Bush: Health Bad, God's laws better
May 4, 2004 12:32 PM Subscribe
Updating this thread on RU-486 or the "morning after pill," it seems that Bush, the FDA and Republicans favor ideology over the health of women. I hear Iran is nice this time of year for those who favor religious dogma over the health over citizens/subjects.
This post was deleted for the following reason: link doesn't actually refer to ru-486
Good thing this wasn't posted in an inflammatory way, otherwise it might have turned ugly.
posted by fvw at 12:45 PM on May 4, 2004
posted by fvw at 12:45 PM on May 4, 2004
*quietly packs BagMan back in his Bag and throws it in the river*
posted by wendell at 12:48 PM on May 4, 2004
posted by wendell at 12:48 PM on May 4, 2004
What on earth does this have to do with RU-486?
One more time: RU-486 and hormonal emergency contraceptives are *NOT THE SAME THING*
posted by antimony at 1:03 PM on May 4, 2004
One more time: RU-486 and hormonal emergency contraceptives are *NOT THE SAME THING*
posted by antimony at 1:03 PM on May 4, 2004
antimony - you beat me to it. And it's not just a matter of pedantry... anti-abortion types are deliberately trying to confuse the two.
posted by Turd Furguson at 1:17 PM on May 4, 2004
posted by Turd Furguson at 1:17 PM on May 4, 2004
Speaking of Iran, here's a webcam for Tehran. Looks like it's about 63 degrees currently.
LINK
posted by chaz at 1:45 PM on May 4, 2004
LINK
posted by chaz at 1:45 PM on May 4, 2004
And here I was afraid Metafilter would turn into just another left wing anti-bush bashfest till November.
I should have had more faith.
posted by soulhuntre at 1:58 PM on May 4, 2004
I should have had more faith.
posted by soulhuntre at 1:58 PM on May 4, 2004
If we've learned anything, it's that you don't need facts when you've got faith.
posted by ColdChef at 2:01 PM on May 4, 2004
posted by ColdChef at 2:01 PM on May 4, 2004
Gimme an A! Gimme a G! Gimme an E! Gimme an N! Gimme a D! Gimme an A!
What does it spell? I think you know.
posted by reklaw at 2:05 PM on May 4, 2004
What does it spell? I think you know.
posted by reklaw at 2:05 PM on May 4, 2004
Well, at least the first linked article was good for a laugh: the Concerned Women of America spokesperson claims to be worried that emergency contraception will be "slipped to women without their knowledge"! Hee hee.
Oh, and the American College of Obestetricians and Gynecologists of relies on "junk science." Yeah, doctors are notorious for that... much more so than anti-abortion activists. It is worth noting, however, that if you rearrange the letters in ACOG's name, you can spell "Laconic, goofy medics stare at obscene genitals on girl." Perhaps CWA is onto something after all...
posted by purplemonkie at 2:06 PM on May 4, 2004
Oh, and the American College of Obestetricians and Gynecologists of relies on "junk science." Yeah, doctors are notorious for that... much more so than anti-abortion activists. It is worth noting, however, that if you rearrange the letters in ACOG's name, you can spell "Laconic, goofy medics stare at obscene genitals on girl." Perhaps CWA is onto something after all...
posted by purplemonkie at 2:06 PM on May 4, 2004
you don't need facts when you've got faith
Who needs either when you have link upon glorious link?
posted by loquax at 2:06 PM on May 4, 2004
Who needs either when you have link upon glorious link?
posted by loquax at 2:06 PM on May 4, 2004
Bag Man's posting history reads like the DNC weblog. :-)
posted by oissubke at 2:55 PM on May 4, 2004
posted by oissubke at 2:55 PM on May 4, 2004
this is a crap thread. anyone want to laugh at some trailer trash instead?
posted by andrew cooke at 3:26 PM on May 4, 2004
posted by andrew cooke at 3:26 PM on May 4, 2004
The Impact of Legalized Abortion on Crime.
Culling the herd.
posted by kablam at 3:44 PM on May 4, 2004
Culling the herd.
posted by kablam at 3:44 PM on May 4, 2004
RU-486 is not the same as Plan B.
RU-486 (95.5% in the first 7 weeks) is far more effective than Plan B (manufacturer claims of 89% in the first three days, health clinics claim of approximately 70%, but do vary). RU-486, if effective, causes the woman to stop being pregnant in the first 9 weeks, though the effectiveness drops in the last two weeks. Plan B will prevent a woman from becoming pregnant in the first three days since the incident, but has a significantly higher chance of working closer to the incident.
