it. Keegan Gregory lived it. Last November, he found himself face-to-face with a school shooter. This is the story of what happened next. [Sports Illustrated]
Fuck! Imagine dealing with this and having Alex Jones and his ghouls breathing down your necks
posted by mbo at 10:28 PM on October 23, 2022 [5 favorites]
posted by mbo at 10:28 PM on October 23, 2022 [5 favorites]
Heartbreaking.
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:46 PM on October 23, 2022 [2 favorites]
posted by jenfullmoon at 10:46 PM on October 23, 2022 [2 favorites]
Wow that is a tough read.
posted by Literaryhero at 12:02 AM on October 24, 2022 [2 favorites]
posted by Literaryhero at 12:02 AM on October 24, 2022 [2 favorites]
I'm about two paragraphs in and that might be about as far as I can get for the moment, for a couple of reasons.
First: he texted his mom.
I'm a mom of four kids, ages 15-28, and I have gotten a lot of "help me, mom" texts over the years. Just last night, my eldest texted me and we ended up on the phone for awhile because an old issue they deal with is cropping up and they were afraid it was going to cost them their relationship, and we talked it through. When we got off the phone, I had hug energy, and I asked my 15-year-old, the only one I live with, for a proxy hug because I couldn't hug their older sibling.
What the hell does a parent do with a "Help, there's a shooter" text? I mean, realistically, I know what you do: Call 911, text back that you love them, drive to the school. But Jesus.
Second: I have a fifteen year old. He's 5'2 and weights 110 pounds and he is a diver. When I read about Keegan Gregory being fifteen, 5'3", 105 pounds, three speedos in his backpack because he chose the swimsuit for his next diving practice so carefully and hadn't been able to make up his mind, it was like a punch in the chest. It always could have been my kid, right? But it felt so easy to slot my son into the space Keegan Gregory occupied. It was practically custom-made for him, right there.
My son had a diving meet at Oxford High School a couple of months ago. The shooting itself felt close to home, but going to the building? I didn't want to come that close to a place where children (my son would object to that term) were murdered. We all know it's like a horrible lottery: the odds of it happening at any given school are low, but it could be any school, any day. We just don't know. And there it was: not some school out there somewhere but a place where my son might have a diving meet.
Last week my son got to spend an unexpected day with his boyfriend because his boyfriend's school was closed due to a shooting threat. The kids are traumatized but also whistling past the graveyard: Being out of school for a shooting threat or a bomb threat, they tell me, is the new snow day.
I don't mean to make someone else's trauma about me and my kid, who have emphatically not lived through a school shooting. It's just, I guess, that as the years pass and more shootings happen, they feel more real, and more possible, all the time.
Thanks for sharing this, rihuro. I might not have seen it otherwise, and, even if I never get through the whole thing, I appreciate knowing Keegan Gregory and others are out there telling their stories. They should not have to be so brave.
posted by Well I never at 1:17 AM on October 24, 2022 [52 favorites]
First: he texted his mom.
I'm a mom of four kids, ages 15-28, and I have gotten a lot of "help me, mom" texts over the years. Just last night, my eldest texted me and we ended up on the phone for awhile because an old issue they deal with is cropping up and they were afraid it was going to cost them their relationship, and we talked it through. When we got off the phone, I had hug energy, and I asked my 15-year-old, the only one I live with, for a proxy hug because I couldn't hug their older sibling.
What the hell does a parent do with a "Help, there's a shooter" text? I mean, realistically, I know what you do: Call 911, text back that you love them, drive to the school. But Jesus.
Second: I have a fifteen year old. He's 5'2 and weights 110 pounds and he is a diver. When I read about Keegan Gregory being fifteen, 5'3", 105 pounds, three speedos in his backpack because he chose the swimsuit for his next diving practice so carefully and hadn't been able to make up his mind, it was like a punch in the chest. It always could have been my kid, right? But it felt so easy to slot my son into the space Keegan Gregory occupied. It was practically custom-made for him, right there.
My son had a diving meet at Oxford High School a couple of months ago. The shooting itself felt close to home, but going to the building? I didn't want to come that close to a place where children (my son would object to that term) were murdered. We all know it's like a horrible lottery: the odds of it happening at any given school are low, but it could be any school, any day. We just don't know. And there it was: not some school out there somewhere but a place where my son might have a diving meet.
