Frank Zappa on CNN's
August 24, 2006 9:36 PM Subscribe
Frank Zappa on CNN's "Crossfire" (1986, YouTube, 21 minutes)
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2004 called ... it wants its 1986 references back.
posted by angrycandy at 9:48 PM on August 24, 2006
posted by angrycandy at 9:48 PM on August 24, 2006
Zappa Zappa Zappa!
posted by redsparkler at 9:49 PM on August 24, 2006
posted by redsparkler at 9:49 PM on August 24, 2006
Gah. Thanks, jimmythefish. The double police are neccessary. I looked but did not find. My bad. Sorry Matt and jessamyn.
posted by persona non grata at 9:57 PM on August 24, 2006
posted by persona non grata at 9:57 PM on August 24, 2006
That's a classic, but I think I have seen it 1986 times since 1986! It's almost as though Zappa is dead and isn't making any more tv appearances. Odd!
posted by newfers at 10:07 PM on August 24, 2006
posted by newfers at 10:07 PM on August 24, 2006
Yeah, but I am a fresh impatient idiot. There's a MeFi poster born every minute....
posted by persona non grata at 10:15 PM on August 24, 2006
posted by persona non grata at 10:15 PM on August 24, 2006
It's worth another watch. I was just looking at it the other day...and the sniveling Washington Times columnist John Lofton looks like he's going to implode with vitriol. I guess nobody told him that Frank Zappa was, like, a genius.
It reminded me of that reporter who tried to skewer John Lennon during his bed-in in Amsterdam.
posted by jimmythefish at 10:17 PM on August 24, 2006
It reminded me of that reporter who tried to skewer John Lennon during his bed-in in Amsterdam.
posted by jimmythefish at 10:17 PM on August 24, 2006
What was the deal with that idiot trying to debate Zappa? I mean, the guy was a real piece of work.
posted by geekhorde at 10:28 PM on August 24, 2006
posted by geekhorde at 10:28 PM on August 24, 2006
Zappa was a genius, a true original, and one prolific motherfucker, as well! It's a shame he's not around anymore, as I'd love to hear his take on world affairs in '06.
posted by newfers at 10:34 PM on August 24, 2006
posted by newfers at 10:34 PM on August 24, 2006
posted by delmoiWow, the debate there is so... quaint.
Is it, though? Zappa got laughed off by those commentators for suggesting that the US was headed toward a fascist theocracy (in 1986!) just like people get laughed off today for saying the US is headed toward a fascist theocracy. 2006, people are still laughing at the idea, only today we're a whole lot closer.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 10:36 PM on August 24, 2006
Is it, though? Zappa got laughed off by those commentators for suggesting that the US was headed toward a fascist theocracy (in 1986!) just like people get laughed off today for saying the US is headed toward a fascist theocracy. 2006, people are still laughing at the idea, only today we're a whole lot closer.
posted by flapjax at midnite at 10:36 PM on August 24, 2006
I missed it the first time around - great to catch it. Sadly, Zappa's contention of the developing Fascist theocracy was quite prescient.
Would that Frank were still with us. Lofton, I suspect, we could do without.
posted by aladfar at 10:38 PM on August 24, 2006
Would that Frank were still with us. Lofton, I suspect, we could do without.
posted by aladfar at 10:38 PM on August 24, 2006
FZ was a genius and my personal hero since I was a teenager in the 60's. Yes, he was dead on about America heading toward fascist theocracy. They laughed at him then (the ones who even knew who he was, that is) but I suspect there are fewer laughing at the concept now--not that that will stop the march toward Fighting Jesus for President 2012.
posted by Cranky Media Guy at 1:02 AM on August 25, 2006
posted by Cranky Media Guy at 1:02 AM on August 25, 2006
I think Frank probably had some great points, but I was unable to see for all the damn strawmen propped up in front of him.
posted by sourwookie at 1:16 AM on August 25, 2006
posted by sourwookie at 1:16 AM on August 25, 2006
You know who else used words?
(argument cribbed directly from the video. I shatteth thee nott)
posted by sourwookie at 1:27 AM on August 25, 2006
(argument cribbed directly from the video. I shatteth thee nott)
posted by sourwookie at 1:27 AM on August 25, 2006
I found this great video of Jon Stewart on CNN, shall I post it?
posted by tapeguy at 1:33 AM on August 25, 2006
posted by tapeguy at 1:33 AM on August 25, 2006
tapeguy- wait 'til Jon Stewart's been dead. Then sure, post teh double.
posted by rxrfrx at 4:01 AM on August 25, 2006
posted by rxrfrx at 4:01 AM on August 25, 2006
Yeah, Zappa was quite the crank what with proposing downloadable music (1990) and stating that the U.S. would never win a protacted war in Iraq (1991). What a fucking nutcase.
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 4:49 AM on August 25, 2006
posted by KevinSkomsvold at 4:49 AM on August 25, 2006
I doubt the frothing, insult-spewing Lofton chap would scorn the notion of a facist theocracy these days, in fact he is an absolute advocate for the notion. The mission statement of The American View, a convervative Christian political website (for which he is a prominently featured correspondant) contains a biblical quote advocating the union of Church and State, and he goes to far as to say:
To those who will accuse of us of desiring and trying to bring about “a Christian America,” we unashamedly plead guilty though the accusation is far too modest and somewhat muddled. To be sure, we desire a Christian America, and a Christian world, a Christian galaxy and a Christian universe.
This guy Lofton comes across to me as an angry, rapid little man full of fear and loathing in 1986, and his venomous intolerance seems only to have increased in the intervening 20 years in direct proportion to his hysterical and insidious lack of implementation of some of the basic tenents of modern Christianity, (among which are love and forgiveness).
posted by Hypnerotomachia at 5:42 AM on August 25, 2006
To those who will accuse of us of desiring and trying to bring about “a Christian America,” we unashamedly plead guilty though the accusation is far too modest and somewhat muddled. To be sure, we desire a Christian America, and a Christian world, a Christian galaxy and a Christian universe.
This guy Lofton comes across to me as an angry, rapid little man full of fear and loathing in 1986, and his venomous intolerance seems only to have increased in the intervening 20 years in direct proportion to his hysterical and insidious lack of implementation of some of the basic tenents of modern Christianity, (among which are love and forgiveness).
posted by Hypnerotomachia at 5:42 AM on August 25, 2006
Novak is a piece of work. His opening statement to Zappa goes like this, "Let me misrepresent your point of view in a sneaky sort of way to get you to agree to it." All with a smile.
posted by peeedro at 5:49 AM on August 25, 2006
posted by peeedro at 5:49 AM on August 25, 2006
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