RU-486 is nearly as costly and as surgical procedures, but this varies greatly. Plan B can be received for free or next to no cost from many family planning agencies. The side effects of RU-486 are like a surgical abortion and runs the risk of a partial abortion and personal injury. Plan B is much more like menstrual cramps, though you will find doctors asking about your mental health (namely depression) before it is given to you. It is known to increase your odds of becoming depressed for a period of time if you have a tendency to be depressed.
posted by sequential at 3:58 PM on May 4, 2004
RU-486 (95.5% in the first 7 weeks) is far more effective than Plan B (manufacturer claims of 89% in the first three days, health clinics claim of approximately 70%, but do vary). RU-486, if effective, causes the woman to stop being pregnant in the first 9 weeks, though the effectiveness drops in the last two weeks. Plan B will prevent a woman from becoming pregnant in the first three days since the incident, but has a significantly higher chance of working closer to the incident.
RU-486 is nearly as costly and as surgical procedures, but this varies greatly. Plan B can be received for free or next to no cost from many family planning agencies. The side effects of RU-486 are like a surgical abortion and runs the risk of a partial abortion and personal injury. Plan B is much more like menstrual cramps, though you will find doctors asking about your mental health (namely depression) before it is given to you. It is known to increase your odds of becoming depressed for a period of time if you have a tendency to be depressed.
posted by sequential at 3:58 PM on May 4, 2004
Bag Man's posting history reads like the DNC weblog. :-)
I will not apologize for opinions and the fact that I express then. oissubke, if you have a problem with than f*ck off.
oissubke, if you had checked my many, many comments you might be singing a different tune, but I don't expect much from those who insult people with fact I champion what's best for my country.
Now that you have gottan person you can go f*uck yourself and your goddam f*cking sh*t head views...eat sh*t and die!!!!!
posted by Bag Man at 4:00 PM on May 4, 2004
I will not apologize for opinions and the fact that I express then. oissubke, if you have a problem with than f*ck off.
oissubke, if you had checked my many, many comments you might be singing a different tune, but I don't expect much from those who insult people with fact I champion what's best for my country.
Now that you have gottan person you can go f*uck yourself and your goddam f*cking sh*t head views...eat sh*t and die!!!!!
posted by Bag Man at 4:00 PM on May 4, 2004
I made a f*cking mistake, you all go to hell. Like you've never made a mistake. And another f*ck you to all those who choose personal insults based on my views rather than debating the issue. GO TO HELL AND BURN LIKE THE SH*TS YOU ARE.
posted by Bag Man at 4:12 PM on May 4, 2004
posted by Bag Man at 4:12 PM on May 4, 2004
Prime reading for the Sh*t head oissubke...Some DNC line up...Got tons more non-"DNC weblong" commnets too if Sh*t head oissubke cares about facts.
And f*ck you all.
posted by Bag Man at 4:25 PM on May 4, 2004
And f*ck you all.
posted by Bag Man at 4:25 PM on May 4, 2004
The 2nd string whiners are out in full force today.
posted by Space Coyote at 4:25 PM on May 4, 2004
posted by Space Coyote at 4:25 PM on May 4, 2004
Sequential:
Good call on the differences, statistics-wise, but the diference is bigger than that, even...
Plan-B is a contraceptive. It *prevents* pregnancy if taken before conception occurs, but it does not end a pregnancy that has already happened.
RU-486 is an abortifacient. It ends a pregnancy after conception has already occured.
The two often get lumped together, though I don't see why people who are against abortion would be against access to a contraceptive that could substantially reduce the need for abortion in the first place.
posted by antimony at 4:25 PM on May 4, 2004
Good call on the differences, statistics-wise, but the diference is bigger than that, even...
Plan-B is a contraceptive. It *prevents* pregnancy if taken before conception occurs, but it does not end a pregnancy that has already happened.
RU-486 is an abortifacient. It ends a pregnancy after conception has already occured.
The two often get lumped together, though I don't see why people who are against abortion would be against access to a contraceptive that could substantially reduce the need for abortion in the first place.
posted by antimony at 4:25 PM on May 4, 2004
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posted by Bag Man at 12:36 PM on May 4, 2004