Last week my son got to spend an unexpected day with his boyfriend because his boyfriend's school was closed due to a shooting threat. The kids are traumatized but also whistling past the graveyard: Being out of school for a shooting threat or a bomb threat, they tell me, is the new snow day.
I don't mean to make someone else's trauma about me and my kid, who have emphatically not lived through a school shooting. It's just, I guess, that as the years pass and more shootings happen, they feel more real, and more possible, all the time.
Thanks for sharing this, rihuro. I might not have seen it otherwise, and, even if I never get through the whole thing, I appreciate knowing Keegan Gregory and others are out there telling their stories. They should not have to be so brave.
posted by Well I never at 1:17 AM on October 24, 2022 [52 favorites]
Why has this been normalized? And why are the police and the school district lying? Not just in this case, the same is happening in other districts. It is so far beyond insane, and the article does a good job of explaining how it happens.
posted by mumimor at 2:16 AM on October 24, 2022 [12 favorites]
posted by mumimor at 2:16 AM on October 24, 2022 [12 favorites]
There needs to be more articles like this to reiterate that this should not be normal. This kind of trauma should not be normal.
I hope the fact that this article was posted in Sports Illustrated will mean that it will reach just a few more people who might have passed this story by.
Thank you for posting this.
posted by ishmael at 2:21 AM on October 24, 2022 [23 favorites]
I hope the fact that this article was posted in Sports Illustrated will mean that it will reach just a few more people who might have passed this story by.
Thank you for posting this.
posted by ishmael at 2:21 AM on October 24, 2022 [23 favorites]
That last line, man. Thanks for posting. This is a very strong piece. Besides its clarity, it makes such a good connection to sport for its readers.
I have a child in high school in Toronto. He’s been in lockdown at school a few times, all relatively benign incidents. We also had two teenagers come into my work a few weeks back, one with his hand in a backpack. My team was immediately on alert, and have needed to process some. (The teen did not pull out a weapon. It was a dare.) I am glad for the recent temporary freeze on handgun sales here in Canada. Gun violence is up. But there are still a lot of root causes to address.
posted by warriorqueen at 3:56 AM on October 24, 2022 [14 favorites]
I have a child in high school in Toronto. He’s been in lockdown at school a few times, all relatively benign incidents. We also had two teenagers come into my work a few weeks back, one with his hand in a backpack. My team was immediately on alert, and have needed to process some. (The teen did not pull out a weapon. It was a dare.) I am glad for the recent temporary freeze on handgun sales here in Canada. Gun violence is up. But there are still a lot of root causes to address.
posted by warriorqueen at 3:56 AM on October 24, 2022 [14 favorites]
And why are the police and the school district lying?
To the police, lying is like breathing. Anything to cover up how they really didn't try their hardest to help.
The school...fear of lawsuits, I suspect.
All of it is disgusting but the lying adds such a different layer of awfulness to it all.
posted by tiny frying pan at 6:04 AM on October 24, 2022 [11 favorites]
To the police, lying is like breathing. Anything to cover up how they really didn't try their hardest to help.
The school...fear of lawsuits, I suspect.
All of it is disgusting but the lying adds such a different layer of awfulness to it all.
posted by tiny frying pan at 6:04 AM on October 24, 2022 [11 favorites]
Holy shit, what a devastating but important story.
posted by LooseFilter at 7:04 AM on October 24, 2022 [1 favorite]
posted by LooseFilter at 7:04 AM on October 24, 2022 [1 favorite]
I was teaching about two blocks away when the 2017 UT Austin Gregory Gym campus stabbing happened. I remember trying to make decisions on the fly as rumors flew through Twitter; I remember calculating the odds of more violence, or moving violence; I remember trying to figure out whether guns were potentially involved and what kinds of violence. I remember calmly rattling through a series of "what will we do if" questions with both of my two sections--yes, I went to another building and I taught the second one; some of my students knew what was happening but some didn't. I stationed one student to watch Twitter and another to watch their phones and we kept the blinds drawn and talked over questions for the upcoming genetics final.
I remember (incorrectly) reassuring students that the photo of the stabbed victim standing meant probably he would be fine. I remember giving advice on safe ways for students to get home, or at least off campus to stay with friends that might be a little safer. (The stabbing had happened only another block or so near the dorms where many of my students lived.) I remember students asking me about accomplice shooters or other acts of violence that people thought might be copycats.
I remember getting to explain to my sections the next morning why we were continuing to teach through the last few weeks of class as normal, not taking time to grieve or breathe in the wake of the incident. I remember trying to justify the unjustifiable, trying to explain how little their professors and administration knew about what to do next. I remember looking at the "campus therapy dogs" deployed with a certain cynical anger: of course, self care is something you do on off time, in between your normal duties, as work continues unabated.
The next day my spouse got held up at gunpoint in an unrelated incident at their work. (I shit you not. I was sharp when they called as I was wrapping up teaching my second section, and you can imagine what an asshole I felt like when I picked up the phone.) I remember we went to an Ethiopian place near the class and laughed in shock and grief that day.
I think it was a week later that the state Legislature legalized open carry for knives of any size, and I knew they would celebrate if more if my community died. I have never forgotten. I don't think I ever will.
posted by sciatrix at 7:13 AM on October 24, 2022 [31 favorites]
I remember (incorrectly) reassuring students that the photo of the stabbed victim standing meant probably he would be fine. I remember giving advice on safe ways for students to get home, or at least off campus to stay with friends that might be a little safer. (The stabbing had happened only another block or so near the dorms where many of my students lived.) I remember students asking me about accomplice shooters or other acts of violence that people thought might be copycats.
I remember getting to explain to my sections the next morning why we were continuing to teach through the last few weeks of class as normal, not taking time to grieve or breathe in the wake of the incident. I remember trying to justify the unjustifiable, trying to explain how little their professors and administration knew about what to do next. I remember looking at the "campus therapy dogs" deployed with a certain cynical anger: of course, self care is something you do on off time, in between your normal duties, as work continues unabated.
The next day my spouse got held up at gunpoint in an unrelated incident at their work. (I shit you not. I was sharp when they called as I was wrapping up teaching my second section, and you can imagine what an asshole I felt like when I picked up the phone.) I remember we went to an Ethiopian place near the class and laughed in shock and grief that day.
I think it was a week later that the state Legislature legalized open carry for knives of any size, and I knew they would celebrate if more if my community died. I have never forgotten. I don't think I ever will.
posted by sciatrix at 7:13 AM on October 24, 2022 [31 favorites]
If you've come in to the comments to talk about this, please go back and read it first. This isn't a scold; it's just that this is an amazingly powerful story and you should not waste any more time before reading it. And then sharing it with everyone you know.
to put on my former journalist cap again -- I spent seven months of my life working on a project on gun trafficking and violence. That was 20-odd years ago and ever since, I've followed the issue closely, reading studies and data-driven analyses and the reporting of my journo brethren. And this is the best-reported, most compelling piece I've ever read.
I wish we could take those quislings in Congress, strap 'em down Clockwork Orange style and make them read this. Over and over until it sticks.
posted by martin q blank at 7:20 AM on October 24, 2022 [16 favorites]
to put on my former journalist cap again -- I spent seven months of my life working on a project on gun trafficking and violence. That was 20-odd years ago and ever since, I've followed the issue closely, reading studies and data-driven analyses and the reporting of my journo brethren. And this is the best-reported, most compelling piece I've ever read.
I wish we could take those quislings in Congress, strap 'em down Clockwork Orange style and make them read this. Over and over until it sticks.
posted by martin q blank at 7:20 AM on October 24, 2022 [16 favorites]
I wish we could take those quislings in Congress, strap 'em down Clockwork Orange style and make them read this. Over and over until it sticks.
They'd have to fundamentally contain the ability to care about another human being for that to happen, and I am no longer convinced that most of them do.
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 7:35 AM on October 24, 2022 [7 favorites]
They'd have to fundamentally contain the ability to care about another human being for that to happen, and I am no longer convinced that most of them do.
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 7:35 AM on October 24, 2022 [7 favorites]
And today there is a new shooting, in Missouri. Will it never end?
posted by mumimor at 8:45 AM on October 24, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by mumimor at 8:45 AM on October 24, 2022 [3 favorites]
This looks well written and timely... but I confess that I couldn't get past "...dying on the floor..."
Sorry, not today.
posted by dfm500 at 9:11 AM on October 24, 2022
Sorry, not today.
posted by dfm500 at 9:11 AM on October 24, 2022
. . . . -- the four kids seem forgotten in the response of the powers that be.
posted by k3ninho at 9:14 AM on October 24, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by k3ninho at 9:14 AM on October 24, 2022 [3 favorites]
This looks well written and timely... but I confess that I couldn't get past "...dying on the floor..."
Totally understand dfm500, but trust me, this article is definitely worth finishing. And worth sharing.
posted by ishmael at 9:28 AM on October 24, 2022 [3 favorites]
Totally understand dfm500, but trust me, this article is definitely worth finishing. And worth sharing.
posted by ishmael at 9:28 AM on October 24, 2022 [3 favorites]
Why has this been normalized?
Because there is nothing someone not in high levels of power can do, and those in power would rather we have access to assault rifles and just ask people to submit DNA kits to prove it's their child's corpse (WaPo link).
Normalization happens when there's nothing average people can do and those in power don't wanna (also see Covid).
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R), who is running for reelection this year, has refused to even entertain the idea of trying to do something about the availability of weapons of war that did such unspeakable damage.
And he gets away with it and will probably win in a landslide.
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:56 AM on October 24, 2022 [5 favorites]
Because there is nothing someone not in high levels of power can do, and those in power would rather we have access to assault rifles and just ask people to submit DNA kits to prove it's their child's corpse (WaPo link).
Normalization happens when there's nothing average people can do and those in power don't wanna (also see Covid).
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott (R), who is running for reelection this year, has refused to even entertain the idea of trying to do something about the availability of weapons of war that did such unspeakable damage.
And he gets away with it and will probably win in a landslide.
posted by jenfullmoon at 9:56 AM on October 24, 2022 [5 favorites]
Why has this been normalized?
Because we're broken.
Throughout the course of the pandemic I have seen so many instances of people on social media announcing the tragic, sudden, shocking deaths of loved ones...only to post a couple hours later about some bullshit right-wing bugaboo.
A lot, a lot, a lot of people out there are sick, twisted, wrecked, nihilistic, devoid. They do not any longer "love" other humans in the sense we knew the word, the sense in which a powerful need to protect and care for someone takes over all other small, meaningless shit.
I don't point fingers only outward either; I see it creeping in around the edges in myself, too -- I still found myself tearing up at this article, but I have hardened myself against the suffering and my helplessness just to get through my days. Did we have to do this? Did we have to close ourselves off from emotion because otherwise the sheer knowledge of a whole world's suffering would crush us alive? Maybe. But we did it, and we're worse for it.
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 10:12 AM on October 24, 2022 [7 favorites]
Because we're broken.
Throughout the course of the pandemic I have seen so many instances of people on social media announcing the tragic, sudden, shocking deaths of loved ones...only to post a couple hours later about some bullshit right-wing bugaboo.
A lot, a lot, a lot of people out there are sick, twisted, wrecked, nihilistic, devoid. They do not any longer "love" other humans in the sense we knew the word, the sense in which a powerful need to protect and care for someone takes over all other small, meaningless shit.
I don't point fingers only outward either; I see it creeping in around the edges in myself, too -- I still found myself tearing up at this article, but I have hardened myself against the suffering and my helplessness just to get through my days. Did we have to do this? Did we have to close ourselves off from emotion because otherwise the sheer knowledge of a whole world's suffering would crush us alive? Maybe. But we did it, and we're worse for it.
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 10:12 AM on October 24, 2022 [7 favorites]
The assailant in this case just pled guilty to all charges.
posted by MrVisible at 10:14 AM on October 24, 2022 [6 favorites]
posted by MrVisible at 10:14 AM on October 24, 2022 [6 favorites]
I didn’t cry until I saw the picture of the matching tattoos.
posted by 41swans at 10:57 AM on October 24, 2022 [3 favorites]
posted by 41swans at 10:57 AM on October 24, 2022 [3 favorites]
41swans -- me, too!
My youngest child is a freshman this year. The others are already at college or done.
We live in the 'burbs about half a mile from a "sportsman's club," so there is the sound of gunfire literally all day, seven days a week. It didn't bother me when we bought the house a dozen years ago, but now I grimace every time I hear it.
So
many
guns.
posted by wenestvedt at 11:03 AM on October 24, 2022 [8 favorites]
My youngest child is a freshman this year. The others are already at college or done.
We live in the 'burbs about half a mile from a "sportsman's club," so there is the sound of gunfire literally all day, seven days a week. It didn't bother me when we bought the house a dozen years ago, but now I grimace every time I hear it.
So
many
guns.
posted by wenestvedt at 11:03 AM on October 24, 2022 [8 favorites]
The article briefly touches on the issue of false alarms. A small horror that lives in the shadow of all of this.
posted by zenon at 12:16 PM on October 24, 2022 [4 favorites]
posted by zenon at 12:16 PM on October 24, 2022 [4 favorites]
Jesus Christ.
The right wingers are right that it's not just the guns. After all, I remember a time when it was perfectly normal for kids to bring guns to school and nobody was committing mass murder at schools. There are clearly social issues at play also. Maybe the copycat effect, maybe are being egged ok by people on the Internet, maybe all of the above and more.
However, the guns are a necessary precondition to this bullshit and we seem entirely unable or unwilling to do anything about the social aspect, so I'm all for severely restricting the availability of guns, at least for a good long while.
Problem is that so many people see guns as some necessary totem of protection. Just yesterday someone was asking on Reddit whether it was safe to walk across Downtown Miami at 10PM on a weeknight. At least 10% of the responses urged the person to carry a gun just in case. Never mind that it's as safe or safer than being out on the street in the suburbs. You say "maybe we should have fewer guns" and they hear "I would like you to be robbed, raped, and murdered". It's maddening. (And just plain mad)
posted by wierdo at 12:28 PM on October 24, 2022 [9 favorites]
The right wingers are right that it's not just the guns. After all, I remember a time when it was perfectly normal for kids to bring guns to school and nobody was committing mass murder at schools. There are clearly social issues at play also. Maybe the copycat effect, maybe are being egged ok by people on the Internet, maybe all of the above and more.
However, the guns are a necessary precondition to this bullshit and we seem entirely unable or unwilling to do anything about the social aspect, so I'm all for severely restricting the availability of guns, at least for a good long while.
Problem is that so many people see guns as some necessary totem of protection. Just yesterday someone was asking on Reddit whether it was safe to walk across Downtown Miami at 10PM on a weeknight. At least 10% of the responses urged the person to carry a gun just in case. Never mind that it's as safe or safer than being out on the street in the suburbs. You say "maybe we should have fewer guns" and they hear "I would like you to be robbed, raped, and murdered". It's maddening. (And just plain mad)
posted by wierdo at 12:28 PM on October 24, 2022 [9 favorites]
Well I never: I don't mean to make someone else's trauma about me and my kid, who have emphatically not lived through a school shooting.
Except that it is about us and our kids now.
Our kids who practice active shooter drills and surprise lock-downs and genuine social media bomb threats (happened at my kid's school just last week) and endless news stories about gun violence that never moves the needle.
And we parents, who live with knowing that a significant fraction of our fellow adults are satisfied with this arrangement, and feel that everyone's safety & peace of mind is a fair sacrifice for their personal desire to own guns -- and that we can't do a damn thing to change it.
Those assholes get to decide how we live -- which is to say "in a decidedly poorer fashion, given the constant, low-level dread" -- and that just isn't fair.
posted by wenestvedt at 12:33 PM on October 24, 2022 [5 favorites]
Except that it is about us and our kids now.
Our kids who practice active shooter drills and surprise lock-downs and genuine social media bomb threats (happened at my kid's school just last week) and endless news stories about gun violence that never moves the needle.
And we parents, who live with knowing that a significant fraction of our fellow adults are satisfied with this arrangement, and feel that everyone's safety & peace of mind is a fair sacrifice for their personal desire to own guns -- and that we can't do a damn thing to change it.
Those assholes get to decide how we live -- which is to say "in a decidedly poorer fashion, given the constant, low-level dread" -- and that just isn't fair.
posted by wenestvedt at 12:33 PM on October 24, 2022 [5 favorites]
After all, I remember a time when it was perfectly normal for kids to bring guns to school and nobody was committing mass murder at schools
When I was in high school in the 80s, one of my friends raffled off a hunting rifle as a fundraiser for her upcoming tour with Up With People. It seemed...perfectly normal.
posted by Well I never at 12:49 PM on October 24, 2022 [2 favorites]
When I was in high school in the 80s, one of my friends raffled off a hunting rifle as a fundraiser for her upcoming tour with Up With People. It seemed...perfectly normal.
posted by Well I never at 12:49 PM on October 24, 2022 [2 favorites]
I regret my previous comment. It's not egregious but it's an unnecessary anecdote that distract's from weirdo's point. Sorry.
posted by Well I never at 1:07 PM on October 24, 2022
posted by Well I never at 1:07 PM on October 24, 2022
An American Girl
"At 10, Caitlyne Gonzales survived Uvalde’s school shooting. Then she became a voice for her slain friends. "
These poor wounded children. Truly, this is our nation's chief failing and dishonor.
posted by madamjujujive at 1:14 PM on October 24, 2022 [10 favorites]
"At 10, Caitlyne Gonzales survived Uvalde’s school shooting. Then she became a voice for her slain friends. "
These poor wounded children. Truly, this is our nation's chief failing and dishonor.
posted by madamjujujive at 1:14 PM on October 24, 2022 [10 favorites]
Truly, this is our nation's chief failing and dishonor.
Top in an extremely crowded field!
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 1:39 PM on October 24, 2022 [4 favorites]
Top in an extremely crowded field!
posted by We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese at 1:39 PM on October 24, 2022 [4 favorites]
Today there was a shooting at a magnet school in STL that several close friends' children attend. They're all ok, but pretty traumatized...
posted by schyler523 at 1:48 PM on October 24, 2022 [2 favorites]
posted by schyler523 at 1:48 PM on October 24, 2022 [2 favorites]
The story is indeed harrowing (as it should be), but the ending really is especially moving.
But the actions of the cops…. Can we ever trust what they say in these situations?
posted by TedW at 2:19 PM on October 24, 2022 [2 favorites]
But the actions of the cops…. Can we ever trust what they say in these situations?
posted by TedW at 2:19 PM on October 24, 2022 [2 favorites]
No.
posted by zenzenobia at 3:21 PM on October 24, 2022 [8 favorites]
posted by zenzenobia at 3:21 PM on October 24, 2022 [8 favorites]
The AP story linked by MrVisible above contains the school board/police line that officers immediately entered and stopped the shooter. This is explicitly contradicted by the original linked article.
Ethan Crumbley had brought a 9mm Sig Sauer handgun and 50 rounds of ammunition to school in his backpack that day. He went into a bathroom, pulled out the weapon and began shooting. Within minutes, deputies rushed in and he surrendered without resistance.
A day earlier, a teacher had seen Ethan Crumbley searching for ammunition on his phone. The school contacted Jennifer Crumbley, who told her son in a text message: “Lol. I’m not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught,” the prosecutor’s office said.
Sheriff Michael Bouchard told reporters Monday that Ethan Crumbley still had 18 rounds of ammunition when he was arrested.
“It’s my belief he would have fired every one of those had he not been interrupted by deputies going immediately in,” said Bouchard who also called Ethan Crumbley “a twisted and evil person.”
posted by Warren Terra at 11:27 PM on October 24, 2022 [1 favorite]
Ethan Crumbley had brought a 9mm Sig Sauer handgun and 50 rounds of ammunition to school in his backpack that day. He went into a bathroom, pulled out the weapon and began shooting. Within minutes, deputies rushed in and he surrendered without resistance.
A day earlier, a teacher had seen Ethan Crumbley searching for ammunition on his phone. The school contacted Jennifer Crumbley, who told her son in a text message: “Lol. I’m not mad at you. You have to learn not to get caught,” the prosecutor’s office said.
Sheriff Michael Bouchard told reporters Monday that Ethan Crumbley still had 18 rounds of ammunition when he was arrested.
“It’s my belief he would have fired every one of those had he not been interrupted by deputies going immediately in,” said Bouchard who also called Ethan Crumbley “a twisted and evil person.”
posted by Warren Terra at 11:27 PM on October 24, 2022 [1 favorite]
Reading this article as a European my first reaction was that gun culture has broken the USA in a fundamental way.
What a way to treat your kids...
posted by Pendragon at 1:40 AM on October 25, 2022 [4 favorites]
What a way to treat your kids...
posted by Pendragon at 1:40 AM on October 25, 2022 [4 favorites]
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It will never be.
posted by Big Al 8000 at 9:58 PM on October 23, 2022 [10 favorites]